Remember that in the pitched battle against the Vulcan fleet, the Andorians were able to hold their own against the Vulcans while outnumbered two to one, forcing a stalemate before Vulcan High Command eventually decided to call off the invasion. Those are beefy ships, they don't need to be large to be powerful. Enterprise is an explorer, after all. These are warships.
Please don't talk about real world military designs and relate it to style or it representing humans. They are built the way they are for function. When a aircraft manufacturer designs a craft for trials to the USAF or Navy/Marine Corps they do it to meet the requirements listed and to win the contract. They don't ask does this let folks know this is a Boeing/McDonnell Douglas design etc. So even though artists and then the producers have to sign off on ship designs for the shows it should be looked at the ships are manufactured for function not aesthetics. In my opinion.
Bigger doesn't necessarily mean stronger. We of course saw the Connie Defiant blast and Andorian ship and a Vulcan D'Kyr with ease. The DS9 Defiant was one shot away from destroying the much larger Excelsior class Lakota in "Paradise Lost". The Enterprise-D could've destroyed the huge Lysian command center with one torpedo in "Conundrum". And the Kumari itself was destroyed by a Romulan drone, which was a much, much smaller ship, from what I've read.
I do not like this ship. I loathe how this proves absolutely nothing was taken from the alien cultures’ designs which are part of the Federation for the Constitution-class. 23:35 That does not feel right. The D7 is smaller and less armed than an Andorian ship?
The Andorian ship introduced in Enterprise might be a bit generic...but I *do* like how Cryptic took the basic Andorian design philosophy established in Enterprise and "Trek-ified" it (is that a word?) for Star Trek Online. The 25th Century Kumari, and its variants, are pretty awesome ships.
It's a pre-Federation alien ship ... of course you want it to look different compared to a human/Federation ship. It's fine, it gives the impression of a powerful no nonsense war ship.
There is every reason to put photon tubes at the front of the ship. 1-expedite departure. 2. To expedite attack. (Since a ship has to approach it' prey no additional maneuvers to reach optimum attack posture. 3. The Forard arc is the narrowest serves as defensively harder to hit. 4. Armament can be clustered for Alpha Strikers and Time-on Target-Strikes
Torpedoes are like guided missiles (according to the tech manuals, anyway) - it doesn't matter which way they're fired as they can change course and hit anyway.
Honestly...annoyed with the default "It doesn't seem STAR TREK" "ridicule". As usual not EVERY alien ship HAS to obey the "rules" of the Federation design, if that were to happen then I would not have loved most alien ships that are different from the Federation. Also if the Kumari was of a different design I wouldn't have loved or even liked it as I do with the FINAL version, that design Stuart "prefers" to the final makes me think it's a combo of a reversed Xindi Insectoid ship with the rear of the particle collector that the Son'a used in Insurrection, either way I don't see how that ship would look better than the Kumari...I can't think of anything constructive as to why I don't like the ship Sam chose, and no need to ridicule the other one as that was pointed out.
Captain Lokiawa and not all classes of Starfleet ships have to look alike. Sometimes function means you make something different looking like stealth aircraft and ships. To deflect radar you have to use sharp edges, by that notion the B2 bomber and F-117 (retired) do not look like other USAF aircraft. Nor does the US Navy stealth vessels.
Perhaps the rear parts create the warp-bubble that allow the two nacelles to function independently from each other (As the ship break the 'line of sight' rule otherwise). Also, on the STO version(s), the wing-tip arrays are specialized heavy phaser cannon ("Wing Cannons"). Links to the STO wiki pages for the ships (its a set of 3 variants): 1) sto.gamepedia.com/Andorian_Kumari_Escort 2) sto.gamepedia.com/Andorian_Khyzon_Escort 3) sto.gamepedia.com/Andorian_Charal_Escort Oh! And would you guys like to see an updated re-make of the Miranda class? ~JD
Upper right and lower left look to me like they are ABSOLUTELY nodding to the Andor class with the "frog leg"-shaped pylon/arms being on the exterior and attaching to inner but separated engines/pods. Good question for Mr. Eaves!
Dude, they don't have to look Trekkie cuz it's a new ship from a new species. It could look like a blob and it could still be in Star Trek. You see alien ships are gonna come in all shapes and sizes and they don't have to all look "star trekkie".
I've always liked this design, to me its the opposite of what Mr Foley said, it reeks of Andorian culture, tough, purposeful, sharp. I always liked to think that their ice breaker ships that Shran mentions from their history were similarly sharp and pointy. Great ep though.
