Naruto & Nationalism: The Evils of the Leaf Village
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
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Yael Tamir, The Enigma of Nationalism. 1995
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Anthony Smith, National Identity. 1991
Toyomasa Fuse, Suicide and Culture in Japan: a study of seppuku as an institutionalized form of suicide. 1980
Komisarof, Leong & Lim, Constructions of Japanese national identity: Host views using a social markers of acceptance framework. 2023
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This is a re-upload due to the last video getting age-restricted.
Do you know what part got it age-restricted?
Gladly watching it again
RUclips’s being weird and I love these more longer dissectional analysis videos I think you should try and give bleach a shot the characters are brimming with depth and the soul society is a very interesting ‘country’ and government to examine
Why did it get age-restricted!
Sorry you had to do that.
When Naruto finally got acknowledged by the Leaf after defeating Pain, it was because they saw him as a useful tool for the village.
Facts the leaf is trash
@IsaihWayne2104 Or really grateful that someone saved them from a big evil threat. Naruto by proving himself changed the minds of the hidden leaf. Naruto could have easily ditched the village like sasuke instead defended the village which made the villagers proud and accept naruto. Like I get what you’re saying but by what kakashi said during that moment was literally kishimoto intension not oh the villagers saw naruto as a useful tool instead accepted naruto.
Jesus Christ u people are joyless
@@big3fanboy19Tbh that may be the writer intentions, but it’s ok to say those sentiments you shared just are convenience’s for the village to appreciate Naruto as strong tool on their side. It don’t feel genuine in that sense
@@shirannjones9821 sure you can say that but literally in that scene. None of the villagers saw naruto as just a tool in that moment instead thanked the hero who defeated pain. Everyone in the village changed their belief on naruto.
Naruto: I want to become Hokage!
Sasuke: I want to change the system.
And that's why sasuke is the smarter one
Sasuke wanted to be a dictator and force the world to follow his will. Naruto knows people have to willingly accept you to be able to accept the changes you want to create, because if you use force to push your will on others, it will only create those who will have hate on those who are forcing their ideals on them.
& that’s why Sasuke is way better
Sasuke’s idea was good but his methods wasn’t, just another version of madara
@@matthieuramazanibin-ali3532Incorrect, Madara was the better one. Sasuke was just stupid in comparison maybe even worse than Naruto's.
It was so nice, he uploaded it twice
Ooh, that rhymes!
The biggest victims of the Shinobi system are the Jinchūriki. They were forced to have Tailed Beasts sealed into them, and they were all treated like outcasts.
Yea and most like Naruto and Gaara had no choice in the matter. To live a life full of hatred and isolation that is not of your own doing or choice is it's own hell
tbh, the way naruto ended up changing to fit the village is actually something that would happen in real life and that is what makes it sad
Yes Naruto changed by *checks note* becoming Hokage, revamping the system, use of technology and the phasing out of ninjas roles in foreign matters… totally changed. Naruto was never a guy who wanted to lead and reform his village.
@@claymusicoff5663
Thank you I felt like I was going crazy. 💀
Pain: What about my parents? My village? My family?
Me: 😮
im tired of this emoji. i dont like you
i do not condemn Pain
The Leaf did Pain, Shisui, Itachi, Naruto & Sasuke dirty. Especially, Danzō.
You already know we're watching the video again
i appreciate y'all
@SagesRain I was on vacation, so I did not watch it yet, but I know it's gonna be a banger
Hiruzen was a weak leader
- He let the Cloud walk over the Leaf during the Hyūga Affair
- He let Orochimaru get away
- He let the Uchiha Clan be slaughtered, because of a potential coup
- He let everyone treat Minato's son like trash
I agree with the first two, but with in regards with the Uchiha clan massacre, Danzo undermined his authority, and subverted everything that Itachi and Shisui were doing to prevent the massacre. Hiruzen let himself be ruled by sentimentality of his friends, and it cost the lives of innocent people time and again
he was to busy voyeuring naked women using his crystal ball
@kanekikingstorm2113 let donzo undermine his order is in it of itself a sign of weak leadership and character
@@Holiidayyyyy especially after the assassination attempt
No wonder the Uchiha tried to start a coup. The Leaf failed them, time and time again.
Honestly, I would have sided with Sasuke. Not that I wanted the Five Kage dead, but because Sasuke knew that the cycle of hatred would've never ended.
Yes so you continue the hatred by… murdering the beloved leaders?
