How Tina Turner Still Relives the Nightmare of Abuse from Ike Turner
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2021
- Academy Award-winning directors Dan Lindsay and T.J. Martin are the masterminds of the new HBO documentary, “Tina.” The feature gives an intimate unfiltered look at icon Tina Turner’s life from her rise to fame to struggles with Ike Turner. It is an ode to Tina Turner’s immense talent and her status as a respected survivor. Dan and T.J. sit down with Tamron Hall to talk about the inspiration behind “Tina.”
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I just watched the documentary again. All I can say is All Hail the Queen of Rock 'n' Roll. Miss Turner, you did the damn thing! I'm so happy that you got ALL of your flowers. And Rest In Peace. you deserve it.👑❤
Let’s normalize giving TINA her flowers without mention of her ex ever again.
(you can go watch the movie or better yet read her 1st autobiography, “I, Tina” for that backstory.)
There is so much more to her Life, Legacy, Musicality, Artistry and Talent:
4.1 octaves of raw vocal power that could soulfully delivery just about any genre of music exceptionally. Throughout her career she covered more genres than most of her contemporaries with songs ranging from rock, blues, R&B, pop, country, gospel, and even jazz in her collaboration with Herbie Hancock in 2007.
TINA accomplished many "firsts" for Women and Black people.
Here are a few actual facts about the legendary Artist:
-First Woman to be the cover of the Rolling Stone magazine
-First (and only) woman to have won
Grammys in the 3 most disputed categories: Rock, Pop and RnB. (only Michael Jackson also achieved this feat).
-She won 8 Grammys from 25 nominations. And, also received 3 Grammy Hall of Fame Awards and a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award
-First (and only) Black woman to be inducted twice in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
-First woman to fill massive sports stadiums on nearly every continent. (North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia)
-First woman to fill the biggest football stadium in the world - the Maracana in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
-In January 1988, She set a Guinness World Record for the 'largest paying concert attendance for a solo artist' by performing in front of more than 180,000 people at Maracana Stadium in Rio.
-First woman to break the record of selling more than 1 Million concert tickets in one tour - The 1987/1988 ‘Break Every Rule World Tour’ (4 million+ tickets were sold by the end of that tour, Outselling the Rolling Stones).
AND, She still holds the Guinness World record for selling more concert tickets than any other Solo Performer in History.
She was a pioneer and Originator in “Rock and Roll” music before it ever got that label. Then, She came back to Reclaim that genre for the Black artists who laid its foundation, at a time when the music industry’s gatekeeping of Rock music for white artists was blatant, leaving Rock & Roll predominately white. She ultimately reclaimed it all becoming The Queen of Rock & Roll.
“There's another story that can focus on Her brilliance, rather than her resilience; that can examine her skill rather than her survival; that can make her influence and impact primary and lke and abuse secondary; that can make her genius (and Tina Turner *IS* a genius, *not* an Ike Turner construct) foreground and the grief background. ~Son of Baldwin”
Tina was the one who couldn't stop talking about Ike.
This is the best hairstyle on tamron
Omg these Ike fans are so butt hurt. 🤣They are literally under every video repeating the same dumb crap about Tina over and over again. And they have been doing it for YEARS!!! Yet they complain about Tina talking about her ex-husband and former musical collaborator. At least she had an intimate relationship with the person she is talking about. What is their excuse?
Indeed!
They hate her because they ain’t her.
Love me some Tina
She wasn't a saint.
For those who have never been through domestic violence, please don't speak on this. She can talk about her experiences as much as she wants. They just happen to have been a public couple with a private life that no one knew about. Just knowing that people go through something like that, that is something that you never get over. I think what people are missing with the moral of the story is that her story is helping someone out there get out of that situation currently. As things were brought to light about their relationship, Ike had many women and we know this. Don't miss the moral of the story and that is domestic violence is not ok. If people decide to watch the movie or the documentary, listen to the lessons and the moral of the story and learn from it! Some of the comments are unbelievable. Someone said "when is she just going to get over it"? Once again, if you have not been through that type of situation, you don't know the traumatic memories that comes along with it. Some people may appear to be ok but she could just be sitting and something may flash across her mind about that time. I don't think you ever completely get over something like that.
