The Wrestling Degenerates 2
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Professional wrestling is a business that is full of egos, backstage politics and at times utter degeneracy. The world of meaty men slapping eachother exists to tell stories, get positive messages across. Moments like Daniel Bryan winning at WrestleMania, Punk in Chicago, Eddie Guerrerro beating Brock. But the thing is, those are characters and playing those characters are real people. And sometimes the people playing these wrestlers and characters we see on our TV’s true colours are shown. In today's video we’re going to go over 3 wrestlers who have gained distinct reputations within the wrestling world, for various reasons
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The Velveteen Dream one hurt me the most because he was my favorite NXT wrestler before things fell off.
I felt that the dude was literally on the top all for it to crumble down
He’s just like a lot of the super talent & creative people in Hollywood. If y’all only knew what your favorite actor does behind closed doors.
@@Eloh_Dragons That is just too true
I feel your pain, then it all went wrong ohh damn his a what if wrestler he could have been nxt champion, intercontinental champion, US champion.
What if
Him and Lio Rush were both my favorites when they popped up because they trained and started in my local wrestling promotion. I had high hopes for both, but that fell through QUICK
I think it's safe to say that Velveteen Dream was the most heartbreaking one, he was loved by everyone and he just threw it all away.
Howd he throw it away? If those allegations hadn't come out, he'd be on Raw or Smackdown right now. Maybe Mr. MiTB
he didn't thats the wrost part the allegations that got him fired were flase
@@Goldenaustin99 flase?
FACTS
@@crazycountryboy8941 yeah the person on their insta said they lied about them
You know you had potential when John Cena himself said he'd share the ring with you. Doggone shame how Dream dug his own grave.
His face reveal did him in, you see he’s just a guy not young Adonis
@@BedroomBully88 hes talking about velveteen dream lol not the youtuber
How ironic was Aleister Black’s words after that match. “Enjoy infamy, Velveteen Dream.”
You gotta talk about Tessa Blanchard next. Her downfall was truly something to behold.
What happened with her exactly
@Taiyah I agree.
I just met her
@@Unreal_Ra she supposedly spit in La Rosa Negra's face
@@Kingbossdon I have met her several times at Warrior Wrestling shows and she was always super nice. She signed a painting I made of her and she even let me take a photo of her contact info on her phone for a future interview.
Velveteen Dream just makes me sad, he had it all to be a main event star for years to come, and threw it all away. What a damn shame
allegations came back, the insta dude lied apparently idk
You also had Travis Banks. A guy who had a VERY questionable relationship with his 17 year old trainee (Millie McKenzie). And he harassed and stalked her continuously when she tried to end things.
@@getuliovargas620 right over here cops
Just to put every one right here the fact is that in Britain age of consent is 16 so technically she isn't an adult but is old enough to make those type of decisions on her own
@@getuliovargas620 you realize the fact that your country’s socially immoral laws allow adults to legally take a child bride 2 years sooner than ours is not a good thing, right?
I think the power dynamic is also a factor. Illegal? No. Creepy? YES.
@@getuliovargas620 officers… 😟😟
The Velveteen one still hurts. I really liked his work in WWE. At first I didn't like his character but then he grew on me... It's a real shame this happened
FACTS.
Text a Teen Dream
Weren’t those allegations proven false?
@@juliandavis9711 Yup
Honestly, that’s for any wrestler who has grown on me. It hurts…
The whole letting Chasyn train minors seems like another case just waiting to happen. It also makes me side eye the parents a bit cause I get wanting to support your kids dream but straight up letting them train under a registered offender is….a choice.
Unless one of them has a fake ID I doubt it.
especially in Florida... where wrestling gyms and clubs are not hard to find....
i didn't know you liked wrestling.
It's just fucking stupid - on everyone's part - from him diddling minors, to the police letting him walk free, to the people rehiring him, to the people that know he's a registered offender and are still seeking to train under him (nasty pun not intended), to the parents allowing their minors anywhere near him. Or am I the idiot here?
Was he also involved with the disappearance of a woman Teddy Hart sent him?
