2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia QV First Impressions | Change is Not Always Good!
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Hello from New Zealand! Just put a deposit down for a ‘21 Giulia QV. Can’t wait!
Having had a 2019 base Q4 and then a 2020 Ti Q4, all these changes seem to apply to the non-QV models as well. The pre-2020 cars have lighter and slightly faster steering, there’s more difference between the drive modes, and the car feels younger, more agile, more memorable to drive. The 2020 is quieter, feels more solid, has more tech, better brake feel, and slightly more comfortable ride, but feels heavier in corners. For a non-QV, I think the best middle ground for luxury and sport is a late summer 2019 built Ti Lusso with adaptive suspension, painted calipers, and rosso/rosso competizione exterior - a comfortable interior but still with the pre-2020 sharp steering, light nimble feel, and sporty looks an Alfa should have 🔥
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Good to know. 😎👍👍❤️
Thank you for this excellent review. You do a better job than the journalists, they dont seem to know much about cars these days. I love how you point out the details. You definately influenced my choice, i think I will buy a 2.0tb Guilia 2020 onwards model now, was considering earlier models for the price but these improvements sounds awesome. Enjoy this fantastic car. Unfortunately, its probably going to be the last petrol Alfa. That makes me sad
Another reason to get the newer ones: the driving assist features.
Excellent video - As always. Gotta say, your content about Alfa is truely helpful to any Alfisti that wants to know more about their car from a fellow Alfisti that truely knows his / her car.
Great to hear your thoughts having owned two models!
my '21 Stelvio Ti Sport 2.0...I absolutely LOVE the dbw brakes. Phenomenal machine.
I don't trust break by wire or any drive by wire. Not only because there is no physical connection. It can be hacked by some I'll meaned crazies.
There is a reason NASA employers drive old cars from the 60's and 70's with no chips. Modern cars won't drive anymore after an EMP attack.
Direct injection will usually give a bit more power and better throttle response. Port will spray into the manifold and will clean the housing/valves to prevent that sludge you mentioned. Running Seafoam through a DI intake manifold will usually clean up the performance but can clog Cats. Installing an Oil Separator will keep it all clean.
thanks for posting I do notice a difference in power delivery its not as snappy at the 18 car.
The fact that you bought another QV and not a German car is a testament to this Brand.. This is an essential video to anyone looking to buy a car that is not an SzzzzUV. Imagine the re-released the manual version in a stripped down cheaper QV model..
Hey, @AF! Great to see your comparison video. I know this is the first of many to come. You’ve coached me through my 2017 and I still enjoy the car every single day. Only about 16,500 miles on it, as I work from home. I have many of the mods you have on your 2018. I have the Centerline X-pipe, air filter, and I have an ECU upgrade provided by Fabspeed Motorports. Local dealer is taking care of me and doing warranty work around the tune (which is why I got the tune). Runs super strong. I really hadn’t entertained getting into a new one, but you have me second-guessing myself now. Factory warranty ends Jan. 2022. It was SO difficult for me to find a Trofeo White with Dark Tecnico wheels. Anyways, always appreciate your thoughts. Thanks, my Man.
with the issues mine had and my warranty was up soon i decided to make the switch. i love the new 2021 especially the color and the improvements are great except the steering weight in D and Race which I really do not like. If you drive the cars back to back its a noticeable difference in steering. Lets see when my coilovers come and i set the car up the way I like it how it responds.
@@autofanaticcars as always, appreciate your insights and thank you for your dedication to the QV! Best-in-class car reviews no matter what you touch.
Extended warranty? Why is that foreign to people.
I’ve been searching for 2018-2019s for the past few weeks primarily thanks to you. Regarding the ride height, I’ve looked at a handful of QVs that are lowered. None of that was factory?
the 17 cars sit about the same as my 2021 the 18s were like 4X4 it was awful
That the car is a "hell of a lot quieter" = negative, right there! With this car you win some, you lose some. Either/ Or the Guilia Quadrafolio is an awesome car.
Really a wonderful comparison. Enjoyed watching the video and learnt many things. Thanks again..
