Yeah, people give Brown credit for guarding Luka (which was a big deal) but they somehow ignore Tatum guarding 7 footers... as if Tatum was a center himself... Tatum was the key to the Celtics defense because he destroyed Dallas' pick and roll offense. Luka averaged 29.2 in the series finals. He averaged 32.4 against Minnesota and 24.7 against OKC. 29.8 against the Clippers. The Celtics broke down Dallas by taking everyone else away, but we want to focus solely on Luka because the media makes him out to be a better player than he is. He is not an all around player, so shouldn't be in top 5-10 discussions. Dallas won't be back in the finals next year and maybe they never go back with this group. They are just as likely to miss the playoffs altogether.
@@TopGunZeroI’m reading this and I’m laughing how much this sounds like something I’d say, word for word. I’ve been saying how overrated and one dimensional Luka is. Tatum is actually underrated imo with someone of his resume.
Jayson Tatum is Goku, Jaylen Brown is Vegeta. Some ppl put Vegeta over Goku, and vice versa. It’s all about personal preference, but for me I’m just blessed to have both of them on my team.
That's a good perspective, especially for new dragon ball, both are real close and possibly equal. They aren't the same but without either there's no ring so congrats and next year my sixers coming for yall
I think you’re wrong since Goku always wins so what you’re saying is that Brown is 1A Tatum did not step up like a superstar does. He needs to go to the Lakers
@@akshyadeep2222the expectation for the Celtics the last 2 years has been title or bust. Even tho the 2 Js were on their 3rd coach. When was the last time anyone in the media had ever utter the words “title or bust” the Mavs and Luka?
So much "basketball smarts" on the show, and they are all missing the main point... both Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown are NBA Champions now. And they did it together!
They might not have two Batmans on the show, but we’ve had plenty of Batmans through the years different faces different names so he can be that too. JT and JB let’s go Celtics.
Tatum is the best player on the Celtics, the only reason people argue different is simply because they don't like the dude. Brown is still underrated and people feel like they need to down Tatum to up Brown but in reality y'all just been underrating them as a duo for years because people are impatient and don't actually watch the sport or know the history of the game 🤷🏽♂️
No, I think people think Tatum is the best bc he has superstar intangibles. However brown played better and from a consistent start point he is way more consistent than Tatum also. I don’t like the Celtics at all but I give credit where credit due. I think they aren’t that far off from each other. Both can be a Batman depending on the roster but brown is more efficient and more consistent and putting up the same numbers and when it matters most better
@@kbgames8329 Brown had a more consistent playoff this year for sure. Historically that hasn't been the case, which is why he isn't the better player. Tatum is the more versatile defender, better passer and consistently draws the defense in as well as being a really good offense player. People get too caught up in shooting, Tatum is top 5 and I think Brown is top 10.
Real hoopers know JT been that dude. Dude has stepped back and its allowed JBs game to open up more. If you been following the Celtics then you know this aint even a debate. They both are great and have improved their craft which is why they are Champs. Think about it. They just ran through the playoffs with JT shooting being off and KP barely playing. Leading your Championship team in points, rebounds and assists through the playoffs yet they say you weren't the best player lolll
Most of the dummies saying Brown is the best player now were the ones early in the season saying he's trash with no left hand, can't dribble, and thought it was laughable that he got $300M.
And was a huge part of those championships. I never cared about Finals MVP, but the media and critics started highlighting it to discredit players like Tatum and Curry
Steph Curry is greater than Tatum. He already had two MVPs and a chip when KD got there. Steph was ABOUT to be anointed “best player in the NBA” when they had 3-1 on the Cavs… had they won, he would overtaken LeBron outright Don’t forget that; it was only 8 years ago… not sayin you’re “remedial” but history isn’t the best fits for NBA guys, Americans, or n--- (you may be neither but ijs)
Tatum literally lead his team in points, rebounds and assists throughout the playoffs. The disrespect is INSANE. He is most definitely the best player on the Celtics, it’s not even debatable.
Y’all think just because this man didn’t win finals MVP , that he is not the best player on his team 🤦🏾♂️.. bruh lead his team in every category in the finals!! But his not the best player right ?!? 😂 🧢
Look at his efficiency. It’s so easy to have the most stats when you handle the ball the most, and take the most shots. He had an average TS% of 48% during the finals against dallas. He had multiple games where his shooting was tour dates. He plays the most minutes and he’s 6’10, itd be bad if he didnt lead his team in rebounds. I’m not saying Brown is better than tatum im just saying it isnt as clear cut as you think. (Brown is definitely better than tatum, did you even watch the playoffs this year?)
@@jameshall8038 The real question is, why nitpick at all. That is why so many of his peers and athletes in all sports despise him. There is no need to nitpick. Why not just give credit where its due and leave it at that.
Giannis has a TERRIBLE 3pt shot so I guess he can't be a top player? Embiid either. Luka just shot TERRIBLY from 3 in the finals so I guess he is out too?
@@crunchtimeplaya9784 I'm not the one making the argument that 3pt percentage should be the deciding factor in which player is better, I'm saying it's an dumb way. Also taking less shots makes it easier to have a better percentage, if I take 10 shots I have to make 5 to be at 50% but if I take 2 than I only have to make 1 to be at 50%
@@crunchtimeplaya9784 If that's an essay than you must have failed out of school. Makes sense based on your reading comprehension of what I wrote. I'll use smaller words for you next time. I know you can't "read real good"
Skip running outta excuses 😂😂😂 Tatum only 26 years old & has accomplished hella more than a lot of players at his age. There is no Batman & Robin with JT &JB… more like Superman & Batman!!
Skip hates the Celtics so much that he just tries to start the fire between Tatum and Brown by saying Brown is better hahaha he knows it's clearly not true.
Tatum and brown both compliment each other. Tatum over the years matured and started to do more on the court. He is learning that he doesn't need to put up high numbers and scoring too win. He can put up those numbers as he had proved it with 51 against the 6ers. Brown is more explosive. I personally think jt should've won the finals mvp.
Tatum definitely disappears in some big moments and appears in others. As a Celtics fan, he’s been our most frustrating player by far. But he’s been a statistical leader on a celtics squad thats been making the ECF basically every year and the finals sometimes and now won it all. If this continues and they add another title or two, itll be one of the most dominant careers ever for the both of them.
@@mrenzo2004 Agreed. He has some of the dumbest offensive possessions I've ever seen. IDK if he's coached that way or what but it just seems that his possessions often correlate with the Celtic's offense stalling. It's maddening. I don't know if he takes the ball when the offense breaks down, or if the offense breaks down because he's hogging it. I also don't like the floppy drives that often end up in a turnover and a complaint. Dude is a specimen with his length and strength. He's not center-strong but he should be able to give us way more highlights than he does. But sometimes he looks clumsy instead. But he's been playing great defense and passing more and cutting down on the turnovers. His numbers are good, it's just the problem that his points 'look' hard, when many players in the same atmosphere make it look 'easy.' Something is off. And he just doesn't have a great camera personality, which isn't a knock against him but makes people resent how good he is. People want the top talent to be more like Luka and ANT, which is fair, and I think people sometimes get impatient with players who don't give them more drama.
