My favorite part of these ships is the suicide attacks. Jem'hadar obeying orders without question. It makes so much sense. Mass produces soldiers and ships. Why not use them like that. When a Starfleet captain rams his ship, it's a heroic sacrifice. For the Jem'hadar, it's a Tuesday.
I always looked at it like the zero in worldwar 2, it was very formidable the first encounters but the when the federation adapted technology the the dominion didn't. They kept the same ships and the same tactics. Like the zero by the end of the way the jem hadar fighter was outclassed.
I wonder if the hull design is part of the suicide tactic. Perhaps the ship is that shape to ensure it cuts into a ship's hull rather than just exploding on contact.
Wow, that first "I'm Commander Cockings" sets a new record for mumbling. You compressed that entire title into a single syllable I think this time Commander.
I think the producers specifically made the Jem Hedar Fighter for the Defiant to destroy. They wanted an enemy for the Defiant to easily dispose of but still have the Jem Hedar be a formidable opponent.
looking at the windows on the model, it looks like there are at least three deck on that dorsal structure. but its only about 150m long, so are those really small windows?
To be fair for the Jem'Hadar Fighter, it is supposed to be the workhorse of the largest empire in the whole Milky Way. Just imagine how many species there is there, giving away their tech to the benefit of the Founders, who exploit all their scientists to produce cutting edge technology. The Jem'Hadar Fighter is basically the Defiant of the Dominion. Overpowered for its size, esigned to attack in swarms, or act alone as a reconnaissance ship. Plus, of course, giving away all that comfy space and extra features you see in Starfleet ships allowed her to pack a lot. It's kinda like a modern day "omnirole" fighter (french Rafale, or its sister fighter, the Eurofighter). It seems to be overpowered and able to do anything, when it is in reality all about having a well designed balance between everything. High complexity, high reward design (massive military savings in R&D, which is exactly what a huge Empire like the Dominion would want).
Power543 fan films Samuel, really liked your renderings in this episode, you light them in such a way that we can see the detail and enjoy the different angles that often isn't seen on the shows, especially in high definition! Thanks man!
Beetle in space. This ship and Defiant marked a change in the way the treated star trek ships in DS9. I did not really appreciate the change to be honest. They started moving and attacking more like starwars fighters. Then fighters crept in. The distinctive star trek feel went a bit missing I felt. I liked the submarinesk Wrath of Khan like battles myself. But I except this is just opinion.
yeah I didn't like the dogfight in space that the defiant era brought to trek. the only oft used ship I disliked more than this fighter was the defiant herself.
@ValorJ Omega be that as it may, Fighters have more or less been apart of the Beta canon/FASA, from the hornet to the Valkyrie squadrons, even stuff like the Midway Carrier. The Klingon B'rel and delta Flyer acts and was designed as a "Fighter" of sorts. As star trek has always been inspired by the Navy I don't need to stress the importance of fighters/Bombers in a fighting force. I also hate it when people compare fighters in star trek to star wars but never complain about Babylon 5 or Battlestar (which again been heavily inspired by the Navy) :)
I think it is a matter of taste and opinion! I really enjoyed the feel of Balance of Terror and Wrath of Khan, however, I don't think it a good visual representation of what Star Trek ships are really capable of. They're massive, but due to technological mastery of inertia and mass, they're fast and agile! Even Borg Cubes 3+ km to a side can accelerate quickly and change direction just as fast. In my mind, this actually differentiates Star Trek combat from Star Wars. In Star Wars fighters are fast and capital ships are incredibly slow. I don't think a command for evasive maneuvers makes much sense for a capital ship unless the ship actually has a chance to evade direct hits from the enemy, and with the targeting systems commonly displayed in Trek, that takes a lot of agility, exactly the kind we do not see in Balance of Terror and Khan, but we do see in Emissary, Sacrifice of Angels, Tears of the Prophets, and ST: Nemesis. But I think we agree on one thing, there isn't much of a place for actual combat fighter craft in Trek. Ship of the line defenses are too strong, engines too powerful, and weapon targeting and ranges are simply too efficient to leave much tactical room for fighters. The battle in Ds9: Sacrifice of Angels illustrates this nicely, with squadron after squadron of Starfleet Attack Fighters being wiped out without much damage done to the enemy.