Glad you enjoyed it!
The side windows are full safety glass like the front windshield. The thin plastic like layer you feel is called Saflex and keeps the glass fragments from flying all over the place in the event of a crash. Like double sided tape.
yes for sure but the new cars are 1mm thicker as the intro of this video confirms, I know when I had the 2021 Veloce loaner car( i did a video months back) that the car was so quiet inside and I later realize the glass. It would be nice if Alfa let everyone know on all these little changes.
Larry Dominique, head of Alfa Romeo NA reported in a podcast that Alfa has fixed a lot of things at the factory and also made improvements to the car. His background is engineering so Alfa is in good hands. Considering the Giulia is only 5 years from the drawing board, it is a wonderful car and keeps getting better in Customer Satisfaction Index and service reliability index.
Well, starting in N mode seems like a logical move, considering that you would almost always begin your drive from some kind of parking space (garage, parking loot etc.) with no need for D or Race, so starting it slow and in N mode seam reasonable.
See in my Audi I can start and drive the car in a comfort setting with the exhaust on loud. That's where this system falls short compared to other systems. I also can start and drive my car with the exhaust quiet but the suspension on track mode. This is the same with BMW, Porsche and Benz.
I got a call from my dealer asking me to trade for a 22. I told them I love my 19 and will not be trading it anytime soon.
keep what you have if your enjoying it the 22 model year is going to be limited on options and lots of things are no longer avail like the red stitching, CCB, carbon exposed roof and someone reported even the alcantara is not going to be on the seats.
@@autofanaticcars What? They're taking away alcantara seats??
@@autofanaticcars Thank you. Great advice. I will for sure keep it now. Great video and intel.
Seems to me the pre 2020 models will become sought after.
Great vid on comparing pre and post refresh models. Used to own 159 Ti in exact same Alfa Rosso color. Loved it. Hope by the time of the next refresh of Giulia I'd be able to afford one in that same color with those rims in Veloce trim.
Like. Subscribed. Thanks.
Now imagine if all this newer better tech was found in the early cars…I think that would of changed the game drastically. Just the new touchscreen is miles and miles ahead of the first gens.
yeah i agree some complained that the new touch is slow but so far mine works great. It still would have been better if they allowed you to adjust the steering effort for these modes to bring the steering feel back to the earlier cars which I prefer.
@@autofanaticcars yes if only they changed the infotainment system on earlier models and this it, keep the raw feeling, quick steering, but add some sound insulation as you said it helps it sound much better! The brakes I find great on mine, but maybe it didn’t apply much to the CCB?
@@autofanaticcars the funniest part of this is that you actually think the Giulia looks better than the competition. The Jaguar XE looks better to most people, oh by the way sales confirm this.
the audio does sound better, did you lease or finance this new giulia?
Thx for this review. Appreciate all you do.. helps a lot.
Always great feedback and perspective 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I’m jealous of those performance pages on the touch screen! Is the CF gauge cluster cowel oem?
Great details on the comparison. May consider a switch to thd latest QV next year.
it's far better built and refined which is great. I also notice when washing the car the water does not pour out from under the doors for hours like my 2018 did which means the seals are upgraded. when you shut the door on my 2021 it feels more solid
Nice summary. 2021+ cars more daily friendly then before with slightly less edge. For me a positive as I have all extreme vehicles for the other edgy missions. I have ordered a 2024 with mechanical LSD and more digital dash. But stil tolerable. I will daily the car. In Europe we got so many requlations and sound even more affected in 2023. Those engine changes you mention are mainly also emission driven. We will see :-) Great pricing in our country for a new one though.
At some point, I will own one of these amazing cars.
You can do it, just got invited to borrow the Giulia QV of a family friend for a couple days, hoping to buy a Veloce Ti next year!
Me too. Once I have money, this is a no-brainer.
When I picked up my 2021, I was expecting the brakes to be horrible, and when they weren't, I was wondering what the big deal was that everyone was complaining about. I couldn't find any info if they re-tuned the system for the 2020 re-fresh, but you confirmed that the system has indeed been re-tuned to act better.