"Shoplifting Protein Powder" I spat my coffee on my phone 💀💀 I did not expect to hear that! 😂😂
I try to forget about Dream because it makes me so mad how he could've had it all and just ruined it.
Thanks for covering Elgin as I didn’t really know the story. Love the series keep it up
I really enjoyed how informative this series is keep it up. Other channels like to brush over these types of stories but i appreciate the fact that this channel actually explains the situations.
It's really not elgin was proven innocent some of the things he says are based on rumors n he instead he states them as facts
Nonetheless it sucks what happened to these wrestlers
Paige/Saraya literally told Patrick Clark that his over-inflated ego would be his downfall in the business while he was on Tough Enough. She seen it coming a mile away.
Coke heads gotta look out for each other
@@methembendlovu5516 sounds like you are upset your favorite wrestler was fired
@@dasiareed2708 what gives you that impression
The Chasyn Rance one is weird because there are a lot of wrestlers who still keep in touch with him, hang out with him, and will openly block fans who tweet why they hang out with him. An alarming amount of wrestlers in WWE and AEW too. Look it up. Its weird..
Not just WWE and AEW, a bunch of Japan guys and women too. EVERYONE still fucks with him, and idk if we don’t know something in particular or if they’re all just as weird…
It's not really clear what he did, aside from the one relationship with a 12 to 15-year-old. What was the lewd behavior exactly? I'm not trying to excuse him, but from this video alone, I would give him a chance at redemption. Maybe there are details that I don't know of.
@@RoastedMarshmelon lewd behavior usually means sex, but, they can't say it on here without getting demonitized. The simple fact that he's a registered sex offender because of that case should be a sign that Rance is a pedo. The fact "The Elite", especially Kenny, and their friends are still close friends, and Kenny has gotten him work with AEW on several occasions, isn't a good look for him. Then you see the stuff Kenny was doing with kids in Japan when he was with DDT, while he was a friend with Rance raises a TON of questions.
Exactly and I think I know why. He’s also butt buddies with the fat clown on MLW. I used to know a guy like him. He had countless friends in the wrestling community because he was basically a master salesman and got the guys whatever they wanted whenever they were around. This was in the late 90’s and pills were the big deal. Even the non pill guys would hang with this guy because he always happened to have things they wanted, wrestling tapes from different territories, steroids, even clothes. The guy I’m talking about was a good friend of mine and aside from the drugs (which I got caught up in) he didn’t do the stuff this “Chasyn” guy was involved with. That idiot has even been linked to the missing girl Teddy Hart was involved with. He’s had three known arrests involving sex with minors. He’s a registered sex offender yet MSL and Kenny Omega love him.
@@RoastedMarshmelon All sexual predators deserve no redemption or mercy, when they're caught it's almost never the first time. Even if it was, imagine if that was your child that he had sex with *(and battered).* I'd love to hear your reasoning for sympathising with a convicted sexual offender and abuser, _I'm sure you aren't one either..._
I remember when I first watched ROH in around 2013 or so. Elgin was one of the wrestlers I loved the most. Anarchy's Son was a straight banger, and his presentation was cool. A shame that he went crazy
I loved Elgin too. One of the wrestlers i loved to watch and wished for big things for him. Was so confused about what happened to him
Haven't seen him in ROH but Raju lived his shit in NJPW. Z I'm rewatching G1 28 [2018] and he's had bangers against Evil and Hangman Page. It's a shame, could've been one of their top gaijins
Me too. One of the reasons I started watching ROH, him beating Adam Cole to win the title.
It’s such a shame now.
Rance is very well connected in the Florida wrestling scene.
funny how cornette went radio silent about michael elgin but if omega so much as sneezes the wrong way, he’ll yell about it from the mountain tops
Cornette is such a hypocrite I can't respect him.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 You can respect his knowledge of wrestling history while also finding him to be a shit person.
He probably isn't aware of Mike. Probably hasn't been made aware of it. Plus Kenny is an untrained tool.
you mean like how Kenny has supported Rance financially and how Meltzer never said a word about it?
I haven’t heard Cornette speak a word about Michael Elgin in recent memory and nor have I heard Mike Elgin speak about Cornette. That list bit can’t be said for Omega now can it?