The Celtics coaching staff is encouraging those threes. The more threes we shoot the better in Joe Mazzullas eyes and if the possession is going nowhere, taking a three is actually an efficient shot for Joe. That’s why a bunch of our players shoot and jack up threes when the offence is stalling we want to get an “efficient” shot up while also setting up our defence if Tatum was constantly driving during those end of the shot clock situations there would be a disadvantage in the transition defence. You gotta look at things more from a coaching, Joe Mazzulla perspective. JT is encouraged to shoot those threes and the rest of our players especially if the shot clock is going low and if you look at JT’s side step difficult threes it’s more usually during end of shot clock situations. This strategy won us the chip. It’s mazzulla ball.
Tatum is fine.. he’s the man.. every player has flaws.. brown is a star as well.. I don’t get why you would have 2 stars.. but the pressure only on one.. like everyone’s doing to Tatum
Keep saying Jayson Tatum didn’t shoot good/play good in the post season. Now he has a championship watch how freely and dominant he will play from here on next post season included.
7th player ever to lead the team in points, rebounds, and assists throughout the playoffs while getting collapsed on by opposing Ds consistently. Time to just be quiet and find someone else to go after.
I’m a Boston fan, Jaylen Brown definitely deserved FMVP. As it pertains to defense for Jaylen and Jayson. Jayson’s impact on defense was just as important as Jaylen’s. Dallas had the same amount of lobs as the other 15 teams in the playoffs. What would we be saying about Jaylen’s defense on Luka if Tatum wasn’t guarding Lively/Gafford and it was Horford instead coming up to guard that pick and roll? Tatum being on Dallas’ Centers kept Horford out of the action which took away a very important part of Dallas’ offense which was the lob. Not too mention Tatum’s rebounding ability also made that possible as he lead them in rebounding the entire year including playoffs and finals and the previous few years as well. They both tied in defensive advance stats at 106.5 I think which supports my point that Tatum guarding the center and securing the rebound to end the defensive possession was just as critical as Brown on Luka. Then on the offensive end, Tatum was the catalyst on offense. He setup all the plays. Lead them in assists and points. His efficiency left a lot to be desired but his impact on both ends of the court for his team should not be discredited. Tatum is definitely the Celtics best player and a top 5 player in this league. What he did was not a fluke either because he guarded Evan Mobley in the ECSF and he guarded Myles Turner in the ECF. Tatum just made 26 March and Brown will be 28 in October. One could argue that Jaylen being almost 2 years older has more grown into his man’s body which makes him be a little more efficient at this point in time. Jaylen might be further in his prime than Tatum who still has some more weight to gain to get his man body. Imagine Tatum in 2 years about the same point age wise of his prime as Jaylen is now. He’s already more talented so he has the potential to be an absolute beast!
Saying the guy that won ECFMVP & FMVP is Robin in crazy work, I understand wat you thought about both before but please include everything when we say these things, when Tatum was leading, they ceiling was game 6 of finals
@@_YourFlyIsOpen Exactly, and it's weak when you see a guy act like 1 championship is enough to be a great in the history books. Maybe some of these guys don't think they can ever get up there.
You could tell he was in his own head during that playoff run, overthinking everything. The Celtics kind of won by default despite him playing under his own standards, but he acts like he proved people wrong
Skip should realize the other teams say differently when they double team tatum almost every possession and not Jaylen who is left wide open. They compliment each other with their play style.
What are you talking about mahomes hasn't silenced the critics he hasn't been crowned the Goatyet behind top brady but he's widely recognized....stop capping fr
You young bucks are easily fooled because of today’s social media models. You all should see Rachel when those seven layers of makeup come off! Not want you ‘d expect to see after you roll over the next morning.
People need to stop using the “Batman and Robin” analogy. I see them more like Nightwing and Red Hood. They are both young and still improving and either one of them have the potential to turn into a “Batman”.
Tatum isn’t the best player, I can refer to both finals. Game 6 against the warriors brown dropped 35 and Tatum did not show up. Game 3 against the mavericks when the series could have gone 2-1, and the mavs won game 4 would have been 2-2, but the second half Brown carried the Celtics to that W and ended the series up 3-0… I don’t care about game 5, Tatum had to have at least one game…. Brown is ECF MVP and Finals MVP… Crazy to think Tatum even ties Browns shoelaces.
@@ChokeslamToHellJB wasn't horrible in the 1st half of game 3. He was playing defense and passing the ball a lot. He could have ended the 1st half with 8 assist if White and others hit their wide open 3s that JB passed it to them.
Not a statistical thing, but I also respect a player who stays with one franchise to win more than someone that travels around, trying to win with different teams. It's easier to move to somewhere with a great core, or that has assets and are willing to build for/around you. It's hard to stay at home, deal with the team deciding whether you're "their guy" or not and listening to all the doubt that builds up over the years. Tatum did that and he did it through all the doubts and bad times. Glad to see him winning the title. Guy is one of the most special players in the NBA in terms of his versatility (able to threaten a triple double on any given night while playing good defense...there's only a handful that can do it in the NBA).
Jaylen Brown is the best player on the team he’s unique let call what it is Tatum is just more creative and talented but besides that JB is more dependable and consistent with that mamba mentality.
How'd Jaylen do last year when Tatum got injured in game 7 against Miami? They needed him to step up, and the comment section rubes wouldn't stop talking about how bad he sucks, has no left hand, can't dribble. Now he's better than Tatum 😂. You morons just don't think
Nah. Opposing coaches intentionally game plan for Tatum first and foremost. Tatum is the one who gets double teamed all the time, which allows JB to get those OPEN looks. I trust the opposing coaches opinion vs Skip Bayless or any rando on You tube. Not to mention, he led his team in almost every stat this playoff run. Tatum has a much higher ceiling.
The thing with tatum he didnt have the continuing dominance leading up to winning a championship... he wasnt like jokic a 3x mvp on route to a fvmp run
JAYSON TATUM MUCH DESERVED TO BE ECMVP $ FINAL MVP STATISTICALLY!!...IT SO HAPPEN THAT IT WAS DONE BY A FRAUD VOTING!!.. JT contributes and facilitating the game all the time and scores when needed most!..Others will not be able to score high w/o his assistance & gameplay, ..if you're the opponent, he is the one priority to be guarded and he knows it Thats why, if you check the STATS LINE (there is no disrespect to JB)..but the ECFMVP & FMV is VOTED BY THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT IMPACT AND NOT THE STATS....and the craziest thing is that If the BOSTON CELTICS LOST, JT GOT BLAMED THE MOST, BUT IF WON CAUSED BY HIM STATISTICALLY, BROWN OR CONNECT THE OTHERS GOT THE CREDIT (media hype)..Which is exactly happened...Brown got the MVP even though JT had the better OVERALL SERIES STATS...😅🤣
I don’t think Jaylen is a better overall defender, though Jaylen’s defense improved hugely this season and he’s now up there. Also tough call on scoring, because Tatum gets far more attention when he has the ball than Jaylen.
Skip and the others can continue to say JB is better than JT in their opinions, but facts and the coaches/players in the NBA say otherwise. JT led the Celtics in points, rebounds and assists for the playoffs, the other coaches focus their defensive plan on JT, he is the one constantly getting double team and sometimes triple team. Saying that JB is better better because he won finals MVP is nonsense. Was Iguodala warriors' best player when he won the final MVP?