Hmm iirc there were mentions in such trek epps like Fairest Of them All that the Kumari was classed as Kumari Class Battle Cruiser. Weapons compliment 360 degree particle cannons and andorian phaser beam.
the Andorian ships are reminesent of ships in Super Dimension Fortress Macross, the Zentradi whale ships were styled very much like the Andorian ships.
Although it does have a design that reminds me of other sci fi ships that is kinda why I like it. The nose reminds me of the I.A.S Excalibur from Babylon 5. A ship I love. I also find it interesting that the Kumari has this kind of split shell look with the top and bottom of the main hull makes it look like it could have had the ability to "clamp down" in a fight. Then opening when not in danger for better sensor readings or something. Doesn't seem to be the case but it has that look.
We humans do have a species related ship asthetic. Our ships are sleek. We're sleek. Vulcan ships are pointy. Vulcans are pointy. Andorian ships have antennae. Andorians have antennae.
It seems generic, but it really has a distinctive look that IS only Andorian. Also, the species isn't completely war-like: we encounter their military, but that doesn't mean that represents the entire species.
I'm guessing the deflector is inside the orb-like shape located on the top of the ship, in front of the engineering/engine section. In the fan model it's a big glowy-thing. And if you can put a radar dish in a dome, why couldn't you put a deflector dish in one? I don't see any reason.
I fly one in STO as my main ship. She's fast, carries a ton of guns, and works as a pocket carrier. She has two remote operated drones with phaser cannons on them.
i had seen the andorians before in tos and i was like "wtf is wrong with these guys?". Then the kumari came along and i became a die hard andorian fan! love the kumari and i love how the STO evolved the design!
is it possible, and I don't know if anyone else has said this, but could those be the bussard collectors on the back of the ship? The blowing blue bits, I mean just because other ships have them on the front of their nacelles doesn't mean that different races that came up with warp in different ways do it the same way. I think that we are all a bit brainwashed in the fact that this is the way we have seen things for so long that we believe it has to be this way
It is really hard to dissipate heat in space, so the refrigeration idea may work, the white light being a way of showing the heat radiating into space, the heat being converted into EM radiation.
the blueat the rear could be the engines power core much like the blue dome on top of the constitution class impulse engine was like the top of the warp core
Kumari is a common Sri-Lankan / Indian name and is a Hindu religious deity. Wonder if Andorians are Hindus or Buddhists? ;-) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumari I hope we spend time and get to know Andorians more in future Treks.
This is one of my favorite ships , I loved it in ENT and I use it all the time on STOnline, its a very powerful warship when outfitted well. the only tactical ship I like better than this one is the Jem Hadar Attack Ship. (I know there are science and engineering variatiions of this ship in STO but since there are so many better ships for engine or science officers to use, any version of this ship should be used as a tactical escort IMO).
the Enterprise ships were great.
The Andorians were my favorite people
One of the better starship designs in all of Star Trek in my opinion.
Remember that in the pitched battle against the Vulcan fleet, the Andorians were able to hold their own against the Vulcans while outnumbered two to one, forcing a stalemate before Vulcan High Command eventually decided to call off the invasion. Those are beefy ships, they don't need to be large to be powerful. Enterprise is an explorer, after all. These are warships.
I always like that design. Fast, aggressive, real warship.
Please don't talk about real world military designs and relate it to style or it representing humans. They are built the way they are for function. When a aircraft manufacturer designs a craft for trials to the USAF or Navy/Marine Corps they do it to meet the requirements listed and to win the contract.
They don't ask does this let folks know this is a Boeing/McDonnell Douglas design etc.
So even though artists and then the producers have to sign off on ship designs for the shows it should be looked at the ships are manufactured for function not aesthetics. In my opinion.
Bigger doesn't necessarily mean stronger. We of course saw the Connie Defiant blast and Andorian ship and a Vulcan D'Kyr with ease. The DS9 Defiant was one shot away from destroying the much larger Excelsior class Lakota in "Paradise Lost". The Enterprise-D could've destroyed the huge Lysian command center with one torpedo in "Conundrum".
And the Kumari itself was destroyed by a Romulan drone, which was a much, much smaller ship, from what I've read.
bigger is sometimes better, V'EGR, the Borg TAC cube, and the Dinosaur city ship from voyager.
I do not like this ship.
I loathe how this proves absolutely nothing was taken from the alien cultures’ designs which are part of the Federation for the Constitution-class.
23:35 That does not feel right. The D7 is smaller and less armed than an Andorian ship?
Andorian Phasers was more powerful then the Starfleet Phasers but still the starfleet neglected it.
The Andorian phasers were blue in ENT and fed was red, the Andorian design apparently got adopted so by TOS you have the blue phasers.
The Kumari is great and it really suits the Andorians and Captain Shran
So what was an Andorian ship prior to the Federation suppose to look like in your minds?
