Could Lucy Letby Be Innocent?
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2024
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My husband was a quantity surveyor for a certain company contracted to the NHS during the building of a hospital in Coventry many years ago. I couldn’t believe some of the stories he’d told me about the absolute waste of hundreds of thousands of pounds on products which had been ordered incorrectly, didn’t fit or weren’t needed…..instead of returning to suppliers for refund, just disposed of as waste. These contractors are hiring companies which they are themselves aligned with, due to investment or production, so they work together to fleece the NHS. It’s very cleverly orchestrated and ingrained in the system, been going on for many many decades. It’s a cake for the taking because there’s no direct customer, it’s everybody’s and anybody’s.
As for Lucy letby, she’s been stitched up in order to avoid massive compensation claims by the families and to cover up mass failings within the hospital. They’re not understaffed in the NHS, just top heavy. When I was undoing treatment at Manchester universities hospitals, there was no shortage of nurses, some actually hovering around yapping. In my opinion, it’s unskilled, imported staff , who through no fault of their own, aren’t trained up properly, and have problems communicating. Their qualifications are not of a standard which would have been expected to work in nursing in the past. Gone to the dogs!……I hope Lucy gets her appeal and that particularly dodgy doctor, which was all over to doing interviews, gets seriously interviewed himself! ✌🏻👍🏼
I agree with a lot that you have said. I’ve been in hospital for quite a few weeks over the last few years. On the wards they are definitely not short of staff. Like you have already mentioned a lot of them chatting around the nurses station. Having positions like “housekeepers” which for some strange reason is a person who gives someone a ready made sandwich and a hot drink and takes your rubbish away. Why can’t the HCA dish out the sandwiches and drinks, and the domestics take the rubbish away? It’s shocking how much money is wasted on staff.
Occupational therapy and physiotherapists are another lot- spending most of their time gossiping and taking tea breaks.
I agree with everything you've said
@@missmuffet3874 yes at night no one is working all staff sleep. No staff so night shift. They only work a short week and get paid huge amounts. Such an easy job, no risks involved. If it’s so easy and your paid a fortune why don’t you do it. 2 Hr lunch breaks always get off early you’ll have a ball.
ive been dubious of the guilty verdict since she got it...
somethings not right!
i am on the maintenance side of these hospitals and i can assure you Corruption is rife ,even more so during covid
I've been interested in this case and I smell a cover up / scapegoat. Remember the post office scandal. Remember the tainted HIV blood cover up.
Hiv cover up , yes 😮
@@georgesowerby193 thousands of people, where given blood transfusions, with HIV blood.. Thousands died a horrible death.
the nhs tried to frame me after they killed my daughter.
We are living in a Political sewer.
We always have been.
And that's a bloody understatement. 👍
To say nothing of the LITERAL one in our lakes and reservoirs...
Sam you are spot on I gave the NHS almost 25 years starting with 1 nurse manager and 1 senior sister. Left the same department after all those years with 2 managers 1 secretary. 2 admin bosses with 1 sec and 3 senior nurses all doing the same job that 2 did in the same department, nursing numbers on the floor never increased once. Final push for me was when one of the new big bosses previously managed Tesco. I shit you not.
Were i work, we used to be a cooperative, we handled all the OOH GP visits etc, we had 4 drivers, 2 receptionists, 1 admin lady and our manager, well we got taken over by the NHS, first day we walked in after they took us over and there were 6 managers😂 2 had come from a bank, non had any OOH experience. All overtime was given to an agency ran by a managers friend and everyone who came through the agency all came from the family of that same manager. No wonder the NHS is on its knee's
@@cbrboy76 i can well believe it.
It's the same in all industries, all the managers are just blaggers who have no clue and palm the burden and blame as well as overworking the workers lower down
@@craigphillips9383 too true, but NHS managers are a special breed, i have worked with dickhead and incompetent managers in the private sector but the NHS ones are a few levels above, its the bullying that goes on with them, the levels of fraud etc and its all paid for by the taxpayer.
@@joanneclarke5588Tories
I’ve thought she was innocent from day 1. Always suspected she’s been ‘set up’
Mu mum was admitted to Royal Stoke during the pandemic and the first thing they did was put a DNaR on her without her consent. When I challenged the doctor he told me the reason for this was because she was old. She was 70 at the time. She had 9 falls on the ward. They overdosed her on benzos and opiates. There were other incidents of neglect and abuse. I wont be clapping for these bastards on my doorstep ever again.
