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ANNIHILATION: How Marvel Cosmic Was Reborn Through Its Destruction
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2024
- A look at the editorial history of Marvel's "Annihilation," its storytelling choices, and its lasting impact on the cosmic side of Marvel Comics.
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"Jim Starlin telling other Thanos writers to stay out his lawn"
Yeah, the only one who ever got a pass on that was his protege, Ron Marz.
He is what I strive to be
Much like how the MCU boosted the popularity of former B-lister Iron Man, Annihilation boosted the value of Richard Rider Nova. Well at least for me. So much so that when the killed him off way back when, it devastated me, over a character I did not give a flying fig in the 90s.
Yeah, in the 90s, he was just dull, Generic Hero Man #64, a Green Lantern knockoff.
Same!
It was my intro for Nova. Needles to say, I did not go back.
Sadly with the way MCU is going it’s not likely we will get events like this since they want to be more goofy and not tell actual good stories.
Ah my entry into mainstream Marvel comics, that was a bookshelf of comics ago, how time flies.
There's something to be said about how, among the newcomers in Marvel vs Capcom 3, Nova was one of the few who had nearly no animated or movie appearances at the time. The only things he had were a cameo in the Silver Surfer cartoon and one important episode in Super Hero Squad.
Annihilation was a powerful event for him, no doubt.
Before Annihilation, I Really Wasn’t Interested In The Cosmic Side of Marvel. After I Had Read Annihilation, I fell in love with Cosmic Marvel. Great Video Matt
Richard Rider putting Tony Stark in his place after Annihilation and Civil War is easily one of my favorite epic comic book moments. After a certain point civil war got really confusing to read with all the spin offs which is how I pick up annihilation. So glad I did as its ages far better.
"I saved the universe Tony, what have you been doing?" Goes so hard ngl
Facts.
This is probably my favorite Marvel event ever. It got me into Marvel and it's what made me a fan of Marvel Cosmic, especially Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy.
This was the era that gave such great development to characters like Ronan the Accuser, Nova, Silver Surfer, the Guardians of the Galaxy along with a nice use of locations and empires that used to be Avengers, X-men or Fantastic Four plot devices. I loved,Realm of Kings, War of Kings, Thanos Imperative /Cancerverse, Hickmans Infinity along with the recent Annihilation:Scourge.
My only complaint is the modern characterization of Thanos and the Guardians not living up to the Abnett and Lanning versions and become their movie versions, but I do love the moving away from cosmic entities and focusing more on the Empires of Space like the Kree, Skrulls and Shi'ar with a great focus on cosmic characters that I loved in the early 90s, I loved Drax, Gamora and Moondragons development during this time, its great stuff. However I do love the Starlin era of cosmic existentialism, unfortunately there aren't many other writers that were interested, by this time that, in such topics, and even recent stories of Starlin's have suffered in terms of plot because of his introspective nature of his characters.
I do wish that characters like Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock and Thanos were still characters that were in existential angst, and while Silver Surfer still is, the changes to Thanos and Warlock by other writers honestly is my only complaint about modern Cosmic Marvel and I say this as someone who has loved Marvel Cosmic since I was a kid before Annihilation was even a thing and never stopped.
If it's the introspective writing you're after I cannot recommend Silver Surfer: Black enough. Al Ewing's Guardians is shaping up to be great based off the 3 available issues. It's a move away from the movies and back to DnA writing
@@MrMangaman1 Funny you should say that, but yeah I have actually enjoyed Both Silver Surfer Black and Al Ewings run of Guardians a lot so far, I even enjoyed Cates Guardians to an extent, its just too bad he was only there for so many issues, but thanks anyways! Im loving Cates Thor run as well!
OMG I completely agree! Thanos and Warlock were my favourite characters when Starlin was writing them, but I can't stand their portrayal by other writers.
Annihilation needs to be the next IW in the MCU
It would be amazing
Secret wars
Yea secret wars
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There's so much great cosmic stuff that came out of this event, from DnA's GotG, to some of the modern Thanos stuff. IIRC, i think there's a What If comic about the cosmic heroes failing, and the heroes reuniting during civil war to turn back the annihilation wave before it hits earth. So many fun concepts that've shaped the future of Marvel. Phyla-Vell is one of my favorite characters in the 616, I really hope she shows up in a GOTG or Captain Marvel one day.
I can't help but feel like we're experiencing another Cosmic Renaissance through books like Cates' Silver Surfer Black, Cosmic Ghost Rider, and his Thor run.
"2007. Annihilation. I was there."
