Joey Pastrana well, when Russo was in charge they hit their lowest, they were actually recovering a little bit when they were sold, surprisingly John Laurinaitis was the one who stabilized the booking.
The removal of the 6-sided ring was the death of TNA. They took away their defining characteristic and after that, the WCW Doom Squad's gall finished the job.
@@westnile21 Didn't say that, and originality is irrelevant to the argument. The 6-sided ring is what TNA was known for and propped up the company for as many years as it could. Also, nothing about wrestling is original... in ANY company...
The thing is many wrestlers who went through TNA hated the 6 sided ring. The biggest and most common complaint was a lot stiffer then a standard four sided ring. But it was unique, separated them from the rest and it brought the toy makers to look into TNA. But ultimately what caused the downfall was really Bischoff/Hogan era that started in 2009. TNA missed out on Heyman prior to this and to this day is one of the greatest "What If?" questions in wrestling.
As someone who grew up a big TNA fan in the 2000s, it’s so sad to see the downwards spiral they went on throughout the 2010s decade and how irrelevant they are now. They exist the same way MySpace still exists.
Today if you are observing the scene of professional wrestling, today the very same TNA/ Impact wrestling acts as feeder system for wrestlers to jump to AEW or WWE or to some extent NWA as well John Morrison, Ec3, Lashley went to wwe after making names for themselves in TNA. Half of NWA roster comprises of former TNA/Impact wrestlers like Nick Aldis, Eli drake or James Storm. For that matter tag teams like Lucha bros or a part of inner circle which comprises former Lax made name for themselves in Impact for american audience before they jumped ship to AEW. It is rumored that Brian Cage may join Aew once he recovers from injury.
@@PaulDoe79 After WCW ended but before TNA started. He did have 3 matches in WWE , 2 were in January 2002 when he wrestled Hurricane on Metal/Jakked and Rico on Heat to losses. His only win is against Rick Michaels in a non-televised match in July 2001. But wouldn''t turly debut in WWE until years later after making a name for himself in TNA, ROH (Styles never was ROH World Champion) and Japan. ruclips.net/video/LnmTL8m-xPE/видео.html - his match against Rick Michaels ruclips.net/video/XtEKe2YWOKg/видео.html - his match against Rico ruclips.net/video/y1h3JCirtuU/видео.html - his match against Hurricane
@@PaulDoe79 He was in Japan doing the Bullet Club stuff for a few years. I'd say the death of TNA was the day when Magnus was made TNA world champion, winning it from AJ in possibly the worst booked match in TNA history.
@Zombies8MyPizza I remember watching TNA back in late 2010/early 2011 and it was good. But I think that's around the time Eric Bischoff came in and ruined it. Surprisingly Vince Russo was doing well over there before they came in.
I remember I accidentally found tna in 2006 while flipping channels. It was the day after wwe great American bash. I turned the channel and saw a familiar face. It was Christian. Then rhino and Tomko also came out. A lot of wwe former stars helped draw me to the company. I watched the growth of the company for the next 5 years, and then all of sudden, all the magic just fell off for me.
CPGoat #3 crazy cause I remember seeing them in 2006 doing the exact same thing , the 6 sided ring had me so confused I couldn’t help but keep watching
Christian was one of my personal favs when he wrestled, him being there allowed me to witness the great young talent that they had. plus that 6 sided ring was eye catching and lethal lockdown became one of my favorite PPVs they had on.
Abys was offered WWE and a feud with The Undertaker, but he knocked it back as he wanted to be part of a company that was being built, prob regrets that now.
@William Joseph Blazkowicz abyss took big bumps he is a legend yes he looks like a mankind/Kane copy but that was a inspiration tna died in 2010 hasn't been good since until the big TV deal and superstars signing with them like Austin aries Jessica havok rosemary and sami callihan and then Legends like Tommy dreamer then steiner returning
@William Joseph Blazkowicz You got that right..... As soon as dude said "offered a feud with Undertaker" I'm thinking for real? That is way too obvious because he looks like a mashup of Kane and Mankind
The one argument I’ll make, that added to TNA fall. It was just a pit for former wwe guys, the young guys like in WCW never got to see the world title picture
I do agree that Tara was amazing in TNA. The best part is, I actually met her last year and took a photo with her. I even asked her which company she believed treated her better. She said TNA was better. She's a sweetheart and I hope she's doing well.
