When You Follow Your Heart | 2020 Alfa Romeo Giulia
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2020
- There are pragmatic choices and emotional choices when new car shopping and buying a Giulia is certainly the latter. Will it be Lexus reliable? No. Have the polish of a BMW or Mercedes? Not this time around. But it does have personality in spades and that's enough of a reason to put the Giulia on your lease-shopping list for sure.
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One of the most underrated cars currently sold.
Yep!! And we are proud owners of one
Well, it’s only underrated for people that lease their cars. Not SOLD.
I own a Giulia Ti Sport. It's a fantastic car.
Garrett W I think it’s better to lease the Giulia rather then finance
To avoid any maintenance problems
My Giulia QV has been very reliable. This car has been fantastic. If you're looking at this segment the Giulia is the enthusiast option you shouldn't overlook.
Our Giulia Veloce is too 🏁❤️
“That’s a bit of a pity” - I think every review should include this phrase at least once.
I've owned BMW, Audi, and Lexus. They don't compare to my 2020 TI Sport. When I park it and walk away I always look back a couple of times. As far as reliability, it's been flawless.
Own two Alfas. My 2.5 year old Stelvio has been very reliable and fun to drive. My one year old Giulia QV has been driven from Maine to Miami and everywhere else. Extremely fun and not one reliability issue. I've owned Audi S5 and Mercedes-AMG and both had issues and weren't nearly as fun to drive.
Which one do you enjoy owning more? The Stelvio or the Giulia?
Good to know- love the inside styling.
I have a 2019 Giulia, best car I've ever driven. It makes driving the Audi A4 or BMW 3 series feel like a Camry. Cars compared to that I've also owned/leased: 2008 Mx-5, e46 BMW, Q50 Red Sport 400.
A4 and 3 series are way funner to drive but the giulia is amazing
Totally agree with you, I have a 18 giulia ti sport awd, it handles awesome
george ibrahim funner to drive than an Alfa Giulia. Are you on crack?
george ibrahim no way are they more fun to drive than the guilia!! Fact!! Drive one... I’ve owned them all, Audi bmw, Mercedes and jaguar
I can certainly agree with all that as having owned 3 e46 bmws , one of being the m3, an Audi A4 , Mercedes c300, and a Jaguar 35t I can honestly say the Alfa is the best driving and most playful car I’ve ever owned. Such an alive feeling that bmw has seemed to have lost and others have never achieved. Steering is top notch and unmatched by the Germans
The best driver’s car that doesn’t sell well. They put most money in things like engine/transmission/suspension. Can’t imagine a standard carbon fiber drive shaft in the level of 34c.
It's a well built car. And incredible to drive as well. Even the 2.0L model.
Absolutely love mine. Purchased new and I wouldn’t think twice about it
I simply love the Giulia. Best sedan in this segment if you care about driving dynamic.
I detest FCA, but good Lord, how can I hate this Alfa? The Gulia is just so beautiful.
I always look forward to seeing which song you pick for the infotainment segment. That’s a great touch.
I have a 2017 Giulia Base. Absolutely love it!!! Blast to drive!!
Only issue I had was I punctured 2 tires. But, that's something no one can prevent.
My Giulia Ti Sport has been insanely fun and perfectly reliable over nearly 30K miles. Only 6K miles left on my lease to convince the wife to let me buy it.
Same here... I’ve leased bmw, jaguar, Mercedes and thus far this car has been the most reliable. Granted the service sucks ! But that’s just because I just came from driving a jaguar and the service is above and beyond.
@@AloneisHe what you mean the service sucks ?
@@Travis73917 Alfa Romeo is serviced in my area by Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep dealers. Occasionally you'll find a Maserati dealers that service the Alfa Romeos. When i say the service sucks.... I mean it sucks compared to other luxury competitors. My last car (Jaguar) their service department always went above and beyond. Offered things along the lines of "service car pick up and return". I personally have had terrible experience with 2 dodge/jeep service departments.
@@AloneisHe is the prices cheaper for going to the jeep dodge ram Chrysler dealership for the alfa?
Travis Crosby Not really. That’s one of the downsides. Other brands in this segments include oil changes (at least here in my local area) some offer 3 years or 1 year. Alfa didn’t, oil change is about 3 times the price of a Jeep/dodge vehicle. At least for me.
Love the shift paddles on the column. When in a turn on a city street, I always know where to find the shift paddle even if I go hand over hand. If I was on a track, then it wouldn't be a big deal but usually I'm not on a track.
