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Not true, tornado storm updrafts and cloud structures are almost ALWAYS going to be 25-40,000’ high - their cruise altitude was a TINY fraction of that. I don’t care what your weather radar says, you don’t fly into storms - especially with tops like this one had (no, I don’t need pictures - if it created a tornado, it had a significant towering updraft.)
@@EstorilEm According to the video, the pilots did attempt to avoid the storm. Moreover, contemporary (weather) radar was not sufficiently sophisticated and weather updates could not be supplied quickly enough.
@@EstorilEm Your argument would kindof work if they actually knew they were flying into a storm. But for as far as the pilots could tell, they were trying to AVOID flying into a storm. If you had payed any attention to the video, or had researched the incident, you'd have known that.
@@EstorilEm Tell me that you didn't watch the video without telling me that you didn't watch the video. To the pilots knowledge, they were avoiding a storm, as they should. They flew into a cloudbank whilst avoiding the storm on their radar, but didn't know they were entering something far worse. To them, it was just clouds.
Me: I can't believe Chloe went all the way to the Netherlands and didn't see the fox. Me at the end of the episode: YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I was aware of this accident at the time. Little did I know that I would have my own story to contribute, thank you for highlighting this accident. In April 2022 I was flying a similar sized jet in a remote desert region. Conditions were unstable with a cold front from the sea pushing into 40 degree desert air. Close to our destination the radio operator reported visibility of 300 meters in blowing sand, with a surface wind gusting to 40 Knots, we made a decision to land at our alternate, just 10 minutes away where the weather report was just better. On initial approach we could see very little in the poor visibility, but the weather radar was clear and we were in relatively smooth air with one stage of flap set, gear still up, positioned on an extended left base at 160 knots. Suddenly the sky around us went red, it became very turbulent, so we focussed on flying speed and attitude. We first hit a positive shear that forced me to close the thrust levers to avoid busting the flap limiting speed followed a second or two later with a violent negative shear that required TOGA in an attempt to keep the speed above the full flap Vref. At the time I was unsure what we had encountered, but it was a very wild ride until we flew into clear air again. It was only when we landed later that afternoon at our original destination that I had a clue. They asked "had we seen the tornados? " then the penny dropped.
It was actually a very old brand, named after the company's founder, Anthony Fokker. He started out selling aeroplanes to the Germans in World War 1, when the Netherlands were neutral. It was the favourite aircraft of Manfred Freiherr von Richthofen, better known as the Red Baron.
It's named after Anthony Fokker, the founder. There's a list of famous fokkers on Wikipedia and the numerous aircraft built by that company. There were a lot of Fokkers, so it's an extensive list of Fokkers. Such as the Fokker Dr triplane. The Fokker Dr was famous and many people knew about the Fokker Dr. Please, show respect to the Fokker Dr.
That title implies the tornado is a solid object. Which thinking about it, it really is. A wall of wind, with no mercy. Rest in peace to all lives lost.
Put your hand in water and gently stir. Liquid. Do a jump (not recommended) from on high into the water and with the momentum of the jump, the water will feel a great deal more solid.
Fluids (which air classes as under this context) can be as destructive as solid objects with enough velocity, pressure or time, in the case of wind erosion.
Also, it might be a wall of wind with solid chunks of ice or trees or houses or whatever too...which won't help anything at all, IF the wall of wind doesn't do you all on its own.
I just have to say, i deeply appreciate how you cover these disasters. Especially with this story, it would be SO easy to emphasize the "spooky" coincidences, however the details about how the plane was named, how tornado systems work and how complex radar can be, along with the footage of the disaster site, anchoring this story in the community/physical location, truly drives home how complex and interesting our world is, WITHOUT the need for aliens. Your channel and The Missing Enigma both make the choice to visit the site of y'all's videos and i genuinely believe it adds SO much and honestly i think, combats alot of magical thinking/conspiracy thought that tends to follow disasters I just wanted to say a gigantic Thank You for all of your hard work!
As someone who lives in Oklahoma, USA, where tornados are prevalent enough to be considered just a way of life, I found this episode extremely interesting. I’ve always wondered how this doesn’t happen more often (specifically before weather radar advancements), especially being in Tornado Alley, which also coincidentally coincides with the “flyover states” in America. That said, I am obviously glad that it is a rare occurrence. It’s just always been something I’ve wondered about and it was really interesting seeing your presentation on it. Your videos get better and better with each one. Thank you for all your hard work putting these together for us!
Lived just east of the Rockies and could step out the front door and see tornadoes out on the plains further east. Once was on a two lane road somewhere in SW Nebraska and saw funnel clouds on three sides of me. People who grow up outside "Tornado Alley," like I did, have no idea how common tornadoes are.
The brief answer on why it doesn't happen more often is that pilots tend to fly around bad weather. But that might spark the question: What about before radar? And the answer there is that they also still tried to fly around bad weather - but they were usually high enough to overfly stuff like this. Supercell thunderstorms can reach high into the sky, but the worst of the turbulance is relatively closer to the ground. But certainly planes did crash in bad weather.
I think it's pretty interesting that the only known plane crash due to a tornado happened in the Netherlands, a place not exactly known for tornadoes, rather than somehere like Tornado alley
@@Randomly_Browsing I remember that channel too! I used to often watch his ‘Top 10 air disasters’ in 2016-2018. I saw this particular accident in his Netherlands video.
Welcome back, Chloe! Firstly, I'm glad that you enjoyed your vacation. Secondly, I would like to say that as someone who's had an interest in tornados ever since watching the film "Twister" (1996), this story is something I'm gobsmacked by. I've never heard of this one before. Thirdly, if you wish to discuss the Fokker F-28, F-70 and F-100's irritable icing problems, but there are so many cases to explore in one video, I'd recommended trying to embark on making a small miniseries about the Fokker icing accidents. Air Ontario Flight 1363 and U.S. Air Flight 405 being the prominent ones. Also, maybe give a flashback reference to PalAir Macedonian Airlines Flight 301. And finally, since I was mesmerised by the intros of your 1960 New York City Mid Air Collision and Air Canada Flight 621 videos, I had an idea for if you do a highly requested case like Turkish Airlines Flight 981 or United Airlines Flight 232. That at you include a heartbeat that speeds up as images of the plane in flight, cabin and cockpit flash with the beat, ending in the crescendo of a black screen and a crashing sound and then you start telling the story. That would give off a real disaster/horror film vibe. Anyways, in the meantime, I'll let you relax, and thank you for uploading this video about this forgotten, but unique tale in aviation history. I can't wait for the next one! Love from one of your biggest fans!
Chloe has eluded to doing a video on the icing accidents of the F28 as far back as her TAM 402 video, and the usage of the infamous Air Ontario plane in the video suggests we shall see a video on such soon.
Did t she do one before? Someone help me remember which flight that was. Though I rewatch her stuff plenty. 😂 I’ll find it eventually. Finding out about that problem and the way things changed both gripped me and then put me at ease with the solution lol 😂
@@Transberrylemonaid TAM 402 was a Fokker 100, not an F28. What she said was that she wasn't done talking about Fokker because the now-defunct Dutch company is an endless rabbit hole with seemingly no end.