It’s kinda really sad to see how the boy who we saw detest and cry out with his Soul how he’ll risk his very life to change a corrupt system conform to it and enable it. Himself not changing the leaf village but the leaf village changing him.
i think Naruto's idea of making the existing system better vs Sasuke's bring it all crumbling down is better. Good change happens gradually, but also the other reason is that the series wouldn't be as interesting or able to continue if it was all peaceful in the end
@@Miahren15 I mean but he could’ve tried harder at the very least he doesn’t try to punish anyone for how they treated the uchiha or him and to my knowledge didn’t even remove the side branch seal, I feel like if the series showed Naruto at least *trying* to make the effort rather than just bring okay with forwarding the status quo
Everyone is a critic without being the ones to actually have to deal with these monumental task themselves. The Leaf village is way better then it had ever been under Naruto’s leadership as Hokage. Heck, the whole ninja world is far better then it has ever been because of Naruto. Naruto has made many positive changes in the Leaf and the world and people who say he didn’t are insulting Naruto and all of the efforts he made to create change with his blood, sweat, tears, and unyielding determination.
@@emmarod8746the difference is Naruto is actually THE strongest being in the fucking world. He HAS the power to actually tore it all down and not have a single life lost.
The problem with Naruto's ending isn't the change is gradual. The dissappointment is because nothing meaningful actually changed.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 Doesn’t matter how powerful Naruto becomes. Itachi said it himself “No matter how powerful you become, don't try to shoulder everything alone. If you do, you will surely fail.” Naruto would never do what your saying because he respects the freedom and freewill of other people. Your asking for basically a equivalent of a Naruto that is like Injustice Superman. There is a reason why real Superman doesn’t just overthrown the governments of the world and run it the way he thinks it should be even through he absolutely has the power too. Its because he knows that path isn’t leading to anykind of true better world and would just be replacing it with jut another form of a tyranny and corruption.
Imagine if the Uchiha Clan left Leaf Village and started their own.
They'd have a lot blood on their hands too. Every nation exists via force
Madara was right about the Shinobi system. That's why he wanted to end it with the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Konoha Leaf Village is so evil in reality as an adult
Has anyone ever questioned, "Why does the Shinobi system exist?"
It is supposed to be an improvement upon the warring states period where every clan fought for themselves.
In this respect Hashirama succeeded. But he never managed to develop the village system beyond feuding city states. That’s why Naruto is the peacemaker.
He's not a peace maker, he's a time bomb. If all the peace depends on one dude, what happens if that dude dies? Does stuff fall apart? Probably, with no one to keep things in check.
@@niapurdue230 To create lasting peace has Naruto built on the efforts of his predecessors to create certain institutions to temper the near constant clash of interests.
The Shinobi Union could collapse without him. That is true. But international forums like the UN and the nonproliferation of fantasy nukes (Bijuu) have done much to ensure peace.
@@niapurdue230funny we saw Naruto be removed from
The story and that didn’t happen..x
@claymusicoff5663 really? Boruto doesn't really interest me, so I wouldn't know
Konoha is extremely corrupted and dark
Every nation is😊
this must be your best video yet. this video singlehandedly changed how i view on my favorite anime of all time. hats off brother
Even in Boruto, nothing has changed about the Ninja system.
Ngl, that philosophical explanation of seppuku is really hitting with the state of my mental health.
No wonder Pain destroyed the Leaf Village in Shippuden. And later, Kawaki in Boruto: Two Blue Vortex.
How many times are you gonna comment bro?
We need more videos and analyzers who can question the narrative and theme of a story. Many people and film passionate people the author, and the theme and act like they can never be questioned
True but this is ridiculous. To bring up all this and not mention the great ninja war and the ninja unity, much less Boruto and the after effects shows were cherry picking
Here for the re-watch. Your content is killer King
Whether humans had chakra or not, the Cycle if Hatred wouldn't continued, regardless.
Hiruzen may have been a powerful Ninja, but was a weak leader.
kishimoto took the easy way by pushing all of the leaf’s sins onto danzo alone, and then having sasuke, the rogue ninja, dispatch of him, rather than naruto “the child of prophecy.” in the end, they remained ignorant tools in a broken system, they just stood at the top of it
Tyranny doesn’t like the truth, makes you think about RUclips.
Incredible. I can't believe I stumbled upon not one, but two amazing channels in one day, thanks to the collaboration 🔥
Commenting to boost this in the algorithm cuz of the re-upload
RUclips age restriction system is just to good. Naked yoga is all good, but Naruto deep dives? RUclips "NOOOOO."