Ferrari go for races and they have them fixed as well.
It's good to always know where they are in every situation. In the past it wasn't a problem to take the hand out and reach the central stick. ...now suddenly it is a problem to reach them behind the wheel? I don't think so.
"Someone elses problem" says it all reference resale value.
In my area if you can even find one used they’re still over 37k. I’ve been waiting for the bottom to fall out to pick up a cheap used one but I’m still waiting...
I found one with 3.5k miles on it and an asking price of $47k. Could not believe how bad its residuals are
@@swanblake I bet it was a 2017?
Don't buy a 17 Quad, lots of electronics problems. But anything 2018 and after appears to have good reliability.
The QF holds its value better than the competition. Unlike BMW there aren’t thousands sat around in used car lots. You won’t find a “cheap” QF of any age.
@@aureol40012 I agree, though a dealer flat out told me to not buy a used 2017 (it was out of my price range anyways) because they struggled with electrical problems. They're too fast/pretty/fun to not retain decent value.
I have a Stelvio and Giulia QV.. Both have been excellent.
So Alex...glad to see you're enamored with Alfa ...and that you rightly point out how even the standard 2 Liter Giulia is miles better than the competition but there's an important design philosophy that exists with Alfa vs the Germans....
Alfa designed the Quad version first and then began to subtly take components away to arrive at the base Giulia model....therefore they share many components...Chassis, Carbon fiber drive shaft, suspension geometry (although Quad has more exotic materials), Steering rack (by far the best part of these cars), etc, etc....whereas the Germans take a base model 3 / 4 series or "C" class or A 4 and then start throwing performance stuff at them....Kind of like LIPSTICK ON A PIG !!!
FORZA ALFA BABY !!!
THE KING IS BACK !!!
I DD a 18’ Ti, it has been a joy to drive.
2018 Ti Lusso Q4 myself. Love it. Only bad part about not commuting anymore is not getting to drive it every day.
This is one of if not THE most comprehensive guide I've seen on a vehicle / vehicle class. The comparisons, the metrics, the video. All of them were on point, relevant, and entertaining.
Recently purchased the '17 Giulia QF so I wanted to just see the differences between the first gen and the most modern one, but I stayed throughout for all the competition info. Quite interesting!
The Alfa is a drivers car and the obvious choose for people that love driving. Having driven a lot of cars and now the owner of a QV, it definitively feels much more special than the competiton - the engineering (chassis, suspension, engine, aero, drivetrain, handling etc) really is in another league. ☘️🤙🏼
Had my Giulia 10 months and loving it. People come to look and talk about it it's the most exciting car I've had in years last cars BMW 3 series and Mercedes cclsss
I love my 2019 Giulia. I get about 31mpg and it just feels so special driving a vehicle that you still rarely see on the road. Almost 40,000 miles and I don’t think I’ve ever had any issue that didn’t take 15 mins and $0 to fix at the dealer.
I think the best option is to get a Giulia in the new Estrema trim which includes the LSD and adaptive suspension found in the Quad (as well as some of the carbon bits), and then throwing in a piggyback tune unit like the JB4. This should get you up to 320+ HP and your 0-60 time in the AWD version should be mid 4s. This gets you much closer to the M340i, matches the S4/S5 and matches the C43. All in a car that drives much better than any of them, looks much prettier and is much more unique.
I need to part ways with my 2019 Giulia TiS Q2 LSD (loaded except for the extra load of a sunroof😎)
It’s at 50k and would be a perfect candidate to turn into a “baby” QV with some mods😬
I thought I preferred paddle shifters attached to the wheel before owning my Giulia QV. After driving it for a year, I love have those paddles in the column. I always know where they are, regardless of wheel position.
I am happy with my Giulia Veloce. Bought it because of the steering, pedal response and how it looks. Only thing I can complaint is about how the indicators work. My next one will be the same. Love driving it in NZ winding mountainous roads.
Whaaaaa? You mean the turn signals? I think they pretty much work the same as our BMWs and I don’t see any issues with it …strange😏
Alfa has such an intriguing name.
Hi Alex, I'm surprised you did not mention their new Highway Assist, the new level 2 autonomous driving assistance feature that's new for 2020.
The system is really not substantively different from any of the other adaptive cruise control and lane centering systems so I didn't think it was worth a mention.
Get a high performance car... then have it drive itself. Yeah, that checks out.