I used to watch all of your videos, and I just rediscovered your channel after a several year hiatus. The unbridled joy I felt when I realized that in the interim you'd also transitioned, and you'd also chosen the name Chloe, cannot be overstated. Welcome back to my home page, Chloe o7
@@Fitzrovialitter her name is Chloe too - and “new chick…” (sorry I remember it was spelled with a Q but I don’t remember exactly how to spell it that way) “…Chloe” kind of sounds like maybe she also transitioned. So if a RUclipsr that she is a fan of had the same experience and the same name now I can see her being happy. And some people like to use more extensive language than “the puppy is pretty.” I couldn’t think of a good simple sentence, but you get my point. Unbridled joy makes the point a lot better than I was happy to see. Anyway, what’s it to you or me? I’m just happy that others are happy. And at peace. And our slash this channel Chloe seems happy, and has thrown herself into her work. and that is good to see. I don’t think I’m really capable of unbridled joy since I’m going through a bit of a depression, not for the first time in my life. 😂 but I think it’s cool. 😎
Glad to see this because I had never seen this person before and I thought I was listening to a man and then I thought it was a bit of a comedy. But okay no worries 😉. What a tragedy this was.
Everybody cheer with the corporate bootlicker who is so happy that the pharmacological industry has another HRT slave for the rest of their life! We can look forward to increased profits same as the methadone zombies and type 2 diabetics!
You have no idea how happy I am to hear your voice again! While I support many aviation channels, I really love the dedication and heart I feel with these drops. TY so much for all your hard work to make these for us.
Before even watching the video, it's already taught me something. I saw 'NLM Cityhopper' in the title and at first thought it was probably a typo. 'Isn't it KLM Cityhopper?' I thought to myself, before realising it could have just been a name change I wasn't aware of. I go look up the airline and yeah, it was called NLM Cityhopper back then. The more you know. Chloe already teaching and she hasn't even started, great to have you back and I'm stoked for this one like always~
I’m not sure why it took the RUclips algorithm so long to recommend your videos to me. I often watch this sort of content and subscribe to many similar channels. Late though it may be, I’m certainly glad the algorithm finally got around to it! I’m currently enjoying going back through your videos. I find them to be very well done! Thank you from a new subscriber from the USA. 😊
chloe i stumbled upon your channel just a month ago and you quickly took the number 1 spot in the list of my favorite aviation channels keep up the work and greetings from poland love ya!!
My adopted country, for the past 25 years! Chloe, you continue to excel! I look forward to your offerings so much. Great work! You should have come for Amsterdam Pride last week. It was awesome!
I associate Eindhoven with WWII and Market Garden. My grandpa landed in Normandy on D-Day+2 and worked his way through France, Belgium, the Netherlands (including keeping the Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen intact for 10 before riding it down into the Rhine), and finally into Germany. At one point I'd learned a lot about that phase of the war in Europe (now mostly confused and forgotten in my mind). I don't imagine the people of Eindhoven are happy to hear from another American who knows their home only in the context of a terrible, terrible war.
@@dascandy Thank you. Then I'll tell you a little about him. My grandpa hated seeing such beautiful places and people destroyed by either side during the war. He did his duty and was awarded 4 bronze stars, but he never claimed them. He didn't think people should receive medals for killing people. He never told me any of his specific actions that merited those medals either. He didn't want me to romanticize his actions, which ate at his insides until he died. He was a good man. I'm sure Eindhoven today is a beautiful city with a million new stories, far more worthy of the telling than stories from the past that define Eindhoven merely as a strategic site with an important bridge to be taken while hopefully not destroying the town too badly. That was my concern. My only knowledge of Eindhoven is its strategic importance during a war 80 years ago. We can never forget what happened, but I want to acknowledge that life moves on, and I'm sure Eindhoven has moved on too. My grandpa moved on as well in 1995. He was buried with military honors in Ft. Snelling National Cemetery in Minnesota. He would have loved to meet you, even if you weren't alive while he was there. He always took every opportunity to meet people from the European countries where he fought so he could thank them for their kindness and hospitality while he was there. It meant a lot to the soldiers, even if that's not a message that gets out very often.
@@beenaplumber8379 Eindhoven has indeed moved on. It used to be the place for Philips (of the light bulbs) and related companies, and now is being taken over by ASML (of microchips fame). Basically, if it's got electronics, ASML was involved in its creation. It's a fairly important city now, the second-largest high-tech sector in the Netherlands (behind Amsterdam and its fintech stuff). Nobody wins in a war. We all know that. I'm happy your grandfather didn't lose.
I live in Holland, roughly 10 miles from where this incident took place and yet I've never heard of this accident. It's weird this wasn't bigger news considering the circumstances.
At the time, it was frontpage news in at least NRC, AD, Telegraaf, Parool and 'Vrije Volk', and some more newspapers, and on the 7th, the main story of the evening news. However, the reporting on the investigation was rather minimal. I was in Moerdijk at the time of the crash, visiting a family friend, and saw the inmediate aftermatch of it, so it is not something I'll ever forget.
@@elianewinter2638 I'll take that as a "You're younger than you look" compliment. No, I was a kid at the time and could have just missed this story somehow.
I haven’t watched your videos in while and I’ve missed them. Off topic a bit but you look amazing Chloe and I love your hair! Keep up the brilliant work as always and I’m so glad to be back watching your brilliant work you do covering these sad stories ❤
First time watching your channel. Right when I’m lamenting the fact these disaster channels never seem willing to risk getting in the weeds by diving a bit deeper into the more technical details related to an incident, you show up here…. And totally redeem yourself!!! Instant subscribe. Amazing work! Thank you!
Your analysis of aviation history is fascinating, I’ve been studying aviation accidents for most of my life and you definitely bring advanced knowledge to the discussion
Tornadoes are expected in several parts of the US (there are like five distinct 'tornado alleys') so both pilots and controllers are going to be considering them a threat in most any bad weather. In places where tornadoes are rare, it's only natural that people won't be planning for them, so I'm not really surprised that it happened elsewhere. Still wouldn't have been surprised if it was in the US of course, aside from the shock of not having heard about it yet. Planes and tornadoes are both mild obsessions of mine lol
Hey Chloe, I just want to say that I really appreciate you and your content. I’m transmasc, and I’ve felt afraid to be out in aviation communities because I’ve felt like it isn’t the safest of spaces. Seeing you be so authentically you, and not giving a fuck about what others think, has really helped me feel safe in the community. The support from the community here is also so amazing, you’ve made such a great place here on youtube. Please keep being you and being a badass ❤️
1. The clarity of your presentation is amazing!! It is an art to tell the story with such lucidity. Especially how you weaved in the locations and view of the two people who took the tornado pictures. 2. Your actual visits to the site of the incidents is praiseworthy. Great job!
I love your channel Chloe...you are my first choice in aviation videos. Thank you for all the time and effort that goes into your top-notch content ✈✈✈✈✈💙💙💙💙
First of all, you stop apologizing 😅. You make INCREDIBLE content that's worth waiting for! Don't listen to the ninnies who can't be patient for this fabulous FREE content. I understand why you are doing it though, I just want you to realize that the perfection you put into these is why I come back video after video....not how quick you bust them out. Secondly, some of the most sinister crashes to me are these weather related ones. For some reason, Pan Am 759 is one of the scariest. You're just taking off like a normal day and, instead of just losing an engine and crashing (ala AA191, which I live a couple miles from), your plane is just forced lower and lower and you slowly realize what's happening. Straight horror.
@@grmpEqweer I didn't say windshear or tornado. I said "weather related". The issue Pan Am 759 encountered a microburst that wouldn't allow it to ascend into the takeoff and thus slowly forced it down into a dense neighborhood.
@@grmpEqweer Delta 191 (mentioned in the video), dealt with the same issue. They weren't widely understood in the 80's. But even other weather related accidents just give me the shivers: Pulkovo 612, Eastern 66, Bhoja 213, Cubana 9046, TAM 3054, etc.