True,she was always a beast in the ring and had the bad luck of being in wwe when they treated women's wrestling like a T&A joke. Speaking of,she was smokin hot too,,,
My heart still breaks when I think of TNA hiring the retirement center, and moving to Mondays. All they needed to do was what they were. Have a few WWE players (Angle, and Christian Cage) Then build talent of your own. The whole reason people fell in love with them was because you saw rising stars, and overlooked talent. Also getting rid of the six sided ring was the nail in the coffin. The six sided ring was what drew people in, and made people stop flipping when it popped on your TV. Man 2004 to 2008 TNA was awesome. It looks like they are doing decent now, and building back up. We will never see the success they had in the spike days again. Frankly I don’t consider Impact today as the same promotion.
You left out that Russo also had a hand in TNA Getting kicked off of Destination American and later admitted it on his podcast before eventually deleting said podcast.
My thing is, why would you bring in ppl that already killed one wrestling company to run yours? Yeah they beat wwe for a min but they still lost. I'd wanna be nothing like wcw or WWE, I hope aew keeps doing there own thing
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Aew is doing the same mistakes of tna or wcw buy buying the former disgruntled employees of WWE or are poaching talent from impact or RoH. That is why its first 2 world champion are wwe alumini
I remember stumbling on TNA on some random sports channel (not espn), and got hooked. I remeber it was at like 3 pm so after school I'd rush to watch. I was hyped when they went to spike tv. I was one of the people that saw TNA on that monday night war and continued until the left spike. I never found those channels they went to. That's when TNA died to me.
They had great story lines and matches from about 2004-2007. AJ Styles vs Christopher Daniels vs Samoa Joe for the X division title was awesome, Samoa Joe's Undefeated streak leading to him vs Kurt Angle too. Christian winning the NWA title for the first time those were great days of TNA
Vince Russo killed two different wrestling companies and probably would've killed WWE too if Cornette, JR, and McMahon hadn't been there to keep him on a leash. He is to wrestling what Alex Kurtzman is to Star Trek.
Depends on what you consider going somewhere. By the time he came in the company was on a downward spiral and left a really bad taste for the fans. But with Dixie TNA never had a true hope to become something big. When she knew her role they had a chance but once she made her moves to take control it was doomed.
In the end we have Dixie Carter to blame. She hired Bischoff, Hogan, and Russo. And to risk losing Spike TV and it's distribution power over hiring Russo was a stupid move.
TNA didn’t lose Spike over Russo. The network has denied that in the years since. TNA lost spike because of Dixie taking the network for granted despite all it did for the company. Spike went above and beyond for TNA lots of times without appreciation. They paid for international shoes, paid for some wrestlers, and even paid for the rebranding project to impact. They did all of that without owning any equity of the company and when they tried to buy equity Dixie wouldn’t accept a reduced role and killed the deal. And after all of that Dixie demanded a big rights increase from the network and they decided they were done. And then she tried to reverse course but the network was done with the company. Russo is just the fun excuse but wasn’t the real reason. Dixie taking the network for granted for years is what cost them Spike, especially once they had Bellator to focus on instead. People want to throw the blame at lots of people but every issue the company eventually had boils down to Dixie in the end.
Look at how Dixie handled destination America as an example. She sent an email lambasting the network to a bunch of its executives and her primary issue was that they didn’t publish the DVR numbers of the show. And what a stupid thing to be pissed about. The revenue of viewership is for advertisers. The idea that DVR numbers would be big for advertisers, considering DVR results in skipping ads, says all anybody needs to know about how Dixie handled business.