Alex on Autos erm, yes it is.
jake atkinson What are you, 12? If you think it’s different, make an argument as to how.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I will keep that in mind when choose who I should watch for car reviews. Moreover, that's an incredibly lame answer!!!
Love the looks of the Giulia.
I have a 2019 QV with 9k miles and love it. It's definitely a drivers car and shouldn't be purchased if your looking for interior tech. Mine has been pretty reliable but I did get one check engine light for a cylinder miss fire. Last is the resale value is terrible so try and get a slightly used one.
The "reliability issues" have been a gift for the used price market... thanks Car and Driver, I'm getting a bargain while everyone else buys boring german cars
I've been shopping for a new (or CPO) sports sedan for a couple months. I've driven a new G70 2.0L Sport with 6-speed manual, a few 2017-2019 C300s, and an older and newer 330i x-Drive. Two weeks ago I almost bought a CPO 2019 330i, a car I really liked. But I held off, reluctant to give up my ND1 Miata. I thought I'd probably just keep my car one more summer and sell or trade it for a sports sedan this fall.
Then last weekend my wife and I drove a new 2020 Giulia Ti AWD and loved it. I've liked the styling of the Giulia since it debuted, and the tweaks for the 2020 model year just made it a better package. I love that it's different. You don't see many of these on the road, and I like that. But the car itself is terrific. Yes, it rides a little stiffer than its German competitors, but the handling is so much better. The steering is tighter and more direct, and it sounds better than the German cars. It really drives more like a sports car than a sporty sedan, and this is with just the Ti trim with its base 2.0 liter turbo engine. After just one test drive the Giulia vaulted to the top of my list. And with the lease deal the local dealer is offering, it's going to be hard to pass up.
Every video I ever watch on the Giulia, the comments are all basically the same: "I love it", "most underrated car", etc etc, which is really all anyone needs on this car. Reliability is irrelevant on the Alfa's anyways-not only is it drastically better from the Alfa's of old, but as was mentioned in the video, almost every Alfa will be leased anyways, and if you get a pre owned one it'll most likely be a CPO. Also continuing to harp on the infotainement hiccups from the previous years is doing the car a disservice. It's better, now move on.
If you're looking at a vehicle in this class and are even a slight driving enthusiast, not planning on putting this on your test drive list is a "pity". I always say the same thing: "Drive the car and you'll fall in love." The lease on my current car is up this time next year and you'll see me in a 2021 Giulia TI Sport at that time. No if's, and's, or but's about it.
Love the new intro 😍
Hi Alex, I really like your in depth analysis, and the range of cars (Kia to Rolls Royce 😊)
Just a suggestion - in your specs graphics - maybe you could compare the MPG relative to other competition (dip towards empty if fuel consumption is poorer, towards full if better)
The sweeping fuel gauge needle is a slight distraction.
Keep making amazing videos 👍
Fun fact about weird exhaust changes with bigger vehicles despite the engine being the same. The Challenger was supposed to be the only FCA vehicle that had over 300hp with the pentastar V6 at 305hp (the rest being 285-300hp), but the Ram 1500 also has a 305hp V6 simply because of a more efficient exhaust because theres way more room under that hood. No other intake trickery or turning was needed like the Challenger has. Simply having more room under the hood for more efficient designs can lead to healthy power bumps. This is also why the RAM 1500 has the highest HP 5.7 hemi, and it would likely have more power in the 6.4 if that ever went under the hood of a 1500.
Sad verse here. When you are to buy such car, the first question is: "Where I can get one?" and when you already have one, there is the second question that stops you is: "Who will fix my car and where is spare parts coming from?". These two a very tightly connected to each other. Going to the selling/servicing place for a day (or longer?) is no fun. Waiting for a spare part for 2 weeks is no fun either.
If you want an Alfa such things don’t matter. I used to drive an 80 mile round trip to service my Giulia. They once had it for 10 days for warranty work. I was in a Stelvio for that time. Not a problem.
@@aureol40012 I am completely agree with you here. There is no challenge to drive ~100 miles to service a car which you love to drive. This is something that "you got'a do what-cha got'a go" thing if a human being is already had a taste of being inside such a car and loves it.
Alas, this is not a huge group of people and manufacturer prospers when they sell a lot of cars. And sale numbers increase. This will not happen if new customers will not come along. And among new clients - there is ones that is still considering their pros and cons while making a decision.