Keyshawn is a ton nicer to listen to now props to him, I feel like during the playoffs there were a lot of times he either felt like he had to go against the grain and made him have some ridiculous takes and always delved into hypotheticals lmao. Much better now even talking NBA stuff
Already has made 4 1st All NBA teams, has a chip, and has the most playoff points scored in history for the first seven seasons of a career. Could potentially have 2x Gold medals after the Olympics. He's definitely on pace to be a Celtics legend and a 1st ballot hall of famer.
That’s the mentality of a lot of players now, Bron started the “putting the cart before the horse” way of thinking, declaring GOAT status before you get there
I mean if he puts up similar numbers in the playoffs as he has the last 3 years next year and at least makes the conference finals he would be sitting at around 25th all time in playoff points at 27 years old. Like he's easily on pace to be considered an all time great it's just a matter of what tier of greatness he's going to end up on.
The media is crazy. Jayson tatum was a top-5 player THREE years ago when he dismantled kevin durant AND kyrie irving in a sweep, beat giannis head to head & beat a tough jimmy butler led miami heat team. He wins more than everybody, hes more durable than anybody & hes the most selfless bcuz of his humble nature instilled by his parents. His coaches gave him a blueprint to win the finals & that blueprint was to do everything...get teammates involved, let JB cook, rebound more, pass more & be there in the end. Hes checked all boxes.
Side note: Brown still can’t go left. Lol sad. All finals series I didn’t see one drive going left. As per usual, results in a mid-range pull up or turnover
@@Stephenwhite013 true. I need to take JB business classes. How to be top paid player in NBA and Finals MVP having never learned to dribble with left hand lol
Refer to him as an nba champion and that you know him and he doesn’t know you refer to him as a 315 million dollar man y’all hate on people y’all don’t even know it’s disgusting
Tatum said “obviously it’s still conversations to be had.” Yes he’s a champion, and that can never be taken away. But I remember at one point there was a discussion about Tatum being the face of the league. As good as he is, I don’t believe he’ll ever be the player the media wants him to be.
@@timsweeney684best American born player that’s about to come off the bench for team USA just like last Olympics😂😂😂 booker dame and jrue all started over him last time. Hes lucky kd got a calf strain he might have a chance to start now
@@Sam_Mekonnen he was the 2nd leading scorer on the team coming off the bench lol he could start at any position from 2-4. The only reason KD, Lebron, or AD would start over him is seniority. He’s better than all of them currently.
@@timsweeney684 Tatum isn’t better than any of those guys. Maybe AD. Tatum is just playing on team USA in Boston and they dragged him to a championship. He just stat padded in every fourth quarter to make it look like he played well. Jaylen is better than him so I guess Jaylen is better than Lebron ad kawhi kd ant booker curry and all those guys. The fact that u think Tatum is better than Steph after what Steph did to him in Boston during the finals is mind boggling to me. Steph just doesn’t have jrue Derrick jaylen horford and KP by his side
@@timsweeney684 That’s debatable. But even if he is the best current American player, doesn’t it say something when he doesn’t win conference or finals MVP?
@@timsweeney684 happy for the Celtics but he struggled big time and he’s acting like nobody saw it, I don’t consider Tatum or brown top 5-7 maybe somewhere 10-15
@@JerrickButler-ev8mfstruggled big time lmao. He shot like 5-7% below where he should have, while facilitating the offense like a 6 foot 10 Jason Kidd and playing great D.
@@JerrickButler-ev8mfit’s the playoffs.. everybody planning to stop him.. it’s okay if he don’t shoot a high percentage.. he been to the finals 3 times and he learned.. to win it.. he might have to play different.. he adjusted and played all around.. JB ate.. but one series don’t make him better then Tatum
Skip saying that Jaylen was better because he was the one defending Luka really tells how little Skip knows about team construction and the defensive scheme that Joe Maz ran. That defense was entirely to deprive Luka of options from his dunkers and corners. The whole thing revolves around a lynchpin: Jayson Tatum holding down the dunker spot. Any success that Dallas had in game 4 came from Luka pulling Tatum out towards the free throw line to re-open up those options.
I know all media members were not athletes, but do we really need or want to hear a guy who couldn't even make it as a high school player, and decided to write an article criticizing his own coach for not letting him play, talk about sports? He mentioned the shoot against IND as a playoff saver. Didn't we sweep or gentlemen sweep IND? How would that shot be a game saver, let alone a playoff one (and I'm a JB fan more than JT), then this old man be yalking about "fire in the belly", at your age what you're talking about is gastritis pops, FOH and rush to a clinic, get your a$s home somewhere, with all this nonsense
@@Oldmanstillgotit dogs fights in the Wild West while we got cupcake series in Leastern Conference for 20+ years. Y u think LeQueen formed all his super teams in the Least? 😘
@@mrizzle58 doesn’t matter lol best team in the nba gets the 1st seed so. Lace them up and play don’t get hurt and plus when the Celtics went to the finals THE WHOLE WORLD PICKED MAVS because apparently the Celtics weren’t “tested” 😭 you a hater and you mad relax and watch the dynasty happen before your eyes 😂😂
The best part Keyshawn , and it was proven this year...Tatum and Brown can take turns at being who is Batman and Robin on any given night and that is one the best qualities !
He'll end up riding the one ring like the '08 Celtics roster STILL does. I love KG from his days in Minnesota but guarantee he polishes that Celtics ring daily muttering "anything is possible"
Damn sports media really never heard of the Justice League. Boston got a Green Lantern, a Flash, and a Wonder Man. They even got a Martian Manhunter coming off the bench. And we're over here calling Superman Robin.
@kevinchafin6102 if it wasn't true then why did jalen get mvp. I watched every game. Jason tried to turn it on in the last game to get mvp but people who aren't Tatum biased knew who was better..
Rachel has never been able to just be herself on camera she's always so tense and robotic. Someone needs to tell her to loosen up she doesn't have to fake smile at everything lmao
Tell me how he's not the best...he's the best player on his team all year has a little slump in the playoffs but still averaged more points rebounds and assist than brown in the fimals but he's not the best your a hater
Skip goes "is it a debate who's better?" Proceeds to debate it for 15 minutes. He's a great player, him and Brown TOGETHER is what lead to an NBA ship.
There is a reason nobody remembers or talks about this ring. It is still a great achievement, but the Celtics path was relatively easy with a lot of injuries. If the Celtics win it again, that would shut everyone up.
Nothing will shut anybody up. They'll just keep changing the goal posts. Tatum doesn't have to prove anything to any armchair "experts" here. His resume speaks for itself.
A lot of comments on here anointing Jaylen as Batman or better than Tatum only because they have an underlying agenda. These idiots don't realize that makes Jaylen a top 10 player in the league. This is a hard pill to swallow for the haters who were saying this only to put down Tatum. The Celtics have 2 top 10 guys and a championship. Cope
as a celtics fan, brown was clearly not the better the last 3 years. he was more efficient as a scorer, but couldn't handle as well, wasn't a great decision maker. tatum was the only one of the 2 who could be the centerpiece of the offense. browns better at all of that now so it's more of a question, but tatum was clearly the better player before.
Still no finals MVP. Got his chip as a “role player” that must be such an L for Celtics fans cause they know the 2024 chip has less weight than both of KDS 💀
Tatum hate be real. Averaged 30 10 and 6 in the conference finals. Then 22 7 and 7 in the Finals and real literally guarded 1-5. Bern first team 4 years straight and people be talking bout Jaylen like he has done that 🤔. Tatum the one that went head to head with Giannis Butler and KD and came out on top.