Dixie Carter was an outsider and made decisions that sounded good on paper. She can't be blamed entirely for the downfall. It is hogan, bischoff and russo and jeff jarrett who ruined the company how they ruined WCW
If you really think about it, TNA/Impact is twice the age of WCW & ECW. What I noticed is they gotten quite a bit of support from Canadian and Mexican promotions. Unbelievable their still functioning.
Nowadays they're actually going pretty strong. Sure they won't ever compete with wwe and any company that tries to do that will fall short by quite a bit, but they are doing really well now because they're not trying to directly compete with the E. Aew seems to be going strong right now too since they're not trying to compete with wwe. The lesson? Do your thing and be your own model if your starting a wrestling company. Don't try and be another copy. (I'm just a fan of wrestling as a whole and dont favour one brand over another)
wcw was Jim Crockett Promotions Founded in 1931 Jim Crockett Promotions become WcW Like TNA become IMPACT Ted Turner Buy Jim Crockett Promotions And he changed the name Like what Anthem did to TNA
@@nWo4life Jim Crockett Productions was under NWA which is where the likes of Rick Flair, Sting, Steiner Brothers, and Brian Pillman came from. When Ted Turner bought Jim Crockett Productions, it was renamed World Championship Wrestling and retained its main roster of NWA wrestlers while becoming independent of NWA. TNA/Impact has been around for under 20 years now. WCW as a company made it past the 20 year mark, and if you date it back to the NWA/Crockett Productions, you're looking at more than 60 years.
To me it's like if the Undertaker left in the early 00s. Just a guy you associate with the company so much leaving to wrestle somewhere else is such a spiritual blow to the company.
To me they repeated the same mistakes that wcw made by bringing Hogan and bitchoff(bisvhoff) in. Scott Steiner called Eric that in wcw before it went out. But tna kinda repeated the mistakes wcw made.but adding another putting Dixie Carter in control then bringing in Russo,Hogan and bisvhoff in to.
@@LBOneOfKindElite 🤣🤣🤣Do you remember a segment where Dixie says "I WANT YOU'RE SHARES!" I forgot who she was talking to but her and Brooke's acting was so tough to bare
You missed the reason I stopped watching which was when I noticed there was less than 10% of the show of actual fights (not matches as that would have been lower) in a complete episode. That's when it went through its T(alking)N(ot)A(ction) phase.
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." This doesn't just go for professional wrestling; it's happened in the other major sports over the years. The ABA with the NBA...the USFL with the NFL...XFL and NFL. In a couple of cases the alternative league actually had a good thing going because of the things that were unique to the alterative league itself. It was until they tried to compete with the tried and true established league that they failed. That's never going to work...EVER! I don't understand why Bishoff, Hogan and Russo didn't understand that to begin with unless...they were there to sabotage it in the first place.
In regards to the 3 aforementioned, its just plain ole narcissism then again who knows it may have been them intentionally being sent to destabilize TNA
There's quite a bit of misinformation here. Russo did not book most of the segments you speak of. For example, The electified cage match was booked by Dutch Mantell. This was low-key confirmed by Jim Cornette who admitted that as much as he hates Russo, Vince did not book those segments but refused to say who booked them. Jeff Jarrett (who was on his way out at the time) also said Russo didn't book those segments. Dixie Carter in a later shoot did say those were the work of Dutch. Mantell denies it tho.
What do you expect from this channel he's a anti Russo mark as well as a anti Hogan, Anti Bischoff, and anti McMahon mark It's why the clown took shots at Vince McMahon in the beginning despite the video is about the downfall of TNA
I didn't really follow TNA too closely during the "Billy Corgan era." Now in the past various people have claimed that Corgan was hard to work with, but it sounds like he was really a big wrestling fan, he had some experience in the indy scene and he really tried to "save" the company, but they ended up screwing him over too. so I can't blame him too much...
@@Babygirlly555 where in my comment did I say they were number 2 still! all I said was that Impact Wrestling is financially stable & isn't in any bad position. they've made good changes not bad. over th last two years Impact has changed and fixed themselves.
At one point Tna was legitimately manufacturing "stars". Aj Styles, Samoa Joe, Bobby Rude. Even if you never watched Tna you knew of those names because of their star power.