The reliability stuff is nonsense. It is repeated time after time by journalists who are literally quoting each other. The only issues were with a couple of press cars (Alfa being idiots in not ensuring the cars were 100% before handing them over) and software issues. All dealt with. There is NO issue in buying a used one of these. Have you noticed how none of the journalists can tell you what the reliability issues to look for are??!
I actually own the Motor Trend press car. I have no problems and neither did they.
EOtekk precisely.
@@aureol40012 I bought 2 and no problems yet. Just let them be. Much of the 'reliability' nonsense has to do with the way Alfa left the states in the 90's. When you bought a mercedes in the early 00's there is nothing left because they rusted away just standing there. When reviewing a new mercedes this never comes up in the review. Just enjoy driving yours and let them talk. That's wat I do.
Agreed.
@@dirkcuypers6669 Thank God there are a couple sensible people among all of these trolls! C&D had one car ...ONE car that had issues with multiple idiot journalists. After the 2017 model, the reliability went way up and then they upgraded the infotainment for all of the ninnies who probably don't know jack about driving feel and experience and pushing a car to its limits. They are the people who whine about the size of the backup camera....as if you spend more than 5% of the time driving in reverse. The Giulia QV is an awesome car. I just hope the negativity and false info doesn't drive them out of the US and prevent future models. I've driven a lot of BMW's and these Alfas have so much more soul.
im trying to find a 70's 2.0 gtv
Good lawd, it’s a pretty motor vehicle
I love this car I honestly thinks it looks better than the ct4
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifolgio….its just beautiful. Took delivery today.
my future car i’m still debating but it would most likely come down to the Giulia or the G70. G70 will probably win if i’m looking to buy used. The Alfa would have to have a pretty good lease deal. No way I’d buy one used. I just need a good fun, nimble small car. I live on some awesome twisty backroads in Tennessee and hate SUVs
I like the new intro. 👍🏻
The Giulia TI Sport and the G70 3.3T are on my list.
I have a 2018 Ti Sport. It's sublime. Highly recommended.
@Randy's Orchids and @Paul V if you don't mind me asking. How many miles you have on your car? Any issues or concerns?
@Randy's Orchids thank you! Looking forward to seeing more of your experience with your Giulia.
You might just want a better car than a BMW or Mercedes. How is this an emotional choice?
Better doesn't mean the same to everybody.
If you ask my next door neighbor, the best would be the one with lower fuel consumption and lower maintenance cost.
For my colleague, it would be the one with more useful space.
For another, it would be the more luxurious inside.
For yet another, it would be a long time dream fulfillment on whatever brand fits the bill.
For a driver's car kind of person, or someone that just wants a sporty car, it could just be the one with a better engine or better dynamic behavior.
These are all valid pragmatic choices.
And tell us, how can anyone tell a Giulia wouldn't be Lexus reliable? Is this also a factor when considering a BMW or an Audi? How is it then when considering an Alfa-Romeo? I'm tired of people associating reliability issues with Italian brands. Don't they check leasing companies fleet availability ratios? Maintenance costs from rental car companies? There is a lot of interesting *reliable* data to be found there.
Love to see all the Giulia owners representing in the comments here. I’m considering a Giulia Ti Sport versus an older Audi S4. The Giulias are still a bit more expensive, and I have yet to drive either. Anyone who found themselves in a similar position? I know audis get a bad rep for handling, but I’ve heard the b8.5 s4 with sport diff is seriously impressive. Because I’m shopping older on the Audi, the infotainment is pretty comparable. I just worry I’d miss the 6 cylinder sound.
Who cares if it's real leather or not? Leatherette has gotten really good.
I think that the Giulia is the ultimate choice because it has soul. The driver and the car can have shared chemistry
Alex, Alex, Alex...at 2:14 you strike again....You DON'T see Quadrifoglio logos all around on these cars !!! This is not a BMW POSER "M" edition that throws "M" badges all over the place like candy on Halloween !!! My 2017 Giulia Quad has a beautiful badge on each front fender and THAT'S IT for the EXTERIOR !!! In fact, from the back it only says "Giulia"...it's the Quad exhaust, rear diffuser and rear spoiler that tell you that you're following a Quad....and as for the interior there's only a subtle Quad symbol in the instrument cluster and THAT'S IT !!! Come on Alex....Peace and Love ....
Several cars mentioned as possible competitors with Alfa, each one for different reasons. Nevertheless, for driving dynamics, not one of those is valid as Alfa is. For keeping its exchange value, for its infotainment system, for refined interior materials there are competitors - but as far as we talk about driver's cars: it's just Alfa after all leading the way for the others to follow.