Man I remember on Saturday night we were in the comments talking about Michael Elgin. You work quick much respect to you
Hannibal or "blood hunter" should be on a future episode
This series is great. If there’s a 3rd one, I think you should talk about Jake Atlas and Hardbody Harrison.
The fact Rance was smiling on that rap sheet is disturbing
FACTS.
I wasn’t a fan of Velveteen Dream at all but it was surprising that he was like that.. these days you can’t put anything past anyone no matter how much one likes him…
Velveteen Dream was going to be the Prince of WWE but man. . . Talk about a disappointment
Loving this series.
More of this please.
FACTS loving this series too.
Dream was one of the great homegrown talents of the golden era of NXT. Wish things went differently
I still vote for New Jack, since he tried to legitimately KILL two of his opponents in the ring before.
New Jack was more of a work than people realize.
Grimes couldve killed New Jack and left him with serious permanent damage, Grimes got what he had coming
@@razieltalos Dude, New Jack pulled him off the scaffold. So, he did that to himself in my opinion. Plus, how can you explain him STABBING someone in the ring?! KLet alone excuse that!?
@@nicholaschristie8699 the first stabbing was because the guy asked Jack to cut him and Jack cut to deep .... the second was because his opponent was stiffing him and legit hurt Jack in the ring and he fought back
@@bluarcher4424 So, because someone was punching him a wittle too hward, that gives him the right to commit murder?!
Velveteen Dream was incredibly over in nxt and now with triple h running things he would've been an enormous star but sadly he was his own worst enemy
nah, he's still burying folds.. old habits die hard... just ask Theory...
@@ShiftaelV2 Theory was a Vince guy, Dream was a Hunter guy
@@ShiftaelV2 theory fine
When Elgin posted his RUclips video about going away, I really thought he was going to end his life so I contacted every wrestler I know to contact him. He recently started posting again and since he follows me on IG I finally had a talk with him and he said he was going to end his life but couldn't leave his kid
Dang I hope elgin gets the helps he needs because I knew he was going through some rough times after he left impact wrestling.
New Jack and Lars Sullivan are two guys who deserve to be in one of these videos
Marty Scurll too
@@ayoubazargui5729 was Marty Proven??? Just wondering?
New Jack was a work.
New jack is loved in the wrestling community
New Jack was a model citizen & amazing man
Imagine all the shit Elgin got into, and it's shoplifting that ends him. 🤣
What Yoshiko Hirano did to Act Yasukawa should definitely be included on the next video. I couldn't believe what I was watching when it happened and have not been able to watch it again.
She’s been on a redemption tour tho, this is about ppl who are still blacklisted to this day
Ideas for a part 3:
Alberto Del Rio
Ryback
Sunny
Lars Sullivan
Buck Zumhofe
Why Ryback? other than whining about the wwe and doing asmr eating shit i havent heard of him doing anything.
I'm glad the Velveteen Dream one happened when it did. Would've been worse if he was around for longer and got more power in the WWE and more beloved by fans before this happened.
I remember Chasyn on season 3 of Tool Academy. He had been bragging about being a wrestler, and that he was so good and got so many girls because of it but he walked off the show because another contestant, a woman there with her gf, beat him in shoot wrestling. He got so butt hurt over it.
I remember that episode, but I had no idea that was the same guy. It all makes sense now
david starr and jordan devlin feel like they belong in the same episode
Jordan Devlin is now JD McDonagh on NXT and is still getting pushed in the NXT title scene
@@shawnlusby1538 JD McDontGoogleMe- Kevin Owens
Patrick Clark had all the potential to be a mega star but blew it all away
I worked with Elgin, and it's sad. He was a real nice guy in the back around 2008 but I honestly think the large amount of head injuries that have gone undiagnosed plus untreated mental health caused his downfall.
Years ago on the kevin steen show he was bragging about pissing on a girl and making her cry and laughing about it. It seems he was always like that
I feel sad for his wife MsChief more though and his kids, that they had to learn he did this stuff
@@egpmh2891 he likes does that to them too
When he posted his RUclips video about going away, I really thought he was going to end his life so I contacted every wrestler I know to contact him. He recently started posting again and since he follows me on IG I finally had a talk with him and he said he was going to end his life but couldn't leave his kid.
