Personally, I dont think its an amicable split, I think its a business split. Typically albums have a 2 year touring window, coincidentally its 2 years and one day since Tim Feerick passed away. I believe the band wanted to split with Tilian back when his allegations surfaced, as I imagine they have a low tolerance for lead singer drama. I digress, Given Tim's passing, JJ was Tims final legacy with DGD and I imagine they wanted to honour Tim with the album and swapping out singers would tank a lot of work and an accurate/proper send off for Tim. Its new album time now. And given how many people in the DGD fanbase take all allegations as true without any sort of legal preceedings to validate accusations, i imagine a busibess move was made and theyve replaced Tilian. The Fan base has a 3 way split, Jonny Craig, Kurt Travis or Andrew Wells. I think all 3 of these are awful decisions. Jonny Craig is a tremendous POS who has an ACTUAL record, though DBM 3 would be so very wild. Kurt Travis is a bad idea because we already have Royal Coda... We really dont need another Swancore band with Will and Kurt (my opinion). And Andrew Wells in my opinion is the worst suggested option. Of every singer thats been in DGD, hes the least skilled, the most awkward on stage and the most misfitted vocalist in a lead position. Hes cery close to what has made Tilian and Jonny special without actually nailing either. That being said, no songs hace actually been tailoured to Andrews voice which certainly plays a part, so I could be totally wrong. I want Anthony Green really badly, he hasnt sang for DGD before, but I really think he would kill it. Some mashups Ive heard are incredible, and Id like to hear it for real just once..
Wonderful analysis! You could be on the mark with this. I’d also love to see Anthony be their replacement. A lot of fans are on the edge of their seats!
Ya I’m good on having another high pitched raspy voice. That Anthony dude sounds like a less talented Tillian. Nothing special there. And he’s old as fuck.
This is really thought out. I also believe that they couldn’t separate at the time of the allegations because of contract timing and album releases, so they may have wanted to split all along but had to wait
@@Versaseri At the risk of sounding like a callous asshole. I don't agree with the "Fuck Tillian" narrative. There is so much he said, she said in this whole allgeation debacle that it's impossible to really tackle down what the actual truth is. The truth as I see it (which means I could totally be wrong, just like 100 percent of everyone else who weighs in), the 3 parties are demonstrably in the wrong. Look, Band members have a duty of responsibility to their fans, their fans are not their personal fuck toys. And anyone in any band who is sleeping with their fans is a giant ol fuck bag as I see it. They're also human. They experience, lust, vulnerability, grief, addiction, etc etc. That doesn't make coercion right. It doesn't make it permissible. Fans? They have a duty to themselves to not get wrapped up in the bullshit of the stars they favour. From what I've seen, many denounce the first allegation while looking at the second as a smoking gun. Aren't all "victims/survivors" meant to be equal? And if we are so quick to denounce one, why are we so quick to prioritize the following? Especially when both allegations have glaring issues. What victim of SA is going to continue to correspond with their assaultee after the fact? To unpack? Why are you speaking to anyone other than the police? At least if you spoke to the police, even if the investigation leads nowhere, there is still a record of reported behaviour which means, if someone is actually a predator, they will be caught and charged before long if their behaviour persists. But that never happened because quite frankly, the ladies were after a clout chase. It wasn't about protecting others, it was about validation. Much like the pursuit of fans sleeping with their stars, it's ALL ABOUT VALIDATION, and when that validation from said star ended, it became about validation from the Fandom. These ladies, should have never got Into any sort of correspondence with Tilian. Say what you want, Tilian was in an awful place when all of this happened, he had just lost one of his closest friends, he was having emotional breakdowns on stage, he was incredibly vulnerable, and that weakness was quite frankly, exploited by all parties. For clout and for validation. As I see it, if you're going to say "Fuck Tilian", I think it should really be "Fuck everyone involved" because all of this was so poorly handled that the truth is gone, and quite frankly, I believe that this was a situation where everyone was preying on one another. Tilian abused his power dynamic for sexual validation, and those ladies recognized him as in an incredibly vulnerable state and abused their emotional power dynamic for their own validation through spending time with him and let's be real, most likely wanting to be his girlfriend and when that validation ended, they sought it through other avenues. I get I come off as a victim blamer here, and I don't really mean for it to appear that way. Issues like this just go much deeper and are much more complicated than most people really give a shit to explore, which is really, really wrong. More people need to think critically about these issues because they're not going away and quite frankly, everyone needs to do better. But people are lazy and selfish, they won't. They will shirk responsibility so they can watch down from their ivory towers. It's gross.