Finally, someone who makes sense.
The Andorian ship introduced in Enterprise might be a bit generic...but I *do* like how Cryptic took the basic Andorian design philosophy established in Enterprise and "Trek-ified" it (is that a word?) for Star Trek Online. The 25th Century Kumari, and its variants, are pretty awesome ships.
Seconded.
in STO the weapons pods are detachable, and fly around attacking independently.
you guys always go on about length . but volume is way more important.
The Andorian cruiser reminds me of a blue whale. Look at that head / front part.
I recollect that the ship was PRE-FEDERATION and as such should not be expected to conform to any post Federation charter design.
In the opening, Stuart should've asked "How are you FEELING, a little blue, perhaps? "
It's a pre-Federation alien ship ... of course you want it to look different compared to a human/Federation ship. It's fine, it gives the impression of a powerful no nonsense war ship.
There is every reason to put photon tubes at the front of the ship. 1-expedite departure. 2. To expedite attack. (Since a ship has to approach it' prey no additional maneuvers to reach optimum attack posture. 3. The Forard arc is the narrowest serves as defensively harder to hit. 4. Armament can be clustered for Alpha Strikers and Time-on Target-Strikes
Torp turrets even better, but rare in Star Trek.
Torpedoes are like guided missiles (according to the tech manuals, anyway) - it doesn't matter which way they're fired as they can change course and hit anyway.
First time I saw the ship I was like "ok it's a ship". Now that I see all of this I love it!
Honestly...annoyed with the default "It doesn't seem STAR TREK" "ridicule".
As usual not EVERY alien ship HAS to obey the "rules" of the Federation design, if that were to happen then I would not have loved most alien ships that are different from the Federation. Also if the Kumari was of a different design I wouldn't have loved or even liked it as I do with the FINAL version, that design Stuart "prefers" to the final makes me think it's a combo of a reversed Xindi Insectoid ship with the rear of the particle collector that the Son'a used in Insurrection, either way I don't see how that ship would look better than the Kumari...I can't think of anything constructive as to why I don't like the ship Sam chose, and no need to ridicule the other one as that was pointed out.
Captain Lokiawa and not all classes of Starfleet ships have to look alike. Sometimes function means you make something different looking like stealth aircraft and ships. To deflect radar you have to use sharp edges, by that notion the B2 bomber and F-117 (retired) do not look like other USAF aircraft. Nor does the US Navy stealth vessels.
It looks like it could be on Farscape maybe?
The front of it looks like Jaffa energy staff from Stargate
Maybe they use a common warp drive up to a certain speed, then a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT F.T.L. drive for higher speeds, or places warp won't work.
Cool race, cool ship!
Perhaps the rear parts create the warp-bubble that allow the two nacelles to function independently from each other (As the ship break the 'line of sight' rule otherwise). Also, on the STO version(s), the wing-tip arrays are specialized heavy phaser cannon ("Wing Cannons").
Links to the STO wiki pages for the ships (its a set of 3 variants):
1) sto.gamepedia.com/Andorian_Kumari_Escort
2) sto.gamepedia.com/Andorian_Khyzon_Escort
3) sto.gamepedia.com/Andorian_Charal_Escort
Oh! And would you guys like to see an updated re-make of the Miranda class?
~JD
Upper right and lower left look to me like they are ABSOLUTELY nodding to the Andor class with the "frog leg"-shaped pylon/arms being on the exterior and attaching to inner but separated engines/pods. Good question for Mr. Eaves!
Hmmm... A lot of different influences, like the Star Destroyer-Stafleet mashup that is the USS Discovery...
Front section reminds me of front of battlestar pegasus.
Dude, they don't have to look Trekkie cuz it's a new ship from a new species. It could look like a blob and it could still be in Star Trek. You see alien ships are gonna come in all shapes and sizes and they don't have to all look "star trekkie".
I've always liked this design, to me its the opposite of what Mr Foley said, it reeks of Andorian culture, tough, purposeful, sharp. I always liked to think that their ice breaker ships that Shran mentions from their history were similarly sharp and pointy.
Great ep though.
For a ship more advanced than the Terran fleet, the kumari in ST legacy was an underpowered sluggish dog's breakfast.
Hmm iirc there were mentions in such trek epps like Fairest Of them All that the Kumari was classed as Kumari Class Battle Cruiser.
Weapons compliment 360 degree particle cannons and andorian phaser beam.
the Andorian ships are reminesent of ships in Super Dimension Fortress Macross, the Zentradi whale ships were styled very much like the Andorian ships.