Danzo is Henry Kissinger and LBJ put toghether
Literally saved it to my watch later, but then didn’t see it there and forgot about it. Thank god for the reupload can’t wait to watch
Almost thought I was going crazy 😂😂
me too
You've done it again, Sage Rain! Spectacular analysis
Lest we forget the land of fire (and most if not all the other counteries which the various ninja villages are part of) are a feudal state with daimyo (Warlords) at the top. The shinobi villages are quite literly military arm of a autocratic feudal state. Essentially the shinobi system and its nationalism is built to prop up a fundamentaly unequal and militaristic system of government. I do find that quite intressting and think its a shame that system wasn´t explored more.
Itachi himself acknowledges the way he went about things was wrong but thenarrative says otherwise
Ive had the thought for years that Sasuke should have died in his final fight with Naruto triggering him to adopt Sasuke's viewpoint and forgoe becoming Hokage, aka part of the problem and actually try to dismantle or largely reform the Shinobi system. The fact that Sasuke ends up compitulating to Natuto's beliefs is quite sad as Sasuke and Madara were completley right and his cooperation only enables the continuation of a failed system. In the end Sasuke did more Jail time than Orochimaru, a man who commited multiple acts of treason and murderd 2 sitting Kage in the Sand and Leaf village which are politically attached to the hip by the end of the series... Thats the epitome of a broken system.
Do you ever consider that Itachi was the perfect Shinobi, and that effectively ruined his life wholesale? Because I do. It hurts a little more every time.
He studied history, the shinobi had THREE world wars in under a century, and he was 12 and in one of the worst spots possible. Wisdom is nothing without experience, so it's no wonder he threw himself and his wants out the window for this nebulous 'greater good' and then waited to die afterwards. It's Greek levels of tragic.
Not to mention that third world War left him traumatized for life and it only went downhill from there.
He's not praised for the choice he made, he was praised for making *a* choice in a lose-lose scenario when literally no adult around him could do it.
I think in the begining Kichimoto, Try to challenge the society like Naruto does. But even him get in to the nationalism, and start to untencinally glorify that very thing that one day he thought challenge it.
Naruto's silly narrative of "Every one except for the final villain is redeemable, because they had a tragic past." I finally know what it felt so bad. Because it's excuse is nationalism at all costs.
Every ninjas in the Naruto verse are technically child soldiers who grew up to be adult ninjas.
This video was great. Thank you for this 🔥
Commenting to boost for the algorithm for the re-upload 👍
Great video but imma just say this. TOBIRAMA deserves the most blame for the direction the Leaf went and he should be hated far more than other Hokage(Hiruzen) because he messed up far worse than any other Hokage
What a wonderful analysis.
Yeah when Bro jumped off the ledge after giving his eyes, it showed as sociopathic dedication to the village. Sad as hell. Itachi is the perfect example of what they were trying to stop when they made the village.
There is no way to have peace without the will to fight for it. And i dont mean peaceful protest.
Naruto from the beginning of the series tried to rebel against the shinobi system then later on instead of fighting back against this oppressive system he became the very thing he hated.
As the story goes on his goals become him wanting to better the shinobi system and not overthrow it’s current structure.
It's kind of funny in hindsight that Nagato did have a bit of a point. Not in his extremist methods, but how blind Naruto is too politics and his world view. Instead Naruto rebelling against the system that destroyed and ruined dozens of victims he continues it.
This man is amazing with his thinking
great video man
Changed my perspective of Naruto ngl
Itachi if he did not do what he did, then the whole world would have be 8n war and countless people would have died
The saying is “cut off the snake’s head and the body will die.” He could have outed the conspiracy and spared the clan, the same way Madara was pushed out for spouting dangerous propaganda.
He could have outed the clan if Danzo let him, unfortunately Itachi was a teenager in one of the toughest places possible. He was wise, but without experience that means nothing.
@@hilgigas09 he was 13 at that time don't forget
Hidden stone buying their way out of the affairs
Hidden rain is „don’t threaten us or we will threaten you
Hidden sand is just lackluster
Hidden leaf is all about the winners get to make history
Hidden cloud breaks peace treaties
The Uchiha clan really are the biggest victims of the leafs evil.😔🐱
I think there's a level where the issue is simply the author doesn't have a sociological or political perspective where they examine their own society and world but does have moral compass and does believe people can be good. What I mean as a direct example is how Naruto fundamentally teaches and preaches the idea that people from other nations, people who are different or strange you need to take seriously and offer empathy for, but at the same time as the video points out- you should kill and die for a country because outsiders threaten it.