You won't be able to listen to the band without him? What if what they make sounds just like it did in the Tilian era? Or what if it's even better? I am a gigantic saosin fan, so I know a thing or two about vocalist changes too . And my favorite is the Cove era! But lots of people love the AG era. So they were surely happy when AG came back. And NOW in 2024, I get to be happy that Cove is back!!!
Its sad for me too, i fell in love with the band because of my best friend and he introduced me during the mothership era, while they were still releasing songs so i fell in love with their sound because of tillian and started getting so obsessed with how will plays the bass and how tim screams so now i cant i just cant.
I think he sucks and is creepy in actual person. Like have you guys not met him? Hes weird bro like no joke. He sings the old songs so badly. You ever heard old tides of man? Bro never not once showed up like that for us and hes had like 3 chances? It's DGD tradition to kick out a vocalist. True fans knows this and celebrate it. I hope they have 4 more vocalists before they retire (will isn't alive)
That sucks. Tillian was the first vocalist i herd in dgd. Strawberry swisher part 3 got me into them. Then i went bwck and heard jonny and kurt which was good but tillian era eas the best.
Each lead singer of DGD is a different era of the band which makes listening to their discography timeless. Imo doesn't matter who replaces Tillian (being former singers or a new one) Will Swans genius always prevails.
Personally I would love Johnny Franck aka Bilmuri to step in to do co vocals with Andrew and Jon. I think he would be a reinvigoration for the band and could help usher in a very unique sound for them.
Rly not too much into the scene aside fm dgd and a few other bands, so I have absolutely no Idea who they might get now and frankly idk if any1 but Tilian is gonna scratch that itch. But I will say that as much of a dickhead as Tilian likely was and or is, The band saw a lot of success and bangers w him and I will miss that. Not sure how to feel abt this but I think his marriage defo has smtg to do with it.
Tillian was really my intro and main voice in the band for me but even listening to earlier DGD it’s another seasonal change and I’m sure the chemistry of their music composition process won’t change and they’ll continue to release bangers
I didn't really like most of the songs after Mothership. Looking forward to DGD getting another singer or just going with Andrew and maybe getting a bit of a refresher.
as much i love DGD tillian was DGD for me. so this makes me feel uneased. not that i won't enjoy DGD overall. its just that i found DGD whilst tillian was lead and thus crafted a love for his vocals
Super happy about this tbh. I'm a Jonny fan so I'm able to separate the artist from the art lol. With that said I, like some others, got really bored of Tillian. Awesome voice and range but when it came down to melody and lyrics it got repetitive. I would like to see DGD go for a more mature sound, lyrically at least lol.
What's wild about all of this is the fact that none of these allegations are substantiated. Nothing went to court. The girl decided Reddit was the proper court of opinion to ruin tilian. This just goes to show how much power women actually have. They cry wolf, and your life is ruined.
Anthony Green BACK in DGD?? When the hell was AG ever in DGD? Did you meet Kurt? Or Johny? Luckily im from the future and I know that they are moving forward with Jon as the lead vocalist and Andrew stepping up to do the clean vocals. And their two new songs are pretty fantastic
Meeeee too. I was PISSED. Cove is my favorite singer and I am NOT a fan of Tilian. It's just too damn high pitched for me. And then, when those demos came out with Tilian on vocals! Uuuuuuuugh I'm like NOOOOOO!!!! Luckily for me, it didn't work, AG came back, made a banger of an album, and now I get Cove back in Saosin!!! Seeing them next month and I. Am. Going. To. DIE! 😂
I've hated this man for a good minute and have been unable to separate the artists and actions but overall his sound was amazing but sometimes he would just kill songs and not in a good way. Refused to try or sing Jonny or Kurt's songs ignoring them just because he didn't like them. This has great opportunity
Musically DGD has always been great, but JC was and will always be their most soulful voice that wrote the songs that still resonate nearly 2 decades later. Tillian was very good with Tides of Man and his Emarosa demos were pretty good, but I never liked him much in DGD. Kurt's two albums had more of an emotional impact than all of the Tillian albums.