Morals? She has none. She made a Hollywood about her life and lied as if she didn't have a child prior to being with Ike. She did with another guy in the band...assuming that was "Frost". Lol Shes clearly a LIAR!
Why are you triggered by her, OWN story? You're wasting your energy on someone you don't even know.
Wacth ikes unsug.
RIP Rhonda Graam
Yes indeed. Rhonda was a TRUE FRIEND to Tina. She never left her side. She stood by Tina through thick and thin. She knew Tina better then anybody ever could.
@@kimbronson3520 Rhonda was one of Ike's mistresses. She did a lot for Ike and Tina though. Unfortunately, Tina treated her like a servant in her later years.
I dnt have Netflix. I wish I can watch the docu in full. I love you Tina
It’s HBO/MAX
It’s on HBO MAX
HBO Max
Or HULU
Ike Turner needs a Star on the Hollywood walk of Fame
Yep. He's legend and pioneer.
R. Kelly will be on your list as well 😂🗽 🌟
@@Tim_ShuNo ,just Ike Turner and by the way since you're into men who date under age girls your perverted mind should mention Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis
@@Tim_Shu okay whatever's you say dude you sure are fascinated with R Kelly you should ask your shrink why you're fascinated with this man. Okay see ya later weirdo
*I read her book I Tina. Great read.*
Tina an awesome entertainer. Her personal life with Ike in those early years was a nightmare not knowing if you're going to survive or do I want to live.
I am glad she is still and I hope she is able to enjoy her life to the fullest.
That is the clear reason why I oppose marriage. Some marriages are not happy endings like in fairy tales and marriages end up in tragedy. Some women who are abused by their husbands, end up with PTSD, nightmarish flashbacks and suffer from self harm even if they divorce their thugs of husbands.
The narrative here seems to blame Tina Turner? She watch her Father beat her Mother and both her Parents deserted her. She must be a strong Woman. It's like beating a horse to death. I'm happy she left the United States and I want nothing but the best for her, at the end of the day it's her life.
Yea, this warped narrative is coming from lower element of society.
Society feels NOTHING for black women. She divested which is what bw should start doing en masse.
Ike Turner redeemed himself at the end by trying to make right with his past. He apologized to Tina and their kids whom was traumatized by witnessing the abuse of their mother. Ike Turner was complex character whom experienced must violence and racism in his life which turned his heart into a stone. But was was melted in his 70s he gave all he had to music. And won a Grammy on his own before he died in 2007. No one is a perfect human being we all have faults. But Ike Turner redeemed himself and he is a legend whose music will be heard for all time. R.I.P Ike Turner (1931-2007)
No apology can erase trauma. He only tried to make amends because he realised he was miserable and wanted forgiveness so he could die in peace. His apology was worthless. His abuse in childhood is NO excuse for abusing anyone else. I don't excuse the victim becoming the victimiser.
Obviously like chris 🙄. And him and rhinna are good friends.
His apology was worthless. His abuse in childhood is NO excuse for abusing anyone else
What kind of wokie are you?
@@TheQueenIsWithinPlease stop with the foolishness. You don't even know Ike. His apology is not for you. His kids had a very good relationship with him before he died and they all attended his funeral and spoke highly of him and that's all that matters.
He didn't redeem ish!!!!!!!
Tina is in her 80s and still stuck on Ike. You can't heal if you remain resentful and keep reliving your trauma. Hopefully this is her final goodbye as marketed. Imagine how her children must feel every time Tina brings up Ike. Despite their acrimonious split they still share family. Tina doesn't seem to be close to any of them so she probably doesn't care how her actions affect them. They weren't included in her documentary. I wonder how they feel about her?
