Betrayed By Their Instruments - The Horrific Crash of Air Inter Flight 148
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
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How does a modern aircraft, flown by an experience crew simply fly and crash into the side of a mountain? That was the question investigators were faced with when it came down to understanding the details of how Air Inter Flight 148 unfolded. And as it turns out, a combination of a complicated approach, cockpit stress, the way that certain information on the flight deck was represented and an unfortunate coincidence, all came together in a deadly combination that spelt disaster. So, what exactly went wrong?
Well, come with me my viewer. Together we’ll delve into the Story of Air Inter Flight 148.
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In a way watching these videos can make you less scared of plane crashes, since most accidents need to have a lot of independent factors go wrong simultaneously for the aircraft to crash.
Not to mention it also train you, even as a passenger, what sort of cues and clues to look for and relay to cabin crew, thus breaking up a potential chain of events.
This makes me more scared to fly
@@sherylsocia4496you’ll do 100 things today that are far more dangerous than flying.
It's like when I was told to read "Left Behind" to see all the signs of the coming end times. The signs were so ludicrous and impossible to align (Oh, Israel becomes a world agricultural power and Russia's entire missile envoy fails?) that I went away totally unconverted. Am Yisrael Chai, I guess.
The ol’ “Swiss cheese” model..
For the entire last quarter of the video I kept thinking, okay but surely the ground proximity will kick in at any time. And then you dropped the bomb that it wasn't even *required* to be installed?? That's insane.
I was thinking I would hear that the GPWS was there, but switched off since the plane was in landing configuration.
Me too 😢
@Sashazur yes what a disaster when they shut off their possibly only warning of danger. That has to be against the rules now.
I'm pretty sure that with the gear down the goes doesn't go off as the computer thinks the aircraft is landing.
I had the exact same experience. My jaw actually dropped when Chloe said the plane didn't have one.
My jaw dropped at the time from 200 to end of recording. I'm no pilot, so hearing a 3000 ft per minute descent has me going "that ain't right, plane's not supposed to do that", but hearing the actual time from 200 to impact left me with my head in my hands. Brilliant video as always
Edit: PEOPLE SURVIVED?!!
There's nothing inherently wrong or dangerous with a 3300 fpm descent (I've done that), as long as the airspeed is controlled. The problem was obviously that they descended at that rate, unknowingly, right into the ground. They needed an alert, some sort of backup that told them their descent rate was very abnormal.
Moreover: they had useable limbs to go and find people to help ?!
The tension waiting for the “two hundred” warning was pretty intense. I also said “what?” out loud at the revelation that there was no ground proximity warning system in place. Great video yet again!
Honestly that original altitude selection interface on the A320 was *STUPID*
The confusing nature of the display was always going to cause an accident
* vertical mode selection
Its a typical case of developers thinking, theyre genius, but forgetting to have actual users (pilots).
Im an accountant, its exactly the same problem with new accounting programs, they never ask any actual accountants, so its always full of things, that needs changing, once its in practical use. Only ofc in the case of accounting, ppls lives dont literally depend on it.
I really dont understand, how nobody during the development of the plane remarked on the design of that display, not even the test pilots. I can only assume, that the test pilots were so into the schematics, that they didnt see the pitfalls for those, who didnt know the plane inside and out.
@@dfuher968believe me, the developers want nothing more but run their prototypes by actual users
but the way development is structured means the engineers making the decisions are often far away removed from the end users, they ask for feedback, and nothing useful filters back down the chain to them
@@tommihommi1There are software development methodologies that have real users involved all the way through. The only reason to not do it that way is to save time and money, as usual.
airbus has a long list of bad UI choices that caused crashes...
Well worth the wait, Chloe! Can't wait for your next big project. Ever since you dove into the electrical heart of the Airbus A320 in your AirAisa Flight 8501 video, I was waiting to see if you'd cover this or Air France Flight 296Q. Stories like this will be a great preparation for when you cover U.S. Airways Flight 1549. Dry wings and smooth cruising!
Thanks so much, always love Reading your comments ❤
@@DisasterBreakdown You're always welcome!
@DisasterBreakdown YES! Anticipating that new video!