Before I bought the 2021, I did test drive a used 2017, and when I launched in race mode, the tail definitely wagged. The 2021 does not do that. I also feel that the low end power seems slower when launching from a stop. Must be the fuel pump change that you mentioned. I wonder if that hampers the 3.9 0-60 time now.
Since I never owned an older model, I can't comment on the steering. But, since this is my first performance car, the steering is certainty better than my other car, a lousy 300hp Acura.
I'm really interested in what you're going to do with the exhaust. Are you thinking about going with the Akrapovic exhaust, or getting something custom made? There's a custom exhaust place near me in Trenton, NJ that will make any size, shape, and material exhaust. Thinking about getting a quote for a titanium exhaust with X-pipe.
the early brakes were horrible, lunging in traffic, irregular pedal feel and modulation it was very hard to get use to but with all the pad swaps i did it truly helped
Where are you getting that 3.9 second 0-60 figure from? Car&Driver was hitting 3.6 seconds in real world testing on a non-prepped surface in a 2022 QV.
The filter in european models is a gasoline particulate filder (GPF, also named OPF Otto particle filter).
With newer European Union emissions rules the gasoline vehicles have to comply to the same particulate emission limit of diesel vehicles (before was 10 times higher than diesel vehicles limit).
it seems the EU is about the nix the gasoline engine way before the USA and rest of the world unfortunately
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So should I keep my 18? I don’t know if I could deal with less fun
if the car is problem free and you are happy with your dealer support keep what you have, my situation was very different.
@@autofanaticcarsI have a question: When you owned and drove your Bimmer, did you missed the Giulia? Like, this is good, but it's no Giulia?
Great breakdown and review. I am not in the position to buy a 21 plate but I can afford a 17/18 plate. Manual is my preference. Reliability is my fear. It's killing the resale market in Europe.
get an 18 with a warranty and youll love it
They changed suspension components, new uprights and some other part changed. Agreed the early cars are more raw, new car is nice but I do prefer the early myself. ;)
il further investigate this soon
@@autofanaticcars I will see if I can get you some info. Part numbers changed for many suspension parts. Springs I believe are same as 2017. Can you confirm for me color code on both front and rears? You know how to get a hold of me. ;)
Steering rack, lower control arms, and the front knuckles have been changed for 2020 and onwards. These parts are not interchangeable with previous years. So it would explain the different feeling of the front end/steering.
thanks for confirming this so this confirms everything so far since owning the car over a week. You would think all the big automotive channels would have mentioned this but of course not they are clueless.
I recently bought a used 2018 QV with only 9k miles and two years left on the warranty. It is completely stock now but if you could make just one performance-related modification (that isn’t too expensive and wouldn’t mess with the warranty), what would you choose?
Get it to a track and learn to drive it
Great, thorough vid as always. I've got a '17 w 28k miles.... The "check brake pad" light went on two weeks ago. Dealer checked it out and said I've got about 30% left in front and 50% in rear. Suggested changing pads n rotors in front to tune of ~ $1,300I w surprisingly little of that for labor. I'd say my drive style in somewhat moderate... Not aggressive by any means and I'm not a heavy braker (everything is stock). Does that seem a little soon for that repair? Also, what pads do you recommend? love your vids for yrs now. Any improvements to navigation in the '21? Cheers!
i did lots of brake pads videos on this channel pick up the EBC yellow or HAwk 5.0 and look into some Girodisc rotors
Was looking to upgrade from my 17 to a 21 but after watching your video I'm not sure I want to anymore 😅
keep your 17
@@autofanaticcarsAha! 😉
Great comparison. Now that you have a fresh start, it will be fun to see what mods you pull over from you 2018 and what mods you do differently. Definitely Looking forward to what you think about the KW coil overs as I’m consider for my 2018. Are you you going to add spacers and switch out rear control arms to the adjustable ones like I seem to recall you doing on the 2018? Or wait and see what happens with the KW coil overs?
