What a cheap ass, lowballing, let's take advantage of ppl and the expensive as hell hardware they spent their hard earned money on. This place offered $317 for an open box, never used, still under warranty ASUS R/S 3080TI...... dirtbags!!!
Didn't turn on afmf for avatar or starfield, or any game people ACTUALLY play, much less test. You're so clearly TRYING to make the 4080 relevant. Make it more obvious you actually care to see the nvidia card on top. Literally only used AFMF in Alan wake and cyberpunk, so were only gonna use afmf in the games the nvidia cards are favored in so you don't tell people the real deal? If anyone even plays these games I'd be shocked but yaknow. Avatar included. That said if you pick normal titles people ACTUALLY play that already beat the 4080 at a decent fps in most cases the 7900XTX is as fast if not faster than a 4090 in due to afmf now I don't get the absolute lack of talking about this or intentional negligence towards it from people. Nvidia paying yall? Or you scared you won't get sent any more cards or something? Didnt turn on AFMF in the games people do actually play like COD and stuff where the framegen lag would b 5ms and souble the performance of the 4080 after you spent the first half of the video attempting to make it look better. F***, man. Good job using all of the nvidia card and half of the xtx really appreciate the realistic insight to the full potential. You don't think a 95%performance boost is a good enough step up when nvidia dropped the same card at your own admission? Oh yeah, you forgot to use that setting alongside RT. How funny. The 4080 is irrelevant and you best hope you not get pregnant d**kriding them that hard saying you'd still buy a 4080 over the xtx after that
Just bought a 7900xt for 770 euro. 4070ti super is 900+ here, 4080 super 1100+. No way im going to give ngreedia my money, learned that buying the 30xx series.
How the hell you pay $700 plus dollars for a card you can’t fully utilize you literally have to turn shit off in order to get a decent game play.. raytracing ain’t goin no where & Amd cards struggle cards struggle big time which means you are limiting yourself & now it’s just not the features and raytracing there getting beat at now it’s also raster since these super cards release which now makes Amd a terrible value it doesn’t win in anytime lol
Yes, it was called the 3080. So only last generation. But that was during mining boom when nobody could buy video cards at MSRP. Unfortunately Nvida and AMD are selling their cards today at the prices they would go for during the mining craze and that's already over.
Here on the Netherlands the 7900 XTX is available for 929 euro and the 4080 super for 1119 euro. Almost 200 euro difference making the AMD card pretty attractive
Summarizing: - 4080 Super: I grew up 2 inches of raw performance! Yeah!: 8====D - 7900 XTXhamster J.Sins: Did someone say something? I can't see behind my BIGGER LONGevity: 8======================D
In central europe the 4080S is just 5.5% more expensive(~70$) than the 7900XTX. Cheapest AIB is the Inno3D GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER X3 for 1272$ with taxes. What's up with Australia and UK people from there always complaining about insane NV prices.
@@Grstrangler The Inno3D 4080S is $1950AUD and the Hellhound 7900XTX is $1549, that's $400 cheaper but I would never buy an Inno3D card because it doesn't match my build and because its an Inno3D card. $400 difference that's why people complain.
Why? You don't have to turn everything to the max you know? If you use reasonable settings and leave off ray tracing most cards can run it fine. Flexibility in game engines is great, I love games that are able to run on affordable hardware yet stress out the high end. And let's be honest in two years/graphics card generations we will be running the game at 144 FPS at max settings.
1200 euro for a graphic card should NOT be giving you such low fps honestly but since people will keep buying for some reasons anyway we will never get lower prices ever. Its the Apple syndrom at that point if someone can get away with selling 1k+ things with little upgrade (nvidia) why woulndt the others do it as well @@dannonyogurt98
Funny thing is, that in Poland RTX 4080 Super is actually cheaper than RTX 4080. Prices are (from cheapest to most expensive): - RTX 4080 - 1406$ - 1657$ (normal AiO) and 1730$ (water AiO) - RTX 4080 Super - 1220$ - 1394$ The problem would be volume and how popular new cards would be. To get comparison prices of RX 7900 XTX are: - 1143$ for ASRock Phantom OC - 1183$ for PowerColor Hellhound Spectral White - 1381$ for Sapphire Nitro+ OC I'm interested how would those change in a month. Now I don't thing anyone would go and buy RTX 4080. Price is so much different between RX 7900 XTX and with conversion to PLN it is even higher (around 850 PLN between cheapest models). RTX 4080 Super is better, but I still think those cards cost too much and EU tax is killing us even more. I'm waiting for new generation, because prices are too big and I want a little lower power consumption with performance around RX 7900 XT/RTX 4070 Ti Super.
yeah, the cost is the same here in Norway, the EU tax is really a setback. ive just ordered a new pc for myself and i want to go team green but the 200 usd premium while wanting to keep the cost down, im leaning towards amd but then theres the potensial driver instability that can come with amd.. i did end up ordering a ASRock Phantom OC but i am left with a thought if ive made the right choice or not. hopefully ill be happy with it once it arrives.
@@Gamokmk1 If you get one without QC issues you will be happy. It got hefty Power limit and it will do far higher clocks. I tried to lock my XFX M310 to MBA card in avatar and damn clocks tanks like crazy :) in times it is like 500 MHz slower and I don't even use full PL of 466W.
@@Gamokmk1 Kjøpte 7900XTX sapphire, har ikke hatt noen problemer med drivere, eneste jeg har opplevd er at det kom ut en driver-update som gjorde frame generation bedre. Fordelen med AMD her er at de har masse forbedringspotensiale på driveren og mye de kan tweake, har har ikke nvidia like mye å spille på - og etterhvert som AMD blir mer brukt, så vil flere spill begynne å legge til støtte for FSR 3 f.ex så du får tilsvarende DLSS performance om ikke bedre. Bare se på performance på 7900XTX når det først kom ut, og hvor mye det her forbedret seg over tid med updates, drivere og AMD Adrenalin. Og det er alltid en bonus at du velger å støtte AMD ovenfor NVGREEDIA (Bare se på release prisene til 4080/4090... lmao)
@@explorerowPrøver selvfølgelig å støtte team rød så godt jeg kan, at nvidia har kjørt monopol og tviholdt på technologien på den måten de har, og de har vært ganske stygg på visse ting, har ikke akkurat ledet til god utvikling. blant annet PhysX oppkjøpet nvidia hadde tilbake i 2010 ca? det var jo noe de tviholdte på. Det skulle jo egentlig være ett eget kort for physics behandling som de da har klart å implimentere inn i sine egne kort. AMD har gjort en god jobb med å utvikle sitt eget men de hadde jo en del år AMD ikke produserte noe i det heletatt pga omstruktureringen de gikk gjennom. men ja, prøver å støtte amd så godt jeg kan for å støtte videre utvikling, for det er gjennom AMD som kommer til å pushe ballen videre. Men jeg må si at jeg har noe dårlige oppleveler med QC også som gjør at jeg gjerne har ett bedre syn på nvidia når det kommer til kvalitet. Men vi får se, jeg får kortet mitt i morgen så blir gøyt å prøve!
I can't believe I'm going to say this Rtx 4080 super is the perfect graphics card right now 999$ and you can play at 1440p with ray tracing at any heavy game Or 4k native but without ray tracing or 4k with ray tracing but with dlss balance ( or fg if you want to use it) 7900xtx really lose it in ray tracing and in power consumption Even on performance without ray tracing because it's only 5% who care Dlss is better than fsr so rtx 4080 s is the wise choice
Thank you so much for all your reviews! I'm building my first PC and I've been following your channel for a few months now. Picked up my 4080s this morning and I can't wait for it to arrive!!
Appreciate the work you've done here, this made my decision to go with a 4080S over the XTX pretty easy (they're priced right on top of eachother in Canada). 4080S Gigabyte Gaming OC arrived yesterday and it didn't take very long to realize it's simply a better GPU. Agree 100% the XTX needs to exist at least 200USD cheaper as otherwise the savings are unlikely to feel worth it when you're already paying 1K USD. Didn't realize how much I appreciated the nvidia software either - love having broadcast back for proper noise cancellation.
I upgraded to a 7900xtx from a Nvidia GTX 1080. It was a legendary card for me and lasted from 2017 to 2024. Went with the xtx to ensure I get the same longevity out of an expensive gpu
Even then still terrible price..with super only bein a 999.99 with better overall performance along with the extras..that will only make it $100 difference. needs to be $699
My only concern as someone who likes to get many years (I upgraded to a 7900 XTX from a 390X) out of my GPU and who tends to play AAA titles months to years after the fact is ultimately the VRAM differences. 16GB vs 24GB ... will it matter 6-8 years down the road?
I'm guessing current consoles have about 14gb or so of usable unified VRAM (16 minus about 2 for OS) But they 'Target' 4k as a base now so if u don't mind lowering your res in the future you might not need so much. But might also help if we see unoptmized/broken titles. 8 years from now we'll be half way through next gen and might see a PS6 Pro. I expect next gen to have 24-36GB VRAM, as they at least always double, but 24 is aloooot. So I would guess and say 24GB is definitely the minimum if you want to be set for 6-8 years. Also depends on how you feel about the more niche things regarding their pros and cons AMD: Save a bit of money Wayyyy More VRAM Better software with adrenaline People claim it ages better Might release future features NVIDIA releases with better support for old cards NVIDIA: Runs cooler Better software support for more niche titles/software Better at Ai workloads Better at raytracing Might come out with a new feature/technology that AMD will have to wait to recreate (Ex: New feature only available on Rtx 5000 and 4000 gen cards) That's how I'm trying to decide.
Nah the guy on the video has a bad take. You are right. Vram buffer is the most important thing if you wanna maintain longevity of the gpu. In 3 years from now, 16gb is gonna be not enough. 7900xtx would be. I'm still deciding on which one to buy, but the 7900xtx is hard to ignore at such a low price with so much power. Nvidia has better software technology but at the end of the day, we can update software but not the hardware like we like to
It reminds me when everyone was saying 4GB is enough VRAM for anyone. Anyone who fell for that and didn't get the 8GB versions found their card bottlenecking within a few short years.
@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDisI don't see Nvidia or even AMD going back to pre-Covid inflation prices ever again. So you'd probably be looking at 70 series in the future.
I use both GPU brands (RTX4080 and RX7900XTX) but with DLSS 3.5 Nvidia GPU produce better images imho. The main issue is not the brand of the GPU, the main issue is that devs are more used to nvidia tech than rdna technology. In most games the RX 7900XT will provide more fps than the RTX, but in simulations like MSFS and X-Plane 12, the RTX is way faster because of the inner code.
If you live in upside down land you're pretty much guaranteed to get epically screwed on anything PC or gaming related. Stop electing tax happy liberals.
No it doesn't, the 7900XTX destroys the 4080 Super on Raster, its 24GB Vram and still you can get it at a lower price of $900 to $950. You people are a bunch of 🤡🤡, there is a reason EVGA Stopped making ngreedia gpus, Hold the L 🤡🤡
I am very surprised that AMD didn't drop the price on the XTX for this launch. Maybe they are betting on the 4080 super selling out very quickly. But if not, NVIDIA seems to offer the better deal at this price point. Never thought I would say that.
XTX sales are very strong and so they don't feel they need to do anything. Most likely AMD is cutting prices to AIBs behind the scenes so that prices will better stay closer to $900 than $1000. That's really all they need to do for that SKU. XTX at $900ish and XT at $750ish will sell fine. As for the 4080 Super, it's not like everyone is going to line up to pay $200-300 extra for the same performance with 50% less VRAM in 2024. And as far as 16 GB being "enough," CP2077 with the 4K texture packs already takes up 24 GB VRAM *now*. Not 5 years from now. There are at least 5 games I've played over the last year that take 16 GB with all the bells and whistles enabled which I hope you would be using on a card at this price point. Again, that is *now*, not 2, 3, 4 years from now. If you're going to be trading off your purchase in a couple of years, go for your life. But if you want your graphics card to be an investment, the XTX is a no-brainer.