Didn't start watching tna until early 2016 during the broken hardy era, loved the final deletion fight and the feud between the broken hardys and decay. Also loved the era of tna from 2002 to 2009 before hogan, bischoff and dixie carter ruined it. The x division matches around that time were really good, styles daniels and joe, and the ultimate x matches were my favorite x division matches, and the tag team division was really good, especially beer money, team 3d and motor city machine guns
you keep saying these 3 destroyed wcw but u also forget that its those same 3 ( i would say mostly hogan and bishoff ) that brought WCW to their highest and surpassing WWF. wich also brought us attitude era. also its not about beating WWE, its about having a profitable ecosystem. i agree they made bad moves ( like going to monday nights lol ) tho.
Yeah I remember Jim Cornette talked about the insane stuff that Russo did in TNA. Jim Cornette also mentioned that Russo caused a lot of problems for TNA and nearly ruined Jeff and Jerry's relationship. The only time that I really watched Impact was when Jeff Hardy was there for a 2nd time after 2009 when he did his Willow gimmick and TNA was still on Spike at that time.
Brit here. In the early-mid 2000s, TNA was the only wrestling we could get on telly that was cheap or free (i.e., not part of an expensive satellite or 'cable' package). So most of my pre/teen memories of televised U.S. wrestling are of TNA. I have a nostalgic fondness for them, and am glad that the company have in a way limped on via Impact.
@@remixchild I want to hate on her, but If you're Karate Teacher is a macho ego maniac, you're going to be that as well. I just don't think she had the best advice when it came to Wrestling. Who ever told that Very Attractive Woman to become a Villian was mistaken. I'm not saying Attractive women can't be villains, I just wasn't buying it, just wasn't her. She paid her dues that smash through the table by Bubba wasn't enough for me to give her some respect. Sometimes Wrestling can gets so stuck on Villians they make everyone one become one even if dosent fit.
A lot of WWE people went to TNA because they were not being treated right. Victoria aka Tara was jobbing to the Bella Twins every week on Smackdown till she had enough and announced her retirement one night surprising & shocking every one. She had planned to go to MMA till Dixie talked her to come and try Impact. She was treated better there. Several others followed.
That probably played a role but a lot of WWE vets went there because TNA paid well for a super light schedule compared to WWE. Prichard has said that for a lot of wrestlers in TNA they were making around 80% of what they would’ve been for a similar level of role in the WWE. If you could do that with the schedule that would be a solid option. Then think of the top stats like sting or angle who made seven figures with that light schedule. That would be really tempting compared to the schedule WWE was running if the money was still solid. A lot of others went there simply because it was the other job available and then went back to WWE once their contract was done in TNA.
You're right about that I just wish they made better decisions and did not hire Russo back It makes sense now that like I got confused when I was younger about all the sudden title changes like every other week it seemed like somebody I like would win the title and then lose it a week later which made no sense now it makes sense
I can half agree with this. On one hand it was so unique. On the other, it was better for the talent, many of whom were used to 4 sides. I even remember what AJ Styles said in interviews about how the 6 sided ring has much less give than the 4 sided.
Thank you!! This was a great video, and my god was I happy to see Christian as you’re number 2! He was so great in TNA. He showed his potential during his run there
When they were an alternative to WWE, they were great. When they were a cheap ripoff of WWE, they were fuckin terrible. They had so much potential it hurts, and were meant to have grown into what AEW is now. And with the right people in charge, they would have, as they did so many things right... Great young talent, a legit main event scene, innovative ring work... But they squandered that potential, made some awful decisions, and just couldn't break the very low ceiling they held over their own heads. A damn shame. I can't believe it's still actually limping along.. but who knows, this recent AEW invasion angle might lead down some interesting paths..
@@nathancardenas2719 and plus the fact like aew fans, they also seemed to take criticism personal, you can't take shit then say ,"well you must be a wwe mark" 🙄 life doesn't always work that way
Never understood ratings battles. Why air on the same night and risk losing your viewership? Just air on a different night, when fans of both companies could watch both.