I think its the unique approach that I liked. We already have starwars, Buck Rogers an Battlestar which have great fun with fighter craft. (Later B5). All of which I like and enjoy. Kirk nailed his 5 year mission with no sign of fighters. Just think that star trek did not really need it.
Commander Cockings with stubble is a great look! It worked for Commander Riker! :-) Just taking the piss mate, we're not used to you being so grown up!
And the captain looking sharp with spiky hair. Video probably is a few weeks old, this is a good luck for both of you, you both seem happy and on point.
I have a problem calling a ship 150 m with what appears to be no less than 6 decks a fighter. You could launch scout fighters off that *fighter*. You could fit more than a dozen Vipers or Wasps on it.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very well done and very well informatively explained indeed guys, Also just to let you know I have all 3 of Jem'Hadar ships from Eaglemoss 👌
I always loved the Dominion aesthetic. If you think about the structure of the Dominion it makes sense that this was a jack of all trades vessel. You're not going to control territory with Battleships, you need something swift and nimble that hits hard and can deliver troops to hot zones. The only thing that seems a little off is the slow speed. Was Dominion engine tech less advanced than Alpha Quadrant races?
Chief Jericho in many ways they were more advanced as they had transporters with far greater range (practically out of system), could detect cloaked ships better, their weapons initially weren’t affected by federation shields and ground weapons would have an anticoagulant effect on a target to ensure they bled out without proper medical treatment. Though they seemed to have lower warp speeds and less advanced medical tech.
Commander Cockings, your rendering is actually worthy of being in movies. You have quite a talent for this. Have you ever considered asking for a spot on the Star Trek design team? I think you would have a great chance at getting a job with them. As always, please continue making it so 🖖
Thank you Mike! I very much tried to take it to the next level and provide those animations which look like they could have been right out of DS9. Lol! You cant ask for a position on any pro-team..let along Discovery. Remember though, Discovery likes to go its own way and does not actively try to include superfans who really understand the old canon, as they want to forge their own stuff. (If i was on the design team i would have made changes to every single ship/station/shuttle design to make it work better in universe) Thank you very much though!!!
They can make a model of the Kazon Torpedo, a ship that only appeared in 1 Star Trek episode, but the can't make a model of a ship that was in an entire series?
The Dominion Bug Ship was one of those ships that I liked from the beginning, but I thought was a bit OP at first. Doing way too much for it's size... however, yes I do understand why they appeared that way AT FIRST. But then, as time went on, it became a cannon fodder kind of ship blowing up as often as Mirandas and BoPs. It really is an awesome design, though.
I wanted to ask, Since they have redefined the size of our galaxy to somewhere between 150,000 - 200,000 light years across, how does that effect the Star Trek galaxy since there technically still on the old 100,000 (Voyager ) Also I can start watching videos again due to Discovery now on Netflix and I don’t need to avoid spoilers.
The "resizing" of the Milky Way shouldnt really effect Star Trek maps. What we usually think of the basic galaxy map is still the same - a center mass with long curved arms. That's still roughly 100,000 ly across. The resized 150,000 - 200,000 ly is simply further celestial bodies spread further out from what we now consider part of the Milky Way. Kinda like looking at our Solar System - most pics stop around Neptune 30 AU's out, and that's fine, but the actual outer edge is the Oort Cloud at 200,000 AU's - over half way to Alpha Centauri.
Shane Graham Thanks 🙂 but I already knew all that lol, I was just wondering how the resize would effect the ST galaxy now , since they are on the old scale .
Shane Graham No, you gave the Wikipedia version, what I was asking is how do you think this - (Resize will effect the Star Trek one) given that they now working in a galaxy that’s smaller then it actually is, they now have an extra 25,000 to 50,000 light years explore to the edge Old> [-( * )-] new > {-{-[-( * )-]-}-} If you draw the ST galaxy map, then put the extra space - it now make what was the Dominion, and Borg space which where both near the edge of there respective quadrants, smack bang in the Center of the galaxy, Well (1/2 to 3/4) Voyager being pulled to Edge of the Delta Quadrant, is now (1/2 to 3/4) Of the galaxy, they now missed 25-50KLY past them, in there getting back to home, ( it’s like room say 4 x4 meters is now either 6by6 or 8 by 8 meters, everything that filled the original room is now in the Center of that room) there’s now a vast amount of new alien friends and foes that they can introduce, or they can keep to the old version and quietly ignore the new scale.