They need to add you to their design team
i wish problem is car companies are not run by enthusiast these days just corporate accountants which is why brands are going in the wrong direction for us enthusiasts.
even if the analog feeling is partly gone. it's the perfect daily driver and great fun for the money. Also in the model year 2021. A car for connoisseurs.
Something Alfa is doing is making running changes to improve the machine, doing what most other manufacturers don't do. It's like take what you got, nothing's going to change.
Bronx River Pwky. Love the pool table like road surface…😉
the BRP is ok but still very broken up still 20 years back it was my favorite road but after all the bad winters of the last few years its ruined in most sections
The lower end of the Merritt Pkwy. is my favorite of these roads. I live in New Hampshire now, originally from Penssylvania where my parents still live and frequently visit. I just got my first ALFA the 2020 TiSport Q4 about a month ago. Unfortunately I picked this past Friday night to come down and the traffic was so bad I couldn't thoroughly enjoy the Pkwy, hopefully the return ride'll be better. The improvements are in the 2020 Ti Sport level car where they're applicable. I am starting to get used to the brake pedal actuation going by distance pressed like it's a potentiometer and not the feel of pressure. It still sometimes feels though like the car is trying to guess what I want and changes its reaction.
3:00 not just that, but they also inserted an aditional filter in the exhaught, again bc of regulations. You can tell on the upshifts it doesnt *burp* as much an its less noisy overall.
Also there are reports they silently removed the CF roof as standard, now its an added extra. Another downside is that the newer models use a SGW fireweall, so u need to install a bridge to do any mods.
But ofc the new model has an updated UI and console, plus most of the quality of life options in the original model are now standard.
So its a give and take
the new cars all have carbon roofs but they are painted body color now. they deleted many options for 2021-2023 such as the carbon exterior package, yellow brake calipers, CCB brakes were gone in end of 2019, red interior accents etc this is for the North American market not sure about Europe and other countries.
Please continue making videos for this car. We really appreciate them. I’m also in the market for one. Test drove an 18 yesterday and noticed everything you had said in your prior videos. Thanks again!
Am i the only one sitting here going… “67 degrees?? It’s 9:30am here in Houston and it’s already a real feel of 95”
the day i shot this video at 5am it was 45 then it warmed up to high 60s
Man Phil your roads look more beat up that ours in Sacramento!
The big advantage of the later cars, 2020-, is the port injection in addition to direct, reduces carbon build up.
I am thinking of swapping my 2018 stelvio Ti for a Quad. But I get me best thrills from the 4C.
I think that port injection is present from 2019 and before the mild facelift for the European versions
The Gasoline Particulate Filter (GPF) is rather a rumour, it's not yet confirmed yet confirmed, as far as I know. The Quadrifoglio's engine was modified in 2018 from direct injection to combined port and direct injection (Euro6B -> Euro6D transition). E6D particulate emission restrictions for petrol engines applies only to vehicles with direct injection engines so it would be a bit strange to me if they would install a GPF to MY21 Giulia Q-s
Yes, open exhaust without Race Mode! Thank you Alfa Romeo!
New Alfas have sound boost coming from the speakers when you go into D mode. You can disable that by unplugging the mic under the hood, but they have this and the older ones didn't.
When I compared my 17 QV to my 18 QV, the 17 felt faster. It was probably in my head. Any thoughts regarding the aforementioned when comparing the 18 to the 21?
my 18 felt snappier for sure the different fuel injection system and the programming of the car is way different.
I honestly thought you would go for the gtam but the qv is the car I’ve been interested in for a while
i tried to import one but you can not make the GTA street legal in the USA so it was too much trouble just to have a show car or track only car
@@autofanaticcars oh that sucks
Mine came with a mooching neighbor named Manny Jenkins. Fit and finish could be better. Mine was actually taken off the line for QC but they still missed a couple of minor annoyances like a dashboard speaker that rattles.
I guess you need TWO Giulias!