Not in vain they talk about meccanica delle emozioni, mechanics of the emotions.
Alfa has clearly its own soul. What about any of the others, I doubt.
After test driving the BMW, Giulia, TLX Type S, CT5-V, and A4, I’m going Alfa with my next purchase
Excellent
Love how detailed your reviews are. Keep up the great work, Alex!
Compared the Giulia, M340i, and Audi A/S 5 Sportback. Ended up buying, not leasing, a Genesis G70 3.3T. The extra power offset the slight difference in handling with the Giulia and the other cars didn't feel noticeably different in my daily commute to justify the extra $15,000 to comparably equip them to the level of the Genesis.
Similar comparison but I bought the Stinger GT1.
@@timw2083 That would have been my second choice. But I got a good deal on my G70 Sport.
Thanks for this. I’ve been in the market several times for this class. I currently have a ‘19 S4 and A5. After driving each of these out If I’m honest, I typically will go to the BMW as the 1st choice as it’s the most modern of the competition. I like Audi’s packaging and interior space, they typically hold their value and discount aggressively. If I would trade in either car I’d still probably go back to BMW though, I’m not a huge fan of the 2020 updates Audi made and the touchscreen-only interface in an interior not designed for it.
Mercedes has the best looking interior but there’s so many options you can never get one like you want it. Alfa is nice but after dealers in St. Louis got hammered with too many 2018s that took them years to sell through they no longer keep any in stock. Cadillac is fine, but who buys one in their 30s?
You aren’t the people Alfa are after. You are clearly buying cars with the dullest of criteria. If you’d genuinely put ANY BMW over this car then you are clearly a bit of a pipe and slippers kind of guy.
jake atkinson ok dude. Seems like you need a hug or something since you’re comment is obviously trying to get a reaction. I’ve driven all the models and I liked the Alfa but it’s trash infotainment (back in ‘18) and fact it’s worth 50% less after 1 YEAR is a joke. You can afford to lose that in depreciation you’re a richer man than I.
@@Jacobk66 50% in 1 year. BS. Haha. It's on par with M3's.
At 20:00....does BMW have an option to get rid of the HIDEOUS FRONT END ?
The Kidneys have become LUNGS !! Perhaps their tribute to Covid ?
the BMW grill reminds me of Bugs Bunny's teeth
@@ryanm.3681 Except uglier
Intro music is better. Thanks!
Cadillac CT4/CT5 V transmission/transmission tuning is dreadful. I couldn't recommend either. Base model I would pick for myself would be a leased Giulia or G70 with the 3.3TT if you can hangle it down in price to low $40k range
Lexus IS is often left out of the conversation but it is a very competent sedan. The upcoming Genesis G70 may be the best bang for the buck. That 3.3tt is a very capable powerplant.
There hasn't been a lexus worth buy other than the GX 470 in half a decade
I’d go for gullia
@@james2042 The LC would like a word
@@trdrav4 you mean the gt car that has a 5.0 v8 that needs to be revved out to 5000+ rpm for any sort of power, and has horrible handling characteristics? I can get a dodge challenger that does the job better for half the price. If you wanna talk about equal price points, the E53, M5, RS5, and even the C8. Hell I forgot about the IS which also not a bad lexus buy
Lexus buyers don’t get the luxurious experience of knowing their mechanic on a first name basis.
They are phenomenal cars. So much better than the rival Audis, BMWs or Mercs. Better looking, better handling, and much more interesting.
Id love to find a great buy on a red 2020 Ti Sport. But $450 oil changes...what the hell?? And Can I make her ride smoother on Continentals 225/50HR18's??
I have wanted to get a Giulia (base engine since I'm a commoner lol) since I test drove them when they first came out in 2017. But the reliability woes kept me from pulling the trigger. Also at the time, they did not have Apple Car Play as standard. I got a Stinger instead, which I'm very happy with. I still love the Giulia's styling and the way it drove, and the cachet of having an Italian car, but I just did not want to spend money and potentially deal with numerous reliability issues, regardless if they were under warranty. My sister bought a Ghibli new and that thing is ALWAYS in the shop and the maintenance is crazy expensive. I got scared away.
Love mine. Worth the money. Still not bored of it after 2 years....but the stereo SUCKS. May upgrade it at some point
is there an update for the 2019 infotainment?