@@LukewarmEnthusiast at $900 I can see the XTX being competitive, but you can make an argument that the ray tracing performance is also a good future investment. Personally, I'm with you and I got a 7900 Xt. I'm just saying that it's not a no-brainer win for AMD anymore like it used to be
@@bournechupacabra My XTX has done fine for the RT games I play. Played Ratchet and Clank just fine and playing elden ring 4K max at a solid 60FPS(framerate limit for elden ring). Haven't had a want to play CP2077 tech demo so all good there. The XTX keeps up with the 30 series in ray-tracing and even the 4070ti and below. Overall just run RT at lower res or adjust the settings like PC players have done for decades. Majority of games still have no ray tracing. Especially if you play anything online or play older/indie games.
From playing on both 21:9 and 16:9 over the past years, UW results usually just sit smack in between the different 16:9 resolutions. FOV affects things a little dependind on how aggressively the engine is culling. Especially RT scales pretty linear with render resolution pixel count until you hit VRAM limits.
I feel bad for ngreedia meat riders spending 200 dollars more to buy the same product with less vram and RT which is like only in 2 games that's really useful. If they are the same price, by all means, but only in USA that's the case.
@@deheimer Same product? Don't be ridiculous. In Europe the price difference is $100. The more stable drivers alone would be worth the extra cost. You get superior upscaling, working frame generation and as an icing on the cake 50% more ray tracing performance. Not to mention the difference in compute performance when doing anything related to AI content creation. No, it's not the same product.
its also what ive said, that any negative action they made impacted everyone involved, ideally my works should be your togo entertainment after long hard work, these weirdness' wont help
@@kzxkzxkzx (comment sponsored by Nvidia) You get a bunch of useless crap at minimum 10 percent higher cost for the same general performance. Only idiots think that's worth
I don't care how cheap it is, I dont want half ass RayTRacing, FrameGen and DLSS copy cat from AMD,Got my self a MSi Expert 4080Super and Supreme X 4080super and Jawa want to pay me $255 for my Rog Strix 3080 haha, I rather it sit in the closer and collect dust haha
The 1% lows alone makes this the easiest choice ever, 4080 super all the way, not even a match with those 1% lows stuttering, also considering every other nvidia advantage with RT perfomances and far superior upscaller and frame generation. 7900xtx wont compete with 4080 super if they dont drop the prices, and even if they drop the price by 100 still doest not justify saving 100 dolars for all the subpar features above, and especialy those 1%'s.
They had okey 1% low but they fcked up something and it takes ages for them to fix something. God only knows what the f are they doing and why it takes so long. Im using amd but man, they need to step up and be serious, they have enough money to hire people for drivers
I think hes useing a bad bin 7900 xtx and i god bin 4080 cause i have 7900 xtx Sapphire pulse matched with 14600k and 4600 ddr 4 ram im consistently beating his 7900 xtx scores by 15% +at 4k and 1440p
Basically, if you hate RT and will never use it on principal, don't get the brand that puts focus on it. If you do want to use RT, go with the brand that cares about it.
The brand that "cares about it" cares so they can justify putting tensor cores in their gpu. Raytracing is a gimmick for the next 10 years, as Nvidia admits in their presentations. AMD wastes as little silicon on it as possible.
Ray Tracing will be standard in games in the future. Even AMD said they want it in games on the consoles. Some games already have it and AMD gpus get spanked.
@@GameCookerUSRocks Raytracing will be in games in the future yes. What you fail to understand, because you drank the koolaid, is a 7060 and 10700xt will do better raytracing than a 4090 does today for half the price. We are years from raytracing being beyong a gimmick feature to justify $2000 cards.
@@JohnSmith-ro8hk Ray tracing cards are not $2,000. A 4060 can do RT. That's $300. My 2070 can do RT at 1080p. Lol. That's old now. And Ray tracing is not a gimmick. It's better to do than baked in shadows if you want your game to look any good. And all the features in the RTX GPUs are useful and very good. Things that making the gaming experience better.
@@GameCookerUSRocks You can get a vastly superior image quality and framerate on low end hardware if you never touch rt gimmick. You are either braindead or you work for nvidia.
As JayzTwoCents mentioned in his video he released today, he thinks that the AIB's might put their 4080 Super cards out at $1200 if they do like they did with the 4080 non-super where they were putting them out for like $1500.... roughly $300 above MSRP. The 4080 Super founder's edition cards are pretty much gone, they didn't make many of them. So the 7900XTX might be the way to go anyway because of the AIB prices if you're picking between the two. Maybe it won't be $300 over but we'll have to see what the AIB's do.
@@1984Captive Yeah, all this launch really does a good job of is make people who bought the 4080 non-super feel like fools. The super will be cheaper overall than the original 4080 for basically the same card, but not down to the price of a 7900XTX unless you can get an elusive FE. There's no way anyone with a 4080 non-super should be buying the super either. Now if people didn't have a 40 series card, and wanted a super, and were lucky enough to get one of the relatively few FE 4080 super cards, not bad. $200 cheaper than the old 4080 MSRP and $500 cheaper than most 4080 AIB models. But the launch is only good for a small niche of people.
Question: I'm not from the US but my uncle currently traveling there and I asked him to bring me an 7900xtx when he comes back (on February 20)... Do you guys think that the 7900xtx price could significantly drop in just less than 20 days or nah? I ask because I'm trying to pick the right time to buy it.
if the prices are equal it's a no-brainer for the 4080S. equal raster performance, superior RT performance, access to superior upscaling and frame gen, and lower power draw (leading to lower temps).
they're absolutely not the same in rasterization. My rig vs my girlfriends rig, all things identical aside from our cards and my 7900xtx is much better. Something is off about this comparison, atleast in raster testing.
There are no word that can describe how much I hate the current generation of cards. I didn't pay a shitton of money for a 4090 so that I can play Cyberpunk at 20 fps on native 4k with rt.
It hits me wrong that GPUs north of $600 require upscaling for playable frame rates (with RT enabled) and the less powerful GPUs that could really benefit from upscaling are not powerful enough to use it well. I went from an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3, a 4K 120hz 55" TV and playing GW2 (no RT possible) to a 7900XTX HellHound. All the eye candy and an avg of 30 FPS more. Not amazing uplift, but at the time, at $900, a minimum of $300 cheaper than the 4080. My 1080Ti had no RT capability so I didn't notice the lack of RT (or care to be honest) with the 7900XTX. With the new name and $200 price cut, the 7900XTX needs to be $100-125 cheaper as well. Sorry, but Nvidia does have more mind share. Not better performance in many cases and certainly not better prices. AMD has to compete with facts as well as perception and perception is way tougher to overcome. Political rant: Lord, Trump is still not in jail for one example of perception. I'm 70, Watergate and 'Nam are current events and the parallels between two presidents attempting to keep power are scary.
Yeah, 150-200€ is kinda the threshold where it's a close call based on your preferences. Here's hoping that even if the gap remains the same, both cards are simply cheaper.
@@vladimirdosen6677wtf you are talking about 😂 my xtx does not even draw 300w during gaming (average). In fact with some undervolting and downclocking it eats 200-250w during gaming with only minor performance impact
i really wanted to upgrade to a 7900xtx but basically 1k dollars was just to much, i like ray tracing but the 4080 was no go at 1200+. with the extra features and ray trace performance i think i could talk my self in to a 4080super. at only 50 less theres no way i get a xtx. if they did what you suggest and hit 800 id prob have bought a xtx already. theres where amd missed a huge oppertunity, they should have dropped the price ahead of the launch.
Yup I was scanning XTX prices as well. There's no way I'm buying an XTX for 950 when the Super was coming out for 999. If the XTX was 800 I'd be an AMD XTX enjoyer today instead of a 4080 Super enjoyer. Ordered my card from Best Buy.
I'm so sick of Ray tracing being the end all be all of these GPUs. First off DLSS and FSR both have problems that I can't stand because they both utilize some form of TAA that modern games seem to have adopted/preferred over other forms of AA, that has ultimately made games look incredibly blurry. If you're a 4k gamer TAA essentially ruins the crisp experience, and at times removes detail in games. Raster is still king in my opinion, and if you have the option to disable RT please do it, I guarantee your experience will be 10x better without ray tracing, because the performance hit is far too big for the visual improvement that you're getting. Secondly frame generation may look good on paper because the FPS graph says it's higher, but in the real world it doesn't feel or look better as an actual use case. I'd rather play at 60FPS without frame generation, because the latency is simply better than playing at 100FPS with frame generation on, especially in first person shooter scenarios. Thirdly, it took Nvidia a year to respond to the 7900 XTX, and the normal non-Super 4080 is still sitting around $1200, meaning they'll just sit on shelves collecting dust, essentially making Nvidia's board partners lose a lot of money in the process. Seems time and again Nvidia is constantly showing why EVGA made their decision to cut their partnership. Lastly, it really looks like the 7900 XTX is coming down in price, I'm seeing open box deals for the XTX on Newegg for $849 as of 2/5/24, I'm done buying into Nvidia's BS.
$50 is pretty optimistic. New 4080 Super is at least $200 higher. Raytracing is the only advantage and doesn't make enough visual differences to make it worthwhile, especially since few games support it.
The 7900 XTX was widely available under $900 in July, so AMD could definitely get away with lowering their prices to $850, since you would think that as time goes on, it will get cheaper to produce. The XTX was also available for $800 as a flash sale on Amazon 2 or 3 weeks ago.
@@Greenalex89 No they were not. The flash sale was sold and shipped by Amazon, and the ones available under $900 were available at Newegg and was shipped by Newegg. There's been plenty of scam listings, but those I mentioned were not.
Everyone really needs to be less afraid to try open box deals if you're seriously considering graphics cards within this price range. Especially if you're remotely concerned about your budget. I bought my 7900xtx for $850 at microcenter in July (my 2080 died, thanks gigabyte!) and my gpu is just fine. Even have a 5 year warranty on it as if it was a new product. Definitely ask!!!
@@trentpa9226 Oh ya, I own a 7950x3d and still running an old RTX2080super. Waiting to upgrade the gpu. I asked a fair question, do first person shoot type of game required raytracing? It's a valid question. Or youtuber are too cool to provide feedback?
I balled out for RGB and got the Strix 4080S for $1250 but compared to $1500-$1800 for the non super variant. I know I over paid but it’s going to look nice in my H6Flow
Fire bro!!!! I got the 4080 non super rog strix in white got it for 1200s. Listing came up with 4 available and I jumped. Looks amazing, runs amazing. Zero regrets!! Enjoy!!
I just ordered a 4080 super, I play on a 4k screen and want to use 4k, and I care a lot about RT performance, and so far DLSS is better than FSR (but it's getting closer and closer, i wonder if fsr might even surpass it at some point). But I should say that I was already intending to buy a 4080 even before I heard of the new super series going to be released despite the insane prices... well now i get one for a bit better price, I was also considering the 4070 Ti Super but after it was released it wasn't as much better than the 4070 Ti as I had hoped and also where I live the prices are the same and even price overlap so there are a lot of fancy 4070 Ti and 4070 TI Super (Asus strix and such) that cost about the same as a mid range 4080 super... and some fairly mid range and common 4070 TI Super (asus TUF) were selling for just $150 less than the 4080 super I ordered.
Dude, if u use upscaling at 4k, ur actually playing at 2k. The 4080 cant handle its own features without upscaling. Meaning: u are paying a 4k premium price for a 1440p card.