Looks like I chose a fine moment to refresh youtube
Thanks so much for watching!
And another note: 3.3 degrees descent doesn’t mean 3.3 degrees nose down. It means that if you looked at the profile, the angle between the flight path and the ground would be 3.3. It doesn’t necessarily say anything about nose attitude.
You are correct...a small mistake but we all got the idea anyway
But if the ground level and level flight is parallel, then wouldn’t that be a 3.3 degrees nose down?
@@dew9103 not really. The plane doesn’t fly exactly where the nose is pointing. Angle off attack is generally different from nose attitude and different from flight path angle. It’s hard to explain, but you can be descending if your nose is pointing up, and also climbing when your nose is pointing down(ish).
@dew9103 Aircraft don't typically ascend with the nose down,but they definitely can descend with a nose-up attitude.
Someone more knowledgeable than me can correct tgis if need be, but I'm fairly certain that many aircraft are built with the wing chord angle NOT parallel to the fuselage angle. IE, nose dead level doesn't necessarily mean wings dead level.
I remember this incident as it was covered in an episode of Mayday. I like the way you covered it. You brought angles into the accident that Mayday, for whatever reason, left out. It actually clarifies the context for me. Keep up the great work, looking forward to your next "feature-length" drop. Cheers from Canada!
I think they leave a lot of technical things out to focus on dramatizing the episode
Yes I saw that one but it wasn't as detailed I don't think.
@@BrickNewtonyes they do
I think Mayday did a good job, but their focus on the dramatic annoys me to no end, and it's so much worse since, like, season 8-10, somewhere in there. When it was obviously a low-budget production with the same Canadian actors appearing in every episode, those were the good shows.
Been binge watching your videos all over again... just glad to have another new and fresh video... take care and thanks for the content
At some point one can really hope that those in cockpit design actually speak to pilots before development. I know Lockheed do this with their fighter pilots. I do adore this channel and I really do appreciate the fact that you choose to release these videos when they are ready rather than having to get something up. The quality is far superior now.
I know you used an A320neo instead of an A320-100, but I'm not complaining, the old Air Inter livery is nice.
I’m not complaining as well, it’s still the Airbus A320
The graphics in this episode are gorgeous, very well made! When the V/S FPA switch was explained, I immediately said to myself "Oh shit.." as it became very clear what happened next that would doom the plane. Excellent video as always!
Thank you for your intensely awesome skill in your videos.
What's so incredible is that you produce these productions on top of your day job as a meteorologist at your local TV news station.
Does she have any of her news segments online? I'd love to see her cover the weather.
I didn't know this. That explains the excellent meteorological in several of her videos!
@@WobblesandBean I don't know the station nor town that she lives in, somewhere in the UK, I'd reckon.
But on many of the weather-related crash videos of hers, she has done a terrific breakdown of the weather.
Hi Chloe! An excellent addendum to your wonderful piece last year about the Park Slope Air Disaster of 1960. You just keep pumping out amazing episodes and blowing everyone’s minds- at least mine, most certainly! As usual, I can’t wait any for the next one!
Every time I watch one of your videos I'm amazed by how high the production value is. Excellent work once again, Chloe!
The comment about circling ILS approach being valid and safe is not necessarily true. While it is valid, circling approaches are deemed too unsafe by most modern airlines’ SOPs. Even if it wasn’t, circling is a visual maneuver and doing it at night in a big hey that they expected to even have excessive energy on descent in is just a lot. And in the plane, if something is “a lot”, it eats into your safety margins.
This channel very quickly became one of faves. Never disappoints
Great news, Chloe! I got to sit in a 737 Classic cockpit yesterday ^^
No way!!! I wish I could ;-;
Your so luckyyyy im jealous😭😫
I hope you get a big sponsor for your next video so that you can tour the areas where the plane took off, where it was supposed to go, and where it crashed. Those videos are cool.
I rarely get to these videos this quick. Today is my day. Another masterpiece. I learn more with each video. I love the explanation of weather issues. I will probably listen to this again after work as I miss things while working. It would be great if you could be my weather provider. I actually learn things when it's you.