This is a tough one for me. I think that this is the best driving car in the segment, period (Ti, haven't driven the quad). I wanted a coupe, so I moved on. That said, if I wanted a sedan, perhaps the main concern would be the less than solid dealer network. Several have gone out of business and there is no way to know if your local dealer is going to be next. I would hate to buy a car only for the dealer to go under, especially if I need warranty work.
That said, I agree with all of the points raised in this video. Alfa has a solid product here, but their general execution just hasn't been where it should be. They just haven't been aggressive enough in building the brand, or the product portfolio and it has cost them.
The problem is that Alfa is sitting under the Fiat umbrella and Fiat is not doing well in North America. Hence FCA’s fear of investing large sums into marketing, but the brand not succeeding anyway because Fiat has no “Americanized” models to sell. They should have released Alfa as a completely separate network, I think, or connected it to the Chrysler/Jeep network instead of Fiat.
@@afcgeo882 I totally agree. Fiat is a dead brand here and tying Alfa to it was a very bad move, potentially fatal.
Darrell I think the other issue is not having larger vehicles. They’re afraid to compete against Maserati, which is also not doing too well.
@@afcgeo882 Which is strange IMO. Maserati should be positioned at a higher price tier as a more premium product. Of course, Maserati's current lineup is a joke. There is more than enough room for both of them under the same roof. Their product positioning, planning and marketing has been absolutely terrible.
Darrell That’s my point exactly. They want to increase Ferrari sales with family-friendly models. They keep Maserati down so as not to take away Ferrari sales. Their Lancias and Alfas are kept down to not compete with Maserati and Fiat is just a shit box. At this point, the Peugeot lineup looks far smarter for North America than FCA’s Euro brands.
Alex it quite simple to see why this is not selling well in the US. Lack of service locations and the maintenance costs on Alfs's is outrageous.
I love your review and I can’t disagree with anything you said.
However.
I’m a combat Marine and for part of my time in the Corps I was a recruiter. We used to talk to potential Marines about the benefits of joining, some of which were intangible. Now, when I say that, and you think about the Marine Corps, you already know what I’m talking about.
I feel like it’s the same with the Alfa Romeo Giulia.
BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti all deserve respect for making great cars.
But do they move you? Do you break out in a giant grin every time you see your car or walk toward it or climb in or start it up?
Do you love the history of your legendary marque? How about the feel and the style? Does it make you feel wonderful to be climbing into a car that was designed and built in Italy? Do you like the fact that you aren’t driving a brand that you see all around you every day?
Life is too short to drive boring cars. I know sometimes you have to. We have all had to. But if you are looking at this review, you are probably at a point in your life where you don’t have to drive a boring car. So, maybe don’t?
Just because qualities are intangible doesn’t mean they are insignificant. Buy the motherf*¢ker that makes you grin like the Cheshire Cat with every turn.
You’ll thank me.
Seems to me the Giulia turned out to be a reliable car. One you can buy with your heart and your brain.
Cars with bad resale value usually translate to high lease payments. So not sure if leasing is a better option.
if i follow my heart ı choose MAZDA 3 (top power version)
Honestly, Im not sure the Quadrifoglio is worth 2x the price of the base model...base model is properly quick and handles great already!
Best joke of 2021 😂
@@nessuno5403 Yet it attracted you!
@@buildmorefarms1007 yes, your idiocy did 😄
@@nessuno5403 haha you're triggered!
I drive the Giulia for 2 years, and Iam happy with everything in the car , is a pleasure drive every day ,
Honestly wish reviewers would get their hands on the regular gulia and stelvio. I have yet to see a regular 2.0t in any review from ANYONE
Edit: The lack of standard saftey equipment in luxury cars is because a lot of the buyers do NOT want it. It is easier to lower the base price and make it optional for the few who do than jack the base price and force it on a bunch of people who are just gonna turn them all off anyways
James Mastroianni I would disagree. Unless you track everyday, nobody would reject having a full set of safety features. Sometimes people tend to reject new features like acc/lkas, but once they get behind the wheels they quickly get used to such features and wish they had have these features earlier.
@@bikingmoments I was helping a very wealthy friend pick out a car (she just didn't wanna be bullied by a dealer since she's a woman) and I asked a benz and bmw dealer about them and both said more people want it without than with
I do wonder if the base model gets a bad reputation for bad reliability based in the public reliability issues of the high horsepower model.
It's specifically the 2017 Quad that was publically having electronic problems
Alfa in general has average reliability at best. It’s comparable to Range Rover/Jaguar in my opinion. That is usually fine for high end luxury cars as they’re far more complex and are leased, but their resale values are horrific.