@@Greenalex89why so black and white? depends on what game and what graphics settings and what fps i feel is acceptable... like in cyberpunk2077, no you can't run it on full rt (not to even mention pathtracing) in 4k native with playable framerates. I probably won't use pathtracing much but even if i use psycho or ultra rt lighting and all RT functions on, i'd need to run it at a lower scale, usually i fiddle with this on my own via dlss tweak to set something good for each game, some games are fine at dlaa (native res going through the dlss engine), but you can set what ever internal resolutions you want so you don't have to play at "quality" which is 1440p from 4k as it is x0.66667... (1/1.5) of native, balanced is x0.5882353... (it's 1/1.7), but i can choose something in between like 0.625 (1/1.6), a small number of games have "ultra quality" which is x0.76923.. (1/1.3), but maybe I want to play at x0.75 which seemds more round (1/1.33333...) or x0.8 (1/1.25), I can even run DLAA horizontally and dlss vertically setting the internal resolution manually to 2880x2160 (the native is 3840x2160 on standard 4k), this works great in many games and even completely got rid of unsightly dlss ghosting in rdr2 when i played it on my 2070 Super (which is what i had until an hour ago when i got and installed my 4080 super).Sure in many games I will play it in native of course in such a powerful card, but DLSS is still a necessity for many very demanding games when on 4k. (though interestingly the last of us pc edition ran really well on my 2070 Super in native 4k, but i had to lower some settings to not go exceed the available vram.
I'm already running out of VRAM at 1440p with my RX 6800 / 16GB. Throw in ray-tracing and the same amount of VRAM though for twice the price? Nvidia can keep their overpriced lower-mid-range cards.
For AFMF, do you enable HYPR-RX with it? Radeon Boost withing HYPR-RX is meant to be paired with AFMF to counter AFMF dynamically disabling it'self during fast motion by enabling Boost (Dynamic Resolution) only where there's camera movement. Also, Moore's Law Is Dead would be happy to have you on his Broken Silicon Podcast! And as a view for both of you, I and many others would love to see you on there if you aren't too busy!
It might, but tbh I would rather just use a controller with AFMF bcuz Radeon Boost is disgusting and in some other games like DOTA (for example, but basically top down view games) AFMF doesn't turn off.
At that price point you are supposed to be getting all the bells and whistles. Getting DLSS and better RT performance is worth the 50$. Take the L AMD and lower the price. (I say that as someone that has had AMD in every gen except RDNA 3, for some reason you have to disclose that nowadays to criticize a product before anyone says anything).
Bought an open box 7900 xtx for 942 euros. Great card powerful as hell. Decent ray tracing (I don't play Cyberpunk). But it consumed 450 watts. So I return it. I bought an open box 4080 for 929 euros. It does the same job while pulling 120 watts less.
@@Greenalex89Bit hash mate! He’s showing he has the ability to resist the way of the AMD fanboy fraternity and think for himself. It’s not like AMD would ever dare compare their cards to the actual competing card form another company let alone tell you it’s sucks over 100w more. All gpu’s look almost identical, especially aib cards. You wouldn’t know if a gigabyte card was AMD or nvidia unless it said Radeon or GeForce on it. Even an Amish person could tell a Ferrari from a fiat lol
It's still meh all around, but AMD _HAD_ to know the 4080 super was going to make the XTX look bad because they already knew exactly what the 4080 was. When AMD is winning they're _barely_ winning, but when Nvidia is winning they're absolutely decimating the XTX. You can get away with that when you're $200 cheaper but looks terrible when you're around the same price. AMD could have proactively dropped it's price to steal some of Nvidia's thunder, but in typical AMD fashion you can always count on them to wait until _after_ they look foolish before they react. 🤦 Cmon AMD.
@@lifemocker85 It's brainless comments like this that make you AMD fanboys insufferable. What part of "When AMD is winning they're barely winning, but when Nvidia is winning they're absolutely decimating the XTX." did you not understand? Did you even watch the video? There's never a time AMD is far enough ahead to where you would really notice. There's plenty of times Nvidia is fucking _destroying_ them. And that's NOT just in RT. Often when AMD has slight leads in average fps in non-rt games, Nvidia is still killing them in 1% lows, and that matters FAR more than averages to feel like smooth gameplay. And keep in mind one of those rt games is an AMD sponsored title they're getting schooled in. Now account for AMD's cheaper memory (16gb of gddr6x costs more than 24gb of gddr6), cheaper die, inferior upscaling, inferior FG, and terrible VR, you realize it's not Nvidia being greedy. AMD has notably fatter margins on the XTX than the 4080 super. Nvidia is still overpriced, yes, but the XTX is insultingly overpriced. And if you don't think AMD is greedy, just take a look at Threadripper pricing to see what AMD does the second they're ahead. If they released the 4090 and not Nvidia I guarantee it would have had a $2000 MSRP. RDNA3 is a flop. They didn't perform anywhere near where they were supposed to but AMD still charged like they did. There's should NEVER be a time when Nvidia's $550 4070 beats a $950 xtx, but it does in some scenarios, and sometimes even _LAST_ gen cards. That's unacceptable on a thousand dollar flagship, and looks like Arc launch drivers when AMD falls flat on their face. The only thing that makes it better is Nvidia is even more overpriced, but at least with Nvidia there's no compromises. THAT'S why Radeon will never outsell RTX. Most people aren't mouth breathing fanboys. Even Nvidia users hate Nvidia. But once you hold your nose and pay the Nvidia tax you simply have a superior experience for the next several years, while you have to put up with worse and worse performance with AMD as more and more games utilize RT. That's not fine wine, that's rotten grape juice. The XTX shouldn't be a penny over $800.
Thanks for the test, it clarified a lot for me. Although I would often choose AMD, in this case it is definitely better to take the 4080 super than the 7900xtx
I just orderd a 4080 super, it was a lot lower in price than the 4080's listed locally, $300 lower, the pricing for the 4080's did not change which in my local currency equivalent was $1600 which is a lot higher price compared to those availabel internationally. I was hoping to stop being soo addicted to watching benchmark videos but still seem to gradually watch these to confirm whether purchasing decision was accurate. Considering in my own ranking system the 4080 is second to the first place card in the world 4090 and competing between 20-50fps for 4k resolution gaming with ray tracing and upscaling. I was primarily an old school gamer playing mostly retro videogame console backlog. It took me months trying to figure out the current pc jargon of what is bare minimum admirable. I initially got a second hand 3060 and at 1080p runs brilliantly, although the monitors in my setup are mostly 4k for tv and productivity, only 1 being a 24inch 1920x1080 75hz monitor. The landscape to traverse in todays pc gaming world with FSR/DLSS/Frame generation/Upscaling/Native/Ray Tracing/Path Tracing... and then comparing charts among charts is quite arduos. I was hoping to curb this journey by getting imo the second best gpu card in the world but somehow I have continued to watch more benchmark videos... Great video by the way! I think it's mainly to confirm purchasing decision...
You will never stop. Then the new cards will launch in 10 months and Nvidia will advertise how 'sh*t' your card performs compared to its successor, it will have a bunch of new software features that you will be told are unavailable to your model because of 'hardware limitations '. And you will watch all the Hardware Unboxed videos on the 50 series cards, looking down the list of models to see yours struggling to stay in the top 35% of the chart and you will feel bad. It will begin to eat at you, and so you will start watching more benchmarking videos of the new GPUs. Eventually you will convince yourself that it will be worthwhile to upgrade. This is the way 😆
@@TheSwayzeTrain I have a 4080s but I still like watching the economics of price to performance and feature set comparisons as well as future tech that will be more promising.
If you have a 4080 with a decent PCB then open Afterburner, set VRAM to +1300 and Core +150, hit apply and there you go, same or better performance than a 4080 Super. Of course you can also tweak a 4080 Super but the point still stands.
The points doesn't stand cause u can do the same with the 4080 super, ergo, they will never be the same. Why u even would to buy a 4080 super having a 4080 KEK.
It is definitely worth it even before looking at the benchmarks. Wanna know why? No influencer will tell y'all. Because WoW on DX12 is literally unplayable for MULTIPLE MONTHS and AMD has fixed absolutely NOTHING. They have communicated nothing as well, despite tons of people constantly reporting their driver timeouts. No ETA on the fix, no workarounds, nothing. Just switch to DX11 and hopefully you won't crash as much. THREE MONTHS now I've spent way too many hours troubleshooting, fresh installing, DDUing, whatever you can think about. No. For just $50 bucks, just go with NVIDIA. And never trust reviewers, none of them ever mentioned that there's a chance the games you play will never get fixed. 7 good years with my 1060 6GB I never had any issues.
@@leovanlierop4580 Not in this Video here. Maybe when i play it by myself i can see a difference. But actually the difference is too small for me when i have to compare it with the massive performance-loss.
@@nFinity1985alan wake 2 makes use of path tracing, it is very noticeable without it. I have a 7900 xtx and play this game with fsr2 performance to get path tracing with playable fps and it is worth it
@@justinwalker5237 stop crying, what crashes? and "all the other issues", as if nvidia doesn't have any issue.. delusional fanboy.. rt and dlss is overrated, and nvidia experience is some outdated trash.
I bought an RTX 4080 Super (MSI Gaming X Slim) for £950 2 weeks ago. Paired with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D at 1440p. No complaints at all. It's incredible, in fact! The RX 7900 XTX in the UK is roughly the same price, excluding any online store deals/used market, so I don't regret it at all. Plus, the benefits of DLSS, better RT and frame-gen made it far more attractive for me.
If MSRP is something to go by, 7900XTX is pointless. No one should buy it. The VRAM difference is also irrelevant because if the GPU is simply slow, no amount of VRAM can save you. It's apparent with 4070Ti Super.
I feel that the 4080s is a safer bet. The 7900xtx doesn't do upscaling as well or ray tracing. It dies on path tracing. I think it is slightly faster in raster and maybe software RT like luman, but it doesn't dominate the 4080s. I also love Alan Wake 2 and other games in the remedy connected universe. I think you should add in ratchet and klank or forespoken just so you have a direct storage game. From what I can tell the 4070tis is a little better bang for the buck than the 4080s.
No GPU is safe buy ATM , future games are all UE 5 and its hardware requirements are different , best to wait for next gen guys. I'm holding on to rx6800 for now ,
Here in Hungary i've bought my 7900xtx for ~1000 euro (half year ago) and it keeps the price in the same range actually,. You can buy the basic 4080 (non super, non ti, non max, non pro, mega, giga ect.) for ~1300-1500 euro now and than. I think it's no brainier what you'll choose in price/performance ratio if the rt is not a necessary factor for you in gaming.
1 eve nyustolom az xtx kartyam. Jol futnak a jatekok. Bar neha azert rt-t is tolok, ami meg eleg istenesen megy rajta. Kar hogy az fsr3 alkalmazasa a jatekokban lassan terjed. Azzal lehet jol futna a path tracinges Alan Wake 2 is
@@laszlodajka5946 nekem sincs panaszom az rt-re játékokban, bár nyilván nem hozza az nvidia szintjét, de ahol megüt stabilan 60fps-t rt-vel is a játék ott nálam is megy, már ha van opció kapcsolgatni...én elégedett vagyok vele, meg nem is rossz áron szereztem :D
Better off running a Native 1440p Monitor w/ RTX 4080S and even RTX 4090 vs. 4K with upscaling and or "frame gen". Native 1440p allows a high refresh rate experience without visual artifacts and or the increased input lag via "frame gen". Native 1440p with max settings looks amazing on your standard 27-34" inch desktop monitor so seeing people talk as if 1440p is beneath them is quite comical as they are only hurting themselves. This coming from someone who owns both a LG 4K OLED 120hz VRR display and ViewSonic 1440p IPS 240hz G SYNC display. Never have I thought 4K was "optimal" vs. 1440p gaming on my RTX 4090 / R7 7800X3D / 2X 16GB 6200 CL 26 36 32 44 (56.8ns) RIG.