Oh, I think they don't mind at all. They love the money it brings them. If it bothered them so much they would stop her using their dad's music. ruclips.net/video/02ecIKokaj0/видео.html&ab_channel=RobHowardJames
Apparently you have no idea how PTSD works especially in terms of abuse trauma for years! Read up on emotional dysregulation. You don't just forget trauma. It embeds itself in the subconscious. That's like telling war veterans to forget seeing body parts or forget the noise of shells going off. You can tell her what to do but yet you lock your doors and windows at night right? And that's to protect yourself from something that may not ever happen. Imagine every time you're afraid of something else your mind goes back to those traumatic experiences. Imagine how her children feel? No child who loves their mother expects her to deny her feelings just so that YOU could be comfortable. They're grown adults. Let them deal with it.
@@TheQueenIsWithin Tina has been expressing how she feels for four decades. Many people have acrimonious divorces but for the sake of their children and grandchildren they keep it amicable and out of the public. Tina has always prioritized her career over her sons. She doesn't care about how they feel every time she dwells on the past. She has told her story in various profitable ways. Ike is deceased but they still share kin. Tina is being vindictive by always dragging his name through the mud. She should seek therapy since Ike is still heavy on her conscience. I don't believe she has PTSD, she is still resentful that she didn't get the money and property she wanted from the divorce. Tina is rehashing the same story so the producers needed a new angle hence the newfound PTSD. It's ironic that the documentary is based around the theory that she can't escape Ike's shadow yet it perpetuates just that.
@@luciverdad4834 I really hope you dont have any daughters, sisters, or any women including yourself that end up in an abusive relationship. Because of this is what you truly think and believe then......wow!
@@mrbrownroyyal I don't which for anyone to be in an abusive relationship but people need to take accountability for their actions. Tina was not a child and she has also contradicted herself. Thankfully she didn't have any daughters to raise with her mindset. She was barely present for her sons. If she spent half as much energy focusing on her relationship with her sons as she does dwelling on Ike maybe she wouldn't have a fractured relationship with them. She didn't even attend her son Ronnie's funeral.
Tina can't get proper closure if she's always reopening old wounds. These producers expoited her pain but she consented. She is willing to talk about her dysfunctional relationship with Ike but not her estranged relationship with her sons. Ike should've appreciated Tina but he wasn't as bad as she makes him out to be and she wasn't as innocent. There are three sides to every story.
I think she's done. We won't hear from her again. If one has not had an experience with dysfunctional I wouldn't judge it. I've watched that documentary about 10 times and it's very painful too watch and she will have proper closure. We won't hear anything from her again that's really apparent. And the ending is hard to watch, She may not have been innocent, but no one deserves to be treated so unkind and a punching bag. I can't stand a Man who hits a WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's never okay.
@@edglebennett6312 Violence is never okay, but according to many people who knew them Tina wasn't Ike's punching bag. Ike said he was wrong for taking Tina for granted. He didn't appreciate her and that was his loss. He admitted he hit her but he also said she hit him. There is a video with Judge Joe Brown claiming he saw Tina hit Ike. She was with him for many years and they benefited from each other. Ike wasn't a tyrant all the time. Tina said in the past that she actually left Ike and decided to return on her own before leaving for the final time years later. I hope she does finally stop reliving the past. Tina is known for saying she is done with something then contradicting herself years later. She said she would never write another book and in the last few years she has written two more. I don't think she can ever be fully at peace since Ike is gone and her relationship with him is what lingers on her mind.
@@roslynq7477 You think? Okay. I read a article this morning saying she has nothing to do with her Son she had with Ike. I can understand why, it may cause her pain, so I won't judge her. She has been a blessing to many Women and some Men. She's a human being and has the right to change her mind and can do whatever she likes. I'm sure she is done and we'll never hear from her again. I hope she is at peace. We all contradict ourselves. I wish nothing but the best for her. And I hope Ike is burning in hell and if she did hit him, so what. You never hit a Woman. Any Man who hit's a Woman has no respect for his Mother or any other females.