About Time stamp 15 you say the bottom right is less generic then the final. I guess you do not remember Star Blazers. Reminds me of the fighters. lol
Although it does have a design that reminds me of other sci fi ships that is kinda why I like it. The nose reminds me of the I.A.S Excalibur from Babylon 5. A ship I love. I also find it interesting that the Kumari has this kind of split shell look with the top and bottom of the main hull makes it look like it could have had the ability to "clamp down" in a fight. Then opening when not in danger for better sensor readings or something. Doesn't seem to be the case but it has that look.
Babylon 5, the series that came afterward Crusade. I believe it was called that. Thanks again.
We humans do have a species related ship asthetic. Our ships are sleek. We're sleek. Vulcan ships are pointy. Vulcans are pointy. Andorian ships have antennae. Andorians have antennae.
It seems generic, but it really has a distinctive look that IS only Andorian. Also, the species isn't completely war-like: we encounter their military, but that doesn't mean that represents the entire species.
I'm guessing the deflector is inside the orb-like shape located on the top of the ship, in front of the engineering/engine section. In the fan model it's a big glowy-thing.
And if you can put a radar dish in a dome, why couldn't you put a deflector dish in one? I don't see any reason.
I fly one in STO as my main ship. She's fast, carries a ton of guns, and works as a pocket carrier. She has two remote operated drones with phaser cannons on them.
i had seen the andorians before in tos and i was like "wtf is wrong with these guys?". Then the kumari came along and i became a die hard andorian fan! love the kumari and i love how the STO evolved the design!
Will you guys do an analysis of the D'kyr class ship from Enterprise? Thanks.
"Us pink skins" suggests that Andorians only met earth people of northern european descent.
Seems unreasonable.
I'd like to see an episode about double | multilayered shield bubble, like that one we see in the episode of TNG "Datalore".
The back lighted area blue/white may be power generation similiar to the base of DS9.
The back glowing bit could be a deflector shield generator, placed in back to prevent damage
This is one of the ships I would like to see on the Star Trek Legacy Ultimate Universe mod.
is it possible, and I don't know if anyone else has said this, but could
those be the bussard collectors on the back of the ship? The blowing
blue bits, I mean just because other ships have them on the front of
their nacelles doesn't mean that different races that came up with warp
in different ways do it the same way. I think that we are all a bit
brainwashed in the fact that this is the way we have seen things for so
long that we believe it has to be this way
It is really hard to dissipate heat in space, so the refrigeration idea may work, the white light being a way of showing the heat radiating into space, the heat being converted into EM radiation.
It makes me think of an angular version of the Whitestar from Babylon 5
the blueat the rear could be the engines power core much like the blue dome on top of the constitution class impulse engine was like the top of the warp core
Perhaps the Andorrans don’t think of their antennas are their representation. Perhaps an Arsenal with engines speaks more in their view?
Looks like the Normandy from Mass Effect
Kumari Vs. Raptor would be a great fight.
There are some more Andorian variants and ship classes on STO im pretty sure too
Kumari is a common Sri-Lankan / Indian name and is a Hindu religious deity. Wonder if Andorians are Hindus or Buddhists? ;-)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumari
I hope we spend time and get to know Andorians more in future Treks.
LOL! tru dat!!
But shhhh, space Jesus might hear you....
Well there is no reason to have the launchers on the front if you are standing totally still. Space battles never tend to do that.
wen I see a andorian ship I see a retrofitted fighter jet lol :D
think 'little shop of horrors' "feed me seymour"
thats how i would design an alien ship if i had no creativity
Frist to commit, and the fifty viewer. :)
The big bits on the wings are cannon launchers
looks like a design inspired by pliers
I wish this ship appeared more often.
I love everything Andorion
Now this awesome ship design
the bottom left looks Son'a
Glass cannon but a fun one nonetheless.
this ship dont use photon torpedos
Been waiting for this one
you guys are awesome
"The Andorian Battle cruiser is one of my favorite and coolest looking "Star Trek: Enterprise" ships!"
Those are wing cannons. ;)
White star from B5
Lego dinosaur.
Do Enterprise A (Star Trek Beyond) Next! Please!!!!!
We will after the movie has been out longer!
power543 Sweet, thank you! Certainly looking forward to seeing that episode.
Shran was awesome 😃
This is one of my favorite ships , I loved it in ENT and I use it all the time on STOnline, its a very powerful warship when outfitted well. the only tactical ship I like better than this one is the Jem Hadar Attack Ship. (I know there are science and engineering variatiions of this ship in STO but since there are so many better ships for engine or science officers to use, any version of this ship should be used as a tactical escort IMO).
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Love it
One of my favourite ships! Great looking ship.
I admit that I love this ship a whole lot. I use the Kumari escort in STO, it's cannons are great and it's a very agile ship.