FANTASTIC FOUR By Waid & Wieringo: A Family Reforged
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- A discussion of Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo's Fantastic Four run from issues 60 through 524 spanning 2002 through 2005, covering the origin of their run, the issues they had behind the scenes with Bill Jemas, and the stories that took them from Hell and into Heaven as a family reformed and reforged by love.
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An artist that was simply born to draw these characters. There’s no other way to put it. Wieringo was gone to soon.
Ringo's name is not mentioned enough when talking about great runs with Fantastic Four and Spider-Man. He had such a defining look on both books.
Totally disagree. His art is what keeps the run from the GOATs.
@@miguelbranquinho7235 bad! Bad opinion!
@@BoyNamedSue4 Good? Good opinion? I think his style is way too rubery and plastic, I can't believe in the characters and the action.
This run is something I would just give to a person to read as the first comic book run. Mike Wieringo’s art just screams comic book and I know it doesn’t make sense but it just does and I love it.
One of my absolute favourite runs from one of my favourite creative teams, all about one of my favourite superhero teams. So thrilled you've covered this!
Thanks, Owen!
There is no Marvel without the Fantastic Four. For my money, they’re the greatest comic characters of all time
They're definitely my favorite Marvel superhero team/family.
I agree. Without the FF, the Marvel Universe probably wouldn't exist.
And Doom is the greatest villain….
@@chriscueva1866 Hell Yess your damn right
I read this run, I enjoyed it but I still say the greatest comic characters are Superman and Spider-man.
They're my favorite Marvel team and up there with the TMNT and the Teen Titans as my favorite comic teams of all time
Wouldn’t you know it: Waid made Reed my favorite.
I love this run. Authoritative Action and Hereafter are some of my favorite comics ever. Thanks for covering it.
This was the run that made me care about the FF. I would love to see a video on Dwayne Mcduffie's FF run, it's so underrated.
Waid's Flash, Captain America, and Fantastic Four are all in my top ten favorite comic runs.
This is easily one of the greatest FF runs of all-time, Waid just gets what makes superhero ticks, and Wieringo’s art is as fantastic as it always is.
Finallyyy!!! Someone's covering more Fantastic Four 💙 I haven't read this run for 2 yrs now (I think) but that scene when Kirby was revealed as God always blew my halfwit brain. That was one of, if not the most wholesome, tribute ever. It's also clever and natural considering the logic of comics. Thank you for thisss!!!
If you’re an ff can you should watch “we are the fantastic four” retrospective. It’s so well made and 2 hours kind
This is the ONLY Fantastic Four run that made me care about the team and finally “get” their central concept. I love the way that Mark matured Johnny and better examines his brotherly relationship with Ben. Without a doubt, Ben is the heart of the team here. My favorite storyline is “Tag”, where they have to get their powers back, and the end scene between Reed and Ben is definition of friendship.
The overall problem with Susan is that she doesn’t have individual career outside of being a mom and a member of the team. Reed is a scientist, Ben is a pilot, Johnny is A mechanic, but Sue has no title to call her own. It’s always held her back She needs a significant career to breathe new life into her, especially now that Franklin and Valeria have been aged up in Dan Slott’s run.
Sue is an actress and a diplomat by practise
@@DavidSilva-mn4dz is that in the regular 616 continuity?
@@Dhampir101980 yes
@@Dhampir101980 she used to pay the bills for her and Johnny playing minor roles in tv, theatre and modeling in magazines, she used to have a room full of wigs. She also became ambassador of humanity to the seven kingdoms of the sea in the Hickman run. And she is hella smart, she loves, understand Reed and is able to have complex and day to day conversations with him.
@@DavidSilva-mn4dz oh okay. I haven’t read the Hickman run, but I know that he made her a diplomat, but not an actress. That doesn’t seem to fit her though, at least in my mind. It’s seems too much like Mary Jane. I would make her a medical doctor, like her dad. Plus, that skill set would come in handy for the team and just within the family in general. A different kind of intelligence from Reed. The comics should emphasize her life outside the team more often. Every time we see her, she’s always just taking care of the kids when not on adventures
You should do more videos on every era (run) of the Fantastic Four. For example:
1. Stan Lee & Jack Kirby: The Beginning of a New Era (1961-1970)
2. Roy Thomas and George Perez (1975-1977)
3. Marv Wolfman and John Byrne with Bill Mantlo (1979-1980)
4. John Byrne (1980-1986)
5. Walt Simonson, Rich Buckler, Ron Lim, and Art Adams (1989-1991)
6. Dwayne McDuffie, Mike Mckone & Paul Pelletier (2007-2008)
7. Mark Millar, Bryan Hitch & Stuart Immomen (2008-2009)
8. Jonathan Hickman, Dave Eaglesham, Nick Dragota & Steve Epting: The Future Foundation Era (2009-2013)
You want a comprehensive ff video?
ruclips.net/video/h1OwoZZyhSo/видео.html
I remember a time where I didn't get the hype behind the FF. But in their 2 year absence, I got curious and since I was familiar with Waid, I decide to read the first issue of the Waid/Wieringo run. In just one issue I finally understood, and I've been a fan ever since.