Stokes aweful.i complained..my son had a epileptic fit.. n had a doorhandle ,as he fell, nearly go in his eye.. but got the side of his head..a v nasty wound..he literally collapsed onto his door that had something behind it.he was taken by ambulance to stoke n put in a wait area ..btw he was 19..n covid restrictions..he fell asleep on chairs with a head n neck injury..noone checked he was ok.its only when he rang me to say still not been seen ..i said go to the desk..they put he had walked out hours ago..the persons dealing with my complaint were rubbish..waste of time.
Again never clapped the first time...or had any other forced treatments...
I’m leaving the NHS after 14 years, you are sadly spot on Sam about the managers, I’m sick of it.
At least when a matron told us off we knew she once emptied bed pans. Delia Morris
Too much middle management and not enough people doing the crucial jobs. It should be totally restructured, it never used to be broken 30-40 years ago so go back to the old days with nurses, seniors and matrons .
@@Eleventhearlofmars Agree, spot on.
I left early too. And I am contemplating life abroad. The NYS has been bent, destroyed and corrupted by the TORY PARTY to line Their own pockets. Take a look how many have their dirty fingers in the pie or some allied pie that feeds from this corruption. Especially HUNTS FAMILY.
@@Eleventhearlofmars I worked for the NHS too and always found this to be true. I worked in bio-decontamination and often middle management would be more than nothing but a headache for ward staff, often requesting the wrong type of decontamination, reporting things incorrectly or booking me in for incorrect times. The poor nurses used to ask if there was a way they could directly contact me to eliminate the need to go through middle management but I wasn’t allowed to form a direct line of contact with them. By the time the message got to me that I’d been called on for a job it had gone through about five different people.
Because she’s been found guilty doesn’t mean she is
True.
Seemed about as fair as any medieval witch trial.
Wouldnt be saying that if it was a black nurse
@Pugilist928
You appear to be making a racist assumption. Which is as reprehensible as it is unfounded..
@@luckybag6814 I do agree with you, but you should understand the anger and frustration of people who see this type of bias occurring more and more today. So maybe give him some slack.
I wish I had the faith in the police and courts to be assured that this was a secure conviction....but I don't
Nor me!
@@cherylemmanuel744- Nor me!😢
Same, an ancient system, in a modern world, broken, corrupt, unfit for purpose.
I was a police officer (1979 - 2009) and even I have no faith in the police, least of all Magistrates and Judges. I have seen far too many miscarriages of justice for defendants and victims, including some police offers. The police authorities (DPS) actually treat some innocent officers terribly too. I am glad I am out. I will not respond to abusive comments either.
@scaryfakevirus thank you for your service 🙏 it's a shame decent officers like yourself have left
This is a difficult one. All the women in my family are nurses apart from my mother who’s retired now. They all say the same thing. They can’t budget ( the managers like expensive lunches at the golf clubs on a Friday). Also they cover everything up. My mother got racial bullied off the ward with her other white colleague by these African nurses. They moved my mother to a different ward. Her friend reported Jimmy Savile after what she see. They sent her to MK hospital.
Maybe she did do it but how many was her fault and how many were due to the management?? My family is saying she’s the fall girl for the mishandling of that ward.
I think so too!
Saw the same - covering up, whistleblowing was "encouraged" - only, it absolutely wasn't. Most people were too afraid to report on something really serious. And yes, the ever-increasing levels of management, while at grass roots we were constantly scratching around for the most basic of supplies.
There is something not quite right about this case . I think she was used as a scapegoat.
The girls innocent. She was convicted on "expert testimony" who said constantly throughout "in my opinion...." Opinion isn't good enough.
no chance shes evil there was loads of reasons
@@sunshinechild-sv9kc give me evidence
@@ant292uk the court did that not me im just telling you any idiot can see that all lines pointed to her
Retired hosp consultant here. I’ve seen staff stitched up many times, blamed for things that were an incident waiting to happen ( that had been raised and ignored), and blamed for things someone else did ( but they were a ‘minority’ so it would be racist to blame them). And when management go for someone their colleagues are too scared to support them. I’ve seen notes amended after the event ( but not documented as such) and i’ve seen emails altered ( always send anything important as a pdf or equivalent) i’ve witnessed people telling barefaced lies. The worst thing is no one cares that a patient has died or been harmed. The trust only cares if they can’t put it all on the clinical staff and it rebounds on them. They don’t even care if they get sued because the money comes out of a central nhs indemnity fund, not their pay or pension. Anyone wanting to work in the nhs really needs to reconsider.