However, when you apply that reliability to a $40k base car, it’s not a good proposition. The repair costs become crazy in proportion to the sale price.
@@afcgeo882 pursuant to what? Ignoring anything before Fiat and Chrystler started operating Alfa (so ignore anything before it came back to the US in 2016), how does Alfa have bad reliability? Like I said, go ask any dealership and they'll all admit the 2017 Quad Giulia struggled with its electronics for whatever reason.
I had a 2017 2.0L Giulia and 0 problems with it. Bought a 2020 and so far so good.
Jean-Paul Le Clercq Persuant to the fact that Alfa has a history prior to 2016. Why would you discount it? Also pursuant to its record since 2016. It’s not just the 2017 Giulia that suffered from infotainment issues. All models did and in 2018 as well. Also, they’ve had other serious faults too. My cousin (by marriage) is an FCA technician for high end cars (Ferrari, Maserati some Dodges and Alfa) in New York and he keeps me up to date. Giulia has a 13% chance of not needing repairs over initial 3 years according to CR. Car and Driver had tons of reliability issues with their 2018 Quadrofoglio, throughout their 40k mile long-term test.
Some well-known (common issues):
Remote start (TSB exists)
Battery compartment cover leaks
Brake pad sensor wiring issues (TSB exists)
Air Conditioning condenser icing up (Giulia and Stelvio issue)
A/C blower stops working while driving, but only if the auto start/stop is turned to “ON”.
Misfires after the W05 recall update.
Auxiliary water pump (low pressure, for turbo)
Constant electronics issues (codes thrown, gauges not working, oil sensor, etc)
There are unfortunately many others. These issues are common to North American and European Alfa-Romeos and to models other than the Giulia. Alfas unfortunately have always been less than reliable, though certainly gorgeous and fun to drive.
@@afcgeo882 I didn't have any of those issues. My infotainment would occasionally reboot. It's also the first generation of a vehicle, I'd expect some small issues here and there. Can you tell me how many issues first gen hondas had? I drove a 1997 Acura 3.2TL that had like 4 different recall fixes early on. Is Acura an unreliable car?
I think it's fair to say we we'd need to see how the vehicles are doing off warranty 5-10 years down the line. If the car avoids major mechanical problems, then I think it can be deemed as reliable.
9:50 THE KEY HAS THE PERFECT HOME! WHY YOU DO THIS? lol
How many times did you use the word "corollary?" Is that terminology really apt for these reviews?
Like Alex said, it's a perfect car if you plan to lease it not to buy.
19:30 "If you'd like a steering wheel to come with your BMW, that'll be 1000.00 extra…"
One reason, why it puts the power down so well, is the high revving nature of the engine. It is really close to n/a engines in terms of power delivery.
You can for example compare the the rpm, where 90% of maximum torque is reached. In this car, it streches about 4500 rpm, from 2000 to 6500 rpm. Most turbocharged engines tend to have much smaller rpm bands, where they reach 90% of maximum torque, which means they have to rely heavily on engine torque, to make the same power.
You’re talking about turbos of the 1980’s and 1990’s. Modern turbos have wide torque bands and twin scroll turbos have one scroll for low RPMs and one for higher RPMs. This is common to all twin-turbos.
@@afcgeo882 You are completly wrong.
Just do yourself a favor and compare them, before you post comments, as i did the work myself as well, before posting my initial comment.
Take the 2.0 Multi Air Q4 in the Giulia for example. The rpm range of 90 % of maximum torque doesn't even reach 4000 rpm and that's without considering turbo lag.
The normal 2.0 Multi Air is even worse.
Just to mention, both are twinscroll turbocharged engines, which isn't the same as twin turbo, which you seem to got confused with.
Just for comparison:
A BMW M340i only has a rpm range of about 4000 rpm, where it reaches >90 % of maximum torque, not considering turbo lag.
I hate how so many cars have to be lease only these days as they are not built to last.
Where’s the CT4-V review?
edit: Sorry I hadn’t gotten to the end of the video where you talk about it yet 😅
Looking forward to see where the CT4 V stacks up in terms of dynamics to this
Alex, great review and comments on this fine car. My standard Giulia has been perfect. No issues. I've had nothing to complain about and I've enjoyed every minute behind the wheel. All those items work when driving 195 mph! lol Many people are getting 4.7 secs 0-60 out of the base engine 2.0! Check RUclips.