Great timing, I was just watching some older videos as I was ironing! Your coverage of these incidents is always top tier.
Another fantastic presentation Chloe! Thank you for your talent and hard work!
I always get excited when I see you’ve posted a new video. Thank you Chloe!
Your videos kept me company during 'night shifts' caring for my newborn this spring, whether I was awake or catching a little sleep when I could. You are one of my favorite channels and I have seen every one of your videos (some several times). Cheers and thanks for doing what you do!
Chloe your videos are so informative and edutaining! So glad I opened YT to catch a fresh release. Keep on keepin on!
Thank you so much!
I love the word edutaining!
disaster breakdown, here is a tip to getting aircraft models correct in future episodes, if the plane has or does not have winglets and u want it to have or not have winglets, press X to remove or add winglets. it literally works in any flight simulator i have played and i am certain it will work in X plane11 & 12 or microsoft flight simulator. (this works in some models like the a320 neo).
you can also press X on some aircraft to start/end boarding processes or load/unloading cargo.
(this only works in X plane 12)
Grandpa, Disaster Breakdown finally uploaded a NEW VIDEO！
You rock, Chloe! Thanks for bringing difficult events to us all with respect and class.
Thank you so much!
5:26 hi, future Chloe, all pictures of you are cool because you're awesome.
No one tells such extremely tragic stories the way you do. Thank you very much and looking forward to your next master piece!!
Chloe your videos are always so interesting and the way you present your ideas is different than the other channels that cover similar materials. Keep up the great work!!
Thank you! I’ve been interested in this tragedy for years, finally someone makes a documentary about it! Keep it up!
I've seen one before but I don't think it was highly detailed.
I really like your style. I watch a lot of air disaster videos, and this is the first of yours I've seen, and I definitely like your ability to explain things so clearly. You ought to be a professor -- if you aren't already. You have a natural way of making things clear. Keep it up!
“This is future Chloe talking from the editors office” 5:26
… LET US BE AUTISTIC CHLOE!!!! She just KNOWS us far too well LMAOOOOO
Also thanks again for always providing captioning on your videos, helps with my tism more than I could put into words, it’s genuinely really appreciated ❤
I am so grateful you keep creating. This channel and your explanations make things so easy to understand and later relate to my writing. Thank you so much!
Looking forward to the next, Chloe. Enjoyed this one as much as your preceding works. Keep it up.👍
This is one I haven't heard of before I believe. You learn something new every day - always always stoked for a new vid from ya
Really? It was all over Europe, when it happened, tho ofc thats over 30 years ago now, so u might be a little young for it (now I feel old, being a teenager at the time). But its also been featured in an episode of Mayday/Air Crash Investigation. Tho Chloe's version is even better!
@@dfuher968 Yeah this is absolutely a case that was before my time. I was born at the tail end of 1998, and though I live in Europe, for various reasons I wouldn't really have heard about disasters like this growing up or remember them. Honestly in general, much of the '00s and even the early 2010s is a blur to me.
I also haven't watched/listened to that much material on this subject generally - I've long had a bad phobia of flying so for the longest time avoiding this subject (despite it being something I find fascinating and - perhaps morbidly - curious) was the way to go for me.
Chloe's work is perhaps the main exposure I have to that kind of content, and I only started watching her stuff in the last few months.
That 200 to end so instantly was chilling 😢
Usual top notch presentation and perfect diction from Chloe. Thank you so much.
These are excellent videos Chloe. Just fantastic work!
This video made my day! Always waiting with anticipation for the next DB video, can’t wait for the next one! Thank you so much Chloe for this one, it really meant a lot to me!
Perfect as ever Chloe, the more I learn about aircraft and aviation the more absolutely sure I am I could never have piloted one and the greater my admiration of those who can and do. ❤
Great Video! I have really missed the best voice on YT. I havent watched one of your brilliant videos for a while, but I am happily doing so now, having some lunch before starting my shift at work.
Chloe, I have been watching you for a few years now and I just wanted to say nice one.!! You're very brave and your content is fantastic. I had to face friends and colleagues with my life choices and found it sometimes very hard, not knowing what people would think of me. Thank you for helping your corner of the world to be accepting of alternate views and ways of being, you are an inspiration to many I'm sure. Keep up the great work.