Wow, this happened about an hour away from me, and I'd never even heard about it! Got to say, I'm pleased you're the one to highlight it - you bring such excellent explanations, such insight in the details, but also compassion for the victims. Moerdijk is mostly known to the rest of the country for the bridges of the same name (both rail and motorway) which are the main ways of crossing the Hollands Diep - a confluence of a number of rivers that cross The Netherlands about midway through its waist.
Like all your videos, this was very in-depth and yet very easy to understand. Although these kinds of videos are often incredibly sad, I do appreciate how you present the information. And the fact that you went to the actual crash site shows amazing dedication, which makes the video even better. One other thing, even though it makes no difference to how much I got out of the video, I just had to mention that I love your hair and makeup. 😊
Excellent job as usual! I really appreciated how you went to the actual crash site. It satisfied my morbid curiosity tendencies. It is also refreshing to see you in person as you narrate the event. Be proud of the things you accomplish!
My Mother grew up in sight of Rotterdam Airport - my family are still there. Apparently one of my aunts used to sunbake topless on the roof of her building, til she noticed some rather low flying planes on approach XD
I was witness to the inmediate aftermatch of this accident, and remember it like it happened yesterday. I have nothing to add to the information in your video, just thanks for paying some attention to this mostly forgotten air accident.
Chloe your videos are always worth waiting for and i thoroughly enjoy each one. Never worry about how long something takes. The last one take a while was a damn feature length! You blow us away, take care after your trip!
Thank you so much for the time and passion you put into these mini-documentaries. I've watched many crash investigation and flight simulation channels on RUclips and yours is among the best around. I worked for a small East Coast of the US regional airline named "Altair" at the time of this crash and we flew 85 passenger versions of the F-28. The pilots hated them and I had several of them tell me they were winter conditions deathtraps. As a ramp agent, I remember the cargo holds falling apart from baggage damage and the exposed fiberglass getting into our skin causing irritation and itching. Some small leading edge damage, according to Fokker's maintenance procedures at the time, could be temporarily repaired using duct tape! We never crashed one (and the airline went bankrupt in 1982 before we did!) but I'll always remember them as a real dog of an airplane.
@@grimmgoosegoose216 It was a temporary, stopgap repair until more permanent repairs could be made but can you imagine getting on a plane and seeing that!?
@@MrCrystalcranium It might look like duct/duck tape, but normally it's a different version called "speed tape." People get them confused when observing them from a distance, and there are numerous hysterical articles and videos of people seeing speed tape and confusing it with duct tape. Edit: I've flown on at least 5 international or intercontinental flights that had speed tape on them. Yes, I'm sure some people worried.
@@grimmgoosegoose216 It isn't. Or shouldn't be. Since the 1980's and perhaps earlier, there's been something called "speed tape" that's different from duct tape. Temporary non-structural repairs. Wing leading edges being pretty common. Still in use today, BTW.
I had to laugh at your muted surprise at the Dutch authorities placement of the plaque in memory of this disaster at the precise point of impact. As a frequent visitor to the Netherlands, this is sooo Dutch! The Dutch are a very logical people. They also have a wry sense of humor. That aside, thank you for another very informative video.
My god, what a horrid way to crash… RIP Side note: Tornadoes don’t only get classified by air speed. They also get classified by damage. So, wind speed of 200 doesn’t make a tornado an EF5
true, nws just recently changed a reported ef3 to an ef4 we had out here in omaha, nebraska earlier this year because the assessed damage was greater than originally estimated, despite the initial classification being mostly based on the high wind speeds.
I have a vivid memory of that other big Dutch crash in the Bijlmer near Schiphol. This must have been big news too but I completely forget. Thanks for making it
@@Sashazur It's a common contributing factor but rarely a primary cause. Maintenance procedures, pilot procedures, inadequate training, corporate & cockpit cultural factors, inadequate crew rest and scheduling factors, lax oversight, deliberate actions, and design & manufacturing factors (thanks Boeing) are really more likely to be primary ("proximal") causes. As Chloe says, this case was a rare exception. If weather is a factor in an accident, the final report will usually say the probable cause was the pilot's decision to continue flight into... whatever weather conditions, because pilots know (or should know) what kind of weather they're flying into and make other safe arrangements when necessary. This crew flew in close proximity to an area they had identified as a storm cell, so the report might still cite that decision as the primary cause. I haven't read this report, though I've read many others.
K now I've finished the video i can also add that it's excellent as always. Thank you for always making sense of things without being patronising. And I love that you visit so many places yourself for these too.
Living in the US and having experience with tornado's, I have to say that your explanation of how they form and what they are is one of the best I've heard. They are no joke and if you see one move as fast as you can in the opposite direction! PS - I love your dress!
Chloe, you put so much work on your videos and I enjoy them so much! You are beautiful and I love seeing you on screen more ❤️ thank you for sharing your transition journey. Exposure is very important. Much love
Chloe it is always inspiring and touching.. how you make it a personal experience and that much more connected.. by visiting some the places/sites.. at-least the ones within Europe. And that fork in the narration and you taking us through the insights into various weather phenomenon DID actually add to this production and made the documentary that much more wholesome. Our thoughts are with those departed and the horrific realisation which they must have had.. once the plane lost its structural integrity and took those minutes before it 🥺.
Thank you so much for your videos! You do such a great job explaining these concepts for fools like me (I have a sociology degree, we aren't trained in how planes work 😆). Love your asides to explain things further like the weather here and it's always so chilling to see the actual sites. It really adds a lot and I don't think I've ever seen another plane crash/disaster focused creator do that.
Love the weather lady. First time I hear about this sad accident. Thank you friend for sharing this horrible accident. Condolences to the families and friends. May the never be forgotten and rip Amen 🙏. Hi from Temple Terrace Florida. 🇺🇸🇵🇷🙏.😊
Thank you Chloe! I thought I was an air disaster aficionado until I saw this. Had no idea. Appreciate you traveling to the Netherlands to bring us this video.
Wonderfully produced presentation, Chloe! The detailed explanation of rotary storms, particularly tornadoes, was well done and a revelation to me. Thank you.