$999 4080 Super FE is a banger. Far better RT, better upscaler, and Nvidia using 100w less power in some of those games. Nvidia is the clear winner here.
in some countries using 100W less power might be actually reasonable point. 4080s is extremely energy-efficient compared to xtx, while also being better cooled
@@lifemocker85 ehem. my 4090 sits at 350W just fine. it is not exclusively amd who can be undervolted and power-limited. I guess, 4080s can work at 210W level without any problems too
You're comparing 2 GPUs that are both $1000, whether one costs 900/950/1100 doesn't matter, what matters if they are ALL expensive and only one of them can do everything, that's the difference.
XTX is leading in some games, because it also draws 15-25% more power. Right now XTX is not good value. at 899$ will be far more competitive, because you get a tiny bit more raster performance (in some games) and more VRAM, but the feature set is lacking.
amd is very afraid go any lower in price due to expensive vram will cause amd market shares to drop and loss $40 billion, no wonder amd giving up and leaving highend to nvidia...the vram is problematic to maintain fair pricing when amd overesitmated and over shoot on both foot ...24gb and price , it complicated a whole lot for amd when difference in performance is only 5% between 16gb 4080 vs 24gb 7900xtx...nvidia is closing gap much closer than before , even 4080 super embarrassed amd halo product with better lows fps,. Its not cheap to do 384bit 24gb vram...when amd could done 256bit 16gb would been cheaper for amd users
In my country the cheapest XTX is $910 right now, while the cheapest 4080S is $1,168. I already have a nice 7900 GRE in my system so not buying any GPU's anytime soon, but in the hipotetic I had that kind of money to spend I was really thinking for this high end of a GPU I better go with Nvidia. After seeing the size of the price gap the 7900XTX is too good to pass up and it's not even a competition for me.
Thank you so much, this was exactly the comparison I wanted to see. Especially since you're so thorough in measurement and observant to detail in the results. This video really helps clarify my buying decision. Thanks again.
Which driver was being used with the amd card? Alan wake 2 received a quite noticeable performance bump with the 23.11.1 driver and I think also a slight bump with the 24.1.1.
Basically if you want to use raytracing, dlss, or streaming (nvidia encoding) buy a 4080, if you only care bout fps and your games dont require ai upscaling or raytracing then buy a 7900xtx
the 4080S is a lot better value but that's mostly because the 7900 XTX is ridiculously overpriced! the XTX should cost $800 max and the 4080S $900-$950...
I have to agree with your analysis. That's why I went and bought the 4080 Super today. A $50 discount is not enough for me to pick the AMD 7900 XTX. If the AMD GPU cost between $800-850 I probably would have gone for that instead but it wasn't. AMD just isn't doing enough to compete and they KNEW the 4080 Super was dropping today. So what are they doing in the market?
For me in America, there is that same $50 price difference. It's a no-brainer for me to pay the additional $50 for access to DLSS 3 and much better raytracing performance, even if I don't usually use raytracing. I'm spending about $2000 to upgrade my system fully, and that $50 is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Your reviews are the absolute best. I always love your reasoning and conclusions, and how instead of just saying nvidia is just overpriced , you give recommendations based on the prices that we do have and give takes from many different perspectives. I think us viewers find that very valuable, so thank you! All these other channels who have been doing this forever got nothing on you
Lol I just bought a 4080 super for 1049 and a motherboard and ddr5 ram for about $120 more than I paid for just my normal 4080. So I'm super happy. Finally get rid of this ddr4 motherboard and ram.
most of the games cannot run ray tracing without downscaling. in my opinnion i cannot spend 1000$ on a gpu and use dlss or fsr. since rt takes 50% of the performance for not so dramatic difference i preffered the 7900xtx. upgraded from a 4070ti.
4080 super is the best bet in raster, raytracing, dlss, cuda, Ai..you cannot fully use Amd card no way you pay $1000 for a card I have to be limited with
AMD isn't that bad technically 20% slower in RT but, Nvidia uses special Proprietary particle effects to choke AMD more in their sponsored games ,like Alan wake and punk etc...
5 years? A long time. With the development of AI and the advancement of technology, it is impossible to estimate what the next few years will be like for the gaming and technology industry. Now that there is AI, graphics and technologies are expected to evolve considerably in the coming years. As a result, new demands will arise. I don't think it makes sense to buy any video card or CPU now thinking about the next 5 years. Many things will change.
I got my 4070ti super for £770, when it arrived it came with a £50 shopping gift card, then I got another £30 back becuase they listed it as the oc version on the site which it wasn’t so I payed £690
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What a cheap ass, lowballing, let's take advantage of ppl and the expensive as hell hardware they spent their hard earned money on. This place offered $317 for an open box, never used, still under warranty ASUS R/S 3080TI...... dirtbags!!!
311 dollars for my RTX 4070 ? Very funny ;)
Didn't turn on afmf for avatar or starfield, or any game people ACTUALLY play, much less test. You're so clearly TRYING to make the 4080 relevant. Make it more obvious you actually care to see the nvidia card on top. Literally only used AFMF in Alan wake and cyberpunk, so were only gonna use afmf in the games the nvidia cards are favored in so you don't tell people the real deal? If anyone even plays these games I'd be shocked but yaknow. Avatar included.
That said if you pick normal titles people ACTUALLY play that already beat the 4080 at a decent fps in most cases the 7900XTX is as fast if not faster than a 4090 in due to afmf now I don't get the absolute lack of talking about this or intentional negligence towards it from people. Nvidia paying yall? Or you scared you won't get sent any more cards or something? Didnt turn on AFMF in the games people do actually play like COD and stuff where the framegen lag would b 5ms and souble the performance of the 4080 after you spent the first half of the video attempting to make it look better. F***, man. Good job using all of the nvidia card and half of the xtx really appreciate the realistic insight to the full potential.
You don't think a 95%performance boost is a good enough step up when nvidia dropped the same card at your own admission?
Oh yeah, you forgot to use that setting alongside RT. How funny. The 4080 is irrelevant and you best hope you not get pregnant d**kriding them that hard saying you'd still buy a 4080 over the xtx after that
i sell it today for 450 € ;)
The only Super card that was about the performance was the 4070-Super.
The 70Ti-Super was about the Vram, and the 80-Super was about the price cut.
right on
Very true
I agree, in fact the Super gpus are worth it over the OG versions of them.
That's actually how they should have been sold day one....@@masterlee1988
@@Matt-Kin Yes, that's true as well.
Here’s to praying that they lower the 7900 XTX prices. Thank you for these same day comparisons Daniel.
They will cause AMD has those margins on using cheaper process nodes than tsmc 4nm
@@dvxAznxvband Nvidia isnt using that node either...
in the eu the rx 7900xtx is 200 -/250 euros cheaper then the 4080 super xD
@@Dreddy99 Where in EU? They're the same price in France if you search brand new...
@@rinsenpai135here in the Netherlands the cheapest rx 7900 xtx is 929 eur and chheapest rtx 4080 super 1119 eur
Just bought a 7900xt for 770 euro.
4070ti super is 900+ here,
4080 super 1100+.
No way im going to give ngreedia my money, learned that buying the 30xx series.
first
@@buzielo3749 second
beat u.. got it first
How the hell you pay $700 plus dollars for a card you can’t fully utilize you literally have to turn shit off in order to get a decent game play.. raytracing ain’t goin no where & Amd cards struggle cards struggle big time which means you are limiting yourself & now it’s just not the features and raytracing there getting beat at now it’s also raster since these super cards release which now makes Amd a terrible value it doesn’t win in anytime lol
Good luck With Crashes, No dlss, bad rt and Driver Problems
remember when the 80 class costed at most 700 dollars? pepperridge farm remembers.
Correct price is 500 after taxes
Yeah like 15 months ago.
I member
remember when a burger was a $1?
Yes, it was called the 3080. So only last generation. But that was during mining boom when nobody could buy video cards at MSRP. Unfortunately Nvida and AMD are selling their cards today at the prices they would go for during the mining craze and that's already over.
Here on the Netherlands the 7900 XTX is available for 929 euro and the 4080 super for 1119 euro. Almost 200 euro difference making the AMD card pretty attractive
If you compare apples to apples it's only 150 euro's. But, not many models are out yet.
Summarizing:
- 4080 Super: I grew up 2 inches of raw performance! Yeah!: 8====D
- 7900 XTXhamster J.Sins: Did someone say something? I can't see behind my BIGGER LONGevity:
8======================D
If you look at 1% lows in this video that 200 euro is well worth the upgrade.
RTX 4080 is more power efficient, cooler, and has better software optimization for extra FPS too.
Ik weet waar je dit ben tegengekomen bro maar hier zijn nog altijd de prijzen comfortabel boven de 1000 euro
4080 super is 25% or $500-$700 more expensive than 7900xtx in Australia.
Just got a 4070ti super for $715 in US. Microcenter
Yep premium sapphire nitro + I bought for 1600 in December for a premium 4080 super your looking around 2200.
In central europe the 4080S is just 5.5% more expensive(~70$) than the 7900XTX.
Cheapest AIB is the Inno3D GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER X3 for 1272$ with taxes.
What's up with Australia and UK people from there always complaining about insane NV prices.
That card is going to struggle with that vram
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@@Grstrangler The Inno3D 4080S is $1950AUD and the Hellhound 7900XTX is $1549, that's $400 cheaper but I would never buy an Inno3D card because it doesn't match my build and because its an Inno3D card. $400 difference that's why people complain.
Seeing cards priced at that much dipping below 60 that much on some modern games is honestly depressing...
Why? You don't have to turn everything to the max you know? If you use reasonable settings and leave off ray tracing most cards can run it fine. Flexibility in game engines is great, I love games that are able to run on affordable hardware yet stress out the high end. And let's be honest in two years/graphics card generations we will be running the game at 144 FPS at max settings.
1200 euro for a graphic card should NOT be giving you such low fps honestly but since people will keep buying for some reasons anyway we will never get lower prices ever. Its the Apple syndrom at that point if someone can get away with selling 1k+ things with little upgrade (nvidia) why woulndt the others do it as well @@dannonyogurt98
I dont even think the 4090 can run modern games a 4K Ultra 60.
@@ADOS_DSGByes it can and 4080 super
@@KingPresleyTV not really cyberpunk on path tracing is a struggle to get it over 60 without dlss and native only
The reference RX 7900 XTX is garbage compared to a Sapphire Nitro+. No wonder so many people think its not brilliant.
Funny thing is, that in Poland RTX 4080 Super is actually cheaper than RTX 4080. Prices are (from cheapest to most expensive):
- RTX 4080 - 1406$ - 1657$ (normal AiO) and 1730$ (water AiO)
- RTX 4080 Super - 1220$ - 1394$
The problem would be volume and how popular new cards would be. To get comparison prices of RX 7900 XTX are:
- 1143$ for ASRock Phantom OC
- 1183$ for PowerColor Hellhound Spectral White
- 1381$ for Sapphire Nitro+ OC
I'm interested how would those change in a month. Now I don't thing anyone would go and buy RTX 4080. Price is so much different between RX 7900 XTX and with conversion to PLN it is even higher (around 850 PLN between cheapest models). RTX 4080 Super is better, but I still think those cards cost too much and EU tax is killing us even more. I'm waiting for new generation, because prices are too big and I want a little lower power consumption with performance around RX 7900 XT/RTX 4070 Ti Super.