I think Tilian fucked around to much after the anniversary of Tims passing and the rest of the band view him as a liability after his most recent hiatus.
GOOD RIDDANCE TILIAN IS A WEIRDO I BEEN LISTENING TO THIS BAND FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. Hes a creeeeeppp!!!! It's DGD tradition to kick out their vocalists. I celebrate this. Get a new singer and kick him out in 3 years too. Lets keep it going you freaks. If greed and being sloppy were physically manifested into a band. Lets keep this going. I 've given the band so much money over the years. Keep the revolving door going a holes. You owe us
Tilian sucked. Never understood why so many people liked him as the vocalist. Way too high pitched of a voice, his voice sounds the same on nearly every track he was on. Nothing they have done with Tilian beats their first 4 albums.
@@lankeysob Not even close lol. His vocals were trash. The instrumentals do the heavy lifting with DGD, they always have. I bet DGD could have been even bigger had they not stuck so long with a such a high pitched, unlistenable singer like Tilian. Made their music borderline unlistenable tbh.
Personally, I dont think its an amicable split, I think its a business split.
Typically albums have a 2 year touring window, coincidentally its 2 years and one day since Tim Feerick passed away.
I believe the band wanted to split with Tilian back when his allegations surfaced, as I imagine they have a low tolerance for lead singer drama. I digress, Given Tim's passing, JJ was Tims final legacy with DGD and I imagine they wanted to honour Tim with the album and swapping out singers would tank a lot of work and an accurate/proper send off for Tim.
Its new album time now. And given how many people in the DGD fanbase take all allegations as true without any sort of legal preceedings to validate accusations, i imagine a busibess move was made and theyve replaced Tilian.
The Fan base has a 3 way split, Jonny Craig, Kurt Travis or Andrew Wells.
I think all 3 of these are awful decisions.
Jonny Craig is a tremendous POS who has an ACTUAL record, though DBM 3 would be so very wild.
Kurt Travis is a bad idea because we already have Royal Coda... We really dont need another Swancore band with Will and Kurt (my opinion).
And Andrew Wells in my opinion is the worst suggested option. Of every singer thats been in DGD, hes the least skilled, the most awkward on stage and the most misfitted vocalist in a lead position. Hes cery close to what has made Tilian and Jonny special without actually nailing either.
That being said, no songs hace actually been tailoured to Andrews voice which certainly plays a part, so I could be totally wrong.
I want Anthony Green really badly, he hasnt sang for DGD before, but I really think he would kill it. Some mashups Ive heard are incredible, and Id like to hear it for real just once..
Wonderful analysis! You could be on the mark with this. I’d also love to see Anthony be their replacement. A lot of fans are on the edge of their seats!
Ya I’m good on having another high pitched raspy voice. That Anthony dude sounds like a less talented Tillian. Nothing special there. And he’s old as fuck.
This is really thought out. I also believe that they couldn’t separate at the time of the allegations because of contract timing and album releases, so they may have wanted to split all along but had to wait
Andrew fits still but Anthony green is a perfect pick but fuck tilian
@@Versaseri At the risk of sounding like a callous asshole.
I don't agree with the "Fuck Tillian" narrative.
There is so much he said, she said in this whole allgeation debacle that it's impossible to really tackle down what the actual truth is.
The truth as I see it (which means I could totally be wrong, just like 100 percent of everyone else who weighs in), the 3 parties are demonstrably in the wrong.
Look, Band members have a duty of responsibility to their fans, their fans are not their personal fuck toys. And anyone in any band who is sleeping with their fans is a giant ol fuck bag as I see it.
They're also human. They experience, lust, vulnerability, grief, addiction, etc etc. That doesn't make coercion right. It doesn't make it permissible.
Fans? They have a duty to themselves to not get wrapped up in the bullshit of the stars they favour.
From what I've seen, many denounce the first allegation while looking at the second as a smoking gun.
Aren't all "victims/survivors" meant to be equal? And if we are so quick to denounce one, why are we so quick to prioritize the following? Especially when both allegations have glaring issues.
What victim of SA is going to continue to correspond with their assaultee after the fact? To unpack? Why are you speaking to anyone other than the police? At least if you spoke to the police, even if the investigation leads nowhere, there is still a record of reported behaviour which means, if someone is actually a predator, they will be caught and charged before long if their behaviour persists. But that never happened because quite frankly, the ladies were after a clout chase. It wasn't about protecting others, it was about validation. Much like the pursuit of fans sleeping with their stars, it's ALL ABOUT VALIDATION, and when that validation from said star ended, it became about validation from the Fandom.