We're going round and round here - the "edge" of the galaxy is the same as it's always been - we're just adding the dusting of stars past the "edge" - if the galaxy was a kiddie pool filled with sand, our sensors are strong enough to see the grains scattered in the yard. Technically, it makes the galaxy bigger, but the location of the various sand pails and shovels haven't changed, they're just further away from the farthest grain of sand in the yard.
Just 2 issues with this ship. I really wanted it without nacelles, just the weird purple glowie on the abdomen, that looks neither warp or impulse. Dominion is only large civ more technologically advanced than the federation, and had a totally isolated tech/innovation history, so you could get away with a pretty radical design. The no view screen vr headsets were the real problem. Ship captains need only general awareness, helm control and weapons targeting is far more critical and if anything, the gunner and pilot would need the headsets more than the captain. Trek tech does have sensors ,but most critical maneuvers are done by mark 1 eyeball via view screen or window. A fighter pilot with full 360 visual cues can make a dozen instinctual decisions on throttle, orientation,weapons track, ect. A pilot on a jem hadar ship in same time frame can get one oral order on heading speed which thruster to manually fire he and gunnetr flying blind with only 2d MFD radar scopes and simple icons for ship and targets ,x y axis locations only. Maybe a simple vector wireframe to maneuver when flying over hazardous terrain.
@7:25 Admantium is an alloy of steel, vibranium, and other unspecificed metals and elements, but then again I don't think anyone's here for your expansive knowledge of the Marvel universe
Adamantium normally doesn't have any vibranium. Captain America's shield is a unique (unreproducible) blending of Adamantium & Vibranium and is stronger than regular Adamantium (like used in Wolverine's hones).
We want to ensure this channel never just turns into Live Streams...those are extra to help cover costs but at our core we are about high quality, well scripted, heavily researched, new renders, custom animation and well presented ship videos..the best out there you can find of this type! So...enjoy! :D
@@saladinbob there is 0% chance we would have raised the same income or got the same views :) We have about 2 years experience with Discovery based videos and how well they do so believe me we know :)
yeah about that battle....lol i have to say....it was clearly what the writers wanted to show....and thus we have canon...the Odyssey didnt even fire its photons...i mean if we are tearing apart the Discovery show what should we have done about that scene...and i am not talking about the polaron beam but the restraint they showed of what a galaxy class can do....
My favorite part of these ships is the suicide attacks. Jem'hadar obeying orders without question. It makes so much sense. Mass produces soldiers and ships. Why not use them like that. When a Starfleet captain rams his ship, it's a heroic sacrifice. For the Jem'hadar, it's a Tuesday.
Victory is life!
I always looked at it like the zero in worldwar 2, it was very formidable the first encounters but the when the federation adapted technology the the dominion didn't. They kept the same ships and the same tactics. Like the zero by the end of the way the jem hadar fighter was outclassed.
I wonder if the hull design is part of the suicide tactic. Perhaps the ship is that shape to ensure it cuts into a ship's hull rather than just exploding on contact.
You guys do such a great job on these Breakdown videos. I'm very impressed with the quality of your videos.
Produced in large numbers
And
Destroyed in large numbers.
Wow, that first "I'm Commander Cockings" sets a new record for mumbling. You compressed that entire title into a single syllable I think this time Commander.
I think the producers specifically made the Jem Hedar Fighter for the Defiant to destroy. They wanted an enemy for the Defiant to easily dispose of but still have the Jem Hedar be a formidable opponent.
looking at the windows on the model, it looks like there are at least three deck on that dorsal structure. but its only about 150m long, so are those really small windows?