A 2017 stickshit with carbon buckets, and ceramics and another 2021 with the 8AT, comfort seats and regular brakes 🤣
i have two QV ha ha ha now i need to decide which one to sell and which one to keep I love them both
Hey, was looking into a 21 Alfa Romeo stelvio for a 3 year lease. Really like the car but concerned about reliability. Any issues with reliability over your 2 year ownership? Thanks
depends did you watch my last video> my 18 was great for over 2 years then water leaked and the car just was never the same with lots of electrical problems
Check out his last video💡
I think the geometry of the suspension was changed so the ackerman effect is no longer there...the skipping on full lock..but it is a price to pay and that is high speed corner stability..small but there is...
i really want to get my new car on an alignment rack ASAP to check the geometry at static settings it def must be changed and so many people complained about the front tire scrub i must have received thousands of emails in 2 years off my videos they must have got tired of all the complaints and just changed it.
My Dec 20 build MY 21 QV still has the Ackerman effect when reversing the car while in left or right when the tyres are cold. It is winter here in New Zealand and we are getting 4/5C morning temperatures. My front door glass is also the thicker version that you have noted but I find my (first) QV still quite noisy in the cabin compared to other cars I drive. Alfa may have more work to do on sound proofing yet. My car is less than four months old and done more than 7,000 miles already. My car will be a high mileage unit because I recently retired and have the time to drive it on longer trips almost every week.
thanks for posting so it seems 2021 builds is where they ruined the entire front end feel. I will have a new video soon showing the two cars and the differences because I miss driving my 18 more each day.
@@autofanaticcars If you post some pics of what has changed on the front end I can take a wheel off and compare. My MY21 (Dec 20 build) car may be one of the last of the original front ends that suffers from the Ackerman effect, scrubs its tires and is (apparently) better at high-speed (race track) cornering.
Hi Philip that video might be posted on Saturday as I am still working on putting it together and i appreciate you taking the time to also check your very own car after you see my new video
It would default before to whatever mode you were in last. Now it goes back to N automatically
the thicker side windows: perhaps the acoustic glazing option for the windscreen as well as the driver and passenger side windows for 500 € / USD? here in Europe you can order it or deselect it.
seems all new models in the USA have this glass now even the base models
They really need to update that info-panel. In the Stelvio we had, it was ridiculously laggy and slow
I honestly don't understand why Alfa really lags behind the competition here. They don't have to reinvent the wheel, FCA already has the correct infotainment product, just put it in the Alfa!
Veloster N let's you touch the screen to adjust perf settings as well🏁🏁
Although it looks unique and refined i seen a chrysler 200 i think it was with the same curvature same front. I thought it was the guilia rolling up but not it was a chrysler. Kinda turned off lol. As for me as i was contemplating this car, I think at the price point i would go with the panamera. I priced the new guilia at around 90k.
do you know if all of these changes apply to the Stelvio QV too? I was dead set on a 2021 Stelvio QV but may go for 2019 now.
I can not confirm the changes on the Stelvio but best bet is go drive both back to back if you can. the new car is still great in ever regard and much better built and more refined package for the masses
No rattles from my 2018 three years on.
“…for fuel economy, that’s boring man, that’s not what I’m all about…” 3.58mm -> 4.52mm is 21% thicker glass (poop, less visceral sound). “It kind of takes the edge off the car, which I really don’t like”. - so the question remains, more refined or more visceral, keep the the red car or the black car?
wait til you see my next video on Saturday because this new trick i made on the red car made a HUGE difference up front. I am keeping it hush because I just backordered the parts to keep in stock and sell to other enthusiast with these cars.
Any specific reason they changed the engine cover shape from the earlier models? Also, any other engine bay differences and/or any differences in the plastic aero fins underneath the ‘18 versus ‘21?
there are mechanical changes to the engine and fuel injection and most likely the reason for the engine cover change
They should of kept the exhaust system and the same steering system I am looking at guilia on HP in the uk I flipping want one badly just to keep it in the garage 🥺 she’s so much better looking than the BMWs
oh i agree the changes are not making me so happy the more I drive the 2021
Love the Alfa Red! Really interesting to hear the differences. I see you did the carbon upgrade for the instruments binnacle. Is that a Koshi part?