Totally agree ....NHS Midwife of 40 yrs
I recall at least three babies dying in that hospital during this period when this nurse was not on duty.
No one's suggesting that she was responsible for every single death that occurred at the hospital
@@christopher_ecclestonethen if the babies were dying whether or not she was there, then why is she a murderer?
@@fernydyke Because a highly unusual amount of Babies died in unusual ways when she was on duty.
It's not difficult to understand really.
Why are you so sure she's innocent?
@@christopher_ecclestone babies were dying whether or not she was there. as soon as the hospital downgraded to a level i the deaths stopped. use common sense.
also the very same doctor who contributed to the medical paper about air embolism said the babies who died at the countess didn’t look like they suffered from it.
@@fernydyke The truth is, we don't know, but we have to trust all the people who were involved in the case, and the justice system.
There's a high bar for circumstantial evidence, and I trust it was met.
Has all the hallmarks of this case.
The Lucia de Berk case was a miscarriage of justice in the Netherlands in which a Dutch licensed paediatric nurse was wrongfully convicted of murder. In 2003, Lucia de Berk was sentenced to life imprisonment, for which no parole is possible under Dutch law, for four murders and three attempted murders of patients under her care. In 2004, after an appeal, she was convicted of seven murders and three attempted murders.
Her conviction was controversial in the media and among scientists, and it was questioned by the investigative reporter Peter R. de Vries. In October 2008, the case was reopened by the Dutch Supreme Court, as new facts had been uncovered that undermined the previous verdicts. De Berk was freed, and her case retried; she was exonerated in April 2010.
Source. Wikipedia.]
thank you for sharing this information
Dr Richard Gill, a statistician, demonstrated that the statistical evidence used against this nurse was invalid. He has reviewed the evidence against Lucy Letby and has come to the conclusion that she is innocent.
Listening to a Radiology Nurse, and her accounts of what happens, the NHS is a cess pit of mismanagement and cover-ups. The sheer waste of money is beyond shocking. People apply to work in the NHS so they can get away with not giving a sh*t, but still get paid for it. Not so much the ground staff, but all those wasters in management. Most of the jobs shouldn't even exist.
GP'S need to come out of hiding since covid they have not opened up. Patents unable to get appointment sometimes upto a week away, a phone call after 72 hours. These sick people unable to see their GP'S go to A&E yes you may have to wait but you will be seen by a doctor. Hospitals can't cope with the amount of people come through the doors, TIME GP'S WERE MADE TO OPEN UP THE SURGERY
GPs are only interested in doling out a certain medical intervention as they get for EACH and EVERY one the surgery hands out. Apart from that, with a few honourable exceptions, GPs couldn't give a crap about caring for people
Absolutely agree. GP surgery waiting rooms are always empty.
They want the 100K a year to play Golf!
I believe the unit was shut down after Lucy was charged so it's impossible to compare post Letby infant deaths to numbers while she was there. It makes it harder to tell if she was guilty or a scape goat but it does seem shady to shut down an otherwise perfectly good unit once the apparent cause of all the problems was removed.
100%
Not shut down. Demoted. The RCPCH REPORT 2017, done in 2016 utterly slated the consultants and the medical care. They praised Lucy for her professionalism and dedication but that paragraph had been redacted.
You have a very good point. If Lucy was truly the problem, why has the unit NOT RETURNED to its original status of level 2 care. That's easy to answer. Because NONE of the consultant could competently care for these tiny premature neonates. It was pure incompetence at a medical level that harmed these babies. That's my opinion as an retired midwife/nurse.
@@juenothing5432 The unit was then demolished.
One thing that struck me about this case was the extremely emotive reporting from the legacy media and the sheer level of hatred levelled against her. I have since heard enough to make me doubt her guilt. Something very odd about this case.
The NHS needs to look into the contracts they give out.
There's a company in Kirkby called Dams International.
They sell office chairs, sofas and dividing walls.
I worked there for a while and left due to my disgust over the NHS contract.
Chairs built from cheap parts from China, Vietnam or Congo.
Cost to make approx £20- sold for MINIMUM £250.
Thousands of new chairs every single week, at extortionate profits.
A lot of the chairs cost a lot more than the minimum too.
They've recently built a brand new state of the art premises with the profits from this contract alone which cost millions.
Wtf dude😡😡😡
And that's just 1 solitary contract. How many contracts do the NHS have with suppliers?