I gave up on the windows in star trek a long time ago ^^
To be fair for the Jem'Hadar Fighter, it is supposed to be the workhorse of the largest empire in the whole Milky Way. Just imagine how many species there is there, giving away their tech to the benefit of the Founders, who exploit all their scientists to produce cutting edge technology. The Jem'Hadar Fighter is basically the Defiant of the Dominion. Overpowered for its size, esigned to attack in swarms, or act alone as a reconnaissance ship. Plus, of course, giving away all that comfy space and extra features you see in Starfleet ships allowed her to pack a lot. It's kinda like a modern day "omnirole" fighter (french Rafale, or its sister fighter, the Eurofighter). It seems to be overpowered and able to do anything, when it is in reality all about having a well designed balance between everything. High complexity, high reward design (massive military savings in R&D, which is exactly what a huge Empire like the Dominion would want).
Power543 fan films Samuel, really liked your renderings in this episode, you light them in such a way that we can see the detail and enjoy the different angles that often isn't seen on the shows, especially in high definition!
Thanks man!
Beetle in space. This ship and Defiant marked a change in the way the treated star trek ships in DS9. I did not really appreciate the change to be honest.
They started moving and attacking more like starwars fighters. Then fighters crept in. The distinctive star trek feel went a bit missing I felt.
I liked the submarinesk Wrath of Khan like battles myself.
But I except this is just opinion.
yeah I didn't like the dogfight in space that the defiant era brought to trek. the only oft used ship I disliked more than this fighter was the defiant herself.
Accept, not except. You're right about the battle approach being a thing of taste.
@ValorJ Omega be that as it may, Fighters have more or less been apart of the Beta canon/FASA, from the hornet to the Valkyrie squadrons, even stuff like the Midway Carrier. The Klingon B'rel and delta Flyer acts and was designed as a "Fighter" of sorts. As star trek has always been inspired by the Navy I don't need to stress the importance of fighters/Bombers in a fighting force. I also hate it when people compare fighters in star trek to star wars but never complain about Babylon 5 or Battlestar (which again been heavily inspired by the Navy) :)
I think it is a matter of taste and opinion! I really enjoyed the feel of Balance of Terror and Wrath of Khan, however, I don't think it a good visual representation of what Star Trek ships are really capable of. They're massive, but due to technological mastery of inertia and mass, they're fast and agile! Even Borg Cubes 3+ km to a side can accelerate quickly and change direction just as fast. In my mind, this actually differentiates Star Trek combat from Star Wars. In Star Wars fighters are fast and capital ships are incredibly slow. I don't think a command for evasive maneuvers makes much sense for a capital ship unless the ship actually has a chance to evade direct hits from the enemy, and with the targeting systems commonly displayed in Trek, that takes a lot of agility, exactly the kind we do not see in Balance of Terror and Khan, but we do see in Emissary, Sacrifice of Angels, Tears of the Prophets, and ST: Nemesis.
But I think we agree on one thing, there isn't much of a place for actual combat fighter craft in Trek. Ship of the line defenses are too strong, engines too powerful, and weapon targeting and ranges are simply too efficient to leave much tactical room for fighters. The battle in Ds9: Sacrifice of Angels illustrates this nicely, with squadron after squadron of Starfleet Attack Fighters being wiped out without much damage done to the enemy.
I think its the unique approach that I liked. We already have starwars, Buck Rogers an Battlestar which have great fun with fighter craft. (Later B5). All of which I like and enjoy.
Kirk nailed his 5 year mission with no sign of fighters. Just think that star trek did not really need it.
Commander Cockings with stubble is a great look! It worked for Commander Riker!
:-)
Just taking the piss mate, we're not used to you being so grown up!
And the captain looking sharp with spiky hair. Video probably is a few weeks old, this is a good luck for both of you, you both seem happy and on point.
Yes, good to see everyone in a good mood! Helps my mood for sure!
Thank you trekyards great breakdown love your banter as always...
What episode of Voyager did it appear on anybody know?
I have a problem calling a ship 150 m with what appears to be no less than 6 decks a fighter. You could launch scout fighters off that *fighter*. You could fit more than a dozen Vipers or Wasps on it.
Despite the name, these are not fighters. They're basically light cruisers or escorts that can punch above their weight class.