TNA got a 2.2 against WWE, not too shabby when you look at AEW bragging about getting, at most, 1.2 against NXT. TNA had almost the same ratings after that than AEW has now, but AEW is such a success. Just like TNA when AEW had their highest rating was when they launched, it had gone down ever since. But....the Demo, lmao..
I remember seeing a video on Myspace or RUclips back in the day with Chris sabin, Alex Shelley n some other than wrestlers smoking weed (back when weed wasn't legal at all lol). Now I can't find that video it sucks
I used to love TNA, and I watched it every week when they were on ppv and when they got a network deal. As long as they were showcasing fresh and new talent I was happy. Once they started bring in washed-up WWE and WCW guys is when I didn't want to watch it anymore. That is my one concern about AEW. Everyone who leaves WWE ends up in AEW now, and that is gonna make me lose interest if it keeps happening.
My Top 10 Singles 1. AJ Styles 2. Sting 3. Samoa Joe 4. Awesome Kong 5. Jay Lethal 6. Abyss 7. Mickie James 8. Eric Young 9. ODB 10. Amazing Red/Raven (tie) Tag Teams 1. 3 Live Cru 2. LAX 1 3. AMW 4. Team 3D 5. MCMG 6. Bad Influence 7. Lethal Consequences 8. Triple X 9. Beautiful People 10. Chavo & Hernandez
Okay I have some beef with the video, though I think over all it was fairly good but 3 things stood out to me: #1 you never mentioned the reason TNA left Discovery Communications was because Dixie Carter sent out an e-mail ripping their CEO that was accidently sent out publicly instead of private. It turns out she hit the "send all" button on that e-mail that went out everywhere instead of just a few people. #2) Among the many reasons Vince Russo was let go was that Japanese promoters felt he was racist and refused to work with TNA as long as he was there. And Vince also sent out an e-mail stating he was working for the company but instead of sending it to Mike Tenay it got sent to Mike Johnson of PW Insider who of course printed it and soured relations with TNA's TV promoter. #3) you list your fav wrestlers in TNA and one of them was Christian. You go on to berate WWE for not using him properly and that he had two short runs as WWE champion but you go on and on about how he was not treated right. But you don't mention that one of his championship runs was cut short because (I believe it was Alberto Del Monte el Patron) gave him a nasty concussion during the match. And the whole reason he had a poor run in WWE was due to the fact that he had Post Concussive Syndrome and literally could not work.
Hogan and Co stripping TNA of their identity and becoming WWE lite. Dixie was not a leader either and even some rubbish Russo came up with was still at least entertaining.
Naquin Green good comment but I want to point out that Russo was hired back to TNA actually in late 2006 not 2009. TNA was already Russo-fied in a way before Bischoff/Hogan got there if you watch 2007-08 TNA with the gimmick matches, characters and storylines. Shit the first think he did was at Genesis was book Abyss to win the NWA World Title from Sting via DQ lol
Naquin Green yeah good point. Although Russo ruined the Knockouts division once Dutch Mantel left, that was more in Dixie and management for not paying their female talent. Shit Taylor Wylde was Champ when she was working at Sunglass hut as a part time job because they weren’t paying her right and many others.
At least they didn't make David Arquette the World Champion. I'm of the mindset that TNA was better BEFORE becoming a landing spot for former WWE wrestlers. Except Kurt Angle. He and Samoa Joe had some classics.
I started watching it around when Magnus beat AJ Styles in 2014 ( I was 10 years old at the time). I thought it was an alternative for WWE, and I really enjoyed it when Eric Young beat Magnus for the world title. However, I stopped watching it in 2017 when the Hardys left TNA for WWE, after that, nothing in the brand really clicked for me.
That decision affected impact more than before as later on they found what an unreliable kind of worker Del Rio/ el patron was considering the tantrums, persona life issue was. But thanks to him lucha bros joined Impact because of his inability to show for a event during the mania weekend of 2018.