Suppliers know it's not a person's money, it's like free money that would only go to somebody else.
Then look at who dishes the contracts out??
Like the man City FFP charges.
Local council (at a bare minimum) MUST be involved as they own the stadium that the sheikh has spent tens of millions of his own cash on..... while at the same time, buying all the surrounding land cheap.
Land that the council had already "designated for desperately needed, affordable local housing".....
But instead is currently being turned into appartments and offices due to the close proximity to the city centre.
Earning the sheikh billions in the process.
There's some hefty brown envelopes being passed round there I tell thee.
Having been friends with a relative of one of the wrongly convicted Guildford Four suspects, who gave me in depth info at the time questioning the narrative (in fact disproving the official line) and remembering the Birmingham Six and how they were also stitched up, I am very reluctant to believe anything spoon-fed to us by the media. From those two cases alone that would have been ten innocent people "terminated" if we had had the death penalty. Really uncomfortable with this one.
They are the ones out in the open..look into kevin lanes case.and warren slaney who has done 33 years now and still no sign of getting out..both innocent
When an nhs unit is not functioning, get out of there as quick as you can because the nhs loves to find and accuse a scapegoat. I’ve seen it happen having worked in the nhs for 32 years.
I feel very uneasy about this case..there's not one gotcha moment in all of it..all hearsay and conjecture...
On the transcripts from Jon "Crime scene 2 Court" ......... ive heard the barrister "switch tracks" as if she was stealing perfume ................... Even as prosecution ............. i,m afraid you have to be fair
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And an expert witness sat with the judge ....... in my humble opinion
Looks like she was the scapegoat for those who were guilty of many failures
I honestly find it impossible to comment on Lucy Letby, I don't know enough about the case. What I am horrified to hear is the state of the NHS now. There are far too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Bring back the good old days when there was a matron on the wards. My mother worked in the local maternity unit in those days. I became aware à good few years ago when I was still in the uk, I knew someone who was recruited to a management position. He was made up, suddenly a super salary and laughing all the way to the bank. The stories about A & E units are shocking, I thank God that things function very well, at this time at least, in my own country. God bless you Sam ❤️
You go to A&E nowadays and it’s going to look like Islamabad thanks for your insight Sambo
Whats that got to do with this white woman murdering babies. Any excuse to blame migrants.
My Dentist unregistered me last week because I haven’t been for 2 years and told me to re-apply at the back of the 9000 patient queue!….wouldnt even make me an emergency appointment ……DISGUSTING …….i pay NI every week for 45 years but ended up paying a private Dentist £200 for 10 minute extraction…….
I had to rearrange an appointment well in advance as it clashed with another,they cancelled me 2 hours b4 the appointment and I've not been accepted back,the power of a dentist assistant over life and death is scary in 2024.
@@antonykirkwood7341 disgusting
My 16yr old son died because of their negligence and throughout the following investigations, they lied (all of them, nurses and management) and the cctv footage that would have proved I was telling the truth "disappeared" Two doctors did tell the truth, but it was not enough for me to proceed with my case against them (according to my solicitor, whose company received more than £400k from my insurance company and pressurised me to settle out of court for pennies)
The NHS and our legal system are no match for a single woman I can tell you!
I followed the trial daily, the prosecuting QC is a very experienced guy, put a good case together but for me, I question how she was defended too, because she wasn't really. There were no alternative interpretations of the purely circumstantial evidence against her put forward. There was no in-depth analysis of what procedures/ drugs/vitamins/vaccines these "pre term" babies had been given prior to ending up in her care. What are the known side effects? Where were the consent forms for any procedures they had, what risks were stated on the forms? These were very frail lives already. I can see why people think she was correctly found guilty, but for me, I don't believe it was proved beyond reasonable doubt.
I'll never use a doctor or a hospital ever again unless I'm carted off there unconscious, they terrify me!
if you look at what evidence there is out there of lucy letby case, there is no evidence i can see to blame lucy letby, it's just she was there and so she must have done something without any proof whatsoever, that's the extent of the whole case against her, i wish i was making it up but i'm not.
Bless all those babies that sadly passed away.
Tbh something just dosent sit right about this case.
I have doubts
I sat in the public annexe at Manchester Crown Court that had a videolink for the Letby trial last summer and having watched her be cross examined and having listened to closing statements from both prosecution and defence, I personally think she's guilty as sin
The NHS managers at that hospital certainly have questions to answer about why they failed to listen to senior doctors who kept raising the alarm about the unexpected and unexplained collapses on the neonatal unit
I think they used her as a scapegoat for their own incompetance.