Wow i never thought someone would make a video about this diaster... i visited the crash site years ago and it was still rather obsceure Thanks Chloe for coverring it
Chloe pet!! 😉 Your hair is fiiiiiiire girl! ❤️🔥❤️🔥 I love it! With the make up you’re giving me Taylor Swift vibes today! 😍 I love the little very subtle ways in which you try to lighten your heavy themed documentaries (I’m calling them what they are!) with things like little puns, the broadcasting to ‘yourself’, the way you’ll match your outfit with your background - and today your hair haha - (which actually gives a really crisp and clear picture) and the music during those segments which is almost slightly ‘silly’ if you know what I mean…. Im sure I’ve said it before but I love everything about your work. You go into so much little detail that often we’ve never heard of even from well published disasters. You’re a master at research and the way you deliver your content is stellar. Better than a lot of stuff I’ve seen on Netflix etc! And your voice of course - I could listen to it read to me for daaaaays. In fact, that’s what first made me watch one of your breakdowns when the You Tube algorithm brought you up on my feed one day. You’ve got the most perfect voice for narration. It’s so clear and so pitch/tone perfect that it’s almost soothing! And that’s the best kind of voice you want telling these awful tragedies. I switch off if I stumble across one and then the person narrating starts getting all hyper and over dramatic as the accidents unfold…. those people seem pretty crass to me. I also love your sensitivity, your well timed wit and the way you’re not afraid to call out BS. The fact you’ve started going to some of these sites too is just more proof of dedication to your craft. It’s such a unique aspect that definitely sets you apart from all the other channels. And the photos you hold before showing us the calm of what those places look like today hits so, so hard. I also very much appreciate that unlike the other channels you don’t show the impact moments followed by these big explosions and your graphics don’t have the subject plane showing any damage like fire, breaking up etc. it’s super, super classy and respectful to do it the way you do so the plane flying in your videos remains fully in tact and you only show simple diagrams over the footage. That’s just so much better and appropriate in so many ways. I don’t know how you’ve not yet been snapped up by some big production network but it’s only a matter of time. I’ve watched a lot of these channels over the years and I’ve seen a lot of these incidents before, yet I’ve learnt so much more about many of them from you. And your attention to detail and effort is truly appreciated. I mean, you only have to look at your comments section compared to other large aviation channels. Yours is the only one where literally everyone is either interacting with the content or praising your work. And the fact that so many pilots have been subscribing this year I think speaks volumes too. It’s hard to impress any audience in this day and age, let alone the experts - the very people who work in the industry and who fly these aircraft. You’re an educator, a producer, a documentary maker, a filmography, a computer tech, a researcher and an inspiration all wrapped up into a super awesome lass who also consistently has awesome hair, eyeliner techniques I can only dream of being able to do and a wardrobe that’s full of treasures. You lady, are the mother of in total legends. 😘 This Yorkshire lass thanks you, Chloe xxx
Uh. It’s an aviation YT channel. Maybe you should just send a love letter by mail? I don’t think people (or the algorithm) come here for hair and makeup. 🤦♂️
I've studied hundreds of air disasters in meticulous detail for over 20 years and have never heard of this one. You have a great channel 👍 Keep it up and thank you
I have a terrible fear of tornadoes. I’m from the south having lived in Kentucky and Florida. I moved to Eastern Washington State because the weather is more predictable. I can’t imagine flying an aircraft anywhere near a tornado. They are so unpredictable though, that’s why I fear them. Thank you Chloe for the informative video.
I experienced a microburst at ground level and is kinda scary, it happened at medusa music festival 2021 and had international coverage. 2 people died as the stage was being ripped apart by the wind, the wind was like 15 degrees colder than the air that day and the visibility was nearly zero, the whole thing lasted 3 minutes, after which everything was normal, clear sky, hot air and everyone evacuating, still there's little to nothing one can do to predict it. I just can't imagine what it must have been like at plane altitude
I hadn't heard of this accident before. Excellent video! I especially liked that you took the time to go over the storm type and how a tornado forms. New subscriber from Texas 🤠👍🏻
What an amazing and well made video, thank you so much. I can't wait to see you take on the '92 El-Al crash in Amsterdam, which is has a lot of online resources available. EDIT: strike that last bit! You already did it and I seemingly fail to find it so far! Many thanks! Btw chilling coincedence to see you published this a day before the Flight 2283 crash in Sao Paolo, which seems to be from flying into a severe weather system as well.
This might come as a surprise to some folks, as we don't normally associate tornadoes with Europe, but the area from northern France, through the Benelux countries, into northern Germany and even into Denmark and Poland is the European equivalent of America's Tornado Alley. Granted they aren't as prolific or intense as the ones in the American plains or southeast, rarely getting above EF2 status.
Well done on this video as always. I like you visit some of the accident sights to show how it looks today. Showing the memorials really hits different when you see it.
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Your presentations are highly entertaining, well researched and benefit from your wonderful delivery. Thank you for the effort you invest in your videos. 0:03
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This is such an unprecedented scenario that you cant really blame the pilots
Not true, tornado storm updrafts and cloud structures are almost ALWAYS going to be 25-40,000’ high - their cruise altitude was a TINY fraction of that. I don’t care what your weather radar says, you don’t fly into storms - especially with tops like this one had (no, I don’t need pictures - if it created a tornado, it had a significant towering updraft.)
@@EstorilEm According to the video, the pilots did attempt to avoid the storm. Moreover, contemporary (weather) radar was not sufficiently sophisticated and weather updates could not be supplied quickly enough.
@@EstorilEm Your argument would kindof work if they actually knew they were flying into a storm. But for as far as the pilots could tell, they were trying to AVOID flying into a storm. If you had payed any attention to the video, or had researched the incident, you'd have known that.
Fokkered up scenario.
@@EstorilEm Tell me that you didn't watch the video without telling me that you didn't watch the video. To the pilots knowledge, they were avoiding a storm, as they should. They flew into a cloudbank whilst avoiding the storm on their radar, but didn't know they were entering something far worse. To them, it was just clouds.
Me: I can't believe Chloe went all the way to the Netherlands and didn't see the fox.
Me at the end of the episode: YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
O come on, it's about a 5 minutes walk from where she is located. You have to bring some flippers though.
But... what does the fox say?
@@erikaswanson7072 'ech waar' ofc, if its from Rotterdam
fox fox fox!!
"It's a Big Floofer! 😻"
I was aware of this accident at the time.
Little did I know that I would have my own story to contribute, thank you for highlighting this accident.
In April 2022 I was flying a similar sized jet in a remote desert region.
Conditions were unstable with a cold front from the sea pushing into 40 degree desert air.
Close to our destination the radio operator reported visibility of 300 meters in blowing sand, with a surface wind gusting to 40 Knots, we made a decision to land at our alternate, just 10 minutes away where the weather report was just better.
On initial approach we could see very little in the poor visibility, but the weather radar was clear and we were in relatively smooth air with one stage of flap set,
gear still up, positioned on an extended left base at 160 knots.
Suddenly the sky around us went red, it became very turbulent, so we focussed on flying speed and attitude.
We first hit a positive shear that forced me to close the thrust levers to avoid busting the flap limiting speed followed a second or two later with a violent negative shear that required TOGA in an attempt to keep the speed above the full flap Vref.
At the time I was unsure what we had encountered, but it was a very wild ride until we flew into clear air again.
It was only when we landed later that afternoon at our original destination that I had a clue.
They asked "had we seen the tornados? " then the penny dropped.
Crazy story. What region was this in, and what plane were you flying?
@@finger3215 It was a BAe146 in North Africa
Did you say yes? LOL
Holy moly, pity the tower didnt think to tell you eh?
@@Him_He_Me These fields have no ATC
Blowing sans? Can't imagine the turbines and other parts are too fond of that. Great way to get looser tolerances for cheap I guess though.
Hearing you say “Fokker” never gets old.
We can call the first ever fokker plane a motherfokker
The marketing team know EXACTLY what they are doing when they name it the Fokker 28
It was actually a very old brand, named after the company's founder, Anthony Fokker. He started out selling aeroplanes to the Germans in World War 1, when the Netherlands were neutral. It was the favourite aircraft of Manfred Freiherr von Richthofen, better known as the Red Baron.
It's named after Anthony Fokker, the founder. There's a list of famous fokkers on Wikipedia and the numerous aircraft built by that company. There were a lot of Fokkers, so it's an extensive list of Fokkers. Such as the Fokker Dr triplane. The Fokker Dr was famous and many people knew about the Fokker Dr.
Please, show respect to the Fokker Dr.
I snicker every time Fokker is said 😂
Green Dot Aviation and Disaster Breakdown post within a day of each other, this is gonna be a good few days for videos
Cringe
That title implies the tornado is a solid object. Which thinking about it, it really is. A wall of wind, with no mercy. Rest in peace to all lives lost.
Put your hand in water and gently stir. Liquid. Do a jump (not recommended) from on high into the water and with the momentum of the jump, the water will feel a great deal more solid.
@@FrancisFjordCupola😂😂
It rips many solid objects in its path apart.
It's definitely a physical thing, metaphysical if you will.
Fluids (which air classes as under this context) can be as destructive as solid objects with enough velocity, pressure or time, in the case of wind erosion.