Great Episode fellas
🖖😎👍Very cool and very well done and very well informatively explained indeed guys, Also just to let you know I have all 3 of Jem'Hadar ships from Eaglemoss 👌
I always loved the Dominion aesthetic. If you think about the structure of the Dominion it makes sense that this was a jack of all trades vessel. You're not going to control territory with Battleships, you need something swift and nimble that hits hard and can deliver troops to hot zones. The only thing that seems a little off is the slow speed. Was Dominion engine tech less advanced than Alpha Quadrant races?
Chief Jericho in many ways they were more advanced as they had transporters with far greater range (practically out of system), could detect cloaked ships better, their weapons initially weren’t affected by federation shields and ground weapons would have an anticoagulant effect on a target to ensure they bled out without proper medical treatment. Though they seemed to have lower warp speeds and less advanced medical tech.
My Dominion War nolstagia is coming back to me. I miss that game.
Commander Cockings, your rendering is actually worthy of being in movies. You have quite a talent for this. Have you ever considered asking for a spot on the Star Trek design team? I think you would have a great chance at getting a job with them. As always, please continue making it so 🖖
Thank you Mike! I very much tried to take it to the next level and provide those animations which look like they could have been right out of DS9.
Lol! You cant ask for a position on any pro-team..let along Discovery. Remember though, Discovery likes to go its own way and does not actively try to include superfans who really understand the old canon, as they want to forge their own stuff. (If i was on the design team i would have made changes to every single ship/station/shuttle design to make it work better in universe)
Thank you very much though!!!
Cool CGI. It's great work.
Hmm, which part of the ship is actually visible in The Ship? Nothing on the ship model looks like that entrance hatch in the sand.
Really good review!
Just fyi, memory alpha has changed its crew from 1 vorta and 42 jem hadar
Beautiful looking ship I like bugs, I like your break down of this ship thanks
They can make a model of the Kazon Torpedo, a ship that only appeared in 1 Star Trek episode, but the can't make a model of a ship that was in an entire series?
Question: when the crashed ship is burried in the mountain, which part of the ship's exterior can we actually see? I think it is pretty hard to tell.
The bottom/the belly!
@@SGUDistantHope between the purple grills of the aft section i guess? Thanks commander
Another great episode gents 😉
The Dominion Bug Ship was one of those ships that I liked from the beginning, but I thought was a bit OP at first. Doing way too much for it's size... however, yes I do understand why they appeared that way AT FIRST. But then, as time went on, it became a cannon fodder kind of ship blowing up as often as Mirandas and BoPs. It really is an awesome design, though.
Bugs, and Hemiptera specifically, are some of my favorite animals :-) This ship design is interesting.
I dislike most bugs (kinda fear those creapy crawlers/flyers), but I like the ship 😅
Let's hope we see some of these in the new Picard series.
Woo Lightwave! Fantastic software. Also used for Titanic and Babylon 5.
and Stargate and Firefly and BSG! :)
So for a crew of 12, you need 3 decks? on a ship?
Plus troops I think they said.
Ds9 never seemed to use shields that often 🤔
It does look like a tick or flea doesn't it. They are made of a Neutronium alloy?
You spupd or included star trek jem'hardar bug online ship
They are pretty much backwards Federation ships. Love em
I wanted to ask, Since they have redefined the size of our galaxy to somewhere between 150,000 - 200,000 light years across, how does that effect the Star Trek galaxy since there technically still on the old 100,000 (Voyager )
Also I can start watching videos again due to Discovery now on Netflix and I don’t need to avoid spoilers.
The "resizing" of the Milky Way shouldnt really effect Star Trek maps.
What we usually think of the basic galaxy map is still the same - a center mass with long curved arms. That's still roughly 100,000 ly across.
The resized 150,000 - 200,000 ly is simply further celestial bodies spread further out from what we now consider part of the Milky Way.
Kinda like looking at our Solar System - most pics stop around Neptune 30 AU's out, and that's fine, but the actual outer edge is the Oort Cloud at 200,000 AU's - over half way to Alpha Centauri.
Shane Graham Thanks 🙂 but I already knew all that lol, I was just wondering how the resize would effect the ST galaxy now , since they are on the old scale .