Right from the outset, the very doctors who were the subject of a previous investigation over neonatal deaths at the hospital were recruited by police and became Lucy Letby's accusers.
How in any objective realm, do potential suspects assist the investigators of another suspect?
A retired medical doctor, Dewi Evans, who had already been discredited in a previous case, was permitted to act way beyond his expertise by engaging in flawed and unreliable investigative techniques and he did so at the request of Cheshire Constabulary.
We appear to have been asked to accept that the autopsy findings should be disregarded and replaced by interpretations of radiographs by individuals who had no involvement in the autopsies.
Before accusing Ms Letby of being England's most prolific child murderer you'd think one would at least need to re--examine the bodies.
Try reading the evidence and listening to her replies under cross examination and then say this.
To read the entire transcripts are impossible unless you have a million in the bank.
Reading the publicly available evidence is possible. My view is she has been hung, drawn and quartered by a dreadfully biased police investigation, aided by the very consultants criticised by the RCPCH report, done by medical professionals who could see through these consultants. This report praised Lucy for her professionalism and dedication. That paragraph is redacted now. However that's where the praise stopped. Poor medical care, poor medical staffing, dreadful input from consultants with JuST 2 ward rounds a week to plan, implement and supervise clinical care of our most vulnerable patients.
I could go on. But for non medical professionals, there is not the same level of understanding.
Ive said from day one there is more to this and more involved ! I also believe someone has deliberately used here fragile and weak mental state as a cover cor this . There were far far too many " in my opinions " this case needs FACTS not opinions. Families have lost their babies and will to this day be suffering unimaginable pain and suffering . If lucy is innocent she too will be in a living hell , surrounded by people she would never have associated with . On the subject of the nhs - my ex partner has recently had a baby .... In a hospital corridor! What the hell has happened to this nation ? When i was growing up , adults didnt stand for what we are putting up with , everyone is more concerned with pronouns and not offending anyone! My kids are 6 and 9 , what the hell are their lives going to be like in 15 years ?! Ive complelty had enough , but what so i do ? Stand up like Tommy Robinson amd destroy relationships with everyone around me , make my kids lives difficult, and thats no slight on Tommy, hes got balls the size of Britain. Things need to change 🏴✌️
Cover up?
Ow do Sam from Auckland , New Zealand . the Letby case is more than disturbing indeed
I truly believe that our legal, police & judicial system is very deeply flawed & has a huge credibility issue.
The NHS is just one of our public services infested with DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion) which basically means bugger hiring the best person for the job, hire the one who ticks the most boxes on the diversity scorecard. This case was iffy from the get go, I think she's been stitched up basically because she's white and English.
They are imported straight from Africa. Trouble is sometimes basic hygiene is not understood by some of them. Wiping their nose on their sleeve, coughing without putting their hand over their mouth etc.
She never murdered those babies! The unit was rancid and should have been condemned. LL will have to hide for the rest of her life ..wether she's let out, or stays inside 😢
modern justice! Trial by media, I pray someone has the guts to come forward with the truth, someone who was or is too frightened at this moment in time but one thing im certain of is that somewhere there'll be a few NDAs signed to keep the truth in the dark
She's staying put, trust that.
It’s appalling that with a case of such magnitude that she hasn’t got an automatic right of appeal.
Since day one i've had a gut feeling that she was stitched up.
I still go back to her ex doctor lover for some reason.
As for hospitals,i worked a few weeks doing traffic management directly outside of the local A&E and the inpatients was absolutely crammed daily and let's not forget that paramedics have to stay with the patient until a bed is available.
Yes i agree with you calling out the useless clowns in hospital management as the lot need sacked as they're the one's pulling the strings for the government by destroying the NHS through blatant lies.
Let's not forget we never have had a bed shortage apart from the wards being locked or beds removed to keep their lie of shortages going as they want it put into a situation whereby they can sell the lot off to line their own pockets at our expense..
Once we hand over a patient in A&E to a doctor we are free to leave, it's not possible for us to stay with a patient for hours on end we have other calls we need to attend.
@@JOHANNA-qd6iz I was told by many of the ambulance crews they had to stay until a bed was available so maybe different rules in different places or maybe some hospitals are busier than others.I can only go off what i was told and from seeing ambulances parked up often for quite sometime before those stretchers went back in
@@JOHANNA-qd6iz- the ambulance sat outside A & E for hours until my relative could be taken into A & E.