I haven't seen Boruto but I doubt it expands on this, I did wonder if Naruto as Hokage takes any steps to stop the suffering of children atleast. Boruto could be an interesting narrative about the questions of childhood and the dangers of the world
No where does Naruto say you should kill or die for the village. Literally no where. All those who did that end up dead. The show ended with ALL NINJAS NATIONS allying with eachother to save the world. What are you guys reading??
@@claymusicoff5663 their purpose as ninja is to kill and die, otherwise they'd be normal people and not given knives and told to go into combat situations lmao
@@Generalized615yes… hence why in the first arc… The show says that is… wrong… remember Naruto wanted to be on a statue specifically for those who died for the village… and was made to look CHILDISH for wanting to?? Or are we going to ignore the first episodes
@@claymusicoff5663 the video points out its wrong, the show points out its wrong, and the show then reinforces its fine and does nothing to change the status quo
thats the whole point lol, idk what your hangup is, you can be a fan of something and criticize it
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Village system in a way is much worse than warring states period because it became not just clans against each other but entire nations against each other with nukes (jinchuuriki)
Love this video x2!
Kishimoto fucked up on Itachi's characterization. The guy killed children and women and then the story and characters praised the guy for it. It's like praising Stalin
This is a great video. When's the next video coming out
In a way, you can compare the Hidden Leaf and many of its members to Romans. We abhore and admire Romans in equal measure, like Julius Caesar who both conquered and exterminated entire peoples as well as institute great social and political reforms, or Hadrian who built the Pantheon and loved the arts while at the same time was capable of ordering a top architect to commit suicide for criticizing him. What's actually sad is that when nationalists make genuine positive change for the people and the world, people still criticize them for it.
PS: I won't be coming back to this video because of how heavy I feel after it, but I'll also be making a fanfiction where I will try to make Naruto even better and maybe a lesser need for feeling critical about my favorite anime
Truly Nice 🍃🥷
Hi I really like your videos🔥
i just finished cyberpunk edgerunnners which was amazing and i would love to see you do a video on it!
Either way i love your work🙏
Let's run back a great video
I know I was high when I watched it but wasn’t this already updated
Same as last time still loved the discussion on nationalism in Naruto. Looking back itachi was hella wrong and the 2nd homage was still racist as shit lol. Let's keep criticizing our old favs
In a world where everyone is using trying to overtake each other villages in strength nationalism is very necessary last time i check no one force these kids to be ninjas its completely a choice.
The village is their home, the village is the place where everything they hold dear to live, it should come protected at all cost. Imagine losing your village cause your leader wasn't willing to go lower then the enemy to protect you and your family. The wars wasent adult wars theybwere total wars where very one that could fight fight.
Naruto and every none Uchiha innthe village would see itachi as hero because he prevented a coup that would probably kill way more women and children in the village and open the villages to attacks from other nations.
Watched the original, but still here❤🔥
Something, something, Sasuke right, Naruto wrong.
Amazing video btw.
I love Naruto I’ve watched since I was a kid but I never have thought about it like this. You’ve really opened my eyes. I always thought it was messed up that it took Naruto beating pain for him to be treated well but now I see why and that’s just not right. I hate danzo and hated how his death was romanticized when I always have said he’s the biggest villain in the whole series. I’ve always loved the uchia sauske has always been my favorite character and now I know why. He was smart enough to see through all the trash. I always thought he was justified but never could explain it besides the empathy for losing his family but now I see it’s so much deeper. He was a free thinker and not a follower. Itachi was one of my favorite characters but now I see he wasn’t a hero. I drank the kool aid and thought he was a hero but you’re right. He’s not a hero he’s a victim and was brainwashed. I always said he should’ve convinced his family to run away but now I see why he didn’t do it. The series made it seem like he didn’t have a choice but you made it clear he truly thought he did the right thing killing his family. Thank you for this video next time I revisit this series I feel I can truly appreciate the complexity of how dark it is and the deep brainwashing of every nation
On top of that, The Uchia couldn't leave; they cofounded The Leaf, so it's theirs by birthright
"it's essential to ask questions"
@20:47
Uchiha apologist won't tell you who killed that young man.😂
The Motherland calls!
Wow, I never followed Naruto all that well, but I thought the story was about changing the system. That's crazy
This is gotta be great 0:04
Important video for all communities, nationalism has good and bad qualities, and must be channeled without letting it run rampant.