These ladies, should have never got Into any sort of correspondence with Tilian. Say what you want, Tilian was in an awful place when all of this happened, he had just lost one of his closest friends, he was having emotional breakdowns on stage, he was incredibly vulnerable, and that weakness was quite frankly, exploited by all parties.
For clout and for validation.
As I see it, if you're going to say "Fuck Tilian", I think it should really be "Fuck everyone involved" because all of this was so poorly handled that the truth is gone, and quite frankly, I believe that this was a situation where everyone was preying on one another. Tilian abused his power dynamic for sexual validation, and those ladies recognized him as in an incredibly vulnerable state and abused their emotional power dynamic for their own validation through spending time with him and let's be real, most likely wanting to be his girlfriend and when that validation ended, they sought it through other avenues.
I get I come off as a victim blamer here, and I don't really mean for it to appear that way. Issues like this just go much deeper and are much more complicated than most people really give a shit to explore, which is really, really wrong.
More people need to think critically about these issues because they're not going away and quite frankly, everyone needs to do better. But people are lazy and selfish, they won't. They will shirk responsibility so they can watch down from their ivory towers.
It's gross.
Tilian era is what I came to love about DGD, disappointed that I won't be able to listen to the band without him
You won't be able to listen to the band without him? What if what they make sounds just like it did in the Tilian era? Or what if it's even better?
I am a gigantic saosin fan, so I know a thing or two about vocalist changes too . And my favorite is the Cove era! But lots of people love the AG era. So they were surely happy when AG came back. And NOW in 2024, I get to be happy that Cove is back!!!
This is so tough. His sound will be utterly irreplaceable.
Its sad for me too, i fell in love with the band because of my best friend and he introduced me during the mothership era, while they were still releasing songs so i fell in love with their sound because of tillian and started getting so obsessed with how will plays the bass and how tim screams so now i cant i just cant.
I think he sucks and is creepy in actual person. Like have you guys not met him? Hes weird bro like no joke. He sings the old songs so badly. You ever heard old tides of man? Bro never not once showed up like that for us and hes had like 3 chances? It's DGD tradition to kick out a vocalist. True fans knows this and celebrate it. I hope they have 4 more vocalists before they retire (will isn't alive)
That's what they said about Jonny. DGD has always bounced back pretty well.
@crytkryssus9851 I became a fan really late, so tilian vocals is all I know. I only listen to the pre-tilian records if it's the instrumental versions
Time for DTBM PT3 I wouldnt be upset if Andrew or Kurt came back.
I like tillian but he's my least favorite he has the least emotional range
That sucks. Tillian was the first vocalist i herd in dgd. Strawberry swisher part 3 got me into them. Then i went bwck and heard jonny and kurt which was good but tillian era eas the best.
Jonny era will always be the best imo. Even as a drug addict his soul was in every song.
Each lead singer of DGD is a different era of the band which makes listening to their discography timeless. Imo doesn't matter who replaces Tillian (being former singers or a new one) Will Swans genius always prevails.
Personally I would love Johnny Franck aka Bilmuri to step in to do co vocals with Andrew and Jon. I think he would be a reinvigoration for the band and could help usher in a very unique sound for them.
Great idea! Idk if johnny would have enough range though
@@HeadbangHarbor Thanks! Maybe not, but my hope would be then that Andrew would have a more prominent role as well!
@@kodokushi4701 Considering how well Eidola is doing, I think it could work!
Rly not too much into the scene aside fm dgd and a few other bands, so I have absolutely no Idea who they might get now and frankly idk if any1 but Tilian is gonna scratch that itch. But I will say that as much of a dickhead as Tilian likely was and or is, The band saw a lot of success and bangers w him and I will miss that. Not sure how to feel abt this but I think his marriage defo has smtg to do with it.
Tillian was really my intro and main voice in the band for me but even listening to earlier DGD it’s another seasonal change and I’m sure the chemistry of their music composition process won’t change and they’ll continue to release bangers
Let Andrew do the singing! 🤘🏻
I didn't really like most of the songs after Mothership. Looking forward to DGD getting another singer or just going with Andrew and maybe getting a bit of a refresher.