We need the first wash on the new car!
later today stick around
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The state of the roads where you are !!! I thought the roads were bad in the UK !!
yeah the UK political system is just as bad as the USA where they rob all citizens tax money and never apply it to infrastructure its a disgrace. Other countries in Europe are the opposite when it comes to road such as Germany
@@autofanaticcars Things here in the UK are the worse I ever saw it, I am nearly 50 now, road network as a whole has massively degenerated, I have heard the problem is just as bad in the USA as well.
Any regrets getting another QV at this point?
nope this gives me a new platform to modify things differently so its still going to be awesome.
@@autofanaticcars great! I’ve had my ‘21 trofeo white QV a for about three months. Love your mud flaps by the way! I love the car. Would really have liked a better backup camera in such an expensive car. The exhaust is my only project idea. Anxious to see where you go yourself on this project. Coming from an 18 m3, the race steering on QV feels so much better.
yeah the F780 M3 was way over exaggerated in the steering feel I had a 15 i hated it. I am exploring exhaust options now it's just tough to get parts still with all the manufacturing shortages.
Do a video when u take alignment specs
i will be
What would you say the car needs to get it track ready? I mean handle a HPDE day of seven 20 minute sessions.
KW DDC or V3 coilover kit if you want to really extract the most of this car and much better brake pads. these cars stock will roll badly up front and the original pads just suck after hard repeated use
does the rear widows also have laminated glass like the front?
yes
Love the vids man. Would love to see some pov driving/exhaust vids
Coming soon!
@@autofanaticcars congrats on the 2021.. I was curious how many miles your 2018 had before you traded in..
Does your new car have autonomous level 2 driving assist? Others have reported a difference in steering feel because of that change.
i never heard of this option before and its not shown on my window sticker can you elaborate more on this?
It is a safety improvement a lot of cars are going to. Looks like Alfa is one step ahead of the curve. I worked for the company that makes the plastic film interlayer material that is used to make safety glass. It is called Saflex and is the film layer you feel at the top edge of the glass. Very interesting mfg process that takes 2 pieces of glass and laminates them together into one sandwiched piece. Glad they are finally using this in side windows. The Saflex sheet is like a heavy film that is opeic (milky color) until it is pressed and then it turns clear as glass. The blue or green color band at the top of your windshield is actually color die on the top edge of the plastic Saflex film, and is not on the glass as most people think.
The autonomous level 2 driving assist is lane assist that keeps the car centered and has been noted to effect how the car steering feels. Started in 2020 I think. Your 2018 probably had level 1 that would do only autonomous braking (car separation) and emergency braking if engaged by cruse control.
I have driven the 2021 QV but the differences to my MY17 felt minimal. Probably more emotional than rational.
drive it for 500+ miles you will notice the differences are substantial in the front end, i actually get drivers fatigue now with the 2021 after this weekend which i never got in the 18. they are trying too hard to make it into a BMW and Mercedes to gain new customers but it isn't going to work for this brand. Il be doing a video with both cars front ends this week to see what they actually changed visually up front.
may be newer version has bit more toe in
Did you ever look at the AC flap on the new car that caused your old car to flood?
t im not concerned now as there are many culprits to this water issue i keep hearing from seals, firewall seals and drains and the cowl and HVAC motor assembly
@@autofanaticcars that's unfortunate! Regardless, Thanks for the great content
My 2020 also starts in Natural mode every time. First thing I do is switch to Dynamic, second thing I do is turn off Auto-Stop. Then, I typically have to remove the parking brake which sometimes turns on by itself even though I've never turned it on myself.
The amount of front wheel chatter / skipping I have when pulling into or out of parking spot is insane and troubling. There's no reason my front tires should be skipping when travleling 7 MPH into a parking spot simply because the steering wheel is turned over one full rotation. Any idea why this happens?
Skipping?
You can go into the menu to prevent the parking brake from activating every time you park. I know bc I did the opposite (turned on the automatic parking brake.)