Nobody guarded Brown worth mentioning. The plan is and always is to slow down Tatum. Yet, he always find ways to help get the win Stop the madness…casuals
Im a 76ers fan and i can bravely and honestly say?? Ive watched the kid hit a 50 piece in a closeout game 6 when we were up 3 to 2 in 2023. In embiids face and crushed me. Trust me skip he is that killa boy 💯 😅
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Rachel the only one making sense on this damn show….😂
What are you talking about
Every point Key made was completely and undeniably valid. You sound biased
Rachel is 🔥
Tatum had to defend their farking centers man. He had to defend out of position and lead in every stat. Why is this even a discussion.
Yeah, people give Brown credit for guarding Luka (which was a big deal) but they somehow ignore Tatum guarding 7 footers... as if Tatum was a center himself... Tatum was the key to the Celtics defense because he destroyed Dallas' pick and roll offense.
Luka averaged 29.2 in the series finals. He averaged 32.4 against Minnesota and 24.7 against OKC. 29.8 against the Clippers.
The Celtics broke down Dallas by taking everyone else away, but we want to focus solely on Luka because the media makes him out to be a better player than he is. He is not an all around player, so shouldn't be in top 5-10 discussions.
Dallas won't be back in the finals next year and maybe they never go back with this group. They are just as likely to miss the playoffs altogether.
@@TopGunZeroI’m reading this and I’m laughing how much this sounds like something I’d say, word for word. I’ve been saying how overrated and one dimensional Luka is. Tatum is actually underrated imo with someone of his resume.
Jayson Tatum is Goku, Jaylen Brown is Vegeta. Some ppl put Vegeta over Goku, and vice versa. It’s all about personal preference, but for me I’m just blessed to have both of them on my team.
That's a good perspective, especially for new dragon ball, both are real close and possibly equal. They aren't the same but without either there's no ring so congrats and next year my sixers coming for yall
Fire & Ice
I think you’re wrong since Goku always wins so what you’re saying is that Brown is 1A Tatum did not step up like a superstar does. He needs to go to the Lakers
Goku isn’t viewed as a fraud tho lol
Thats disrespectful to JB. They more like Naruto and Sasuke
He's right, now they have to turn there criticisms to Joel Embid, who has received a HUGE media pass, and Luka as well.
You got that right, Embids never made it to the conference finals. Tatum has been there and done that.
Overrated chokers.
How has Luka recieved a pass, the man has been criticized alot lol. Embiid yes, he is so protected.
Celtics would win with luka on them
@@akshyadeep2222the expectation for the Celtics the last 2 years has been title or bust. Even tho the 2 Js were on their 3rd coach. When was the last time anyone in the media had ever utter the words “title or bust” the Mavs and Luka?
Jayson Tatum had every right to say what he said and I’m excited to see what’s next now that the weight of the first championship is off
So much "basketball smarts" on the show, and they are all missing the main point... both Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown are NBA Champions now. And they did it together!
Its the Boston Justice League over here. We aint got no Robin!
But we do have a Superman and a Batman and we all know realistically who is the top dawg.
Its disrespectful to call good players Robin
Ahahhahahahahahahahajaha
Facts
Ya but without the addition of jrue and kriztaps I don't think you guys would have won
Never seen a show with 2 Batmans. Tell me you never seen Batman Beyond without telling me.
They might not have two Batmans on the show, but we’ve had plenty of Batmans through the years different faces different names so he can be that too. JT and JB let’s go Celtics.
Ong these ppl need to realize teams dont always have to fit the mold set out for them by previous champions. For instance look at the 04 pistons
Tatum is the best player on the Celtics, the only reason people argue different is simply because they don't like the dude. Brown is still underrated and people feel like they need to down Tatum to up Brown but in reality y'all just been underrating them as a duo for years because people are impatient and don't actually watch the sport or know the history of the game 🤷🏽♂️
No, I think people think Tatum is the best bc he has superstar intangibles. However brown played better and from a consistent start point he is way more consistent than Tatum also. I don’t like the Celtics at all but I give credit where credit due. I think they aren’t that far off from each other. Both can be a Batman depending on the roster but brown is more efficient and more consistent and putting up the same numbers and when it matters most better
@@kbgames8329 Brown had a more consistent playoff this year for sure. Historically that hasn't been the case, which is why he isn't the better player. Tatum is the more versatile defender, better passer and consistently draws the defense in as well as being a really good offense player. People get too caught up in shooting, Tatum is top 5 and I think Brown is top 10.
@@kbgames8329It’s a lot easier for Brown to score because the defense doesn’t collapse on him like they do Tatum.
Real hoopers know JT been that dude. Dude has stepped back and its allowed JBs game to open up more. If you been following the Celtics then you know this aint even a debate. They both are great and have improved their craft which is why they are Champs. Think about it. They just ran through the playoffs with JT shooting being off and KP barely playing. Leading your Championship team in points, rebounds and assists through the playoffs yet they say you weren't the best player lolll
Most of the dummies saying Brown is the best player now were the ones early in the season saying he's trash with no left hand, can't dribble, and thought it was laughable that he got $300M.
Media harassed Steph Curry for 7 years because he didn't win finals MVP but had 3 championships.
Thank you!! So hypocritical.
And was a huge part of those championships. I never cared about Finals MVP, but the media and critics started highlighting it to discredit players like Tatum and Curry
@@atlantahawksfan8443How he didn’t try that first one was crazy. The next two we kinda knew it would be Durant
Steph Curry is greater than Tatum.
He already had two MVPs and a chip when KD got there.
Steph was ABOUT to be anointed “best player in the NBA” when they had 3-1 on the Cavs… had they won, he would overtaken LeBron outright
Don’t forget that; it was only 8 years ago… not sayin you’re “remedial” but history isn’t the best fits for NBA guys, Americans, or n--- (you may be neither but ijs)
If there's any people that were the least criticized is Steph Curry and Jayson I saying media n talking bout two ppl
The haters gonna lose their minds when they repeat
😂😂😂😂😂na no repeat g
@@arcellmcgowan1517lmao Celtics in 5 ☘️☘️
Not happening 😂
@@nostoneunturned7641 I bet they will
If they beat Miami or don’t play they make the finals my prediction.
Tatum literally lead his team in points, rebounds and assists throughout the playoffs.
The disrespect is INSANE.
He is most definitely the best player on the Celtics, it’s not even debatable.
Rachel made all the points.
She’s not giving up the kewchie
She is the Nick Wright of this show.
@@ls4life544 everything about Tatum was spot on.
@jasonvoorhees310 is true, but she won't give brown the knowledgemen that he was the guy with the killer energy on the playoff.
Not gonna bother reading the comments
He won a chip and was one of the contributing factors
He’s a Champ 💪 (coming from a Magic/Laker fan)
the main contributing factor* but go off
Nah seriously. Coming from a Kobe / laker fan. He really don’t have to prove anything else.
Y’all think just because this man didn’t win finals MVP , that he is not the best player on his team 🤦🏾♂️.. bruh lead his team in every category in the finals!! But his not the best player right ?!? 😂 🧢
brown was the best player, he picked up Luka as well
He lead his team while being awfully inefficient
@@isaacgarcia1605And always demanding the ball. He always expects the ball to be given
He is tha fckin man. Period point blank!! 💪🏼😉
Look at his efficiency. It’s so easy to have the most stats when you handle the ball the most, and take the most shots. He had an average TS% of 48% during the finals against dallas. He had multiple games where his shooting was tour dates. He plays the most minutes and he’s 6’10, itd be bad if he didnt lead his team in rebounds. I’m not saying Brown is better than tatum im just saying it isnt as clear cut as you think. (Brown is definitely better than tatum, did you even watch the playoffs this year?)