What more is there to say about her relationship with her sons when they consciously chose to distance themselves from her on their father’s behalf? Micheal, Ike Jr. and Ronnie identified with Ike’s fuckery because they were enchanted with his lifestyle which ultimately led them down a difficult path of drug addiction and jail time (bad fathering). Tina said herself that the only one that tried to protect her during her fights with Ike was Craig. That alone should tell you how misogynistic and weak the rest are. It’s because of Tina that these dust mites were able to enjoy their opulent lifestyle. They’ve had every opportunity to advance and refused. The phone rings both ways and since these trust fund babies continue to collect a check from her every two weeks, it’s too easy to catch a flight to see her if they really wanted to. Which one of these raggedy niggas was on the first flight to Europe to help care for their mother when she became seriously ill? Pretty sure she loves her sons, but a mother knows when her sons are bums. She was smart to divest herself.
@@so_cal8057 How do you know that he sons haven't tried to communicate with her? How do you know they were even aware that she was ill? They weren't at her wedding in 2013, maybe they weren't invited. Tina doesn't seem to have much contact with them. A recent report said that they weren't asked to participate in her HBO documentary. Ike admitted his mistakes, but Tina doesn't admit hers. She has failed as a mother She emotionally abandoned her sons a long time ago. They were children in the situation, what what were they supposed to do when their parents were fighting. Ike had his own issues with his which he resolved before his death. Ronnie played in his band and Ike Jr produced his last Grammy-winning album. Even Craig attended his funeral. Ike Jr has said that he chose to stop accepting her checks years ago. He had been performing with his own band. Tina chose to prioritize her career over her sons and she has always held Europe and white people to a higher regard. Her black family doesn't fit in with her ideals. Craig was the only one she had some sort of relationship with yet he was the most troubled. He committed suicide in 2018. Just months after his death Tina didn't have a problem promoting her book talking about she's the happiest she has eve been. People grieve differently, but Tina doesn't come across as a compassionate and nurturing mother. She once said she isn't maternal. How do you have children and aren't maternal?
Don’t discredit Ike Turner, Tina wouldn’t be were she’s at without Ike Turner and that’s a FACT. Ike Turner was the pioneer of rock n roll, producer, choreographer and stylist. He did all of that, I don’t condoned the violence and controlling. But his life was sad as well, he was molested and abuse, then suffer from drug addiction. The movie did damaged control to Ike and how he was portrayed.
Yep. She didn't tell the full truth about HER!
He kept all the money didn’t give her anything he BEAT her the only time she fought back was the last fight they had. Are you all abusive too because I’m confused. Tina wasn’t perfect but she tried to love him despite his mental illness. He said in a interview that “ she liked to be beat” come on now
@@teatime4552That's B.S. Tinas' best friend said Tina was always out shopping for expensive things.Ike didn't keep all the money
Blah blah blah
Only abusers are sticking up for Ike
Ike was a monster & he haunts Tina in her dreams as a nightmare. I hope & pray that Tina can finally let go only if we fans allow her heal & not remind her of Ike, 😇😇😇😇
Tina still uses the name Ike gave her. Tina reminds herself of Ike everytime she brings him up just to berate him when he deceased.
@@roslynq7477 but when she finally left Ike, she left Ike everything except the performance name of Tina, his pride & joy.
@@albertlee5272 That's not true. In the divorce petition she asked for money and wanted property. She wanted half of everything she was entitled to. The divorce was dragging out so she settled. In the final divorce decree, she kept her songwriter royalties from songs she wrote. She also kept her two Jaguar cars, furs and jewelry along with the stage name Tina Turner. She also kept Turner as her legal last name for decades until she got married.
Bottom line she still didn't get much considering how hard she worked in that band, she still had to start from ground zero, had to perform at bars to raise money for rent and to pay debtors for the concerts that were cancelled. Eddie Armani(her assistant since Ike days) mentions that Tina couldn't even raise money to pay him at one point while struggling to relaunch her career. All in all Ike got to keep everything.
@@edmundsishange3608 absolutely
They've been divorced for over 40 years and Ike died over a decade ago. Will she ever get over this?
I hope you are having a better day.
Not as long as it's profitable. Tina has been milking this story for decades.
STFU
U Don't Know Pain Then Do You
And Also They Came To Her For The Documentary
@@cjturner370 So what? She agreed to do it, so she agreed to relive her trauma as she has done repeatedly in the last 40 years. You can't complain about the media revictimizing you when you are doing it yourself.