@@lasarith2 Isn't that what I answered?
Shane Graham No, you gave the Wikipedia version, what I was asking is how do you think this - (Resize will effect the Star Trek one)
given that they now working in a galaxy that’s smaller then it actually is, they now have an extra 25,000 to 50,000 light years explore to the edge
Old> [-( * )-] new > {-{-[-( * )-]-}-}
If you draw the ST galaxy map, then put the extra space - it now make what was the Dominion, and Borg space which where both near the edge of there respective quadrants, smack bang in the Center of the galaxy, Well (1/2 to 3/4) Voyager being pulled to Edge of the Delta Quadrant, is now (1/2 to 3/4)
Of the galaxy, they now missed 25-50KLY past them, in there getting back to home,
( it’s like room say 4 x4 meters is now either 6by6 or 8 by 8 meters, everything that filled the original room is now in the Center of that room) there’s now a vast amount of new alien friends and foes that they can introduce, or they can keep to the old version and quietly ignore the new scale.
We're going round and round here - the "edge" of the galaxy is the same as it's always been - we're just adding the dusting of stars past the "edge" - if the galaxy was a kiddie pool filled with sand, our sensors are strong enough to see the grains scattered in the yard.
Technically, it makes the galaxy bigger, but the location of the various sand pails and shovels haven't changed, they're just further away from the farthest grain of sand in the yard.
Just 2 issues with this ship.
I really wanted it without nacelles, just the weird purple glowie on the abdomen, that looks neither warp or impulse. Dominion is only large civ more technologically advanced than the federation, and had a totally isolated tech/innovation history, so you could get away with a pretty radical design.
The no view screen vr headsets were the real problem. Ship captains need only general awareness, helm control and weapons targeting is far more critical and if anything, the gunner and pilot would need the headsets more than the captain. Trek tech does have sensors ,but most critical maneuvers are done by mark 1 eyeball via view screen or window.
A fighter pilot with full 360 visual cues can make a dozen instinctual decisions on throttle, orientation,weapons track, ect. A pilot on a jem hadar ship in same time frame can get one oral order on heading speed which thruster to manually fire he and gunnetr flying blind with only 2d MFD radar scopes and simple icons for ship and targets ,x y axis locations only. Maybe a simple vector wireframe to maneuver when flying over hazardous terrain.
@7:25 Admantium is an alloy of steel, vibranium, and other unspecificed metals and elements, but then again I don't think anyone's here for your expansive knowledge of the Marvel universe
Adamantium normally doesn't have any vibranium.
Captain America's shield is a unique (unreproducible) blending of Adamantium & Vibranium and is stronger than regular Adamantium (like used in Wolverine's hones).
Thought you'd do a livestream about this for easy $ . But you could easily do a part 2 and livestream that to make up for it 🤑😂😉
We want to ensure this channel never just turns into Live Streams...those are extra to help cover costs but at our core we are about high quality, well scripted, heavily researched, new renders, custom animation and well presented ship videos..the best out there you can find of this type! So...enjoy! :D
@@SGUDistantHope Rather than 3 live streams on a largely unpopular show you could have done one on this and had the same amount. Food for thought.
@@saladinbob there is 0% chance we would have raised the same income or got the same views :) We have about 2 years experience with Discovery based videos and how well they do so believe me we know :)
Looks like a deer tick to me , lil brown an black with white spots on it's back kids tick . Not bad look tho
Interesting, but never really liked it or the other Dominion ships. Need to re-watch the series again.
JemH'dar purple tick.
0:24 OMG, this must be a lowpoint in the history of mankind!
And No, I cannot like this episode, even when I think I should when hitting the end, cause that intro-joke is irredeemable!
Drama queen
This was the start of the end of Star Trek. B,S that is what is going on with star trek now.😣😥
yeah about that battle....lol i have to say....it was clearly what the writers wanted to show....and thus we have canon...the Odyssey didnt even fire its photons...i mean if we are tearing apart the Discovery show what should we have done about that scene...and i am not talking about the polaron beam but the restraint they showed of what a galaxy class can do....
Old ST has it's issues, but discovery is just depressive and weird to watch (first season at least).
first