They can never take a chip away. He’s earned that right to be called champ.
Rachelle face looking at skip it’s so funny she is thinking come on, bro. you are just nitpicking now. 15:54 😂😂
He literally said just 5 seconds b4 that if we are jist nit picking here like bruh how you miss that
Skip just can't say, "I was wrong!" He's a clown for that 🤡🙄🍀🍀🍀🍀🏆
As always
@@jameshall8038 The real question is, why nitpick at all. That is why so many of his peers and athletes in all sports despise him. There is no need to nitpick. Why not just give credit where its due and leave it at that.
@@THEJAESTER718exactly. He's so annoying sometimes.
With Tatum's inconsistent three-point shooting in the playoffs, is he really the top player, or is Jaylen Brown carrying the Celtics?
Giannis has a TERRIBLE 3pt shot so I guess he can't be a top player? Embiid either. Luka just shot TERRIBLY from 3 in the finals so I guess he is out too?
@@Drizzlybear1 terible take giannis dont shoot over 500 3s a season giannis does what hes good at
@@crunchtimeplaya9784 I'm not the one making the argument that 3pt percentage should be the deciding factor in which player is better, I'm saying it's an dumb way.
Also taking less shots makes it easier to have a better percentage, if I take 10 shots I have to make 5 to be at 50% but if I take 2 than I only have to make 1 to be at 50%
@@crunchtimeplaya9784 If that's an essay than you must have failed out of school. Makes sense based on your reading comprehension of what I wrote. I'll use smaller words for you next time. I know you can't "read real good"
He led his team in points, rebounds and assists throughout the playoffs despite his "bad" 3-point shooting. Imagine if he was on.
18:58 Keyshawn displaying his very high intelligence.🤦♂️🤦♂️
It’s bad. Hahaha
Lmfao wow
Displaying no Intelligence as usual is more like it ....
I hate when he tries to talk down to Rachel, especially because she knows so much more than he does lol.
He's out of his element and I don't think he his homework like Shannon did.
Skip running outta excuses 😂😂😂 Tatum only 26 years old & has accomplished hella more than a lot of players at his age. There is no Batman & Robin with JT &JB… more like Superman & Batman!!
Skip hates the Celtics so much that he just tries to start the fire between Tatum and Brown by saying Brown is better hahaha he knows it's clearly not true.
Clearly not true? Don't see jordan and lebron not getting mvps
@@nathanh2725but u seen Kobe and he’s undisputedly top 4 of all time
A lot of Jaylen Brown praise is disguised as Jayson Tatum hate. It is a supreme disservice to both these men regardless whom you personally prefer.
Yes he deserves the respect because all season even with a 60 plus winning team he was getting criticized by the media.
Tatum and brown both compliment each other. Tatum over the years matured and started to do more on the court. He is learning that he doesn't need to put up high numbers and scoring too win. He can put up those numbers as he had proved it with 51 against the 6ers. Brown is more explosive. I personally think jt should've won the finals mvp.
Jason Tatum the best player on that team
At this point You can call him whatever, best player or not, just make sure to include Champion in that
He put the target on his own back and then cries when ppl doubt him, lol
@@IslandofObscurity_40he still won a championship have u?
@@Liltee11so he should not be criticized for things he does because he won a championship but joker, bron etc should?
@@ituoiocchisudeme6606 who said they should clown I say the same about them all they won a championship but some people still want to hate
@@ituoiocchisudeme6606when you speak down on those players it’s hate.. not criticism
Tatum definitely disappears in some big moments and appears in others. As a Celtics fan, he’s been our most frustrating player by far. But he’s been a statistical leader on a celtics squad thats been making the ECF basically every year and the finals sometimes and now won it all. If this continues and they add another title or two, itll be one of the most dominant careers ever for the both of them.
he needs to stop shooting so many damn ill advised 3s
@@mrenzo2004 Agreed. He has some of the dumbest offensive possessions I've ever seen. IDK if he's coached that way or what but it just seems that his possessions often correlate with the Celtic's offense stalling. It's maddening. I don't know if he takes the ball when the offense breaks down, or if the offense breaks down because he's hogging it.
I also don't like the floppy drives that often end up in a turnover and a complaint. Dude is a specimen with his length and strength. He's not center-strong but he should be able to give us way more highlights than he does. But sometimes he looks clumsy instead.
But he's been playing great defense and passing more and cutting down on the turnovers. His numbers are good, it's just the problem that his points 'look' hard, when many players in the same atmosphere make it look 'easy.' Something is off.
And he just doesn't have a great camera personality, which isn't a knock against him but makes people resent how good he is. People want the top talent to be more like Luka and ANT, which is fair, and I think people sometimes get impatient with players who don't give them more drama.
The Celtics coaching staff is encouraging those threes. The more threes we shoot the better in Joe Mazzullas eyes and if the possession is going nowhere, taking a three is actually an efficient shot for Joe. That’s why a bunch of our players shoot and jack up threes when the offence is stalling we want to get an “efficient” shot up while also setting up our defence if Tatum was constantly driving during those end of the shot clock situations there would be a disadvantage in the transition defence. You gotta look at things more from a coaching, Joe Mazzulla perspective. JT is encouraged to shoot those threes and the rest of our players especially if the shot clock is going low and if you look at JT’s side step difficult threes it’s more usually during end of shot clock situations. This strategy won us the chip. It’s mazzulla ball.
Wrong, ask Milw and Philly if he disappears in big moments games 6 and 7 in BOTH series, 6-1 in elimination games hush child
Tatum is fine.. he’s the man.. every player has flaws.. brown is a star as well.. I don’t get why you would have 2 stars.. but the pressure only on one.. like everyone’s doing to Tatum
Jayson "Zero Doubt" Tatum
He didn't rise to the occasion, Brown did!
Who won finals mvp tho 😂
Don't matter
He’s still a champ
@@swoop1341 so is al horford
Still a champ. That's just an individual award
He is still a NBA Champ tho.
Keep saying Jayson Tatum didn’t shoot good/play good in the post season. Now he has a championship watch how freely and dominant he will play from here on next post season included.
Poor Celtics, no one is talking about their championship, people now are talking about Bronny James joining the Lakers to play with his dad Lebron
Yeah as same as they talk how they have 17 titles when 5 of then won at Minneapolis before the merger 😂
Because the Lakers are a clown show. People need something to laugh at once in a while.
Oh you talking about Mr. 4 Points?
@@marvinm8343facts 🤣🤣
correction, people are laughing at the Lakers, not talking about it
Tatum said now you have no choice but to Put some respect on his name!💪🏿🖤
Didn't even win finals MVP and he disappears in playoffs all the time
But people act like tatum shows up. Tatum does disappear
7th player ever to lead the team in points, rebounds, and assists throughout the playoffs while getting collapsed on by opposing Ds consistently. Time to just be quiet and find someone else to go after.