@@lillypatrick8481 because she needs to. Not to mention he's freaking dead.
Tina is beating a dead horse at this point. She's battling herself, not Ike. It's also profitable for her to to sell this narrative, so when she has a new project it's always expoited. Ike and Tina had a dysfunctional relationship but she it is not as one-sided as portrayed. Tina got into her share of fights according to various people. Ike had his demons but he also helped a lot of people.
If she’s beating a dead horse then feel free to keep scrolling. Who’s forcing you to watch? You obviously condone violence against women, so I’d expect for you to invalidate her experience. Ike had his chance to bounce back after the break up but couldn’t because he was too weak to adapt, take it for what it is
So because someone got into their share of fights that invalidates their trauma? Ike only helped to help himself. He was a predator period. Why is it that every time a black woman speaks on her trauma everyone tries to minimise it and explain it away? Halle Berry is deaf in one ear from Westly Snipes - you think she's over that?
@@TheQueenIsWithin Tina pursued Ike to be in his band. They were friends for years before they married. Tina began having an affair with him when he was in a relationship. She was not a child. Tina already had a baby by another man and Ike helped take care of her and her son. She would most likely not have made it out of St. Louis without him. Ike had his faults but he had good attributes as well. Ike relocated his entire band to Los Angeles and he was taking care of various people financially.
@@TheQueenIsWithin Tina is only a black woman when it's convenient. She doesn't associate with black people unless she has something to promote on Oprah. Tina has surrounded herself with white people for the past 40 years and is living as a European woman. She doesn't even communicate with her family. She berates black people and puts white people on a pedestal so save your breath trying to defend her as a black woman. She could care less.
Right
R.I.P. Ike Turner, a pioneer in rock 'n' roll. There is no Tina Turner without Ike Turner. She was born with her natural talent but Ike gave her a platform. He helped a lot of people. Ike and Tina both benefited from each other and Tina still profits off of him to this day. Tina's nightmares are probably from never getting closure. She should see a therapist instead of constantly berating Ike. This is someone she loved at one point and it doesn't seem like she ever got over him.
I'm sorry but she never got over it?!! What makes you an expert on domestic violence or the media?!!! She worked her ass off AFTER Ike & Tina split to find her own success that the MEDIA kept pretty much kept bringing up her past. She didn't want to keep talking about it. The media did. She wanted to close the wound and let it heal YEARS after she and Ike were divorced but the MEDIA would not let her. So how are you going to say she never got over him? She had moved on and was living her life happily in Europe with Erwin but after the 1993 movie, even BEFORE the movie, the media would NOT let her have the closure, the healing she needed. So she didn't berate Ike, the media kept that wound open and didn't allow it to heal. The media destroyed Ike's reputation, not Tina. Tina did what she had to do so she could find peace, the media wouldn't let her. Educate yourself before you judge and say things.
You can’t stand her, yet you’re on every video reiterating the same tired crap about her. She was smart enough to level up while Ike allowed for his his narrow minded musical style and drug habit to destroy him and that’s what you’re mad at. In your warped mind, black women should feel obliged to wallow in undesirable situations for the sake of remaining loyal to their “kangs.” Fuck that. Ike gave her a platform in exchange for 16 years of her life- her debt to him is paid.
@@so_cal8057 Well said!
Ike used her and abused her. She had raw talent that she could have succeeded with someone else. Ike saw she was a trauma victim and used it to his advantage just like a predator would. No accolades in the music industry are worth trauma and abuse of an individual.
@@TheQueenIsWithin Tina Turner is a name and stage persona Ike Turner made up. She was executing his vision. He can't take credit for her natural talent but not all talented people get discovered. Tina was calculating and used Ike to her advantage. He used her as well. As I said, they both benefited from each other. Ike experienced his own trauma during his childhood. Tina wasn't a victim, she doesn't take accountability for her own actions. Judge Joe Brown said he witnessed her rage and violence towards Ike. That side of Tina isn't publicized because it doesn't fit her narrative. Tina never even started talking about abuse until she wanted to change her image for the sake of her career.
FOH don't kill your channel with this metoo bull
Love these domestic violence segments!