You need to study all the evidence against her. Ridiculous comment to make.
@@mjhhoward91 If it was as you say she'd have no grounds for any appeal but i wonder if you are maybe the type to re-convict the Guildford four as their case was also circumstantial..Evidence is simply what they say it is;Fact..
Something never felt right about this to me... I just didn't get psycho vibes off her. I wonder what the psych evaluations said about her? You don't kill like that if she did without some kind of personality disorder.
Didnt get psycho vibes? Looking up parents on facebook, bringing notes home and writing journals above how evil she is not enough for you?
@@Pugilist928 The facts are she rarely looked parents up on facebook, she took handover notes home - this is often done usually because you just forget you have them. The notes she wrote are termed reflective notes which nurses are encouraged to write - they were misrepresented at trial.
Usually something will come out afterwards about the persons character being weird or past history but there has been absolutely nothing. Another thing I've done jury service twice and I found out of the 12 only about 5 are vocal, others don't want to be there. That was only for a week or 2 imagine a 10 month trial. Very dodgy conviction imo
Broken Britain, I have to return after 32 years and dreading it.
I can imagine, I've been away for over 20 years and now have dual nationality. No way would I go back now 😬
Suspected stroke wait in ambulance 6 hours... NHS being destroyed from the inside by Gov... Stinks of healthcare privatisation... Great vid Sam.
@garlicandchillipreppers8533-God help you 🙏
@@GrumszyMy ex brother in law had a nasty fall and he waited something like 12 or 14 hours for the ambulance also, I had to call 111 one afternoon cause I literally had a very hard job breathing because of my COPD and the woman on the end of the phone said I can hear you struggling to breathe so I’m gonna put it down has a emergency and believe it or not I waited just under a hour, and that was under a emergency call, it was a bloody good job my breathing came back to me within the hour, it’s just unbelievable and it’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better, my personal opinion about it all is, very soon we’re gonna have a global war unfortunately but, believe me it’s coming mate.
So I understand exactly what you’re saying and I think everything will be privatised in the near that’s if we don’t have a global war, I live in a council bungalow because I disabled myself many years ago working on the buildings and when I first moved into my bungalow, I had to have one of the council workers come out and fix the electrical fire, and she told me that there was absolutely nothing in the storage units not even any smoke alarms and I swear to you I’m being totally honest with everything I’ve put in this comment to you and, you would seriously think that smoke alarms was a priority but, not even one smoke alarm was the local council’s storage units, and I read somewhere online and I heard in a little documentary that they reckon 37 local council’s will go bust this year alone and in the next 5 years they are predicting that 127 local councils will go bust and out, I just don’t know what the hell is going on I really don’t but, whatever it is, it’s not gonna be very good at all.
Take care of yourself buddy from Stevie boy in the West Country.
@@Grumszywell let’s be honest it can’t get much worse
She was set up.
There's a growing movement of people who feel she could be innocent, intelligent , professional legal minds.
Anything is possible, what a miscarriage if she isn't guilty , to be tarnished as a serial killer of babies.
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My ex was a colleague of letby . i was aware of something unusual going on in 2015 , my ex often said the unit they worked on was not fiit for purpose and ran marathons to raise money for the unit , i think something dodgy has happened and a cover up
Who responsible? That Doctor
Lucy is not guilty of harming babies in her care. The scientific evidence used to convict her does not stand up to scientific scrutiny.
Yes of course women don't do that sort of thing do they? especially if they look sweet If a man had been doing that job any death in the ward would have aroused suspicion.
@@Comfortzone99 It's nothing to do with being male or female. It's about truth and justice, what's right and wrong, and if care failings, for all the obvious, well documented reasons, are the problem, which I believe they are.
@@julieyates405 I am a retired senior nurse and I agree with you. Neither the scientific or the circumstancial evidence stand up to scrutiny.
@@francishooper9548 There's a lot of us, nurses, doctors, scientists and more who find it hard to comprehend how a case was built on hypothesis and speculation, so long after the event, involving an 'expert' who should not have been engaged at all! It's tragic!
I certainly do not believe Officialdom and the fault of that lies with them. In any case, all evidence needs to be heard as with any incident. If we allow them to cover everything up with some Headlines or supposed evidence without a thorough hearing in front of a Jury then we deserve all we get.