I’m a Boston fan, Jaylen Brown definitely deserved FMVP. As it pertains to defense for Jaylen and Jayson. Jayson’s impact on defense was just as important as Jaylen’s. Dallas had the same amount of lobs as the other 15 teams in the playoffs. What would we be saying about Jaylen’s defense on Luka if Tatum wasn’t guarding Lively/Gafford and it was Horford instead coming up to guard that pick and roll? Tatum being on Dallas’ Centers kept Horford out of the action which took away a very important part of Dallas’ offense which was the lob. Not too mention Tatum’s rebounding ability also made that possible as he lead them in rebounding the entire year including playoffs and finals and the previous few years as well. They both tied in defensive advance stats at 106.5 I think which supports my point that Tatum guarding the center and securing the rebound to end the defensive possession was just as critical as Brown on Luka. Then on the offensive end, Tatum was the catalyst on offense. He setup all the plays. Lead them in assists and points. His efficiency left a lot to be desired but his impact on both ends of the court for his team should not be discredited. Tatum is definitely the Celtics best player and a top 5 player in this league. What he did was not a fluke either because he guarded Evan Mobley in the ECSF and he guarded Myles Turner in the ECF. Tatum just made 26 March and Brown will be 28 in October. One could argue that Jaylen being almost 2 years older has more grown into his man’s body which makes him be a little more efficient at this point in time. Jaylen might be further in his prime than Tatum who still has some more weight to gain to get his man body. Imagine Tatum in 2 years about the same point age wise of his prime as Jaylen is now. He’s already more talented so he has the potential to be an absolute beast!
Tatum has had a higher true shooting percentage (better efficiency) than brown every year of their careers they've played together
@@SabLew-yh2orbrown has shot better FG% every year in regular season and playoffs and in the 2 finals.
8:08 yoo he Said what 😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️
Ayo 😂
😂😂😂😂😂 he gotta calm down
Nasty work
Unc tripping 😂😂😂
Tatum is a lightning rod. He draws the defensive AND media attention that frees up his teammates to excel.
JT is right 🤷🏾♂️
Saying the guy that won ECFMVP & FMVP is Robin in crazy work, I understand wat you thought about both before but please include everything when we say these things, when Tatum was leading, they ceiling was game 6 of finals
He being real lightskinned
What's that supposed to me ?
Explain
Meaning what exactly?🤔🤔🤔
😂😂 iykyk.
@@PhillipThu if you're protecting it as some need to know basis kind of thing, then it ain't really as funny as you want it to be
The Celtics have the best two way starting backcourt in the NBA. Severely underrated.
It might be the greatest defensive backcourt in history. Top 3 at least.
And he didn’t LEAD HIS TEAM, Brown and Holiday did
Facts
Fr if Brown didn’t get FMVP, then it would be Holiday
Didn't he score the most points for the Celtics in the playoffs?
Lol Tatum was the primary ball handler and was the only guy who consistently had defenses collapsing on him. Watch the games.
@@ChokeslamToHell are you dumb brown and holiday was collapsing defenses. You tried with that dumb one but we watch games here nice try.
not a celtics fan but the players deserve this gold
Tatum thinks he’s safe now 😂
He a champion regardless what anyone say
@@IMYOURMAJESTY92 Levels to this sadly
@@_YourFlyIsOpen you sound goofy. No one said he was Jordan or Lebron but he still a champ and your favorite player/team aint 😂
@@_YourFlyIsOpen Exactly, and it's weak when you see a guy act like 1 championship is enough to be a great in the history books. Maybe some of these guys don't think they can ever get up there.
He is
There’s no Batman or Robin on this Celtics Team they can only be decried as The Justice League because everyone played a vital part in every game
Tatum is doing too much. Trying to silence his own doubt 😂
You could tell he was in his own head during that playoff run, overthinking everything. The Celtics kind of won by default despite him playing under his own standards, but he acts like he proved people wrong
@@MaximusR93huh, TF u talking about the man changed his game to incorporate more teammates and stop those side step 3's and u said all the bull ish
Tatum did look a little worried before the rest of his team locked in.@@Blassie.P
The title is not what he specifically said but okay people are going to run with it even though its out of context.
Tatum not understanding that Brown has carried the team through the playoffs. He just did his part.
Skip should realize the other teams say differently when they double team tatum almost every possession and not Jaylen who is left wide open. They compliment each other with their play style.
Even Mahomes hasn't silenced his critics (I am not one of them) so Tatum needs to win a couple more titles to quiet his doubters.
And then another couple after that, to silence the doubters, and then a couple more after that, because still doubters left...
stop capping..he is recognized constantly as the best QB since Brady
Rob Parker and Skip Bayless disagree. Parker thinks Lamar. Is the best QB in the league, whereas Skip would take Burrow.
What are you talking about mahomes hasn't silenced the critics he hasn't been crowned the Goatyet behind top brady but he's widely recognized....stop capping fr
Looking back on the season I now realize the Celtics had the best duo in the NBA.
Rachel Nichols 😍😍😍
Yes she's 🔥 always I understand why Jimmy butler did what he did
@@Teddy42O Lebron already smashed
You young bucks are easily fooled because of today’s social media models. You all should see Rachel when those seven layers of makeup come off! Not want you ‘d expect to see after you roll over the next morning.
@@JBrown-go8ru lol ikr. Just look at the neck area. The world is full of men who's been conditioned to like a mess.
She likes Tatum
People need to stop using the “Batman and Robin” analogy. I see them more like Nightwing and Red Hood. They are both young and still improving and either one of them have the potential to turn into a “Batman”.
Skip is wrong.
Tatum is the best player on the team
He is quiet like Tim Duncan
He definitely not quiet like Duncan
Tatum isn’t the best player, I can refer to both finals. Game 6 against the warriors brown dropped 35 and Tatum did not show up.
Game 3 against the mavericks when the series could have gone 2-1, and the mavs won game 4 would have been 2-2, but the second half Brown carried the Celtics to that W and ended the series up 3-0… I don’t care about game 5, Tatum had to have at least one game….
Brown is ECF MVP and Finals MVP…
Crazy to think Tatum even ties Browns shoelaces.
@@AFK-HaCk-HeRTatum carried the first half of Game 3 and Brown was horrible that half, so what’s your point?
@@fyilando854 I did say since Duncan
Name a future HOF and 3 time first all NBA player after Duncan less quiet than Tatum
@@ChokeslamToHellJB wasn't horrible in the 1st half of game 3. He was playing defense and passing the ball a lot. He could have ended the 1st half with 8 assist if White and others hit their wide open 3s that JB passed it to them.
Keyshawn saying JT wouldn’t dive for a ball… did he not watch the Finals?! lol
People who don't watch sports create their own narratives.
Not a statistical thing, but I also respect a player who stays with one franchise to win more than someone that travels around, trying to win with different teams. It's easier to move to somewhere with a great core, or that has assets and are willing to build for/around you. It's hard to stay at home, deal with the team deciding whether you're "their guy" or not and listening to all the doubt that builds up over the years. Tatum did that and he did it through all the doubts and bad times. Glad to see him winning the title. Guy is one of the most special players in the NBA in terms of his versatility (able to threaten a triple double on any given night while playing good defense...there's only a handful that can do it in the NBA).
Jaylen Brown is the best player on the team he’s unique let call what it is Tatum is just more creative and talented but besides that JB is more dependable and consistent with that mamba mentality.