One of the best runs of the Fantastic Four that went well with the movie, that came out at that era. When the MCU bring back this team , I think they’er going to build them up slowly because of the miss management of the last one. But this was one of the best run of this famous family of Marvel. If it wasn’t for the "FF" we would see the beginning of the Black Panther, Dr.Doom, Galactus, and Sliver Surfer , thank to the first family. I think Marvel is going to give them more substance in the MCU.
God I love the FF, I really hope that once they make their MCU debut we not only get tons of new fans and discourse over that version, but that we start to see more discussion and new readers to their comic runs.
And the MCU ruin them and the comics become a MCU parody.
This sounds like the Fantastic 4 run that I’ve been waiting for to help me understand and get into these characters that I’ve always had difficulty appreciating
Fantastic Four #60 is the first comic I ever bought as a kid due to it only being 9 cents. Even though Waid's FF isn't my favorite run on the title, it does have A LOT of sentimental value for me.
Mike Wieringo was pretty much the first artist that made me love Marvel’s very first family.
Love this. As a kid, I didn't care about the F4 at all. but somehow, reaching adulthood made me really love and care for them. the Waid run, the Matt Fraction run, and the Hickman run hold really special places in my heart
(also those are my two suggestions for future FF videos
It was shorty after the release of Rise of the Silver Surfer I found this comic run and it made the Fantastic 4 my favorite Marvel comic characters and the trade I own is one of my most prized possessions.
Pardon the pun, because everyone has probably made it, but fantastic video.
I had a single issue of this run a while back and heard great things about it from other ppl. Mike's art was really unique, it's a shame that he passed away so young.
You should do a video on Dan Slott’s Thing solo series, Matt. It highlights probably everything that you love about Ben. Plus, it’s super underrated.
That was from the early/late 2000s right?
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 yes, I believe so. It spun out of JMS’ fantastic four run at the time.
Love to see more FF videos. Hickman‘s is definitely worth a look. I’d say the big 4 runs for these characters are
Lee/Kirby
John Byrne
This one
And Hickman
The same 4 that Bmask did spot lights on, in his basically documentary level video essay
@@sebastienvondoom8615 not familiar with him. To the internet
@@BoyNamedSue4 It's called We Are The Fantastic Four, it's awesome
@@sebastienvondoom8615 ok. That was a great mini doc.
@@BoyNamedSue4 And he's making a new one about the Thunderbolts I think
I LOVE THE FF THIS RUN IS ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREAT RUNS ALONG WITH LEE AND KIRBY AND BYRNE
One of the greatest overall comic run or specifically FF run?
Me studying for exams
See this
I can take a break
I’ve never read this run but because of this video I’ve added it to my list. And yes, more FF videos please.
I love mark waid fantastic four run it was really awesome and tons of fun.
RIP Mike Wieringo. Gone too soon.
This run was fun and Dr Doom challenging the family dynamic in that awesome story was just great
The Family Dynamic of the Fantastic Four strikes a profound chord with me, each member feeling like a stark mirror of myself at varying moments in recent or ancient memory.
Sometimes you're Ben on a good day, or Ben on a bad day, sometimes you're flying like Johnny or being the badass bedrock of Sue, sometimes you're the smartest gal in the room like Valeria or a buzz with ideas like Franklin. And sometimes you're locked in a room with your own mind like Reed.
And its nice that something like that exists.
Just finished the Second trade for this run. Can't wait to come back to this video after I've finished the whole thing!
The Unthinkable arc is my favorite Dr. Doom story, closely followed by Triumph & Torment. To me the noble Doom is not real but how he sees himself. Because Doom is a tyrant and most tyrants are delusional monsters.
Agreed, although I would also add Books of Doom, which in my opinion is the best version of Doom's origin and how he goes from a poor kid to become the ruler of Latveria.
@@alexandrefrauches132 Just finished Books Of Doom not so long ago, read it through a couple of times. While he strikes me as being factually honest (mostly) throughout, the odd gaps and curious omissions keep picking at me. If Kim Jong Un were to dictate his own autobiography, it would probably sound a lot like that.
Excellent video yet again. I feel like people always bring up the Hickam run of FF (understandably) but this video has definitely convinced me to go back and read this run as well!