Also, it might be a wall of wind with solid chunks of ice or trees or houses or whatever too...which won't help anything at all, IF the wall of wind doesn't do you all on its own.
I just have to say, i deeply appreciate how you cover these disasters. Especially with this story, it would be SO easy to emphasize the "spooky" coincidences, however the details about how the plane was named, how tornado systems work and how complex radar can be, along with the footage of the disaster site, anchoring this story in the community/physical location, truly drives home how complex and interesting our world is, WITHOUT the need for aliens.
Your channel and The Missing Enigma both make the choice to visit the site of y'all's videos and i genuinely believe it adds SO much and honestly i think, combats alot of magical thinking/conspiracy thought that tends to follow disasters
I just wanted to say a gigantic Thank You for all of your hard work!
As someone who lives in Oklahoma, USA, where tornados are prevalent enough to be considered just a way of life, I found this episode extremely interesting. I’ve always wondered how this doesn’t happen more often (specifically before weather radar advancements), especially being in Tornado Alley, which also coincidentally coincides with the “flyover states” in America. That said, I am obviously glad that it is a rare occurrence. It’s just always been something I’ve wondered about and it was really interesting seeing your presentation on it. Your videos get better and better with each one. Thank you for all your hard work putting these together for us!
Lived just east of the Rockies and could step out the front door and see tornadoes out on the plains further east. Once was on a two lane road somewhere in SW Nebraska and saw funnel clouds on three sides of me. People who grow up outside "Tornado Alley," like I did, have no idea how common tornadoes are.
The brief answer on why it doesn't happen more often is that pilots tend to fly around bad weather. But that might spark the question: What about before radar? And the answer there is that they also still tried to fly around bad weather - but they were usually high enough to overfly stuff like this. Supercell thunderstorms can reach high into the sky, but the worst of the turbulance is relatively closer to the ground. But certainly planes did crash in bad weather.
I think it's pretty interesting that the only known plane crash due to a tornado happened in the Netherlands, a place not exactly known for tornadoes, rather than somehere like Tornado alley
@@thomasaldridge3179 Tornadoes are quite common in the Netherlands, but they tend to be weak
One of the most forgotten air accidents brought to the light of the internet.
I still remember this because i watch Ryan Kirkpatrick
Why do I see you everywhere?
@@saamthepuffer4336 who?
@@Randomly_Browsing I remember that channel too! I used to often watch his ‘Top 10 air disasters’ in 2016-2018. I saw this particular accident in his Netherlands video.
@@sunnyfon9065 yes
I was yelled at in a grocery store today... A DB video makes everything better
That sounds quite unfortunate
me too for injecting ket into bell peppers
That sounds awful. Hope you’ll feel better soon.
@@AnythingForSouls ok you fully get the vibe, i love it
@@sunnyfon9065 thanks, already do, there's nothing Chloe's voice cannot fix
I love the "crash site today" segment you're adding in your most recent videos.
Welcome back, Chloe! Firstly, I'm glad that you enjoyed your vacation. Secondly, I would like to say that as someone who's had an interest in tornados ever since watching the film "Twister" (1996), this story is something I'm gobsmacked by. I've never heard of this one before. Thirdly, if you wish to discuss the Fokker F-28, F-70 and F-100's irritable icing problems, but there are so many cases to explore in one video, I'd recommended trying to embark on making a small miniseries about the Fokker icing accidents. Air Ontario Flight 1363 and U.S. Air Flight 405 being the prominent ones. Also, maybe give a flashback reference to PalAir Macedonian Airlines Flight 301. And finally, since I was mesmerised by the intros of your 1960 New York City Mid Air Collision and Air Canada Flight 621 videos, I had an idea for if you do a highly requested case like Turkish Airlines Flight 981 or United Airlines Flight 232. That at you include a heartbeat that speeds up as images of the plane in flight, cabin and cockpit flash with the beat, ending in the crescendo of a black screen and a crashing sound and then you start telling the story. That would give off a real disaster/horror film vibe. Anyways, in the meantime, I'll let you relax, and thank you for uploading this video about this forgotten, but unique tale in aviation history. I can't wait for the next one! Love from one of your biggest fans!
Chloe has eluded to doing a video on the icing accidents of the F28 as far back as her TAM 402 video, and the usage of the infamous Air Ontario plane in the video suggests we shall see a video on such soon.
Did t she do one before? Someone help me remember which flight that was. Though I rewatch her stuff plenty. 😂 I’ll find it eventually. Finding out about that problem and the way things changed both gripped me and then put me at ease with the solution lol 😂
@@Transberrylemonaid TAM 402 was a Fokker 100, not an F28. What she said was that she wasn't done talking about Fokker because the now-defunct Dutch company is an endless rabbit hole with seemingly no end.
@@TransberrylemonaidFFXIV noticed?
@@KellyVictoriaGribbenAre you sure??? I’m not really sure.
I used to watch all of your videos, and I just rediscovered your channel after a several year hiatus. The unbridled joy I felt when I realized that in the interim you'd also transitioned, and you'd also chosen the name Chloe, cannot be overstated. Welcome back to my home page, Chloe o7
You feel unbridled joy when a RUclipsr "transitions"? You're easily pleased.
@@Fitzrovialitter her name is Chloe too - and “new chick…” (sorry I remember it was spelled with a Q but I don’t remember exactly how to spell it that way) “…Chloe” kind of sounds like maybe she also transitioned. So if a RUclipsr that she is a fan of had the same experience and the same name now I can see her being happy. And some people like to use more extensive language than “the puppy is pretty.” I couldn’t think of a good simple sentence, but you get my point. Unbridled joy makes the point a lot better than I was happy to see.
Anyway, what’s it to you or me? I’m just happy that others are happy. And at peace. And our slash this channel Chloe seems happy, and has thrown herself into her work. and that is good to see. I don’t think I’m really capable of unbridled joy since I’m going through a bit of a depression, not for the first time in my life. 😂 but I think it’s cool. 😎
Glad to see this because I had never seen this person before and I thought I was listening to a man and then I thought it was a bit of a comedy. But okay no worries 😉. What a tragedy this was.
Everybody cheer with the corporate bootlicker who is so happy that the pharmacological industry has another HRT slave for the rest of their life! We can look forward to increased profits same as the methadone zombies and type 2 diabetics!
@@Fitzrovialitteroops, your transphobia is showing with those quotation marks!
You have no idea how happy I am to hear your voice again! While I support many aviation channels, I really love the dedication and heart I feel with these drops. TY so much for all your hard work to make these for us.
Before even watching the video, it's already taught me something. I saw 'NLM Cityhopper' in the title and at first thought it was probably a typo. 'Isn't it KLM Cityhopper?' I thought to myself, before realising it could have just been a name change I wasn't aware of. I go look up the airline and yeah, it was called NLM Cityhopper back then. The more you know. Chloe already teaching and she hasn't even started, great to have you back and I'm stoked for this one like always~
The LM is airline, literally skysailing company.
K is royal, N is Dutch.
@@mycosys Yes thats correct, however still part of the KLM family, also back in the days. They only changed the name.
@@marcosveltmanus2997 Kinda the other way - they were Nedline before KLM bought them
@@mycosys You mean "Netherlines" and it was a fusion between both (KLM and netherlines) later the name has been changed to KLM CityHopper.
@@marcosveltmanus2997 yes, apologies, but it was part of Nedlloyd
You're an absolute born presenter! Your body language, voice and assertiveness is just amazing.
Videos are getting more and more cinematic, good work!
Thank you!
@@DisasterBreakdown36 seconds!