How'd Jaylen do last year when Tatum got injured in game 7 against Miami? They needed him to step up, and the comment section rubes wouldn't stop talking about how bad he sucks, has no left hand, can't dribble. Now he's better than Tatum 😂. You morons just don't think
Tatum was trying to win Mvp. He took horrible shots the last game. I'm glad he lost the mvp trophy to brown. I would take brown over Tatum anyday
Facts
I 100 percent agree
Nah. Opposing coaches intentionally game plan for Tatum first and foremost. Tatum is the one who gets double teamed all the time, which allows JB to get those OPEN looks. I trust the opposing coaches opinion vs Skip Bayless or any rando on You tube. Not to mention, he led his team in almost every stat this playoff run. Tatum has a much higher ceiling.
That's right Jayson Tatum's, YOU are the NEW TRUTH CHAMP
Tatum is the first player to win a ring but people still look at him the same way🤣🤣. Nobody cares bruh
The thing with tatum he didnt have the continuing dominance leading up to winning a championship... he wasnt like jokic a 3x mvp on route to a fvmp run
JAYSON TATUM MUCH DESERVED TO BE ECMVP $ FINAL MVP STATISTICALLY!!...IT SO HAPPEN THAT IT WAS DONE BY A FRAUD VOTING!!..
JT contributes and facilitating the game all the time and scores when needed most!..Others will not be able to score high w/o his assistance & gameplay, ..if you're the opponent, he is the one priority to be guarded and he knows it Thats why, if you check the STATS LINE (there is no disrespect to JB)..but the ECFMVP & FMV is VOTED BY THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT IMPACT AND NOT THE STATS....and the craziest thing is that If the BOSTON CELTICS LOST, JT GOT BLAMED THE MOST, BUT IF WON CAUSED BY HIM STATISTICALLY, BROWN OR CONNECT THE OTHERS GOT THE CREDIT (media hype)..Which is exactly happened...Brown got the MVP even though JT had the better OVERALL SERIES STATS...😅🤣
Jayson Tatum is a better rebounder, facilitator and Jaylen Brown is a better scorer, defender and leader
Facts
I don’t think Jaylen is a better overall defender, though Jaylen’s defense improved hugely this season and he’s now up there. Also tough call on scoring, because Tatum gets far more attention when he has the ball than Jaylen.
Let Jason Tatum and the Celtics enjoy their championship high.
Tatum, has an identity issue..
Of what him being a Champion? Did his team just not win a best out of 7 series to win the championship?
He’s a grown man with a kid and 1 on the way y’all need to stay off the internet lol, y’all care to much about what y’all think he should be
@@atlantahawksfan8443he’s missing a part of him because he’s gonna have a ring without a finals mvp.
Where's the guy with the timestamp for after Keyshawn talks?
Skip and the others can continue to say JB is better than JT in their opinions, but facts and the coaches/players in the NBA say otherwise. JT led the Celtics in points, rebounds and assists for the playoffs, the other coaches focus their defensive plan on JT, he is the one constantly getting double team and sometimes triple team. Saying that JB is better better because he won finals MVP is nonsense. Was Iguodala warriors' best player when he won the final MVP?
Skip destroyed his own argument by stating he can't say JB is the batman, if is the best player, he is the batman.
Dude was already a cornball, he become a champion and is now a bigger cornball somehow smh
Keyshawn is a ton nicer to listen to now props to him, I feel like during the playoffs there were a lot of times he either felt like he had to go against the grain and made him have some ridiculous takes and always delved into hypotheticals lmao. Much better now even talking NBA stuff
Tatum wants to be a legend so bad lol like bruh just let your career play out
He already a legend. If they ask him a question, he can answer
Already has made 4 1st All NBA teams, has a chip, and has the most playoff points scored in history for the first seven seasons of a career. Could potentially have 2x Gold medals after the Olympics. He's definitely on pace to be a Celtics legend and a 1st ballot hall of famer.
That’s the mentality of a lot of players now, Bron started the “putting the cart before the horse” way of thinking, declaring GOAT status before you get there
He not a Legend yet he still early in his career .
I mean if he puts up similar numbers in the playoffs as he has the last 3 years next year and at least makes the conference finals he would be sitting at around 25th all time in playoff points at 27 years old. Like he's easily on pace to be considered an all time great it's just a matter of what tier of greatness he's going to end up on.
Is it really that hard to use Batman and Superman as an analogy?!? because that’s exactly what they are Jaylen being Batman Jason being Superman
Doing his best to stay relevant
The media is crazy. Jayson tatum was a top-5 player THREE years ago when he dismantled kevin durant AND kyrie irving in a sweep, beat giannis head to head & beat a tough jimmy butler led miami heat team. He wins more than everybody, hes more durable than anybody & hes the most selfless bcuz of his humble nature instilled by his parents. His coaches gave him a blueprint to win the finals & that blueprint was to do everything...get teammates involved, let JB cook, rebound more, pass more & be there in the end. Hes checked all boxes.
Side note: Brown still can’t go left. Lol sad. All finals series I didn’t see one drive going left. As per usual, results in a mid-range pull up or turnover
And finals mvp
@@Stephenwhite013 true. I need to take JB business classes. How to be top paid player in NBA and Finals MVP having never learned to dribble with left hand lol
Having watched JB hundreds of times in the last few years, he can indeed go left now. Was doing it all year long. Last year too.
@@SuperDunk1000 indeed cannot. I been watching like a hawk kid
Bayless, “My turn! You two make too much sense, I’ll stop that!”
Refer him to never being himself being a bum on the court and following everybody else 💯💯🎯
Refer to him as an nba champion and that you know him and he doesn’t know you refer to him as a 315 million dollar man y’all hate on people y’all don’t even know it’s disgusting
You hating clowns are down bad. Tatum got you lames so triggered it's pathetic. Enjoy celtics championship
damn you are miserable
Tatum said “obviously it’s still conversations to be had.” Yes he’s a champion, and that can never be taken away. But I remember at one point there was a discussion about Tatum being the face of the league. As good as he is, I don’t believe he’ll ever be the player the media wants him to be.
He’s the best American born player currently though, but the top 3-4 are all Europeans
@@timsweeney684best American born player that’s about to come off the bench for team USA just like last Olympics😂😂😂 booker dame and jrue all started over him last time. Hes lucky kd got a calf strain he might have a chance to start now
@@Sam_Mekonnen he was the 2nd leading scorer on the team coming off the bench lol he could start at any position from 2-4. The only reason KD, Lebron, or AD would start over him is seniority. He’s better than all of them currently.
@@timsweeney684 Tatum isn’t better than any of those guys. Maybe AD. Tatum is just playing on team USA in Boston and they dragged him to a championship. He just stat padded in every fourth quarter to make it look like he played well. Jaylen is better than him so I guess Jaylen is better than Lebron ad kawhi kd ant booker curry and all those guys. The fact that u think Tatum is better than Steph after what Steph did to him in Boston during the finals is mind boggling to me. Steph just doesn’t have jrue Derrick jaylen horford and KP by his side
@@timsweeney684 That’s debatable. But even if he is the best current American player, doesn’t it say something when he doesn’t win conference or finals MVP?
Never seen the 2nd best player on a team talk so damn much
JB’s not talking tho
This is all you haters have and there’s barely an argument lol yall must be suffering this summer 😂😂 you’re basically saying brown is top 5-7 too
@@timsweeney684 happy for the Celtics but he struggled big time and he’s acting like nobody saw it, I don’t consider Tatum or brown top 5-7 maybe somewhere 10-15
@@JerrickButler-ev8mfstruggled big time lmao. He shot like 5-7% below where he should have, while facilitating the offense like a 6 foot 10 Jason Kidd and playing great D.