Nine other babies died when she wasn’t on shift ! She’s been stitched
Don't talk shit she kill 7 baby's om her shifts and try to kill 9 more
no chance shes evil, there was loads of damning evidence
@@sunshinechild-sv9kcexactly
Lucy wrote notes about what she did
of course others unfortunatlty loose life,, but a shed load all did when she was working her shifts, and simple math higlighted a major pattern and problem
The McCann's are a example of what lurks in the NHS
It’s not if you’re guilty or not it’s how good your lawyer is, see Geoffrey Archer and Ken Dodd for details
I don't think she is guilty
I think she could be innocent too, im stuck between the 2
Well with her nothing personal to her .She is either got to be wholly innocent or fully guilty .There must be no room for half measures. I truly don't know which one but would be good to know +understand more fully .Best wishes to all 🌹
Why is she not guilty then? If she isn't why on earth did them babies die and if she isn't guilty who is?
Strange how she gets not guilty for 6 charges but guilty of another 6. Surely she done the lot or she never. Very strange verdict 😮
It won’t be the first time that the events were made to fit the narrative people always want someone to blame
It’s a weird one because Letby doesn’t fit the psychopath or sociopath, she had a long time job and friends, close connections. To do the things she’s meant to do you couldn’t do it without being one.
Always had my doubts about this case Sam well done for bringing it to our attention
Thank you for producing this video!
hi sam its nice to see you hope doing ok saw a news article on this yesterday my heart goes out to victims family's thanks you for sharing your thoughts on this topic its really important
It's shocking the state of the NHS ....as someone suffering with leukemia my journey with the NHS has been appalling. The nurses , porters and administration staff have been great but some doctors have talked to me like a child, condescending....if the NHS was a stand alone business it would fail today. Are there some absolutely amazing people yes but are they stressed to f@ck ...tired and over whelmed..100% YES. It's run by self serving people who don't recognise this as a care / health service anymore. The procurement process is a joke ....millions wasted on contracts they could easily 1/4 or half by renegotiation but it's all about profits, side hustles and whatever the modern day version of "brown envelopes" is.
Yeah I dont think shes responsible NHS is
Brilliant one this Sam!
I’ve always believed she is innocent
The notion of her being innocent is FAR more credible than the current, deeply flawed narrative set by the ‘official trusted’ people. There are a myriad of unanswered questions and there needs to be a full and proper enquiry into this whole sorry matter.
Spent a whole night at A & E last year with my fiancé while they failed to do the relevant tests, and sent her home without a diagnosis for the severe headaches she had been experiencing for months. Went back a week later and made sure they did the tests, only to be told she had incurable cancer. She was Dead less than 2 weeks later. To even get seen by a Real Doctor you need to be triaged by a receptionist, then a nurse and then wait for hours in less than acceptable conditions, well unless you are of the religion who can shout racial discrimination, in which case you are moved to the head of the queue.
Hi Sam x
The NHS is a complete shambles,I’m supposed to have cancer checkup operations every three months,because of the doctors and nurses strike’s it’s been over six months since my last operation. I was told to turn up at 7-30 prompt in the morning,I was there at 7-15 am and was immediately changed ready for the procedure and told I would be first down and they would go and get a wheelchair for me ready to go,the next thing the nurse walked in and said someone else had to be taken first,two and a half hours later I was still sat there,I’m diabetic and had had nothing to eat or drink for eleven hours. My son who is my carer was with me and I said get me dressed I’m going home,the last time I went in the same thing happened and was about to leave when they turned up to take me for the operation at 12-30 pm after sitting there for over five hours and having nothing to eat or drink for 14-5 hours and told them then I wouldn’t be doing it again and I meant it. The staff were wonderful and tried their best to get me to stay but I refused and went home saying I’m done being messed around and went home,nobody has contacted me from the hospital to ask why I had left,that will be five days tomorrow,I think the next thing will happen is the consultant will write to my GP telling him what I did and that further treatment will be withdrawn and that’s when the shit will really hit the fan.
I have grave concerns around this conviction. You make a good point about the reluctance of professionals to come forward as defence witnesses. The medical profession is a small world.
From day dot.. i always believed she was a scapegoat.. taking the fall for the consultants and the nhs elites.. im not afraid to say.. " Free Lucy Letby "
She was used as a scapegoat by them to cover up something?? I am praying to St Ivo 😢
Never felt right to me.