Let's gooooo Chloe is here!!! Love your videos, so well done!
This is Air Disasters quality great job! I can tell you put a lot of effort into these videos.
Chloe you've done another awesome job. Thank you!
EXCELLENT documentary. Great narration. A+ Keep up the good work! Subscribed, and I look forward to more of your documentaries.
I think you’re my favorite narrator on the internet.
Great to listen to while studying for my trigonometry exam! Except your videos are so engaging I find myself sometimes distracted! 😂
Great video as usual. I did find the music distracting at times. But this is an accident I knew little about. Very well explained.
I love your in-depth knowledge, your narration & small injected humour. Thanks Chloe appreciate your efforts.
Thank you for this, Chloe! Absolutely infuriating that the GPWS wasn't mandatory on this aircraft
I’m with you on this. Literally the stupidest thing ever.
I really appreciate your crash explanations. Thank you so much!
I’m currently unable to get more than a few steps (not fun for a former pilot) but seeing this appear today made my sleepless night worth it. It’s like I unknowingly waited all night and day for this. Thanks for another fantastic video Chloe, you’ve done a great job on it as always.
The way the 200ft warning barely even finished the words prior to impact was truly daunting. I knew enough about Airbus cockpit displays to see the direction this video was going and from the mention of the vertical speed/flight angle I instantly found myself saying “oh gods no, please say they didn’t”, but I knew the nature of this Disaster Breakdown was going to end only one way. Nothing could have prepared me for how fast that impact occurred whilst listening to the CVR though. The fact that there were any survivors was the next most shocking and amazing aspect.
Awesome vid Chloe! I'm happy and sad - happy that I got a great new video to watch 🙂, and sad that I gotta wait like another month to see you again. 😞
0:40 delve alert 😁
(Your video scripts are epic)
Ooh new disaster breakdown upload the day before I fly 😂
I have 2 airline disaster channels. Mentor Pilot and this one both of them are excellent. I'm not a pilot but I find these stories so interesting and inspiring. Thank you for your work. 💯👍🇺🇸
You’ve developed a great knowledge. Thanks for another video.
I am stunned an A320 ever flew without GPWS
Your channel is one of the few that I truly look forward to new videos from. Thanks for another great video, Chloe!
As always, very polished production. Thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to your next. Thank you Chloe‼️
Pfft, Chloe? lol, you mean Chris? 🤣🤣🤣
@@sentientdogma1206 you aren't funny, you're just an asshole.
@@sentientdogma1206 her name is literally chloe tho
What an intro! Better than we see in movies
long time fan here. great video!
Honestly, this kind of content is my favourite. Very interesting and generally shows how safe flying is.
Your work is amazing and it speaks for itself. Thank you for giving these flights the full respect and truth they deserve.
I’ve been watching you nonstop for days. My husband thinks I’m crazy. Yayyyyy, for a new video! ❤
WAKE UP DISASTER BREAKDOWN DROPPED ANOTHER FILM
No matter how many safety improvements were made possible from this crash, it will always be a tragedy in my eyes…. Losing ONE life (human or animal) would be a tragedy
Gone through another round of binging videos lately. Noticed that you have (apparently) only done one helicopter accident and would like to suggest perhaps covering the 2007 Phoenix news helicopter collision sometime in the future. Thanks for the content!
Once again another outstanding video. Thank you.
There are a few things worth noting. First, the A320 was a very new addition to Air Inter's fleet, which at that time was getting obsolete, as they had planes like the Caravelle, the Mercury's and early A300s. In fact, Air Inter had lobbied for a 3 crew cockpit, with unions going on strike and so on. So this kind of automated cockpits were new to them. Secondly, they had an interesting bonus if their flights were on time or ahead of schedule, as fast trains TGV were becoming more and more popular back then. So...that crew was in a hurry, in a plane they were not familiar with. These two factors, in addition to the terrible weather and the design issue present on first series A320 sealed this flight's fate
Ironically enough, watching all of your documentaries in the last few months made me super excited to finally go on a plane again last week (first time after four years). Probably because they just really reawakened my fascination for airplanes again, I felt like a happy little kid on Christmas again when I entered the airport!