When I was about 12, I read Marvel Giant Sized Treasury Edition: Fantastic Four. When I read the "The Coming Of Galactus", I got the feeling that as powerful as they are, they might not save Earth. Skip to 1995. I watched the episode, "Galactus", from the 1967 Hanna-Barbera series on Cartoon Network. I got the same feeling I did reading the story! I knew they started the Marvel Universe, but I never picked up the title. I went to my local comic book store, and picked up a few issues. I've been a fan ever since!
This deserves more views. Waids FF is the absolute best.
didn't expect this video but loved it. I remember disliking the Fantastic Four then actually reading the book and being confused by those feelings; I had so many assumptions. Honestly I really love the whole Future Foundation era of the book.
If the Fantastic Four are going to be in the MCU, this should be the run they draw inspiration from.
They were perfect, Sue and Reed felt mature yet youthful full of love and care.
One of my first FF run, so glad you could cover it
Absolutely awesome run.
I feel such a massive fantastic four shaped void in my life right now. Thank you so much for covering this! I'm definitely going to check out this run! I love all of your content.
First heard about this run from B-Mask, definitely looks great!
You may disagree with me, Matt, but I enjoyed the FF during Heroes Reborn. I liked Jim Lee's art. I had just gotten into the book around 1995, and that book had a modern take on classic stories. It's only my opinion, remember.
This Run was pretty much the first FF run i read so i have a bit of bias for this run but moving on if i have to say my favorite story arc in this run it have to be the Unthinkable arc (#67-70,500) being it give Doom back the vibe as more as a Ominous villain and give him a spine also this arc was very important being it set up the four powers switching and to lead to the Authoritative Action/Hereafter storylines(#501-512) them invading and taking over Latveria and also Spoliers
The Thing Death And them going to Heaven to find Jack Kirby who is God btw not kidding this actually happens yet it pretty weird and out there but i can unterstand btw i thought Doom's Unthinkable design influence the design in F4 World's Greatest Heroes being it more Gothic though F4:WGH is more close to the Classic Design.The Artwork to me is the best The FF have ever looked,the Late Mike Wieringo who return to work with Waid after Working with him on The Flash During the 90s.He is probably my favorite F4 artist ever.Also in my opinion the lighthearted cartoony art helps the contrast between the more darker stories that happen and also give it is own style distinct from the other F4 Runs btw i know some people don't like how DOOM is portrayed being he is not noble but to honset Doom not the most honorable person and his noblilty is medieval at best not saying he can't be at all but only doing if it helps his schemes and plans and he does respect people like Doctor Strange but only if they worship him or are equal and matched.
My mom never calls him the thing , she always call him Ben
This was a great run on FF4
I think in retrospective Sue already have her trauma and growth already done before: Is her being able to be a mother for her kids and helping Reed and Johnny grow in their new stages of life. She and Ben were the support that the other half of the team needed.
Johnny was flanderized to oblivion. Waid's Johnny was not the real Johnny lol.
As a cartoonist/comic book artist myself, Wieringo is one of my absolute very favorite comic book artist!
Read this run at 10 years old along with Lee/Kirby reprints. Couldn't ask for a better intro to the FF.
A vey underrated team,im happy your covering this month.
Love this run
Great video!
You could also do Jonathan Hickman's on the FF!
The FF is my favorite Marvel superhero team/family. This run was awesome!
Amazing video about an amazing run. The thing really is the best comic character ever. Love that guy, so much personality and pathos. There's so many fun FF runs over the years, I started with the Fraction FF and Fantastic Four books but Waid and Weiringo and Hickman's are legendary as well
Great video!
This is my favourite FF run.
Please make more Fantastic Four videos!
Happy Fantastic Fourbruary! Read the full essay on Comic Book Herald: www.comicbookherald.com/waid-wieringos-fantastic-four-a-family-reforged/
One of the best Marvel runs
2nd best Fantastic Four run (after Jonathan Hickman's F4)
And a beautiful rendition of my favorite Marvel team ❤️
Loving any Monkey-Fighting day there's a Monday-Friday Matt Draper upload.🐍✈
One of my favorite artists and one of my favorite runs on this book
Thank you for making this video! Waid and Wieringo's run was the second FF team that I truly enjoyed, with Byrne's run being the first.
I been waiting for this video by you, its perfect thanks for doing a video on the run that got me into the FF as a young teen and made me fall in love with the characters and my god the stories and characterizations (except maybe Sue) in Waid's run are perfect. This is my favourite FF run, its got everything a new reader would need to understand why Marvel's first family is so indescribably awesome. Please do more runs of FF, its my favourite comic in Marvel.