If she's innocent, those responsible for ruining her life should be jailed for life and Lucy given massive compensation
Thank you for this video and for being open-minded about this case, which a growing number of people consider to be a terrible miscarriage of justice. The podcast on Spotify - 'We need to talk about Lucy Letby' - presented by Peter Elston and Dr Michael McConville is essential listening regarding this case. (I tried putting the link, but the comment disappeared - due to you-tube, no doubt.)
It doesnt matter whether she is 'innocnet'. The fact is that she is NOT GUILTY.
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Thanks Sam xx
The openness of this video is good for public opinion, thanks for posting
It’s a lot cheaper to run a murder trial (and doctors can’t be convicted of murder) than a medical negligence case x this many and I listened to a podcast about this on Doc malik last year and it made me think about how this could be a very unsafe conviction and the professional witness just turned up to court
well said sir.
I remember thinking at the time of the trial, this is the only time in my long life I have seen a murderer convicted and sentenced on statistical probability, no other evidence offered because there wasn't any. I was amazed. Good job we don't have capital punishment. It turned out there was a very similar case in the Netherlands (?) and the nurse was jailed but released on appeal because she didn't do it. I hope she rots If she's guilty but for me the case against her was guilty until proven innocent.
Good morning hope your ok and the dog , 🐕🐕 great words you have spoken
Hi Sam…been a while since I watched your vids…il have to start watching again…always a great watch….hope your well mate 🙌
Another belter Sam
Hit the nail on the head, you can throw as much money as you want at the NHS and you will still have what you experienced becsuse all that extra money would be gobbled up by greedy mansgrrs on the gravy train, give a dept an extra couple of million and the managers first response is not "what can we do for the dept and patients" its "great i can hire more managers" the NHS will not improve until that layer of waste is gotten rid off.
Have you seen the state of our police? It’s no people question outcomes.
I don’t know if she did or didn’t…but the trial was not fair
The moment I heard of this I called bullshit and she was set up
I’ve worked as a mechanical engineer that was contracted by the NHS we were always led to believe that the biggest expense was closing the part of the hospital we were working on. And over ordering was something you would have to do as a insurance not to put a hold on the project and whenever the job comes to fruition it would be something of a perk like you can always take it home or it’s going into the skip .And I am talking on a small scale
Guilty or innocent, her defence was useless.
Spot on Sam……this country is broken
LL case was all circumstantial evidence, no DNA, that in itself is a worry ....
How many murders are solved on circumstantial evidence? All of them?
@@paulis8107 One is too many ….
And how would DNA evidence help?
Having followed trial closely.and worked in similar area in nhs for 40 yrs .I firmly believe she is NOT guilty .
I also question behaviour of the consultants ..they had a duty of care to each baby .should have gone to police directly if believe there was a crime and lives at risk .
Just got out of hospital yesterday the N HS is great sadly underfunded but the staff truly amazing ,get rid of of useless management my wife works in A and E she is a great person the young staff look at he a the mun 25 year on A and E have a great weekend mate and a great year there should be more of you on you tube great word once again
Agreed💯‼️give the missus a hug from me. X
Ive asked this before and nobody could answer me, was she the only one with nothing to lose ? She lived a single life alone, she was the only child to her parents, she has no kids, no marriage, probably no morgage and it would be easy for the rest to fit the blaim on her without having to worrie about destroying people close to her like husband or kids. It would be intresting to know the the backstory of every person who worked on that ward with her.
Interesting thought. That also means she had fewer people to fight back, I remember some people being outraged that her father spoke up for her at one meeting. Who else did she have? The doctor who said he'd trust her with his own kids also turned on her and stuck with colleagues later - as well as seeking anonymity at the trial.
Good to see ya Sam 👍
1:46 but the families are suffering in ignorance, through anger and false resentment to an innocent woman. They're suffering if they thought they got justice for their babies, when in fact it's no justice at all.
Living a lie is no consolation for loss. It doesn't benefit anyone.
We can only blame this useless government for the mismanagement of the nhs. They’ve had 14 years and look at the state of play. Not saying the other side will be any better but something needs to drastically change
I don't believe this was a safe conviction. It was a particularly motive subject and the NHS/Press/Public wanted someone to blame, and she wasn't given a 'fair' trial. I'm not saying she is innocent, as I don't know, I'm just saying that they needed someone to blame, and let's face it there wasn't much in the way of evidence, and was her defence team really up to the challenge faced by the most persuasive counsel the state could call on ?
My mate was in styal with this once nurse she totally thought she was innocent still does...