My my19 defaults to N setting too on start up
interesting i bet this is a software update that must have been done starting in 19
Maybe the newer just have the sound insulatuon pack that have thicker glasses
yes the newer car is far better built and refined, now i lowered it and did the exhaust mod and its very impressive
Think I’m gona hold on too my 17 plate mate
if she is treating you well keep it
So did u return the 2021 qv
i sold the 21 watch that video
Did they change the interior in 2019 or 2020?
The regular Giulias where updated in 2020, but the Quadrifoglio received the new interior this year.
@@usarkarzts4207 I have a 2020 qv with the updated interior.
Awesome review.. Great observations.. but I have to say.. I would be shocked if R mode in the '21 isn't faster on the track than the R mode in the '18... Alfa most likely tested the hell out of the steering for this latest version.. the heavier weighted feel is most likely purposeful for balance, etc.. Be interesting to see track comparisons in upcoming publications though.
i am going to report back that the 18 feels far better, sharper, lighter and more fun. the 2021 now feels too much like a Mercedes and BMW and almost slow and heavy as you push it and it is really from the front end changes and it really upsets me that they made these changes to such a special car. I am being optimistic that when I lower it and change over some more parts and alignment I can get the car to a happy medium. The earlier cars feel so different in a good way.
@@autofanaticcars Awesone review, I read in the Italian press they changed the Ackermann angle because customers were complaining about front tyres “skipping” when manoeuvring in parking lots. I have a 2019 QV and the steering is so amazing, it is intoxicating. So I am very hesitant to upgrade to the new one. I wonder if the GTA/GTAm is more similar to the “original” QV when it comes to the front end.
I have a 2018 Q4 Awd and don’t like the wheel gap either
Should I lower it with springs?
do the springs or the Kw coilover kit
Benefits of the pre-2020 update:
- louder exhaust
- dynamic mode default on start up
- carbon fiber/alacantara steering wheel
Benefits of 2020 facelift:
- better infotainment
- better interior finishes
- better soundproofing
- slight external updates (blackened rear headlights, carbon fiber grill outline)
Benefits of 2021 model:
- two new colors
Benefits of the 2022 model:
- none
Cons of 2022 model:
- even quieter exhaust (EU regulations)
- no more alacantara seats
I faced this dilemma earlier this week when shopping for a Giulia QV. I chose a 2020 because it seemed like the sweet spot, but I do wish it started in dynamic and the exhaust was a bit louder as I remember the 2018 model being.
my biggest complaint is the steering weight added in D and Race it really wasn't needed.
@@autofanaticcars I didn't even realize that, thanks for pointing that out in the video. Good content, I'm subscribing
since I have both cars driving them back to back the steering change is very noticeable
Keeping my 2018 QV forever, everything modern is no good.
@@autofanaticcars I'd actually like more weight on the steering... But I do like to drive fast... Not in a straight line
The point is every car company going with more computers and more watered down car. So when the world is fully hybrid you won't feel a difference
There are dozens of videos on YT on the Giulia QV, almost none on the models below like the Veloce that people actually can and want to buy.
Awesome car but pretty sad that a Veloster N has totally customizable performance settings and this $80k car doesn’t.
yes this annoyed me to integrate more tech and not let the user adjust the steering effort and other parameters. very odd why they did this.
Is that the Bronx River Pkwy? I grew up in Westchester County and had fun riding my first motorcycle all around the city and points north.
Can't get Carbon Ceramics on New QV's...I'll pass
You don't really need those if you're not racing.
Break by wire...is that safe?
When the Russians attack with an EMP, will you still be able to break?
Pls don a pov drive
soon
I just realized Phil, you and fellow you tuber Chris fix do not show your faces....
Alfa Romeo simp 😁
well, it is still analog enough in MY2021. Take a seat in a Golf 8 GTI / GTD. Because touch steering wheel. Horrible.
Did you just said water down BMW and Mercedes ???😂😂😂😂😂 what a dumb comment, your Alfa will never ever be able to compete with those two brands … who buys Alfa anyway have you seen the sales numbers on Alfa not to mention the QV??? Lol 😂
interior looks very much of a BMW
unfortunately it now drives like a BMW, so disgusted