Sapphire is 999. Was on sale last week for 799. All USD.
yeah, the cost is the same here in Norway, the EU tax is really a setback.
ive just ordered a new pc for myself and i want to go team green but the 200 usd premium while wanting to keep the cost down, im leaning towards amd but then theres the potensial driver instability that can come with amd..
i did end up ordering a ASRock Phantom OC but i am left with a thought if ive made the right choice or not. hopefully ill be happy with it once it arrives.
@@Gamokmk1 If you get one without QC issues you will be happy. It got hefty Power limit and it will do far higher clocks. I tried to lock my XFX M310 to MBA card in avatar and damn clocks tanks like crazy :) in times it is like 500 MHz slower and I don't even use full PL of 466W.
@@Gamokmk1
Kjøpte 7900XTX sapphire, har ikke hatt noen problemer med drivere, eneste jeg har opplevd er at det kom ut en driver-update som gjorde frame generation bedre.
Fordelen med AMD her er at de har masse forbedringspotensiale på driveren og mye de kan tweake, har har ikke nvidia like mye å spille på - og etterhvert som AMD blir mer brukt, så vil flere spill begynne å legge til støtte for FSR 3 f.ex så du får tilsvarende DLSS performance om ikke bedre.
Bare se på performance på 7900XTX når det først kom ut, og hvor mye det her forbedret seg over tid med updates, drivere og AMD Adrenalin.
Og det er alltid en bonus at du velger å støtte AMD ovenfor NVGREEDIA (Bare se på release prisene til 4080/4090... lmao)
@@explorerowPrøver selvfølgelig å støtte team rød så godt jeg kan, at nvidia har kjørt monopol og tviholdt på technologien på den måten de har, og de har vært ganske stygg på visse ting, har ikke akkurat ledet til god utvikling.
blant annet PhysX oppkjøpet nvidia hadde tilbake i 2010 ca? det var jo noe de tviholdte på. Det skulle jo egentlig være ett eget kort for physics behandling som de da har klart å implimentere inn i sine egne kort.
AMD har gjort en god jobb med å utvikle sitt eget men de hadde jo en del år AMD ikke produserte noe i det heletatt pga omstruktureringen de gikk gjennom.
men ja, prøver å støtte amd så godt jeg kan for å støtte videre utvikling, for det er gjennom AMD som kommer til å pushe ballen videre.
Men jeg må si at jeg har noe dårlige oppleveler med QC også som gjør at jeg gjerne har ett bedre syn på nvidia når det kommer til kvalitet.
Men vi får se, jeg får kortet mitt i morgen så blir gøyt å prøve!
4080 super is $700 more than the 7900XTX in Australia. Pretty easy to see where the value is
I can't believe I'm going to say this
Rtx 4080 super is the perfect graphics card right now
999$ and you can play at 1440p with ray tracing at any heavy game
Or 4k native but without ray tracing
or 4k with ray tracing but with dlss balance ( or fg if you want to use it)
7900xtx really lose it in ray tracing and in power consumption
Even on performance without ray tracing because it's only 5% who care
Dlss is better than fsr so rtx 4080 s is the wise choice
Thank you so much for all your reviews! I'm building my first PC and I've been following your channel for a few months now. Picked up my 4080s this morning and I can't wait for it to arrive!!
Orderd 4080s as well! Although separate pc component upgrades will happen gradually.
7900 XTX is generally faster. And cheaper.
@johnhenderson7285 no its not, it has crappy temps and worse performance in general. Its only faster when you dont have RTX on.
@@shimik11 If the temps are bad, you chose a bad model
Appreciate the work you've done here, this made my decision to go with a 4080S over the XTX pretty easy (they're priced right on top of eachother in Canada). 4080S Gigabyte Gaming OC arrived yesterday and it didn't take very long to realize it's simply a better GPU.
Agree 100% the XTX needs to exist at least 200USD cheaper as otherwise the savings are unlikely to feel worth it when you're already paying 1K USD.
Didn't realize how much I appreciated the nvidia software either - love having broadcast back for proper noise cancellation.
Just ordered my rtx 4080 super for $1029 usd
I upgraded to a 7900xtx from a Nvidia GTX 1080. It was a legendary card for me and lasted from 2017 to 2024. Went with the xtx to ensure I get the same longevity out of an expensive gpu
AMD needs to go down with the prices, the 7900xtx needs to be a 899$ or 849$ card imo.
I would say 750 and 7900xt for 650
Nvidia needs to lower their prices..
Even then still terrible price..with super only bein a 999.99 with better overall performance along with the extras..that will only make it $100 difference. needs to be $699
@@sidewinder86ify The 7900XTX is slower in most games than the 4080 super. They cost the same... AMD needs to drop the price of the 7900XTX.
Cost the same only in the US. Everywhere else in the world, new product = BS rip off. @@TyTan_
why place the fps counter differently on both benchmarks?! it makes it hard to compare.
For me it is quite the opposite, it is easier for me that way
womp womp
My only concern as someone who likes to get many years (I upgraded to a 7900 XTX from a 390X) out of my GPU and who tends to play AAA titles months to years after the fact is ultimately the VRAM differences. 16GB vs 24GB ... will it matter 6-8 years down the road?
I'm guessing current consoles have about 14gb or so of usable unified VRAM (16 minus about 2 for OS) But they 'Target' 4k as a base now so if u don't mind lowering your res in the future you might not need so much. But might also help if we see unoptmized/broken titles.
8 years from now we'll be half way through next gen and might see a PS6 Pro. I expect next gen to have 24-36GB VRAM, as they at least always double, but 24 is aloooot.
So I would guess and say 24GB is definitely the minimum if you want to be set for 6-8 years.
Also depends on how you feel about the more niche things regarding their pros and cons
AMD: Save a bit of money
Wayyyy More VRAM
Better software with adrenaline
People claim it ages better
Might release future features NVIDIA releases with better support for old cards
NVIDIA: Runs cooler
Better software support for more niche titles/software
Better at Ai workloads
Better at raytracing
Might come out with a new feature/technology that AMD will have to wait to recreate
(Ex: New feature only available on Rtx 5000 and 4000 gen cards)
That's how I'm trying to decide.
Nah the guy on the video has a bad take. You are right. Vram buffer is the most important thing if you wanna maintain longevity of the gpu. In 3 years from now, 16gb is gonna be not enough. 7900xtx would be. I'm still deciding on which one to buy, but the 7900xtx is hard to ignore at such a low price with so much power. Nvidia has better software technology but at the end of the day, we can update software but not the hardware like we like to
It reminds me when everyone was saying 4GB is enough VRAM for anyone. Anyone who fell for that and didn't get the 8GB versions found their card bottlenecking within a few short years.
1080Ti still manages with 11GB, the VRAM is not what will make those cards obsolete, performance and lack of modern features is (*cough* DLSS)
Successfully purchased 4080s fe...! Looking forward to it 🥰.
$999 is where it should have been all along. 👍
I won't pay more than $800 for a xx80 sku.
My 5 3080's still max the games we played in my home.
@@club4ghz Yeah that shouldn't be happening.
@@club4ghz It doesn't. If you're seeing that then it is a driver issue due to the newer SKU.
@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDisI don't see Nvidia or even AMD going back to pre-Covid inflation prices ever again. So you'd probably be looking at 70 series in the future.
I use both GPU brands (RTX4080 and RX7900XTX) but with DLSS 3.5 Nvidia GPU produce better images imho. The main issue is not the brand of the GPU, the main issue is that devs are more used to nvidia tech than rdna technology. In most games the RX 7900XT will provide more fps than the RTX, but in simulations like MSFS and X-Plane 12, the RTX is way faster because of the inner code.
yeah , but you are still getting worse pic compared to native.
@@marceelino in alot of cases dlss quality at 1440p is better than native TAA, plus, DLAA is a thing and its amazing.
@@bindxpoxt I never said with TAA.
@@marceelino you know alot of games either has TAA forced all the time, or FXA and TAA has options right?
@@bindxpoxt You can disable it most of the time, if not in-game you can do it in the configs.
In Aus the 4070 ti super and 7900xtx are the same price at $1500 each for the cheaper models at most stores,and the 4080 super being $1999.
If you live in upside down land you're pretty much guaranteed to get epically screwed on anything PC or gaming related. Stop electing tax happy liberals.
Holy man. In Canada 4070 ti super is 1100+ and 4080s is 1350+
You can also get a 4080 for $1500, which makes more sense than either of those at the same price.
Wtf
@@Jas7520 its AUS$, 4080 would be more than $2000 there.
7900xtx prices need to drop. Why would I buy a 7900xtx over a 4080 super at the $999 price range?
Precisely
Well, it's not all about ur country uh. Here in Spain a 7900XTX costs around 950€ and the new 4080 super starts at 1100€.
@@66Renchanyh in the UK it's 870...130 less than the super.
No it doesn't, the 7900XTX destroys the 4080 Super on Raster, its 24GB Vram and still you can get it at a lower price of $900 to $950. You people are a bunch of 🤡🤡, there is a reason EVGA Stopped making ngreedia gpus, Hold the L 🤡🤡
Got a 7900xtx for 650$ new on amazon but theyre gone at that price now
I am very surprised that AMD didn't drop the price on the XTX for this launch. Maybe they are betting on the 4080 super selling out very quickly. But if not, NVIDIA seems to offer the better deal at this price point. Never thought I would say that.
XTX sales are very strong and so they don't feel they need to do anything. Most likely AMD is cutting prices to AIBs behind the scenes so that prices will better stay closer to $900 than $1000. That's really all they need to do for that SKU. XTX at $900ish and XT at $750ish will sell fine. As for the 4080 Super, it's not like everyone is going to line up to pay $200-300 extra for the same performance with 50% less VRAM in 2024. And as far as 16 GB being "enough," CP2077 with the 4K texture packs already takes up 24 GB VRAM *now*. Not 5 years from now. There are at least 5 games I've played over the last year that take 16 GB with all the bells and whistles enabled which I hope you would be using on a card at this price point. Again, that is *now*, not 2, 3, 4 years from now. If you're going to be trading off your purchase in a couple of years, go for your life. But if you want your graphics card to be an investment, the XTX is a no-brainer.
@@LukewarmEnthusiast at $900 I can see the XTX being competitive, but you can make an argument that the ray tracing performance is also a good future investment. Personally, I'm with you and I got a 7900 Xt. I'm just saying that it's not a no-brainer win for AMD anymore like it used to be
These tests seem off,all other reviewers give the XTX ahead of 4080 super in rasterization,for Daniels the tests often put Nvidia ahead?
@@bournechupacabra My XTX has done fine for the RT games I play. Played Ratchet and Clank just fine and playing elden ring 4K max at a solid 60FPS(framerate limit for elden ring). Haven't had a want to play CP2077 tech demo so all good there. The XTX keeps up with the 30 series in ray-tracing and even the 4070ti and below. Overall just run RT at lower res or adjust the settings like PC players have done for decades. Majority of games still have no ray tracing. Especially if you play anything online or play older/indie games.
Nvidia has BEEN offering a better deal lol. Nothing new.
Do you have any plans to do an ultrawide benchmark?
Would like to see 21:9 1600p
I would do it if I got free GPUs to test. :) I have a 32:9 set up.
From playing on both 21:9 and 16:9 over the past years, UW results usually just sit smack in between the different 16:9 resolutions. FOV affects things a little dependind on how aggressively the engine is culling.
Especially RT scales pretty linear with render resolution pixel count until you hit VRAM limits.
@@adriankoch964Yeah a 1440P UW is 2/3 the pixels of 4K.
I feel a little bit bad for the people buying a 7900 XTX and thinking it's as good or even better than a 4080 Super.
It's 200 dollars less and has more vram and faster rastererization. Raytracing is overrated and the only real thing it has over the 7900 xtx
I feel bad for ngreedia meat riders spending 200 dollars more to buy the same product with less vram and RT which is like only in 2 games that's really useful. If they are the same price, by all means, but only in USA that's the case.