When i a was a teen everyone in my friends adore Naruto but i hate this show, and i can't pinpoint why and now i know why. Thank you Sage Rain for ur in depth analysis😊
Before this video analysis I didn't know how to say it. One-piece is no doubt the better anime. But Naruto has always been a far superior story. A deeper message. A bingo book for our real world problems. Nationalism has been weaponized for a propaganda these days. There is no honour. Just Survival. And we as a global people are not there yet. We're treated as sheep.
Damn I love this anime!
Age restrictions system sucks sorry bro.
A Do Flamingo Video would do Numbers
To be fair, there is not city of Geneva in universe. Therefore there cannot be a Geneva convention
you're joking right ?
No
You can't be serious
@@selfimprovement5873 yes
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THIS IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS BUT NO ONE EVER LISTENED 😭
It’s like our World! We need to Value Individualism! Our Governments our Feeding us Propaganda! We as a Society should Improve ourselves and move on! This needs to spread around the World! We all need to get rid of The System! And Pick Better People in Office that Cares about Improving the World! Not Starting nor Encouraging Wars!! And Lastly Fuck the Elites!🤬🤬🤬
Kawaki and boruto are a perfect example with kawaki born from a product of the shinobi system enhanced by Ishiiki abuse on training him made him a monster to willingly burn down the old system while boruto is a pure shinobi who wanted to protect his village and friends from outside forces such as the shinju and the ohstusuki clan and shibai the god of the naruto universe.
Kawaki wasn’t a product of the shinobi system. He was born
Outside and great village, and knew no ninjutsu or ninja authority
Mixed thoughts on this. On the one hand I think the way nationalism or more accurately the way some of these character's values are shown in the video aren't entirely fair, since the decisions made by characters like Itachi or Naruto come off way different when interpreted as being for the people/villagers rather than being for the state which I would say is a more accurate for some of these characters.
I would agree that it's disheartening that the ideas of nationalism presented within the story are never challenged though, in fairness it wasn't Naruto's main theme but it still would've been nice.
As I'm reading this doesn't that mean the second hokage went against the will of fire in making the ninja academy? And then ostracizing the Uchiha?
naruto should have went evil
screw the normies
Luke Skywalker please make video
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@@SagesRain You're welcome that's nothing You deserve it for how stupid RUclips is be
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Well... the Leaf village is not a nation... The Land Of Fire is their nation, with their fire symbol 🔥(hinata had it in part 1).
The leaf village is the Fire nation, and there's the Lightning nation, the Mist nation, the Rain Nation, Iron nation, Frost nation ect.
The Land Of Fire is ruled by their overlord or whatever and the leaf village is the *base* of Ninja Warriors with ninja schools, examinations and ninja mercenary work.
All the magic and jutsu is tied to the tribes/clans, a group all connected by blood.
The powers and techniques all stay within that clan.. Like the blood-line-limits (Sasuke Uchiha) or techniques (Shikamaru Nara) from teacher to student.
All the power/Jutsu is controlled and passed through the *clans*
Yeah naruto learned the rasangun, but you'd never find someone like Neji teaching some random guy the gentle fist or Shikamaru teaching some guy the Shadow possession, Or Shino injecting bugs into people.
That's just how you get jutsu in the world of naruto. JJK is even *more* strict with the powers, it's very unfair, the most you can hope for is *slightly* more cursed energy from being really, really, really distantly related to a random Jujutsu clan... You can try get with gojo so there's a chance of your offspring being born with the infinite void or something, (Some children with, some without. or a weak version of infinite void) like with blue and brown eyes.
Agreed
I think this is an unfair way to characterize tobirama. Tobirama didn't make anything up there is literal scientific data, and we as outside readers know that uchihas are cursed by black zetsu and their ancestor's beliefs. Tobirama literally only speaks about the Uchiha that way because kishimoto made a race of people who literally have a curse that makes them go crazy and gain nuclear levels of power when they feel a strong emotion.
Pain did nothing wrong, when he attacked the Leaf.
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I think Sasuke did something far worse than not trying, he gave up.
He, unlike Naruto, thought critically about all the information he had received and dedicated himself to actually trying to change the system; first by becoming Hokage and then by uprooting it all.
But one defeat at Naruto's hands and he abandoned it all. No conviction.
It was stupid to think he could do it by himself.
He also never sought to change society or politics, he sought to do an eye for an eye doubling every genocide with one twice as big
Y’all do know changing the system and replacing it with something worse is actually not cool??