@@DisasterBreakdown Are you a transgender??
I’m not sure why it took the RUclips algorithm so long to recommend your videos to me. I often watch this sort of content and subscribe to many similar channels. Late though it may be, I’m certainly glad the algorithm finally got around to it! I’m currently enjoying going back through your videos. I find them to be very well done! Thank you from a new subscriber from the USA. 😊
chloe i stumbled upon your channel just a month ago and you quickly took the number 1 spot in the list of my favorite aviation channels keep up the work and greetings from poland love ya!!
Thank you so much for not dumbing down the explanation of tornado formation!
My adopted country, for the past 25 years! Chloe, you continue to excel! I look forward to your offerings so much. Great work! You should have come for Amsterdam Pride last week. It was awesome!
Where did you live before, and what made you move? :)
(and perhaps most importantly: stay, haha)
The fact the plane was named Eindhoven gave me goosebumps
indeed!
I associate Eindhoven with WWII and Market Garden. My grandpa landed in Normandy on D-Day+2 and worked his way through France, Belgium, the Netherlands (including keeping the Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen intact for 10 before riding it down into the Rhine), and finally into Germany. At one point I'd learned a lot about that phase of the war in Europe (now mostly confused and forgotten in my mind). I don't imagine the people of Eindhoven are happy to hear from another American who knows their home only in the context of a terrible, terrible war.
@@beenaplumber8379 Lived there for ~8 years. Always happy to hear about the people that made us as free as we are. We should honor them where we can.
@@dascandy Thank you. Then I'll tell you a little about him. My grandpa hated seeing such beautiful places and people destroyed by either side during the war. He did his duty and was awarded 4 bronze stars, but he never claimed them. He didn't think people should receive medals for killing people. He never told me any of his specific actions that merited those medals either. He didn't want me to romanticize his actions, which ate at his insides until he died. He was a good man.
I'm sure Eindhoven today is a beautiful city with a million new stories, far more worthy of the telling than stories from the past that define Eindhoven merely as a strategic site with an important bridge to be taken while hopefully not destroying the town too badly. That was my concern. My only knowledge of Eindhoven is its strategic importance during a war 80 years ago. We can never forget what happened, but I want to acknowledge that life moves on, and I'm sure Eindhoven has moved on too. My grandpa moved on as well in 1995. He was buried with military honors in Ft. Snelling National Cemetery in Minnesota.
He would have loved to meet you, even if you weren't alive while he was there. He always took every opportunity to meet people from the European countries where he fought so he could thank them for their kindness and hospitality while he was there. It meant a lot to the soldiers, even if that's not a message that gets out very often.
@@beenaplumber8379 Eindhoven has indeed moved on. It used to be the place for Philips (of the light bulbs) and related companies, and now is being taken over by ASML (of microchips fame). Basically, if it's got electronics, ASML was involved in its creation. It's a fairly important city now, the second-largest high-tech sector in the Netherlands (behind Amsterdam and its fintech stuff).
Nobody wins in a war. We all know that. I'm happy your grandfather didn't lose.
I live in Holland, roughly 10 miles from where this incident took place and yet I've never heard of this accident.
It's weird this wasn't bigger news considering the circumstances.
At the time, it was frontpage news in at least NRC, AD, Telegraaf, Parool and 'Vrije Volk', and some more newspapers, and on the 7th, the main story of the evening news. However, the reporting on the investigation was rather minimal.
I was in Moerdijk at the time of the crash, visiting a family friend, and saw the inmediate aftermatch of it, so it is not something I'll ever forget.
Every person on earth misses a dramatic event by sheer chance. 😊
maybe you weren't born yet? (that was in 1981)
@@elianewinter2638 I'll take that as a "You're younger than you look" compliment.
No, I was a kid at the time and could have just missed this story somehow.
Great video Chloe, your work is very detailed and interesting when you visit the crash sites too. 😊
This channel has become my comfort channel whilst i suffer with some dental issues
that quality at the start is outstanding! even on 720p
I haven’t watched your videos in while and I’ve missed them. Off topic a bit but you look amazing Chloe and I love your hair! Keep up the brilliant work as always and I’m so glad to be back watching your brilliant work you do covering these sad stories ❤
First time watching your channel. Right when I’m lamenting the fact these disaster channels never seem willing to risk getting in the weeds by diving a bit deeper into the more technical details related to an incident, you show up here….
And totally redeem yourself!!!
Instant subscribe. Amazing work! Thank you!
Try out Green Dot Aviation as well! He’s a pilot and goes into super detail AND does flights that I’ve never seen anyone else do.
So much information, incredible research and to actually visit the crash site is the icing on the cake. Thank you so much Chloe
Your analysis of aviation history is fascinating, I’ve been studying aviation accidents for most of my life and you definitely bring advanced knowledge to the discussion
Was anyone else surprised to find out this flight didn't crash in the central USA where tornados are super common
Or the SE
Tornadoes are expected in several parts of the US (there are like five distinct 'tornado alleys') so both pilots and controllers are going to be considering them a threat in most any bad weather. In places where tornadoes are rare, it's only natural that people won't be planning for them, so I'm not really surprised that it happened elsewhere. Still wouldn't have been surprised if it was in the US of course, aside from the shock of not having heard about it yet. Planes and tornadoes are both mild obsessions of mine lol
Hey Chloe, I just want to say that I really appreciate you and your content. I’m transmasc, and I’ve felt afraid to be out in aviation communities because I’ve felt like it isn’t the safest of spaces. Seeing you be so authentically you, and not giving a fuck about what others think, has really helped me feel safe in the community. The support from the community here is also so amazing, you’ve made such a great place here on youtube. Please keep being you and being a badass ❤️
1. The clarity of your presentation is amazing!! It is an art to tell the story with such lucidity. Especially how you weaved in the locations and view of the two people who took the tornado pictures.
2. Your actual visits to the site of the incidents is praiseworthy.
Great job!
it’s been a long time since i’ve watched you and i haven’t been getting notifications but it’s great to see a new vid from you!!
Welcome back!
Chloe! Where have you been!! Making this excellent video obviously! Thank you, as always informative and presented with respect to those lost.
You're so welcome!
I love your channel Chloe...you are my first choice in aviation videos. Thank you for all the time and effort that goes into your top-notch content ✈✈✈✈✈💙💙💙💙
You look so pretty today! That hair color is so flattering on you. It really warms you up.
She looks fabulous on top of being smart as a whip!
Chloe's awesome! 💞
His she biological female? I’m new to the channel and i was caught off guard because I thought I was listening to a male.
@@ebubetony5097 Her name is Chloé and she has an awesome channel.
Whether she's a man, woman or Mary Poppins. We don't care!
@@truthylucy7068 I don’t don’t too. I just wasn’t expecting it.
@@ebubetony5097 👍😉
First of all, you stop apologizing 😅. You make INCREDIBLE content that's worth waiting for! Don't listen to the ninnies who can't be patient for this fabulous FREE content. I understand why you are doing it though, I just want you to realize that the perfection you put into these is why I come back video after video....not how quick you bust them out.
Secondly, some of the most sinister crashes to me are these weather related ones. For some reason, Pan Am 759 is one of the scariest. You're just taking off like a normal day and, instead of just losing an engine and crashing (ala AA191, which I live a couple miles from), your plane is just forced lower and lower and you slowly realize what's happening.
Straight horror.
Windshear and/or tornadoes aren't a slow drop, AFAIK.
Other than that, pretty much.
@@grmpEqweer I didn't say windshear or tornado. I said "weather related". The issue Pan Am 759 encountered a microburst that wouldn't allow it to ascend into the takeoff and thus slowly forced it down into a dense neighborhood.