@@deheimer Same product? Don't be ridiculous. In Europe the price difference is $100. The more stable drivers alone would be worth the extra cost. You get superior upscaling, working frame generation and as an icing on the cake 50% more ray tracing performance. Not to mention the difference in compute performance when doing anything related to AI content creation. No, it's not the same product.
its also what ive said, that any negative action they made impacted everyone involved, ideally my works should be your togo entertainment after long hard work, these weirdness' wont help
@@kzxkzxkzx (comment sponsored by Nvidia)
You get a bunch of useless crap at minimum 10 percent higher cost for the same general performance. Only idiots think that's worth
I don't care how cheap it is, I dont want half ass RayTRacing, FrameGen and DLSS copy cat from AMD,Got my self a MSi Expert 4080Super and Supreme X 4080super and Jawa want to pay me $255 for my Rog Strix 3080 haha, I rather it sit in the closer and collect dust haha
The 1% lows alone makes this the easiest choice ever, 4080 super all the way, not even a match with those 1% lows stuttering, also considering every other nvidia advantage with RT perfomances and far superior upscaller and frame generation. 7900xtx wont compete with 4080 super if they dont drop the prices, and even if they drop the price by 100 still doest not justify saving 100 dolars for all the subpar features above, and especialy those 1%'s.
They had okey 1% low but they fcked up something and it takes ages for them to fix something. God only knows what the f are they doing and why it takes so long. Im using amd but man, they need to step up and be serious, they have enough money to hire people for drivers
Yep, 4080s is 7900xtx killer. Better stability and dlss
I think hes useing a bad bin 7900 xtx and i god bin 4080 cause i have 7900 xtx Sapphire pulse matched with 14600k and 4600 ddr 4 ram im consistently beating his 7900 xtx scores by 15% +at 4k and 1440p
Or his doing some sneaky shit like over volting the 7900 xtx and undervolting the 4080 to boost/Nerf clock speeds
@@Billyshatner88hey man been wondering how Intel with 7900xtx gpu works vs x3d ryzen with 7900xtx, how do you like Intel cpu with amd gpu
I got a 4080 super for $1019, after recently buying the 7900 xtx for $1199. I am sending the xtx back. Thank you for the video!
Basically, if you hate RT and will never use it on principal, don't get the brand that puts focus on it. If you do want to use RT, go with the brand that cares about it.
The brand that "cares about it" cares so they can justify putting tensor cores in their gpu. Raytracing is a gimmick for the next 10 years, as Nvidia admits in their presentations. AMD wastes as little silicon on it as possible.
Ray Tracing will be standard in games in the future. Even AMD said they want it in games on the consoles. Some games already have it and AMD gpus get spanked.
@@GameCookerUSRocks Raytracing will be in games in the future yes. What you fail to understand, because you drank the koolaid, is a 7060 and 10700xt will do better raytracing than a 4090 does today for half the price. We are years from raytracing being beyong a gimmick feature to justify $2000 cards.
@@JohnSmith-ro8hk Ray tracing cards are not $2,000. A 4060 can do RT. That's $300. My 2070 can do RT at 1080p. Lol. That's old now.
And Ray tracing is not a gimmick. It's better to do than baked in shadows if you want your game to look any good.
And all the features in the RTX GPUs are useful and very good. Things that making the gaming experience better.
@@GameCookerUSRocks You can get a vastly superior image quality and framerate on low end hardware if you never touch rt gimmick. You are either braindead or you work for nvidia.
As JayzTwoCents mentioned in his video he released today, he thinks that the AIB's might put their 4080 Super cards out at $1200 if they do like they did with the 4080 non-super where they were putting them out for like $1500.... roughly $300 above MSRP. The 4080 Super founder's edition cards are pretty much gone, they didn't make many of them. So the 7900XTX might be the way to go anyway because of the AIB prices if you're picking between the two. Maybe it won't be $300 over but we'll have to see what the AIB's do.
@@1984Captive Yeah, all this launch really does a good job of is make people who bought the 4080 non-super feel like fools. The super will be cheaper overall than the original 4080 for basically the same card, but not down to the price of a 7900XTX unless you can get an elusive FE. There's no way anyone with a 4080 non-super should be buying the super either.
Now if people didn't have a 40 series card, and wanted a super, and were lucky enough to get one of the relatively few FE 4080 super cards, not bad. $200 cheaper than the old 4080 MSRP and $500 cheaper than most 4080 AIB models. But the launch is only good for a small niche of people.
Question: I'm not from the US but my uncle currently traveling there and I asked him to bring me an 7900xtx when he comes back (on February 20)... Do you guys think that the 7900xtx price could significantly drop in just less than 20 days or nah? I ask because I'm trying to pick the right time to buy it.
if the prices are equal it's a no-brainer for the 4080S. equal raster performance, superior RT performance, access to superior upscaling and frame gen, and lower power draw (leading to lower temps).
they're absolutely not the same in rasterization. My rig vs my girlfriends rig, all things identical aside from our cards and my 7900xtx is much better. Something is off about this comparison, atleast in raster testing.
if 7900xtx doesnt drop in price 4080 super is the way to go at the same price giving you more features. £850 7900 xtx would maybe sway me
there's a 7900 xtx for £869.99 at ebuyer right now
Got a 7900xtx for 650$ new on amazon but theyre gone at that price now
wow that is such a price... I got the founders 4080 super but have serious buyers remorse@@julianmanjarres1998
4080 was already worth it before the price cut, now it's a no brainer.
There are no word that can describe how much I hate the current generation of cards. I didn't pay a shitton of money for a 4090 so that I can play Cyberpunk at 20 fps on native 4k with rt.
It hits me wrong that GPUs north of $600 require upscaling for playable frame rates (with RT enabled) and the less powerful GPUs that could really benefit from upscaling are not powerful enough to use it well. I went from an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3, a 4K 120hz 55" TV and playing GW2 (no RT possible) to a 7900XTX HellHound. All the eye candy and an avg of 30 FPS more. Not amazing uplift, but at the time, at $900, a minimum of $300 cheaper than the 4080. My 1080Ti had no RT capability so I didn't notice the lack of RT (or care to be honest) with the 7900XTX. With the new name and $200 price cut, the 7900XTX needs to be $100-125 cheaper as well. Sorry, but Nvidia does have more mind share. Not better performance in many cases and certainly not better prices. AMD has to compete with facts as well as perception and perception is way tougher to overcome. Political rant: Lord, Trump is still not in jail for one example of perception. I'm 70, Watergate and 'Nam are current events and the parallels between two presidents attempting to keep power are scary.
Over here the 4080s is about 200€ more expensive than the 7900xtx. If it wasn't for DLSS being so good i would have bought a xtx already.
Yeah, 150-200€ is kinda the threshold where it's a close call based on your preferences. Here's hoping that even if the gap remains the same, both cards are simply cheaper.
you play 4k? or why you upscaling? dlss is not 200€ better than fsr lol.
and the fact that it's using 200-300wats less power to do the same job xtx does.
@@vladimirdosen6677wtf you are talking about 😂 my xtx does not even draw 300w during gaming (average). In fact with some undervolting and downclocking it eats 200-250w during gaming with only minor performance impact
@@TheMahtimursu I would rather trust Hardware unboxed than you.
i really wanted to upgrade to a 7900xtx but basically 1k dollars was just to much, i like ray tracing but the 4080 was no go at 1200+. with the extra features and ray trace performance i think i could talk my self in to a 4080super. at only 50 less theres no way i get a xtx. if they did what you suggest and hit 800 id prob have bought a xtx already. theres where amd missed a huge oppertunity, they should have dropped the price ahead of the launch.
Yup I was scanning XTX prices as well. There's no way I'm buying an XTX for 950 when the Super was coming out for 999. If the XTX was 800 I'd be an AMD XTX enjoyer today instead of a 4080 Super enjoyer. Ordered my card from Best Buy.
believe me, the actual price difference will basically never be only 50 usd. (depends on region of course)
More like 150+
I'm so sick of Ray tracing being the end all be all of these GPUs. First off DLSS and FSR both have problems that I can't stand because they both utilize some form of TAA that modern games seem to have adopted/preferred over other forms of AA, that has ultimately made games look incredibly blurry. If you're a 4k gamer TAA essentially ruins the crisp experience, and at times removes detail in games. Raster is still king in my opinion, and if you have the option to disable RT please do it, I guarantee your experience will be 10x better without ray tracing, because the performance hit is far too big for the visual improvement that you're getting.
Secondly frame generation may look good on paper because the FPS graph says it's higher, but in the real world it doesn't feel or look better as an actual use case. I'd rather play at 60FPS without frame generation, because the latency is simply better than playing at 100FPS with frame generation on, especially in first person shooter scenarios.
Thirdly, it took Nvidia a year to respond to the 7900 XTX, and the normal non-Super 4080 is still sitting around $1200, meaning they'll just sit on shelves collecting dust, essentially making Nvidia's board partners lose a lot of money in the process. Seems time and again Nvidia is constantly showing why EVGA made their decision to cut their partnership.
Lastly, it really looks like the 7900 XTX is coming down in price, I'm seeing open box deals for the XTX on Newegg for $849 as of 2/5/24, I'm done buying into Nvidia's BS.
NVIDIA dictates the market prices, the 7900 xtx will drop in price eventually it's unavoidable and also positive.
$50 is pretty optimistic. New 4080 Super is at least $200 higher. Raytracing is the only advantage and doesn't make enough visual differences to make it worthwhile, especially since few games support it.
"Ray Tracing is the only advantage"...
...you have no idea what you're talking about.
The 7900 XTX was widely available under $900 in July, so AMD could definitely get away with lowering their prices to $850, since you would think that as time goes on, it will get cheaper to produce. The XTX was also available for $800 as a flash sale on Amazon 2 or 3 weeks ago.
Those sales were probably scams. Amazon is horrible at detecting those and reacting in time
@@Greenalex89 No they were not. The flash sale was sold and shipped by Amazon, and the ones available under $900 were available at Newegg and was shipped by Newegg. There's been plenty of scam listings, but those I mentioned were not.
Everyone really needs to be less afraid to try open box deals if you're seriously considering graphics cards within this price range. Especially if you're remotely concerned about your budget. I bought my 7900xtx for $850 at microcenter in July (my 2080 died, thanks gigabyte!) and my gpu is just fine. Even have a 5 year warranty on it as if it was a new product. Definitely ask!!!
Overpriced. Both.
sorry its 2024 and I still don't know why we need to turn on ray tracing. can someone shed a light?
I smell an AMD owner
@@trentpa9226 Oh ya, I own a 7950x3d and still running an old RTX2080super. Waiting to upgrade the gpu. I asked a fair question, do first person shoot type of game required raytracing? It's a valid question. Or youtuber are too cool to provide feedback?
I can only shed light when I turn RTX on.
@@trentpa9226 Ray tracing just makes no sense its pointless
I balled out for RGB and got the Strix 4080S for $1250 but compared to $1500-$1800 for the non super variant. I know I over paid but it’s going to look nice in my H6Flow
you deserve it bro, work hard.. play hard.
Fire bro!!!! I got the 4080 non super rog strix in white got it for 1200s. Listing came up with 4 available and I jumped. Looks amazing, runs amazing. Zero regrets!! Enjoy!!
Well I’m gonna refrain from insulting the card pricing and just say good for you man it’s a great card just not a great price but you will enjoy it.
I just ordered a 4080 super, I play on a 4k screen and want to use 4k, and I care a lot about RT performance, and so far DLSS is better than FSR (but it's getting closer and closer, i wonder if fsr might even surpass it at some point).