Andrews has a huge sound and a much more versatile range compared to tillian. All tillian knows is pop
@@M_reapr hard disagree
as much i love DGD tillian was DGD for me. so this makes me feel uneased. not that i won't enjoy DGD overall. its just that i found DGD whilst tillian was lead and thus crafted a love for his vocals
Super happy about this tbh. I'm a Jonny fan so I'm able to separate the artist from the art lol. With that said I, like some others, got really bored of Tillian. Awesome voice and range but when it came down to melody and lyrics it got repetitive. I would like to see DGD go for a more mature sound, lyrically at least lol.
What's wild about all of this is the fact that none of these allegations are substantiated. Nothing went to court. The girl decided Reddit was the proper court of opinion to ruin tilian. This just goes to show how much power women actually have. They cry wolf, and your life is ruined.
Anthony Green BACK in DGD?? When the hell was AG ever in DGD? Did you meet Kurt? Or Johny? Luckily im from the future and I know that they are moving forward with Jon as the lead vocalist and Andrew stepping up to do the clean vocals. And their two new songs are pretty fantastic
I still remember when he left/got kicked out of Tides and everyone thought he was going to join Saosin.
Meeeee too. I was PISSED. Cove is my favorite singer and I am NOT a fan of Tilian. It's just too damn high pitched for me. And then, when those demos came out with Tilian on vocals! Uuuuuuuugh I'm like NOOOOOO!!!! Luckily for me, it didn't work, AG came back, made a banger of an album, and now I get Cove back in Saosin!!! Seeing them next month and I. Am. Going. To. DIE! 😂
I've hated this man for a good minute and have been unable to separate the artists and actions but overall his sound was amazing but sometimes he would just kill songs and not in a good way.
Refused to try or sing Jonny or Kurt's songs ignoring them just because he didn't like them.
This has great opportunity
Hard agree once youve heard a tillian song you've heard them all. They need to get someone like Andrew
@@M_reapr they actually HAVE an Andrew..."and it is beautiful".... - ATHF
What da dog doin?
Bein a dog fr.
@@HeadbangHarbor😂
Musically DGD has always been great, but JC was and will always be their most soulful voice that wrote the songs that still resonate nearly 2 decades later. Tillian was very good with Tides of Man and his Emarosa demos were pretty good, but I never liked him much in DGD. Kurt's two albums had more of an emotional impact than all of the Tillian albums.
I think Tilian fucked around to much after the anniversary of Tims passing and the rest of the band view him as a liability after his most recent hiatus.
are we not gonna talk about your dog who keep on sneeking behind u?
😂😂😂 He wanted to hear the news!
there will probably be folks who will consider listening to this band again now that homie has left but i strongly encourage you all NOT TO
At both ends of the spectrum tbh. A ton of fans refused to listen with Tillian’s situation going on. Either way Tillian was simply an amazing asset.
GOOD RIDDANCE TILIAN IS A WEIRDO I BEEN LISTENING TO THIS BAND FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. Hes a creeeeeppp!!!! It's DGD tradition to kick out their vocalists. I celebrate this. Get a new singer and kick him out in 3 years too. Lets keep it going you freaks. If greed and being sloppy were physically manifested into a band. Lets keep this going. I 've given the band so much money over the years. Keep the revolving door going a holes. You owe us
As long as Matt Mingus and will swan are in the band it will always be dgd
Schizo posting
Band is doomed now lol
ok
Get Jonny Craig back in there!!! As much of a POS he is id buy a ticket so fast
Tilian sucked. Never understood why so many people liked him as the vocalist. Way too high pitched of a voice, his voice sounds the same on nearly every track he was on.
Nothing they have done with Tilian beats their first 4 albums.
Strong words man. Respect the opinion ✊
💯 percent agree. Jonny Craig is dgd.
First few albums blew minus a couple songs with Kurt. Tillian made the band what they are and they will suck without him.
Absolutely shit take
@@lankeysob Not even close lol. His vocals were trash. The instrumentals do the heavy lifting with DGD, they always have. I bet DGD could have been even bigger had they not stuck so long with a such a high pitched, unlistenable singer like Tilian. Made their music borderline unlistenable tbh.
Never liked that dude good he's gone
Never liked that dude good he's gone
Always wished Jonny would get another chance but now he's doing his own thing and I'm so happy for him.
He sucked bad