- that's how il begin to tell that tale to the next generation when they will ask me who richard rider is.
Thanks for covering Annihilation. The best Comics event of all.
My favorite Cosmic storyline. Close second for me is Infinity by Hickman.
I hope we get a adaptation of these stories in the movies someday man
I stumbled upon this story and almost immediately I was enthralled. I didn't know about 90% of characters but the series really showed why they were good characters. Nova, Starlord and Quasar were always interesting.
i wonder when the MCU would adapt Annihilation. i hope they do it justice, it’s such a great story ☺️
For some reason this gave me the idea "what if neil gaiman wrote a silver surfer book"
Pardon my language, but this event kicks f🤬ing ass! You said it during your live stream, but as someone who's been a fan of yours for a few years now I can assure you your videos have improved a lot over the years and they've been amazing in the first place. One thing I'd like to tell you, cause I'll always bang out on your live streams from now on, my last name is pronounced Jimbala. My dad even got a letter for a mister Jim Bala, due to only having said his last name on the phone. As long as you'll keep your quality up I'll always be around, so thanks a lot Matt! ✌️
Tbh I think my biggest problem w Annihilation is that lots of Nova’s development and maturity is off screen
Imagine what whould have happened if the annihilation wave attacked the star wars galaxy during the clone wars
Lately, I’ve been getting into the cosmic side of the Marvel Universe thanks to the Guardians and the recent Cates’ titles, so it still surprising that I haven’t read Annihilation yet. This sounds like such an awesome comic and I can’t wait to check it out. Another great video and I’m glad to have been apart of your live chat yesterday. Can’t wait for the next one.
I have the 5 omni set of Annihilation, Annihilation: Conquest, Road to WoK, War of Kings and Realms of Kings. Read them over the summer 3 or 4 years ago, good stuff. So mighty were they the shelf holding them buckled under the strain a year ago.
They’re reprinting conquest this year so I hope they reprint the rest!
I still haven't been able to find a decently priced version of this and it makes me sad, seeing as it spawned the amazing abnett-lanning gotg run
Hell yeah! Annihilation is one of those great stories I always wanted to read all the way through. Great story, amazing art, memorable heroes and villains and left a huge impact.
This story is the quintessential cinematic comic book story.
Great video as always Matt! Ever thought about doing a video on Donny Cates's work? Would love to know what you think of him.
Thanks! I haven’t read enough of Cates yet to know which story I’d cover. But I know people like Venom, God Country, and Silver Surfer Black.
@@MattDraper I only read his God Country, which I did enjoy and I want to read more of his stuff.
Would also recommend his work on Doctor Strange! Big fan of his run with Walta on the character.
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Any video on The Joker or Barry Allen The Flash or ODIN would be appreciated
it's not worth the time
Looking back, the way Annihilation reinvented the Marvel cosmic corner with crazy war and death was probably a big influence on the dumpster fire that ended up be Ultimatum.
This comic was my biggest inspiration for my interests when I found it as a kid, not even just for superheroes but sci-fi and also a bit of horror from the deaths of quasar and Annihilus, but even just for storytelling and art in general.
This is the kind of stories i live for
My favorite Marvel anything. I actually own several key pages from the main series- including Ronan breaking his hammer on Ravenous' face!
Talk about lasting effects, the Nova Corp just started rebuilding itself last year.
It's unfortunate that they do seem to like destroying the Nova Corps from time to time. This works well as an idea, once or twice, but after a while it becomes too predictable.
Didn't they rebuild around the time of War of Kings? IIRC, they even had Ego as a member at that poiny
Love seeing you cover one of my favorite space epics. You put a lot of it in words far better than I can, I hope I can write as well as you eventually
What a fantastic job you did brother you need to have millions of likes and views. Congratulations. Thank you
I’ve read comics for decades, Annihilation and Civil War both worked as the best possible mid point, allowing for drastic changes to unfold in the best possible way. Seeing the return to Cosmic Marvel was fantastic.
I've really enjoyed your channel over the last year or so since I found it.
Another great video man
Finally bought my Annihilation Omnibus!
Phenomenal work, my man.
Since you mentioned this in your livestream, I read the whole omnibus for the first time since I have never really heard about this event before but It was fun...and I an finally watch this video without being spoiled
Annihilation is the best comic event you've never heard of. And it actually did the thing bad events promise to do, it had long term status quo changing consequences. Contrasting this with the concurrent Civil War is just, so interesting. This had a clear editorial vision and direction, while Civil War.. did not. Characters like Nova came out of this with a new spotlight and character development, while in Civil War Peter Parker lost character development... a lot of character development. Annihilation has heroes and villains teaming up, Civil War has heroes fighting heroes while the villains just, politely wait on the sidelines I guess?