But I should say that I was already intending to buy a 4080 even before I heard of the new super series going to be released despite the insane prices... well now i get one for a bit better price, I was also considering the 4070 Ti Super but after it was released it wasn't as much better than the 4070 Ti as I had hoped and also where I live the prices are the same and even price overlap so there are a lot of fancy 4070 Ti and 4070 TI Super (Asus strix and such) that cost about the same as a mid range 4080 super... and some fairly mid range and common 4070 TI Super (asus TUF) were selling for just $150 less than the 4080 super I ordered.
Dude, if u use upscaling at 4k, ur actually playing at 2k.
The 4080 cant handle its own features without upscaling. Meaning: u are paying a 4k premium price for a 1440p card.
@@Greenalex89why so black and white? depends on what game and what graphics settings and what fps i feel is acceptable... like in cyberpunk2077, no you can't run it on full rt (not to even mention pathtracing) in 4k native with playable framerates. I probably won't use pathtracing much but even if i use psycho or ultra rt lighting and all RT functions on, i'd need to run it at a lower scale, usually i fiddle with this on my own via dlss tweak to set something good for each game, some games are fine at dlaa (native res going through the dlss engine), but you can set what ever internal resolutions you want so you don't have to play at "quality" which is 1440p from 4k as it is x0.66667... (1/1.5) of native, balanced is x0.5882353... (it's 1/1.7), but i can choose something in between like 0.625 (1/1.6), a small number of games have "ultra quality" which is x0.76923.. (1/1.3), but maybe I want to play at x0.75 which seemds more round (1/1.33333...) or x0.8 (1/1.25), I can even run DLAA horizontally and dlss vertically setting the internal resolution manually to 2880x2160 (the native is 3840x2160 on standard 4k), this works great in many games and even completely got rid of unsightly dlss ghosting in rdr2 when i played it on my 2070 Super (which is what i had until an hour ago when i got and installed my 4080 super).Sure in many games I will play it in native of course in such a powerful card, but DLSS is still a necessity for many very demanding games when on 4k. (though interestingly the last of us pc edition ran really well on my 2070 Super in native 4k, but i had to lower some settings to not go exceed the available vram.
@@gunnarthegumbootguy7909lol this dude clearly doesn't have any experience with DLSS at 4k.
1000 bucks and you still can't play 4k 60fps natively.. lame AF
The cheapest 4080S is 1199,- where i’m at while the 7900XTX is 950,-
For me its still a no brainer seeing the prices.
I'm already running out of VRAM at 1440p with my RX 6800 / 16GB. Throw in ray-tracing and the same amount of VRAM though for twice the price? Nvidia can keep their overpriced lower-mid-range cards.
literally how
@@electricant55 He's running Skyrim with ALL the sex mods.
@@verde5738 based
For AFMF, do you enable HYPR-RX with it? Radeon Boost withing HYPR-RX is meant to be paired with AFMF to counter AFMF dynamically disabling it'self during fast motion by enabling Boost (Dynamic Resolution) only where there's camera movement.
Also, Moore's Law Is Dead would be happy to have you on his Broken Silicon Podcast! And as a view for both of you, I and many others would love to see you on there if you aren't too busy!
It might, but tbh I would rather just use a controller with AFMF bcuz Radeon Boost is disgusting and in some other games like DOTA (for example, but basically top down view games) AFMF doesn't turn off.
At that price point you are supposed to be getting all the bells and whistles. Getting DLSS and better RT performance is worth the 50$.
Take the L AMD and lower the price.
(I say that as someone that has had AMD in every gen except RDNA 3, for some reason you have to disclose that nowadays to criticize a product before anyone says anything).
Bought an open box 7900 xtx for 942 euros. Great card powerful as hell. Decent ray tracing (I don't play Cyberpunk). But it consumed 450 watts. So I return it. I bought an open box 4080 for 929 euros. It does the same job while pulling 120 watts less.
If more games are coming with permanent RT on like Avatar. Your future self will thank you.
How tf dont u check any specs and data before buying o0? Based on color? I hope no one sells u a fiat for a Ferrari price just cause its red.
amd tend to overvolt their hardware so they undervolt well
@@Greenalex89 of course I check the specs...ignorant and particularly condescending comment
@@Greenalex89Bit hash mate! He’s showing he has the ability to resist the way of the AMD fanboy fraternity and think for himself.
It’s not like AMD would ever dare compare their cards to the actual competing card form another company let alone tell you it’s sucks over 100w more.
All gpu’s look almost identical, especially aib cards. You wouldn’t know if a gigabyte card was AMD or nvidia unless it said Radeon or GeForce on it. Even an Amish person could tell a Ferrari from a fiat lol
It's still meh all around, but AMD _HAD_ to know the 4080 super was going to make the XTX look bad because they already knew exactly what the 4080 was. When AMD is winning they're _barely_ winning, but when Nvidia is winning they're absolutely decimating the XTX. You can get away with that when you're $200 cheaper but looks terrible when you're around the same price.
AMD could have proactively dropped it's price to steal some of Nvidia's thunder, but in typical AMD fashion you can always count on them to wait until _after_ they look foolish before they react. 🤦 Cmon AMD.
ngreedia only wins in rt titles
@@lifemocker85 It's brainless comments like this that make you AMD fanboys insufferable. What part of "When AMD is winning they're barely winning, but when Nvidia is winning they're absolutely decimating the XTX." did you not understand? Did you even watch the video?
There's never a time AMD is far enough ahead to where you would really notice. There's plenty of times Nvidia is fucking _destroying_ them. And that's NOT just in RT. Often when AMD has slight leads in average fps in non-rt games, Nvidia is still killing them in 1% lows, and that matters FAR more than averages to feel like smooth gameplay. And keep in mind one of those rt games is an AMD sponsored title they're getting schooled in.
Now account for AMD's cheaper memory (16gb of gddr6x costs more than 24gb of gddr6), cheaper die, inferior upscaling, inferior FG, and terrible VR, you realize it's not Nvidia being greedy. AMD has notably fatter margins on the XTX than the 4080 super. Nvidia is still overpriced, yes, but the XTX is insultingly overpriced. And if you don't think AMD is greedy, just take a look at Threadripper pricing to see what AMD does the second they're ahead. If they released the 4090 and not Nvidia I guarantee it would have had a $2000 MSRP.
RDNA3 is a flop. They didn't perform anywhere near where they were supposed to but AMD still charged like they did. There's should NEVER be a time when Nvidia's $550 4070 beats a $950 xtx, but it does in some scenarios, and sometimes even _LAST_ gen cards. That's unacceptable on a thousand dollar flagship, and looks like Arc launch drivers when AMD falls flat on their face. The only thing that makes it better is Nvidia is even more overpriced, but at least with Nvidia there's no compromises. THAT'S why Radeon will never outsell RTX. Most people aren't mouth breathing fanboys. Even Nvidia users hate Nvidia. But once you hold your nose and pay the Nvidia tax you simply have a superior experience for the next several years, while you have to put up with worse and worse performance with AMD as more and more games utilize RT. That's not fine wine, that's rotten grape juice.
The XTX shouldn't be a penny over $800.
@@zodwraith5745 only brainless things here are ngreedia pricing, rt lying marketing department and insufficient vram
@@lifemocker85 So you're calling Daniel a liar. Gotcha. Apparently you're too stupid to watch the video you're commenting on.
@@lifemocker85 Found the AMD fanboy drowning in copium. Not even your Lisa Su body pillow can produce competent raytracing can it?
Thanks for the test, it clarified a lot for me. Although I would often choose AMD, in this case it is definitely better to take the 4080 super than the 7900xtx
I just orderd a 4080 super, it was a lot lower in price than the 4080's listed locally, $300 lower, the pricing for the 4080's did not change which in my local currency equivalent was $1600 which is a lot higher price compared to those availabel internationally.
I was hoping to stop being soo addicted to watching benchmark videos but still seem to gradually watch these to confirm whether purchasing decision was accurate. Considering in my own ranking system the 4080 is second to the first place card in the world 4090 and competing between 20-50fps for 4k resolution gaming with ray tracing and upscaling.
I was primarily an old school gamer playing mostly retro videogame console backlog. It took me months trying to figure out the current pc jargon of what is bare minimum admirable. I initially got a second hand 3060 and at 1080p runs brilliantly, although the monitors in my setup are mostly 4k for tv and productivity, only 1 being a 24inch 1920x1080 75hz monitor. The landscape to traverse in todays pc gaming world with FSR/DLSS/Frame generation/Upscaling/Native/Ray Tracing/Path Tracing... and then comparing charts among charts is quite arduos.
I was hoping to curb this journey by getting imo the second best gpu card in the world but somehow I have continued to watch more benchmark videos...
Great video by the way!
I think it's mainly to confirm purchasing decision...
You will never stop. Then the new cards will launch in 10 months and Nvidia will advertise how 'sh*t' your card performs compared to its successor, it will have a bunch of new software features that you will be told are unavailable to your model because of 'hardware limitations '. And you will watch all the Hardware Unboxed videos on the 50 series cards, looking down the list of models to see yours struggling to stay in the top 35% of the chart and you will feel bad. It will begin to eat at you, and so you will start watching more benchmarking videos of the new GPUs. Eventually you will convince yourself that it will be worthwhile to upgrade.
This is the way 😆
@@TheSwayzeTrain I have a 4080s but I still like watching the economics of price to performance and feature set comparisons as well as future tech that will be more promising.
I got the AMD card to mess with NGreedia market, the more you feed the greedy beast the more it will charge you for it's that simple.
Is 600 for 4070 ti worth it ?
Yes. That's a great deal.
Yea
No. 12gb is just stupid
yes
@@lifemocker85 12gb is fine. For $600 that card is a steal
If you have a 4080 with a decent PCB then open Afterburner, set VRAM to +1300 and Core +150, hit apply and there you go, same or better performance than a 4080 Super. Of course you can also tweak a 4080 Super but the point still stands.
Point doesnt really stand to compare overclocked with stock, when overclocking is no cost, low effort thing to do
The points doesn't stand cause u can do the same with the 4080 super, ergo, they will never be the same. Why u even would to buy a 4080 super having a 4080 KEK.
80 super isn't for a person who already have the 80!
I wonder if you could flash a 4080 Super vbios onto a regular 4080...someone should try it out :)
yes, the 4080 super is just an overclocked 4080 for 200 bucks less. thanks for beta testing.
This isn't the first video I've noticed that your AMD work worse than other bloggers, maybe something wrong with your AMD settings?
It is definitely worth it even before looking at the benchmarks. Wanna know why? No influencer will tell y'all. Because WoW on DX12 is literally unplayable for MULTIPLE MONTHS and AMD has fixed absolutely NOTHING. They have communicated nothing as well, despite tons of people constantly reporting their driver timeouts. No ETA on the fix, no workarounds, nothing. Just switch to DX11 and hopefully you won't crash as much. THREE MONTHS now I've spent way too many hours troubleshooting, fresh installing, DDUing, whatever you can think about. No. For just $50 bucks, just go with NVIDIA. And never trust reviewers, none of them ever mentioned that there's a chance the games you play will never get fixed. 7 good years with my 1060 6GB I never had any issues.
the allen wake bench raytracing is mindblowing, didn't think amd was that far behind.
But optical you can't see any difference if RT is on or off, the only thing you see is a massive performance-drop :D
yes that;'s the point of comparing gpu to gpu, using the same settings.@@nFinity1985
@@nFinity1985you have to be blind not to see it. Difference is big!
@@leovanlierop4580 Not in this Video here. Maybe when i play it by myself i can see a difference. But actually the difference is too small for me when i have to compare it with the massive performance-loss.
@@nFinity1985alan wake 2 makes use of path tracing, it is very noticeable without it. I have a 7900 xtx and play this game with fsr2 performance to get path tracing with playable fps and it is worth it
I just bought 7900xt
Wrong card. Good luck with the crashes and all the other issues. And when the new games comes out . Be struggling with rt
@@justinwalker5237 You want me to pay 200$ extra for the 4070ti S???