Excellent video! FF is my first Marvel book that I fell in love with Through the 1960’s cartoon! Kirby/Lee run is the bedrock foundation of this series! Waid/Wierigo kick it up a notch and Unthinkable is exactly how you blaze into issue 500! Kirby cameo and Torch as Galactus herald ? I could go on and on! Side note: at Baltimore this past October I met Mike’s brother ,Matt (nice guy) and picked up some original artwork from the run! FF is a tough book to make interesting stories about! Mark,Mike,Karl and Paul created some great comics/wonderful situations! I would love to see you review the Simonson run or McDuffie run just to name 2! Thanks again!
I only knew this family from the movies and i'm starting with this. So good
Thanks for the video
Thanks Matt!
I have this omnibus but never read it to be honest. Makes me want to jump in. Great job man. Killed it per usual
Been waiting on this one!! Love the FF thank you Matty!
Nice work!
Thanks for all the content Matt. Much ❤ as always
Some of the panels from Mark Waid’s run of Fantastic Four were used for the Fantastic Four 2005 films (including the 2007 Extended Cut to the 2005 Fantastic Four film).
For the opening logos.
Thanks alot for a entertaining video, enjoy every minute of it. Great job!
I remember reading the run for the first time and absolutely loving it. It's definitely on my top favorite comic books of all time. Great video and hope to see you covering more FF videos in the near future
I've been waiting for you to cover fantastic four.
Plus excellent video matt I hope there is more FF vids
This was the first comic that really made me give a shit about the FF and I miss Wieringo's work every day.
Yes more fantastic four videos please
This video was spectacular! I collected much of this run, especially the "God" issue, Unthinkable, and Authoritative Action.
Never heard of this run nor have I read anything Fantastic Four. It seems interesting. I'll check it out someday. Great video!
Great video! I love this run. My fav is the FF taking over Latveria and Doom controlling Ben's body, that was scary.
I really liked Wieringo doing the art for Adventures of Superman around 2000-2001 (along with Ed McGuinness and Doug Mahnke handling the art for 2 of the other Superman titles, it was one of the best Superman eras, for me at least), and was disappointed that he chose to leave Superman, for the chance at drawing the Fantastic Four. Now, I'm glad he was able to work on his favorite characters.
I really love what they did with Doom in this❤
I have grown up loving the FF, plz plz plz do more, I am a big fan of ur studies and would love to hear more of your takes on this Fantastic { ;) } team
Love the fantastic 4! Great video
One of my favorite runs ever
Great video. Please cover the Hickman run on the F4 and the Future Foundation, the omnibuses are getting reprinted and it would be nice to have a great analysis of that run.
Matt, I love your sign-off ❤️
I love these videos 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
this video really reminds me of that fantastic four retrospective documentary
I swear, Marvel Editorial is chock full of divas
I hope you can do a video about The Four Species Movies. Love to see it since I'm a huge fan.
You should do the Waid flash run. It's about time that it got an omnibus. It's a fantastic run and really embodies Wally west and the flash .
Man I love the FF. Not sure if you’ve covered his run yet or not but you should make a video on Hickman’s FF!
Thanks for uploading another FF video. They are the first Marvel Superheroes but are severely underrated (the lacklustre films did not help). I am not fond of what Waid did with Doom. I know he is a villain but even for him, sending a child to hell was a step too far.
If you are going to make more FF videos, I love to hear your opinion on the John Bryne run.
Let's hope Jon Watts can make justice to the F4...
Doooope.
Also bleugh remembering Scott Lobdell.
Just finished unthinkable, it's amazing
Also Mark Made Mr fantastic my favorite Marvel super hero
Video about my favourite superhero team, that also is really good.
This is my favorite Fantastic Four run ever right above Jonathan Hickman's run!
19:35 yes man pleaaase do a video for Jonathan Hickman’s FF run that’d be such a great video and it’s my personal favorite after Mark Waid and Mike Wieringos run
I was just watching your man who has everything vid. Matt your content is absolutely insightful and great. I love your comic book analysis. Any plans to touch on any Daredevil stuff soon? That and Spidey are my fav heroes you talk about
Thanks! No plans for Daredevil outside of Darecember for now
LEE AND KIRBY BYRNE SIMONSON AND HICKMAN ARE THE DEFINITIVE FF RUNS
I feel like Unthinkable works as a reminder. Despite all the pretenses of honor and nobility, underneath the armor is a petty man that seeks to destroy Reed over an event that was his own fault. That Doom is a man who will ruin lives and kill for his goals, with the people around him merry being sacrificial lambs to either destroy his enemies and achieve his goals. Reed has a family. Doom is forever alone.