@@wrestlingwithart awww that sucks, yes he did a bad thing but he did lose his career that's when people need to him be on it I am glad he stayed his kid will need him
holy shit the Chasyn thing is just nuts, how the fuck are people still fine with him being anywhere near minors
yikes, that chasyn segment makes my skin crawl...
You should do a video on Darby allins allegations
I’m just waiting for Marty Scurll. Similar to dream he had an insane amount of potential as a younger star, but had to go and ruin it all with dumb choices.
I’ve been waiting for Marty to pop up on here too
Bro good job because We needed this
If you´re doing more of these, you should do ones on Abdullah the Butcher (for giving at least one other wrestler Hepatitis C on purpose and ruining his life), Bruiser Bedlam (for being a hardcore gang member that actually murdered people) and Rob Black from XPW (for trying to have one of his own wrestlers killed, after he left his company, along with many other horrible deeds). Compared to the wrestlers from the old days, today´s wrestlers are angels in comparison.
The Abdullah thing was never proven AFAIK.
Whenever I hear Abdullah The Butcher I think of Jackass Bad Grandpa when Johnny Knoxville says he loved Abdullah The Butcher after doing an atomic elbow drop
@@TimTE01 well he was found liable in a civil suit and was ordered to pay that other POS wrestler Hannibal money.
Great suggestions! 🤟
Dude, this series is AWESOME. Once, again, well done!
You should definitely talk about Marty Scurll next. I see people say to bring him back to promotions for too often considering what he did.
might as well ad david starr to the list.
@@R3QV13m Marty Scurll, David Starr, Jack Gallagher, Jimmy Havoc etc
@sebastous red revenge took advantage of a 16 year old girl at a party when he was 28
@@TooTrueHeart makes me glad that i tuned out of wrestling for the longest time. Seeing a bunch of them end up becoming terrible human beings leaves me with a sense of shame for even liking them in the first place.
@@Jesusblowsme666 By no means are you a bad person for liking them, nor does it connect you to what they did. They went into wrestling and chose to do what they did. That's on them and now they're paying for it.
Isn't Chasyn the guy who send a few wrestling rings for AEW because he is a friend of Kenny Omega?
yep
@@timmutohfan yep but omega is the greatest wrestler in the world right? lol chasyn sounds and looks like a total creep
It was a CEOxNJPW event. Kenny is from Canada and lived in Japan at the time I doubt he ever met Chasyn or knew much about him. Chasyn is just one of the "go to" guys for ring rentals in Florida even though he's a child rapist. Wrestling is just scummy and gross.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the physical abuse allegations by Elgins current girlfriend, the restraining order byhis ex wife, MsCheif and his disappearance and attempted suicide.
Buck Zumhofe is one you could probably talk about.
You could also do this wrestler named James “Jim” Brown.
He wrestled under the names James Wallace & “Flawless” Jay Phoenix.
Long story short, let’s just say he had some flaws…
Didn't "Rock and Roll" Buck Zumhofe have an ongoing sexual relationship with his own daughter? Also, you can include Marty Jannety in there too since he wanted to have a sexual relationship with his daughter once he found that she wasn't actually his and was adopted
@@shawnlusby1538 Yep that’s Buck. Didn’t know that about Jannety , pretty disgusting stuff
@@elijahloveell8809 father knows best. 🤮
Grizzly Smith is another degenerate, and one who had plenty of southern cops in his pocket as he'd book and pay them as security in exchange for favors.
Drake wuertz, del rio, david starr, tessa, jaxson ryker, ryback, amd possibly cm punk but theres a lot more especially 80s to 90s
I'm still mad at velveteen dream for going out the way he did. what a way to throw your future out the window.
I would say new jack, but like, everything about his brand of fuckernuts is well documented.
That said, I would like to see one on Enzo Amore. I never really understood the whole situation with him, how much was accusation and how much actually happened, and I bet I'm not alone.
For the next video could you talk about Travis Banks and his abuse towards Mille McKenzie. I find it sickening that he's still wrestling in small tier indie promotions in Mexico, just like Chasyn Rance!