LOL
@@justinwalker5237 stop crying, what crashes? and "all the other issues", as if nvidia doesn't have any issue.. delusional fanboy.. rt and dlss is overrated, and nvidia experience is some outdated trash.
So sorry.
I bought an RTX 4080 Super (MSI Gaming X Slim) for £950 2 weeks ago. Paired with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D at 1440p. No complaints at all. It's incredible, in fact!
The RX 7900 XTX in the UK is roughly the same price, excluding any online store deals/used market, so I don't regret it at all. Plus, the benefits of DLSS, better RT and frame-gen made it far more attractive for me.
In a few months, 7900 XTX will be cheaper.
If MSRP is something to go by, 7900XTX is pointless. No one should buy it. The VRAM difference is also irrelevant because if the GPU is simply slow, no amount of VRAM can save you. It's apparent with 4070Ti Super.
I feel that the 4080s is a safer bet. The 7900xtx doesn't do upscaling as well or ray tracing. It dies on path tracing. I think it is slightly faster in raster and maybe software RT like luman, but it doesn't dominate the 4080s. I also love Alan Wake 2 and other games in the remedy connected universe. I think you should add in ratchet and klank or forespoken just so you have a direct storage game. From what I can tell the 4070tis is a little better bang for the buck than the 4080s.
Really, who is out here using RT anyways.. The image quality isn't worth it with the frame drop..
@@IceBreakBottleJust about everyone.
overpriced
No GPU is safe buy ATM , future games are all UE 5 and its hardware requirements are different , best to wait for next gen guys.
I'm holding on to rx6800 for now ,
@@IceBreakBottle blud is trying to cope
Here in Hungary i've bought my 7900xtx for ~1000 euro (half year ago) and it keeps the price in the same range actually,. You can buy the basic 4080 (non super, non ti, non max, non pro, mega, giga ect.) for ~1300-1500 euro now and than. I think it's no brainier what you'll choose in price/performance ratio if the rt is not a necessary factor for you in gaming.
1 eve nyustolom az xtx kartyam. Jol futnak a jatekok. Bar neha azert rt-t is tolok, ami meg eleg istenesen megy rajta. Kar hogy az fsr3 alkalmazasa a jatekokban lassan terjed. Azzal lehet jol futna a path tracinges Alan Wake 2 is
@@laszlodajka5946 nekem sincs panaszom az rt-re játékokban, bár nyilván nem hozza az nvidia szintjét, de ahol megüt stabilan 60fps-t rt-vel is a játék ott nálam is megy, már ha van opció kapcsolgatni...én elégedett vagyok vele, meg nem is rossz áron szereztem :D
I used Google translate to understand your comments because I wanted to be in the Hungarian club.
Better off running a Native 1440p Monitor w/ RTX 4080S and even RTX 4090 vs. 4K with upscaling and or "frame gen".
Native 1440p allows a high refresh rate experience without visual artifacts and or the increased input lag via "frame gen".
Native 1440p with max settings looks amazing on your standard 27-34" inch desktop monitor so seeing people talk as if 1440p is beneath them is quite comical as they are only hurting themselves.
This coming from someone who owns both a LG 4K OLED 120hz VRR display and ViewSonic 1440p IPS 240hz G SYNC display.
Never have I thought 4K was "optimal" vs. 1440p gaming on my RTX 4090 / R7 7800X3D / 2X 16GB 6200 CL 26 36 32 44 (56.8ns) RIG.
4080 super is selling pretty well, msrp models all sold out.
just checked geizhals and all the shops have the 4080 super in stock.
6950 XT for $400. I only play competitive racing games so I win.
$999 4080 Super FE is a banger. Far better RT, better upscaler, and Nvidia using 100w less power in some of those games. Nvidia is the clear winner here.
Any 1000€$ gpu is terrible ripoff
in some countries using 100W less power might be actually reasonable point.
4080s is extremely energy-efficient compared to xtx, while also being better cooled
@@PhilosophicalSock amd tend to overvolt their hardware so they undervolt well. For example 68xt is 200w gpu undervolted
@@lifemocker85 ehem. my 4090 sits at 350W just fine. it is not exclusively amd who can be undervolted and power-limited. I guess, 4080s can work at 210W level without any problems too
@@lifemocker85 Yeah I'll never pay over $1k for a gpu, only under that(for any PC part even).
You're comparing 2 GPUs that are both $1000, whether one costs 900/950/1100 doesn't matter, what matters if they are ALL expensive and only one of them can do everything, that's the difference.
XTX is leading in some games, because it also draws 15-25% more power. Right now XTX is not good value. at 899$ will be far more competitive, because you get a tiny bit more raster performance (in some games) and more VRAM, but the feature set is lacking.
atleast 6000 serie undervolts well
I am with 1050 ti , been waiting to upgrade it for few years now , I still can't justify 1000 $ for GPU this is a day robbery .
same
A 1050ti is not a graphics card but a calculator in all honesty :D
@@shagohodds :( I also have the 1050ti, tried to get the 4080 super, but ran out of stock before my turn
lucky you here minimum is 1300-1400 😂
@unkconocido9403 if your in the uk . You can get a 4080 super from scan for 959
amd is very afraid go any lower in price due to expensive vram will cause amd market shares to drop and loss $40 billion, no wonder amd giving up and leaving highend to nvidia...the vram is problematic to maintain fair pricing when amd overesitmated and over shoot on both foot ...24gb and price , it complicated a whole lot for amd when difference in performance is only 5% between 16gb 4080 vs 24gb 7900xtx...nvidia is closing gap much closer than before , even 4080 super embarrassed amd halo product with better lows fps,. Its not cheap to do 384bit 24gb vram...when amd could done 256bit 16gb would been cheaper for amd users
Got a 7900xtx for 650$ new on amazon but theyre gone at that price now
I agree.. 7900xtx needs to go down to $850 or less to make it a good choice now. 900 at the very most
In my country the cheapest XTX is $910 right now, while the cheapest 4080S is $1,168. I already have a nice 7900 GRE in my system so not buying any GPU's anytime soon, but in the hipotetic I had that kind of money to spend I was really thinking for this high end of a GPU I better go with Nvidia. After seeing the size of the price gap the 7900XTX is too good to pass up and it's not even a competition for me.
Thank you so much, this was exactly the comparison I wanted to see. Especially since you're so thorough in measurement and observant to detail in the results. This video really helps clarify my buying decision. Thanks again.
I don't usually see any difference between RT on and off, especially if I'm gaming instead of inspecting.
u need glasses
Same, in many games is not worth it, I prefer smooth gameplay than some reflection that I just don't care
Which driver was being used with the amd card? Alan wake 2 received a quite noticeable performance bump with the 23.11.1 driver and I think also a slight bump with the 24.1.1.
Basically if you want to use raytracing, dlss, or streaming (nvidia encoding) buy a 4080, if you only care bout fps and your games dont require ai upscaling or raytracing then buy a 7900xtx
Best review on youtube👍
No. He is good. No doubt about it but the best are Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus.
7900 XTX RIP
not even close kid.
@@NulJern Go away, AMDrone
@@victorsegoviapalacios4710 just facts, deal with it.
Jawa wanted to buy my 4070 for 300€. I sold it 500€ to an individual
Thanks Jawa.
the 4080S is a lot better value but that's mostly because the 7900 XTX is ridiculously overpriced!
the XTX should cost $800 max and the 4080S $900-$950...
Got a 7900xtx for 650$ new on amazon but theyre gone at that price now
4080S should cost max 500 after taxes
I have to agree with your analysis. That's why I went and bought the 4080 Super today. A $50 discount is not enough for me to pick the AMD 7900 XTX. If the AMD GPU cost between $800-850 I probably would have gone for that instead but it wasn't. AMD just isn't doing enough to compete and they KNEW the 4080 Super was dropping today. So what are they doing in the market?
Could have had 7900 XTX 14 months ago. That is the difference.
Got a 7900xtx for 650$ new on amazon but theyre gone at that price now
Man this is so pointless.
Btw I was waiting for your apu's review 😭
For me in America, there is that same $50 price difference. It's a no-brainer for me to pay the additional $50 for access to DLSS 3 and much better raytracing performance, even if I don't usually use raytracing. I'm spending about $2000 to upgrade my system fully, and that $50 is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Your reviews are the absolute best. I always love your reasoning and conclusions, and how instead of just saying nvidia is just overpriced , you give recommendations based on the prices that we do have and give takes from many different perspectives. I think us viewers find that very valuable, so thank you! All these other channels who have been doing this forever got nothing on you
Would love 7900XTX. My retired ATI (AMD) X850XT 256MB has Flame Generation XD Now my other 6600XT with FSR is shaking!
Yall likes are fine likes 👍 But I admit I used to own FX5200. I know, I was young, alright 🤣 The GPU generated Flame in my Head instead. 🤣
Lol I just bought a 4080 super for 1049 and a motherboard and ddr5 ram for about $120 more than I paid for just my normal 4080. So I'm super happy. Finally get rid of this ddr4 motherboard and ram.
most of the games cannot run ray tracing without downscaling. in my opinnion i cannot spend 1000$ on a gpu and use dlss or fsr. since rt takes 50% of the performance for not so dramatic difference i preffered the 7900xtx. upgraded from a 4070ti.
Pretty dumb mentality if you just refuse to use upscaling at all lol
huge respect to you and other reviewers for still primarily reviewing raw performance without upscaling (and especially without frame generation)
4080 super is the best bet in raster, raytracing, dlss, cuda, Ai..you cannot fully use Amd card no way you pay $1000 for a card I have to be limited with
AMD isn't that bad technically 20% slower in RT but, Nvidia uses special Proprietary particle effects to choke AMD more in their sponsored games ,like Alan wake and punk etc...
No way pay over 500 for a single part of the system
@@vmafarah9473did you watch the video!? It's more than 20% slower in pathtracing
@@vmafarah9473 Bullshit. AMD is just trash.
@@lifemocker85 Get a job
Is the a 7900xtx base? Because most of the aftermarket factory 7900xtx run waaaayyyyy better then this. My nitro+ is a monster.
Waiting for the 5 series. If its nothing special, i will go for the 7900xtx.
The only thing that makes xtx relevant is the size of vram. 4080S beats it in every other categories.
in what scenarios do gamers need 24gb vram tho?
except of having pleasure wathching the number of "24gb"
Yeah, that was kinda expected. It all comes down to price now.
Does it have enough vram for the next 5 years? 1440 ultrawide
5 years? A long time.
With the development of AI and the advancement of technology, it is impossible to estimate what the next few years will be like for the gaming and technology industry. Now that there is AI, graphics and technologies are expected to evolve considerably in the coming years. As a result, new demands will arise.
I don't think it makes sense to buy any video card or CPU now thinking about the next 5 years. Many things will change.
If worried about vram go for the 7900 XTX
Most likely.
3 years at top.
In 5 years it will run like the newest 60ti anyway!
Typical toxic AMD fanboys in the comments as usual.
I learned in this video to get a new monitor. 1080p is ass, 2k is ass, and at 4k both gpus have better fps which is absolutely crazy
I got my 4070ti super for £770, when it arrived it came with a £50 shopping gift card, then I got another £30 back becuase they listed it as the oc version on the site which it wasn’t so I payed £690
12gb gpus are Waste of money
@@lifemocker85 4070ti super is a 16gb card. Get ur facts right before trying to shit on someone
@@johnhughes9766 I guess he must had thought of 4070 Ti which is a 12GB gpu that got discontinued by Nvidia!
@@johnhughes9766 overpriced
@@lifemocker85Your posts are waste.