@@Sweetthang9
Ok. I was under the impression microbursts tended to be a lot faster.
@@grmpEqweer Delta 191 (mentioned in the video), dealt with the same issue. They weren't widely understood in the 80's. But even other weather related accidents just give me the shivers: Pulkovo 612, Eastern 66, Bhoja 213, Cubana 9046, TAM 3054, etc.
@@Sweetthang9
The air can just rip the plane apart, with little indication of the threat prior.
Best weather girl has returned!
Glad to be here for Chloe’s weather girl arc
@@taylorpaul4879 *Weathergirl
Oh boy😂
@@taylorpaul4879you heavily insecure and that makes me intensely happy
@@N3therWolfStop gender baiting. When you do that, you're no better than the person you criticize.
Wow, this happened about an hour away from me, and I'd never even heard about it! Got to say, I'm pleased you're the one to highlight it - you bring such excellent explanations, such insight in the details, but also compassion for the victims.
Moerdijk is mostly known to the rest of the country for the bridges of the same name (both rail and motorway) which are the main ways of crossing the Hollands Diep - a confluence of a number of rivers that cross The Netherlands about midway through its waist.
I like that you go and visit some of the crash sites of the stories you bring us. Great job as always!
Like all your videos, this was very in-depth and yet very easy to understand. Although these kinds of videos are often incredibly sad, I do appreciate how you present the information. And the fact that you went to the actual crash site shows amazing dedication, which makes the video even better.
One other thing, even though it makes no difference to how much I got out of the video, I just had to mention that I love your hair and makeup. 😊
I must say..I've watched many air disaster channels .and yours by far is top notch ..second to none..your level of detail is F-ing perfect
Excellent job as usual! I really appreciated how you went to the actual crash site. It satisfied my morbid curiosity tendencies.
It is also refreshing to see you in person as you narrate the event. Be proud of the things you accomplish!
My Mother grew up in sight of Rotterdam Airport - my family are still there.
Apparently one of my aunts used to sunbake topless on the roof of her building, til she noticed some rather low flying planes on approach XD
😂
cause and effect, i presume
Love how you credit the music on-screen at the right time. (5:14 for example)
As a weather and aviation geek, this video is right up my alley
Adorable + knowledgeable=💞
I was witness to the inmediate aftermatch of this accident, and remember it like it happened yesterday. I have nothing to add to the information in your video, just thanks for paying some attention to this mostly forgotten air accident.
Chloe your videos are always worth waiting for and i thoroughly enjoy each one. Never worry about how long something takes. The last one take a while was a damn feature length! You blow us away, take care after your trip!
OMG. Chloe, you're the BEST 😍. This release made my day. Thank you ❤🎉
No, Thank you for watching!
Thank you so much for the time and passion you put into these mini-documentaries. I've watched many crash investigation and flight simulation channels on RUclips and yours is among the best around. I worked for a small East Coast of the US regional airline named "Altair" at the time of this crash and we flew 85 passenger versions of the F-28. The pilots hated them and I had several of them tell me they were winter conditions deathtraps. As a ramp agent, I remember the cargo holds falling apart from baggage damage and the exposed fiberglass getting into our skin causing irritation and itching. Some small leading edge damage, according to Fokker's maintenance procedures at the time, could be temporarily repaired using duct tape! We never crashed one (and the airline went bankrupt in 1982 before we did!) but I'll always remember them as a real dog of an airplane.
That's fascinating! It's kinda ridiculous that Standard Duct Tape was the recommended fix!
@@grimmgoosegoose216 It was a temporary, stopgap repair until more permanent repairs could be made but can you imagine getting on a plane and seeing that!?
@@MrCrystalcranium It might look like duct/duck tape, but normally it's a different version called "speed tape." People get them confused when observing them from a distance, and there are numerous hysterical articles and videos of people seeing speed tape and confusing it with duct tape. Edit: I've flown on at least 5 international or intercontinental flights that had speed tape on them. Yes, I'm sure some people worried.
@@grimmgoosegoose216 It isn't. Or shouldn't be. Since the 1980's and perhaps earlier, there's been something called "speed tape" that's different from duct tape. Temporary non-structural repairs. Wing leading edges being pretty common. Still in use today, BTW.
Best aviation meteorological horror video I’ve ever seen
I had to laugh at your muted surprise at the Dutch authorities placement of the plaque in memory of this disaster at the precise point of impact. As a frequent visitor to the Netherlands, this is sooo Dutch! The Dutch are a very logical people. They also have a wry sense of humor. That aside, thank you for another very informative video.
My god, what a horrid way to crash… RIP
Side note: Tornadoes don’t only get classified by air speed. They also get classified by damage. So, wind speed of 200 doesn’t make a tornado an EF5
I think we've (🇺🇸) had a tornado with a clocked wind speed of 300mph. I believe that was the El Reno tornado.
true, nws just recently changed a reported ef3 to an ef4 we had out here in omaha, nebraska earlier this year because the assessed damage was greater than originally estimated, despite the initial classification being mostly based on the high wind speeds.
this is one of the plane crashes that fascinates me most. thank you for covering it, chloe! 💖
I have a vivid memory of that other big Dutch crash in the Bijlmer near Schiphol. This must have been big news too but I completely forget. Thanks for making it
I was watching this while boarding a 737-800 to go across the US, thought I should wait till I got home not to freak out the person next to me lol
It's truly horrible that bad weather can cause fatility.
Like that one Pan Am 707 that got striked by lightning and crashed
It’s one of the major causes of crashes and probably always will be.
@@Sashazur It's a common contributing factor but rarely a primary cause. Maintenance procedures, pilot procedures, inadequate training, corporate & cockpit cultural factors, inadequate crew rest and scheduling factors, lax oversight, deliberate actions, and design & manufacturing factors (thanks Boeing) are really more likely to be primary ("proximal") causes. As Chloe says, this case was a rare exception. If weather is a factor in an accident, the final report will usually say the probable cause was the pilot's decision to continue flight into... whatever weather conditions, because pilots know (or should know) what kind of weather they're flying into and make other safe arrangements when necessary. This crew flew in close proximity to an area they had identified as a storm cell, so the report might still cite that decision as the primary cause. I haven't read this report, though I've read many others.
@@beenaplumber8379Boeing used to be good company
K now I've finished the video i can also add that it's excellent as always. Thank you for always making sense of things without being patronising. And I love that you visit so many places yourself for these too.
I don’t usually take notice of sponsored content, but your presentation was very nicely done.
Living in the US and having experience with tornado's, I have to say that your explanation of how they form and what they are is one of the best I've heard. They are no joke and if you see one move as fast as you can in the opposite direction!
PS - I love your dress!
Your videos are so awesome. No apology required. Even though I was anxiously waiting for it😊
Incredible work. Thank you so much for your video and dedication!
Chloe, you put so much work on your videos and I enjoy them so much! You are beautiful and I love seeing you on screen more ❤️ thank you for sharing your transition journey. Exposure is very important. Much love
Chloe videos are really, really good. By far the most informative, clear, and accurate. Mentour pilot is another good one. Thanks Chloe.
Chloe it is always inspiring and touching.. how you make it a personal experience and that much more connected.. by visiting some the places/sites.. at-least the ones within Europe.
And that fork in the narration and you taking us through the insights into various weather phenomenon DID actually add to this production and made the documentary that much more wholesome.
Our thoughts are with those departed and the horrific realisation which they must have had.. once the plane lost its structural integrity and took those minutes before it 🥺.