P.S. Love your content big fan!
Yeah that was disturbing.
Thank god somebody else has called out Rance 🤢🤢 I mentioned this yesterday I find it weird RUclipsrs seem to ignore all he does just because he has a friendship with omega.
@@jakehowell3069 Yea that's pretty insane they don't bring him up often. Seriously, wrestling promoters should do thorough background checks of who they're booking, I just found out he wrestled matches in NJPW (probably thanks to Omega, emphasis on probably), WCPW/Defiant wrestling, and GCW.
@@Prowres4life Brian Last on Cornettes podcast always alludes to if the public knew certain things about Omega he would pretty much be done but Last never says what those things are, it always makes me wonder if it has something to do with Rance every time he brings it up
@@robdurfee6861 Wonder why Brain never says it?
Could we get an episode on Mike Quackenbush?
I'm surprised that I had to scroll so long to see his name. Quackenbush definitely needs to be in a future video. You could probably make an hour long video on people whose careers were ended or altered by the Speaking Out movement.
Disturbing stuff about team vision dojo. That a convicted sex offender would be allowed to train a 16 year old girl. Not many comments about that. Very disappointing all around.
The sign I knew Elgin was in trouble. Winning the Never Openweight Championship only to lose it a few days later.
The Speaking Out gang should be next. Starr, Scurll, and the like. Could get a whole episode just from June 2020 lol
I went to high school with Patrick, we were a grade apart. He was someone I considered a friend-- that ended up going sideways, but I never suspected him to be that kind of guy.
wow i didnt thought i'd get part two so fast after the last video.
I love this idea as a monthly series, it’s awesome seeing how far your channel has come
I recommend everybody's favorite chinless wonder for an episode on here. It's a James Ellsworth that I'm referring to
tessa blanchard,austin aries and marty scurll should be the next episode
Even John Cena praised Velveteen Dream, you know you’re something special when John Cena praises you and even wanted to have a future Wrestlemania match. That just sucks looking back now.
Please do a video on Matt "Doink" Bourne. He deserves alot more recognition. Very good technical wrestler.
Fabulous Moolah.
Jake Roberts' dad.
Buzz Sawyer.
Dream broke my heart, talk about talent gone to waste.
Velveteen Dream would have been a star if he’d have kept the Velveteen Peen put away.
If I may play devil's advocate here for a second:
There is a grey area of Speaking Out. I'm not condoning any disgusting action but there are some people out there who just want to see people's lives and careers go up in flames. There have been multiple ALLEGED accusations against many wrestlers including Jordan Devlin, Jimmy Havoc, Wolfgang, Darby Allin, Kongo Kong, Scotty Davis, Will Ospreay and others and, apart from Havoc as he retired, they've all resumed their wrestling careers and are still wrestling today in some capacity. While some were justified and allegations have proven to be true through admittion such as the cases with Paul Robinson and Travis Banks, a lot of them were just accused and then the wrestler threatened legal action, then they were either suspended or taken off TV or simply nothing happened and the kept on going with their career.
All I'm saying is that while many wrestlers have quite rightly been exposed and have admitted their actions, there are many allegations that have little evidence or simply none at all to back it up and hence we don't know the full extent of them, if they happened at all. Maybe you can discuss this in your next Degenerates video.
Have you considered doing an episode on less contemporary wrestlers, such as; Buddy Lee, Grizzly Smith, Fabulous Moolah and Terry Gavin.
If he starts doing old wrestlers, he’ll have material for decades.
I don’t want to hear another word about Grizzly Smith. That Dark Side episode made me nauseous. Dude deserves a Disney pass straight to Hell with no blackout dates.
Bruh I watched the first one right before I slept and now I wake up and see this 😂
I think Team Vision Dojo's statement was written by Chasyn Rance himself. Lol.
That last dude......WHAT THE HECK!?!? How are people okay with that? He must be very well connected or something because that's just weird how he's getting away with that and people know!!
the rumor is he is the drug connect for many wrestlers
Yes so glad this video is out! Please keep them coming very interesting
The Velveteen Dream one still pisses me off he was one of my favorites, he had all the tools to be a top guy in WWE and he pissed it all away.