Annihilation and conquest are great stories.
It's worth noting that another reason cosmic Marvel kind fell out of style was that the grim and gritty trend had taken over and many fans were chasing that and when Marvel/DC went into their "reconstruction" phase, they just weren't thinking on that cosmic scale.
Love your content so much
Nice Job as always
16:38 Annihilation is also one my favorite crossover as well and it got my big brother into comics books
Great video on marvel annihilation event man :)
Annihilation was such a pleasant surprise for me around around 2009. I was blown away by the scale, tone, and overall *quality* of it. I was hooked on all the Marvel Cosmic stories that would spawn after such as Conquest, War of Kings and Thanos Imperative. The most pleasant surprise of Annihilation was that it was essentially a Why you should respect the Fantastic Four" story (given that most of the cast of Annihilation is FF villains). Same with how 52 was a "Why you should respect the Shazam Family" with the promotions that Mr. Mind and Black Adam received.
The funny thing is, Marvel had every intent on killing Cosmic Marvel with Thanos Imperative. Until Disney needed a space property to promote in case the Star Wars deal didnt go through.......
I've always heard how Annihilation was superior to Civil Was since I got into comics. I still think Marvel Cosmic is too weird for me but at least Nova got some shine.
Agreed. Civil War had a great in at the beginning but quickly got too convoluted and lost its focus in the middle.
Ahhniulus is my favorite villian
Annihilus one day was like,
“Ya know what? I’ll just destroy everything”.
Well his whole thing is that he's paranoid that people want to steal his Cosmic Control Rod and use its power.
The definitive marvel cosmic comics event. It revived nova quasar the guardians of the Galaxy I love it
Marvel cosmic universe is amazing. I love the history of marvel ingeneral. Im a life long Marvel and DC fan and I still learn new shit everyday.
Okay, this video is indeed epic.
The Annihilation era was the best Marvel cosmic had been since Starlin. Simply amazing books. The first Annihilation was the best, but War of Kings was nearly as good.
Heck, between this era at Marvel and Johns's Green Lantern run happening at DC, lovers of cosmic comics were living like royalty.
Great stuff
Great video man. You can take the most epic stuff and turn it into a succinct and understandable yarn. Big fan. Now think about doing some Image stuff pleeeease. Spawn, Invincible, etc...Thanks as always.
Fantastic work! I'd recommend you read and hopefully cover (for our sake) Donny Cates work with Jason Aaron leading up to War of Realms. Never thought Thor and Venom would be brought together so beautifully.
This is my favorite event comic
The fact Annihilation ran concurrently with Civil War made the latter conflict look even more petty.
This story sounds so cool. I gotta figure out what collected editions are easiest to buy so I can read it for myself
Remember when anahilation was one of the tittles for avengers endgame...
I member.
Actually, no. I wonder if the MCU will do its own version now. I guess it depends on how much Gunn liked it
Katherine Alvarez it's not a comedy, so hopefully they don't ruin this great comic by making it a generic mcu comedy
@@notmyname5591 meh. The MCU adapts in name only anyway, if at all.
Youre commentary on Silver Surfer Black would be sooo amazing that and also if you did videos on Sandman and Lucifer I could die happy.
Best storyline ever. Kirby is the greatest
Loved every panel of realm of kings series , to thanos imperative and then annilus; and by far the best read ive had all my life ❤ (everything from thanos,ravenous, starjammers darkhawk,blackbolt,vulcan,blaststarr, magus ,kl'rt, kallack and then annilus) insane
Matt: *covers a really cool sounding comic*
Me: well, I gotta read this right this second.
I gave no shits about Cosmic Marvel besides Silver Surfer as a kid, Keith Giffin & Andy Schmidt changed that. This one on of my favorite eras of Marvel Comics. What a fun wild ride, thanks for bringing me back.
Lovely, lovely video. A couple of questions… how would you rate the follow-up event, Annihilation Conquest? Would you say these are standalone books? Would it be ok to stop here, or with Conquest and not read the war of kings trilogy?