Thank you so much for your videos! You do such a great job explaining these concepts for fools like me (I have a sociology degree, we aren't trained in how planes work 😆). Love your asides to explain things further like the weather here and it's always so chilling to see the actual sites. It really adds a lot and I don't think I've ever seen another plane crash/disaster focused creator do that.
Chloe, your videos are always worth the wait!
Love the weather lady. First time I hear about this sad accident. Thank you friend for sharing this horrible accident. Condolences to the families and friends. May the never be forgotten and rip Amen 🙏. Hi from Temple Terrace Florida. 🇺🇸🇵🇷🙏.😊
Your style of presenting these disasters is top tier! Keep it up! ❤
I love how you easily explain these accidents. Very thorough. Thanks 😸
Oh Chloe, you do the best research!
Worth the wait, as always. Thank you!
Thank you Chloe! I thought I was an air disaster aficionado until I saw this. Had no idea. Appreciate you traveling to the Netherlands to bring us this video.
Quick question bro coz I was caught of guard. Is she a former dude?
Welcome back Chloe!! I hope you enjoyed your vacation 😊
Wonderfully produced presentation, Chloe! The detailed explanation of rotary storms, particularly tornadoes, was well done and a revelation to me. Thank you.
Wow i never thought someone would make a video about this diaster... i visited the crash site years ago and it was still rather obsceure Thanks Chloe for coverring it
I hope you're doing well Chloe! I hope it all turned out the way you hoped, and you're now your authentic self! Kudos Chloe!
Chloe pet!! 😉 Your hair is fiiiiiiire girl! ❤️🔥❤️🔥 I love it! With the make up you’re giving me Taylor Swift vibes today! 😍
I love the little very subtle ways in which you try to lighten your heavy themed documentaries (I’m calling them what they are!) with things like little puns, the broadcasting to ‘yourself’, the way you’ll match your outfit with your background - and today your hair haha - (which actually gives a really crisp and clear picture) and the music during those segments which is almost slightly ‘silly’ if you know what I mean….
Im sure I’ve said it before but I love everything about your work. You go into so much little detail that often we’ve never heard of even from well published disasters. You’re a master at research and the way you deliver your content is stellar. Better than a lot of stuff I’ve seen on Netflix etc! And your voice of course - I could listen to it read to me for daaaaays. In fact, that’s what first made me watch one of your breakdowns when the You Tube algorithm brought you up on my feed one day. You’ve got the most perfect voice for narration. It’s so clear and so pitch/tone perfect that it’s almost soothing! And that’s the best kind of voice you want telling these awful tragedies. I switch off if I stumble across one and then the person narrating starts getting all hyper and over dramatic as the accidents unfold…. those people seem pretty crass to me.
I also love your sensitivity, your well timed wit and the way you’re not afraid to call out BS. The fact you’ve started going to some of these sites too is just more proof of dedication to your craft. It’s such a unique aspect that definitely sets you apart from all the other channels. And the photos you hold before showing us the calm of what those places look like today hits so, so hard.
I also very much appreciate that unlike the other channels you don’t show the impact moments followed by these big explosions and your graphics don’t have the subject plane showing any damage like fire, breaking up etc. it’s super, super classy and respectful to do it the way you do so the plane flying in your videos remains fully in tact and you only show simple diagrams over the footage. That’s just so much better and appropriate in so many ways.
I don’t know how you’ve not yet been snapped up by some big production network but it’s only a matter of time. I’ve watched a lot of these channels over the years and I’ve seen a lot of these incidents before, yet I’ve learnt so much more about many of them from you. And your attention to detail and effort is truly appreciated. I mean, you only have to look at your comments section compared to other large aviation channels. Yours is the only one where literally everyone is either interacting with the content or praising your work. And the fact that so many pilots have been subscribing this year I think speaks volumes too. It’s hard to impress any audience in this day and age, let alone the experts - the very people who work in the industry and who fly these aircraft.
You’re an educator, a producer, a documentary maker, a filmography, a computer tech, a researcher and an inspiration all wrapped up into a super awesome lass who also consistently has awesome hair, eyeliner techniques I can only dream of being able to do and a wardrobe that’s full of treasures. You lady, are the mother of in total legends. 😘
This Yorkshire lass thanks you, Chloe xxx
Uh. It’s an aviation YT channel. Maybe you should just send a love letter by mail?
I don’t think people (or the algorithm) come here for hair and makeup. 🤦♂️
I was thinking the same.. thinking well maybe things are different on the other side of the pond but no..
I've studied hundreds of air disasters in meticulous detail for over 20 years and have never heard of this one. You have a great channel 👍 Keep it up and thank you
Chloe serving facts and looks as always
I have a terrible fear of tornadoes. I’m from the south having lived in Kentucky and Florida. I moved to Eastern Washington State because the weather is more predictable. I can’t imagine flying an aircraft anywhere near a tornado. They are so unpredictable though, that’s why I fear them. Thank you Chloe for the informative video.
Sorry that this is so off topic and may seem insensitive but Chloe I just wanted to tell you your hair is so pretty today ❤
Absolutely agree!
I totally agree too! I don't know what makes it seem that way, but I do like it. 🙂
Chloe is lovely, as always.😊
I said the same... wish I could carry off the colour, golden, like Chloe's videos ❤
Agreed! She looks gorgeous. Her dress is also beautiful and it kinda matches her hair!
I experienced a microburst at ground level and is kinda scary, it happened at medusa music festival 2021 and had international coverage. 2 people died as the stage was being ripped apart by the wind, the wind was like 15 degrees colder than the air that day and the visibility was nearly zero, the whole thing lasted 3 minutes, after which everything was normal, clear sky, hot air and everyone evacuating, still there's little to nothing one can do to predict it. I just can't imagine what it must have been like at plane altitude
Oh Happy Day! Chloe is back with another amazing video! 🎉❤🎉
I hadn't heard of this accident before. Excellent video! I especially liked that you took the time to go over the storm type and how a tornado forms. New subscriber from Texas 🤠👍🏻
I’m very into your videos and Carly Anna’s tornado videos so this is like a crossover episode for me! Fantastic work as usual!
i love her videos, (and her very orange, Very cute cat!)
What an amazing and well made video, thank you so much. I can't wait to see you take on the '92 El-Al crash in Amsterdam, which is has a lot of online resources available. EDIT: strike that last bit! You already did it and I seemingly fail to find it so far! Many thanks!
Btw chilling coincedence to see you published this a day before the Flight 2283 crash in Sao Paolo, which seems to be from flying into a severe weather system as well.
me, listening to this without watching: a FUCKER AIRCRAFT??? ... oh
Yes here in the netherlands we have a joke calling this aircraft brand "Motherfokkers"lol
This might come as a surprise to some folks, as we don't normally associate tornadoes with Europe, but the area from northern France, through the Benelux countries, into northern Germany and even into Denmark and Poland is the European equivalent of America's Tornado Alley. Granted they aren't as prolific or intense as the ones in the American plains or southeast, rarely getting above EF2 status.
The pilgrimage to visit was a nice touch.
Also, 'other related whirly things' is my new favourite meteorological term 😅
My dad is a pilot for American Airlines and when he worked for piedmont he flew in a tornado to land a Cho
Whow you just traveled to the Netherlands to have a peek at this site.
What a devotion !
I love your voice. Gentle on my ears.
Well done on this video as always. I like you visit some of the accident sights to show how it looks today. Showing the memorials really hits different when you see it.
I'm going to call them "whirly things" from now on 😄
Excellent excellent video with amazing technical details and top notch explanations. Thank you so much for your amazing work.
Absolute masterpiece as always Chloe.
The visuals on this channel are very good. One of the best aviation channels for sure.