David Starr, Marty Jannetty, Jimmy Havoc
Buck Zumhofe
Waiting to see if you have the guts to mention Adam Blampied in a future video of this series 👀
Is he a wrestler?
@@marcioruas4036 he's wrestling adjacent. Was part of at least 2 RUclips wrestling channels and it came out he was grooming fans from what I remember. He also made a video admitting to it. Not sure if he's back or not.
@@daveb947 I know who he is, but he's not a wreslter. If you want videos about creeps there's plenty of those on RUclips. A wrestling youtuber doesn't need to be in a Top 10 Wrestling video
@@marcioruas4036 OK. To be fair, it's kinda hard to tell if someone truly doesn't know that person or is questioning something through text though. lol.
@@daveb947 He resides over on PartsFunknown these days. I thought he got into some serious heat with Whatculture & whatever other channel he was a part of.
Chasyn writes those statements himself and pretends that it’s someone on his “team”. It’s the worst kept secret in the business. He also had a signed form bc his rich connected wine mommy got the judge to give him the special privilege of allowing him to work with children. I actually met the guy trying to find somewhere to train without knowing his story. He’s up front about it happening, but seems to me that he diminishes the severity of his actions IMO. If he just didn’t work with minors. I really wouldn’t care that much although I think he’s gross. If he’s training adults that’s fine. The fact he’s still training MINORS is unacceptable to me.
Oh and then by me just saying that I didn’t think it was appropriate for him to work with minors and that I found it creepy to do so, and not attacking him personally or calling him any untrue names, he told me I was weak, oh dear, the man who can’t control his inhibitions and blames the mother of the preteen he drunkenly SA’d for getting the cops involved as if that’s not what any good parent should do thinks I’m weak. Good thing I’ve moved out of the state and can easily find somewhere less morally shaky to train.
Buck Zumhofe and Bob Sweetan.
Don’t forget to include Nia Jax, Nash Carter/Zachery Wentz, and even Nick Gage, I guess
PART 3 PLEASE, I love it when the wrestlers are so sussy
We need a part 3‼️
Idea for part 3. Dustin McPhetridge (if you know, you know)
I'm surprised that you didn't bring up the Rance and Teddy Hart connection. You should look into that one. Unfortunately i don't remember the details to well, but I know it was on youtube
You know what, I can forgive someone who learned from their mistakes but when that mistake is being a sexual predator against CHILDREN and then you barely even get punished for it? Nah dude.
Maybe you could divide future installments of this into specific degeneracy:
Sex pests
Violent psychopaths
Bank-addicted drug robbers
Screwers of the business
Ryback
People asking for New Jack and Grizzly Smith, there are entire episodes of DotR on them..
8:28 To Catch a Predator Wrestling Edition
So turns out that during the house show run before he became the velveteen dream his gimmick was that he was a Donald trump supporter
How does a sex offender work with minors when the law states you cant when on the registry that is so sick
Elgin use to be in Saint Louis I use to see him a lot him and his wife use to work the Indy’s here and train here
Killer series thus far keep it up man.
Great Video. I think you should talk about New Jack!!
I would be interested in the full story of what happenrd to "The Villain" Marty Scurll.
@sebastous red revenge
I do not know the whole story, hence the request, but apparently a bunch of stuff came out about people he trained during #speakingout in 2020 and he hasn't been wrestling since.
love this series!!!
Can you do the ASF case?!
I wanted to train at real vision in Orlando cause it’s the best for my price range and it’s the closest but I don’t wanna work with that creep ever
This is going to be interesting.
The holy algorythm brought me to this and Part 1, nice work. You got yourself 2 likes and a new sub, kind Sir. Will check your other videos out. Keep up the good work.
It's almost like Rance being arrested, convicted, and going through all those steps somehow exonerated him in a way that it all still hanging over Joey Ryan or Velveteen Dream hasn't. Not saying I approve, but it's interesting.
So basically the "he said-she said" ruined the careers of the 1st two, and the last one that was actually Convicted is doing fine and still training minors?
I am confused 🤔😵💫