@@JerrickButler-ev8mfit’s the playoffs.. everybody planning to stop him.. it’s okay if he don’t shoot a high percentage.. he been to the finals 3 times and he learned.. to win it.. he might have to play different.. he adjusted and played all around.. JB ate.. but one series don’t make him better then Tatum
Skip saying that Jaylen was better because he was the one defending Luka really tells how little Skip knows about team construction and the defensive scheme that Joe Maz ran. That defense was entirely to deprive Luka of options from his dunkers and corners. The whole thing revolves around a lynchpin: Jayson Tatum holding down the dunker spot. Any success that Dallas had in game 4 came from Luka pulling Tatum out towards the free throw line to re-open up those options.
Brown is Batman, nba finals mvp. ECF mvp… what?!
Facts
A series does not make a Batman
See kyrie
I rock with Tatum but Steph already said “What are they Gonna Say now “ after the 2022 Finals
He also ripped of Garnetts "anything is possible"
Celtic created the new NBA
I know all media members were not athletes, but do we really need or want to hear a guy who couldn't even make it as a high school player, and decided to write an article criticizing his own coach for not letting him play, talk about sports? He mentioned the shoot against IND as a playoff saver. Didn't we sweep or gentlemen sweep IND? How would that shot be a game saver, let alone a playoff one (and I'm a JB fan more than JT), then this old man be yalking about "fire in the belly", at your age what you're talking about is gastritis pops, FOH and rush to a clinic, get your a$s home somewhere, with all this nonsense
Easiest PATH to the NBA Finals in the history of the NBA 🤷🏽♂️
That’s usually what happens when your the 1st seed and the best team in the nba idk if you know how the playoffs work 😅
@@Oldmanstillgotit wild take lol
Like the lakers in the bubble
@@Oldmanstillgotit dogs fights in the Wild West while we got cupcake series in Leastern Conference for 20+ years. Y u think LeQueen formed all his super teams in the Least? 😘
@@mrizzle58 doesn’t matter lol best team in the nba gets the 1st seed so. Lace them up and play don’t get hurt and plus when the Celtics went to the finals THE WHOLE WORLD PICKED MAVS because apparently the Celtics weren’t “tested” 😭 you a hater and you mad relax and watch the dynasty happen before your eyes 😂😂
The best part Keyshawn , and it was proven this year...Tatum and Brown can take turns at being who is Batman and Robin on any given night and that is one the best qualities !
Great job getting your first ring Tatum. Wonder if you can get six like Michael Jordan 😮
26 years old...you never know 😁
He'll end up riding the one ring like the '08 Celtics roster STILL does. I love KG from his days in Minnesota but guarantee he polishes that Celtics ring daily muttering "anything is possible"
Damn sports media really never heard of the Justice League. Boston got a Green Lantern, a Flash, and a Wonder Man. They even got a Martian Manhunter coming off the bench. And we're over here calling Superman Robin.
He didnt lead the team that was Jalen this is so goofy
So he ain’t lead the team in points,ast,rebounds this whole post season ??
Casual detected lmao
@@ralphiebreacts42 game 1 and 2 without jalen Boston doesn't win
Facts Brown was way better then Tatum in the finals
@kevinchafin6102 if it wasn't true then why did jalen get mvp. I watched every game. Jason tried to turn it on in the last game to get mvp but people who aren't Tatum biased knew who was better..
Rachel has never been able to just be herself on camera she's always so tense and robotic. Someone needs to tell her to loosen up she doesn't have to fake smile at everything lmao
Nah he not even the best player on his team bruh
Keep hating u no on a team your opinion doesn’t matter at all 😂
Tell me how he's not the best...he's the best player on his team all year has a little slump in the playoffs but still averaged more points rebounds and assist than brown in the fimals but he's not the best your a hater
@@NLMB793jrue holiday and brown better
@@NLMB793do everything has to be about “hating”
Lmao you wouldn't say this if the media wasn't pushing the narrative.. 😂 clearly the best
I'm just here for the comments😂
13:15 Skip, hit the nail on the head. Racheal & Key, are in denial 😂.
Skip goes "is it a debate who's better?" Proceeds to debate it for 15 minutes. He's a great player, him and Brown TOGETHER is what lead to an NBA ship.
There is a reason nobody remembers or talks about this ring. It is still a great achievement, but the Celtics path was relatively easy with a lot of injuries. If the Celtics win it again, that would shut everyone up.
Celtics had KP out. Does that change anything for you?
@@Roobeye He doesn't know who KP is or that he averaged 20 points per game...
Nothing will shut anybody up. They'll just keep changing the goal posts. Tatum doesn't have to prove anything to any armchair "experts" here. His resume speaks for itself.
A lot of comments on here anointing Jaylen as Batman or better than Tatum only because they have an underlying agenda.
These idiots don't realize that makes Jaylen a top 10 player in the league. This is a hard pill to swallow for the haters who were saying this only to put down Tatum. The Celtics have 2 top 10 guys and a championship. Cope
He put this target on his back by constantly comparing himself to Kobe. Dude's a sackrider
@@IslandofObscurity_40 you’re a bozo. Kobe was the biggest Jordan meat rider but you know nothing about that. It’s just cool to hate Tatum huh ☘️🤣🫵
@@im_that_603_guyYea difference is is Kobe was Jordan-esque on an alltime scale. Tatum rides his teammate's coattails as a glorified role player 😂
@@IslandofObscurity_40 you clearly have zero clue lmao
@@IslandofObscurity_40Cry harder bro
@@ChokeslamToHell As you cry lol
as a celtics fan, brown was clearly not the better the last 3 years. he was more efficient as a scorer, but couldn't handle as well, wasn't a great decision maker. tatum was the only one of the 2 who could be the centerpiece of the offense. browns better at all of that now so it's more of a question, but tatum was clearly the better player before.
Still no finals MVP. Got his chip as a “role player” that must be such an L for Celtics fans cause they know the 2024 chip has less weight than both of KDS 💀
A chip is a chip to boston fans brother. they wouldn't care if a team full of girl scouts got it done.
How so??? They've earned it...been balling year after year.....and beat everybody else all season. Stop it already.....no team had a chance this year.
@@wallbangingkapone sadly cause everyone was injured, but they did beat best west fair and square I can’t lie
@@DanielCombs-qf8iu true
How many roll players lead the team in points, rebounds, and assists?
Tatum hate be real. Averaged 30 10 and 6 in the conference finals. Then 22 7 and 7 in the Finals and real literally guarded 1-5. Bern first team 4 years straight and people be talking bout Jaylen like he has done that 🤔. Tatum the one that went head to head with Giannis Butler and KD and came out on top.
I still think the fact the 76ers AND Lakers both passed on Tatum and Brown in consecutive years in crazy.
Undisputed only talked about the Celtics at length when it was the Celtics vs Warriors Finals 2022.
Nobody guarded Brown worth mentioning. The plan is and always is to slow down Tatum. Yet, he always find ways to help get the win Stop the madness…casuals
Im a 76ers fan and i can bravely and honestly say?? Ive watched the kid hit a 50 piece in a closeout game 6 when we were up 3 to 2 in 2023. In embiids face and crushed me. Trust me skip he is that killa boy 💯 😅
She’s speaking facts about JT! 💯