I'm waiting for that TLX Type-S. Won't have as much punch as the 4-leaf clover but value proposition will be quite appealing I think.
I never liked how they put the front car plate in Europe and ruined the look of those cars.
So based on all the glowing reviews I went to test drive the Giulia and my heart was pretty much set on getting it. What a disappointed it was. The inside of the car is tiny, the seats had very little padding and you felt like you were siting very low in the car , it handled great and it was a fun car overall, but would definitely buy something else for the money.
Alex, I am trying to figure out why you are here test driving this rather than in Detroit reviewing the new TLX.
Probably because of this thing called a pandemic. Have you heard of it?
When you follow your heart, and not your brain. Lol
I'm still surprised there's no multiair i6 to act as an inbetween to the i4 and ferrari v6
The power output of the 2 liter leaves little room for such an option. The R/D costs would be high, but sales/earnings low.
They should use the Maserati V6. It has significantly less power than the Quadrifoglio. That would be the perfect mid -range model.
EOtekk Why do they even need another trim? Why should they spend extra money to design it? It’s already a giant money pit.
@@afcgeo882 There's nothing to design. All they have to do is drop in an existing motor. So then you would have power outputs of 280, 345, and 505.
EOtekk 😂 You’ve never worked on a car, have you? Aside from the motor maybe not fitting in, that requires a different transmission and a re-design of all the auxiliary systems for them to still fit into the engine bay properly. Then the car has to go through months of testing. For what exactly? What’s the gain here?
By the way, the 3.0 V6 on the Ghibli is built by Ferrari. They are only this month scheduled to switch to an in-house 3.0 and no one yet knows what it will be like, but we know it’s based on the Alfa Quad’s 690T. Maserati’s line-up is leaving V-8s and switching to Alfa’s engines, re-tuned. The other one being the 2.0TT.
So what are you advocating for? A de-tuned V6 from a Quad? WHY?
I love the design but the fact that I'm 6'5" tall and that's mid size. Like a Camery or Accord. It's just to small.
I'm 6'2, and fit perfectly. My brother drove my Giulia and he is 6'6. Just get one without the sunroof.
You left out predicted resale comparison.
If I had an Alfa dealer nearby, just for the handling alone I would be tempted by the base Giulia. Have a nearby Genesis dealer, the G70 has a great warranty, ventilated seats and not bad handling.
Except it's literally a Frankenstein with zero looks and driving dynamics compared to the seductive Giulia. I agree it has nice tech, however.
Thomas Ferraro Jr. Disagree on the driving dynamics comment, definitely, though would say the Alfa and XE are the leaders in the segment handling. Looks in the eye of the beholders, I like most small luxury sedan, love the uniqueness of the Alfa front, profile is good as are many sedans in this group.
@@93455Driver The Genesis didn't touch the Alfa for driving dynamics. Genesis has improved but it's numb at the limits. No comparison in that regard. It's competent, but lacks feel. I drove them all. My QV is just a blast. Again, G70 tech is better. It's a nice car, whichever you decide. Cheers
Thomas Ferraro Jr. Understood, the QV is definitely special.
2 pieces of leather?? Really Alex lol...
Speaking of asymmetrical, even the car plate is on the side.
why would most people be leasing them?
Because they’re expensive trash fires that are fun to drive, but are money pits after the 3-year warranty is done. If you bought one, you’re doing it wrong.
M340i = the POSER BMW
I’ve had my 2020 Giulia for about 8 months. Went for my first service at Alfa Romeo Birmingham, Al and received the worst service I’ve ever experienced at any dealer and from the SERVICE MANAGER! I’m currently looking for something to trade into as I refuse to drive to Georgia when it’s time for the 20k or if anything unexpected happens. If you’re in Alabama be ware of the service department at Alfa Romeo Birmingham, would not recommend..
No cooled seats at 70K?
The entire car is already the coolest around ....
Funny, I had that on a Volvo and I never really used it.
I will give the review a D.
So buy anything but the Giulia? That's what you are saying? I heard more about BMW than Alfa Romeo in this Video.
Comparative review, bud.
Giulia wonderful driving car but resale horrible . I suspect Alfa leaving USA cause very few in stock at dealers
They went from having way too many to not having any in a couple model years. I think the dealers were forced to bring so many in they pushed back and their pretty much out of everything now.
@@Jacobk66 Production (Corona) issues. Heard the new batches have now left the ports in Europe bound for US