I would absolutely love to hear your opinion on marvel zombies, It was one of my first comics that got me into comics as a whole and feels like an amazing love letter to both Marvel Heroes and Horror at the same time, While still keeping the essence of the characters (like spiderman)
hey matt! video was great an I have some suggestions for future videos. You could make a video on grant morrisons new x-men showing how he expanded and explored the x-men's mythos and personality's. you could also do spider-man by j.michael strazinsky. you could also talk about keith giffens ambush bug. these are only suggestions and not demands. hopefully you could but only if you feel like it
My favorite cosmic event
Annihilation is better than civil war. Civil war wasn't bad but I rather heros fight villains not each other.
I was hoping for that Darkhawk mention
0:53 so good
If It weren’t for The X-men I don’t think I’d be reading any earthly characters at all because of the cosmic stories like Annihilation
Great story.
I would love to see a video about Jonathan Hickman´s Avengers or New Avengers
Cool intro
I honestly thought you were talking about the movie! 🤣
Nice
Bigger than Annihilation...is it Crisis? It's Crisis isn't it?! I hope it's Crisis! Lol Great video, Annihilation is one of my favorites too!
Are you ever gonna cover transformers MTMTE/ lost light?
Can you next analyze Avengers/Invaders? I think that series is underrated :)
Please do Conquest next
How does joe quesada continuously make the wrong decisions
Maybe cover Damnation.
You gonna cover that story ?
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It was Infinity War that caused me to dip out of comics, due to overwhelming frustration with how low quality and greedy the crossover had become in the 90s. Im slowly finding out what good things were made in the time i was away.
Although, as a huge Mark Gruenwald fan, I'm very dissappointed about Quasar's death. Let me know if/when he's brought back.
@@Nono-hk3is after googling it, I think he's back. The first Quasar at the least, idk if you meant another Quasar.
Annihilation is what made me a Marvel fan, in the same way Sinestro Corps War made me a DC fan.
Please do a video about Hickman ff4
I couldve swore...Giffen was writing for DC during 05/06. Ie: 52
Ps: Annihilation was way better than civil war
I think Civil War actually helped Annihilation at the time. With all the "big name" heroes focused on the Earthbound Civil War, it allowed for pretty much C and D listers to strut their stuff.....It also gelt way more "deadly" as since, these WERE C and D listers, even though nobody stays dead in comics, the threat to them still felt more real.
I compare Annihilation to the "Avengers in Space" storyline of few years ago and there's no comparison - The latter just seems like a way to make the Avengers look good where as Annihilation was a way to make EVERYONE look good.
Whatever happened to Lanning? I know Abnet is around...
Have you read Superman: Secret Identity?
Marvel Cosmic was the shit for a long time!
Didn’t one of these events after annihilation reboot the 616 universe? I can’t remember which one but I think it was thanos imperative, right? That’s why the guardians looked so different after that?
Marvel has never done reboots. The 616 universe has had the same continuity since 1939. The Guardians were simply changed cosmetically and in terms of personality to a degree to fit the movies, which has become a trend in the comics for years.
@@CouncilCape897 huh, thanks
Phase 7. Mark my words
Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning hold a special place in my heart as writers. One of my first comics was Punisher 2099, which was their first for Marvel, I believe, after writing Marshall Law in the UK. Good to know that they went on to bigger and better things in Annihilation and its aftermath.
Pip the Troll?
Anybody?
No?
okay.
Oooh animation event awesome this story was really interesting and very cool cosmic marvel event and personally in my opinion ten times better then marvel civil war at least in my opinion.
Agreed. It'sa shame this comic was overlooked for Civil War because while Civil War had a great premise in the beginning it quickly got convoluted and Ironman started acting out of character.
@@themadtitan7603 indeed and not to mention civil war ruined spider-man peter parker and mary jane life and unfortunately was the catylist for the awful awful one more day garbage that ruined everything with peter parker and mary jane for a literal decade.
@@TevyaSmolka Yeah that's true, I'm glad they're back together again now in Nick Spencer's Spider-Man run.
@@themadtitan7603 indeed same here
Without infinity gauntlet & annihilation marvel would look like DC. This is why I like marvel! To compare this to infinite crisis is a disservice to annihilation wave considering DC idea of cosmic always centers around jla (or alternate versions of jla/earth but it's earth), green lanterns, Darkseid (always seeking "anti life equation") then sprinkle in anti monitor. Once in a while they have a completely new character ie Perpetua, Barbados. DC is like Joe Q they have no interest in their cosmic landscape or adding new characters or focusing on anyone other than JLA.
Joe Quesada ruins everything doesn't he?
In that period, I loved more Messiah complex and annhilation than civil war. Damn, mutant and cosmic crossovers were leagues better than the avengers/marvel u onea