I guess in a way, knowing why worst cases happen and recognizing how incredibly skilled a lot of pilots are in turning critical situations around makes me feel more safe... And also just knowing more about how planes work in general. Though I have to say hearing the auto pilot disconnect sound through the cockpit on my flight unnerved me a bit at first since I couldn't quite recognize it at that moment and thought it might have been an alarm for something worse haha.
Anyways. Just came home from my flight back and this video was the first thing I saw on my recommended page. Couldn't wish for better timing :D
Fun fact, on FSX/P3D there’s a freeware Airbus a320-100
I only know about Pairbus.
@@Canleaf08 I believe it was a project Airbus or something similar
Another perfect video. You really do the best job on these I have seen. You're really good at this!
You always do the be plane crash video essays
It blows my mind that a ground proximity warning isn't considered strictly necessary for a plane...
Anyways fantastic work as always Chloe! Happy to see you get sponsored!
Thanks for being a human. Those bot voices are annoying.
Thanks for another interesting video!
Disaster breakdown posts a new video, I watch instantly.
Me too 😊
thank you for the high quality episode!!!
I love the abundant no of ur info u give on these videos ❤
Even with a GPWS, the steep grade of a mountain slope might have prevented the system from giving an early enough warning prior to impact. What we have here is a clear lack of situational awareness. Even with both pilots having relatively little experience in the aircraft, how could neither have noticed that their vertical decent rate was set at 3300 fpm? Aviate, navigate, communicate, as another RUclips creator often says. During the setup for final approach, one pilot flies the aircraft while the other monitors the BASIC FLIGHT PARAMETERS and calls them out ! Altitude and rate of decent, airspeed, heading, state of flaps and landing gear, etc. The mistake made with the dual purpose display was an inexcusable rookie error that never should have happened with two sets of eyes and two pilots that had that many flight hours. An easily and totally preventable tragedy. Great job on the video and thx.
The crash at Mulhouse Habsheim (criminal misconduct IMHO) and the Warsaw crash shortly after gave Airbus a "Bad Name" in that time.
The communication style of Gouloise Bernard Ziegler "Non, zatte iesse impouzieble! Ai wiel aske unne aigienier!" (Asked about the Main Landing Gear Load Switch) made it not better.... The reporter asked wether thrust reverser, spoilers and braking would work with only one Load Switch activated. This was a option.
Lufthansa was also pissed off by that.
Amazing video. Thank you, Chloe. ❤
Welcome back missed your videos.
The revelation that the GPWS wasn't installed and NOT EVEN REQUIRED was quite shocking, because I'm so used to it being so ubiquitous, let alone on an Airbus!!
During the video I thought 'Ok so we have a then-modern A320 in 1992 in Western Europe, SURELY they have GPWS when they're flying and landing near the alps' . Glad to learn that there were survivors, I also consciously book seats in that most-survivable area of the plane when I fly. I'm not a nervous flyer, but just in case =)
Very good story telling and explanations! As always! Thank you very much for your great work!
Cheers from Canberra Chloe.🎉
You have the most soothing pleasant voice! I love the content and appreciate your in depth research! Thanks for the great video.
i literally have class in an hour and should leave soon but i love your videos so much it can wait
Ok but the air inter livery looks sick af on the A320
Thank you for this video! I grew up in the region, and this crash is still one that's talked about & remembered, especially in the failure of the search crews to actually get there in time. It also lead to long legal battles & the result of those are controversial to this day. Growing up hearing about "the crash of mt saint odile" kinda got me interested in learning more about planes & airplane accidents actually.
Glad to see you back. :)
This is one of those crashes where I cannot believe anyone survived. They had no indication of anything wrong before the crash, so they must have been so disoriented. Then they had to deal with dangerously low temperatures until rescue. They really went through it.
Don't understand how so many people can comment on a video which is 30 minutes long... only a few minutes after it was uploaded!
Did those commenting actually view the whole video?
@@mtm4athey might be patrons they get early access
@@jaki8739 - Oh that's a good point - thank you. There had to be a reason!
@@mtm4a(hint)