Dixie Carter and Vince Russo f**ked up and ruined TNA. I mean, their endless potshots against WWE (including Shane Douglas badmouthing Vince McMahon's Irish American ancestry while offering his managerial services to The Naturals as well as Rhyno and The Dudleys taking shots against the ECW reboot), not to mention Hogan and Bischoff joining were catalysts to the now Impact becoming a shell of what it once was. SMH. In other words, Dixie and Russo have both ruined the former TNA. Therefore, both of them should apologize for ruining Impact. Period.
Remembering watching it in the beginning on PPV. We had cheater boxes so didn’t pay anything but I remember thinking this is like WCW when it was kind of decent. So I enjoyed it.
I don't think TNA could have ever beat Raw, but had they been able to maintain that 2.2 number or somewhere around that they would be a viable alternative but they blew every chance they had
I thought Aces and Eights was a bright spot in the hogan era, I thought the bully ray angle was actually great, but I can understand that people have differing opinions. TNA has some great moments and wrestlers but in the end they could never live up to the hype, but James Storm, AJ Styles, Austin Ares and more were great guys they created.
'The worst women's match of all time' that's actually pretty sad considering that the only time WWE had decent matches with the ladies is when actual wrestlers and not models were wrestling, I kinda expected them to get this title not TNA
AJ Styles was the face of TNA at the start of 2010, and the World Champion. It took Hogan and Bischoff 2 weeks to turn him heel, aligning him with Ric Flair so AJ could be the new Nature Boy (AJ Styles is a devout Christian and was married for 10 years at that point, with 3 Kids). He lost the title 3 months later, and didn't win it back until Hogan and Bischoff had left the company.
"We can compete with WWE like WCW did, we better sign all the old WCW guys bc that worked so well the first time"
and dont forget about hiring Vince "Shitstain" Russo
Russo sucked. Still sux. Helped contribute to the death of owen heart. Yeah I knew TNA would die when they did the same thing wcw did.
@Joey Pastrana at one point he did. He helped collapse wcw.
Joey Pastrana well, when Russo was in charge they hit their lowest, they were actually recovering a little bit when they were sold, surprisingly John Laurinaitis was the one who stabilized the booking.
Is tna still on
The removal of the 6-sided ring was the death of TNA. They took away their defining characteristic and after that, the WCW Doom Squad's gall finished the job.
yup this exactly. Hogan ruined TNA's authenticity
They stole the6 sided ring from AAA in Mexico. Nothing about TNA was original.
@@westnile21 Didn't say that, and originality is irrelevant to the argument. The 6-sided ring is what TNA was known for and propped up the company for as many years as it could. Also, nothing about wrestling is original... in ANY company...
@@westnile21 In this country it is something unique.
The thing is many wrestlers who went through TNA hated the 6 sided ring. The biggest and most common complaint was a lot stiffer then a standard four sided ring. But it was unique, separated them from the rest and it brought the toy makers to look into TNA. But ultimately what caused the downfall was really Bischoff/Hogan era that started in 2009. TNA missed out on Heyman prior to this and to this day is one of the greatest "What If?" questions in wrestling.
As someone who grew up a big TNA fan in the 2000s, it’s so sad to see the downwards spiral they went on throughout the 2010s decade and how irrelevant they are now. They exist the same way MySpace still exists.
Or Tagged 🤣😂
Myspace is still a thing?
Today if you are observing the scene of professional wrestling, today the very same TNA/ Impact wrestling acts as feeder system for wrestlers to jump to AEW or WWE or to some extent NWA as well
John Morrison, Ec3, Lashley went to wwe after making names for themselves in TNA.
Half of NWA roster comprises of former TNA/Impact wrestlers like Nick Aldis, Eli drake or James Storm.
For that matter tag teams like Lucha bros or a part of inner circle which comprises former Lax made name for themselves in Impact for american audience before they jumped ship to AEW.
It is rumored that Brian Cage may join Aew once he recovers from injury.
Impact does have the best womens roster. Tessa, Tara, Kylie Rae etc.
But ROH has now taken its place as the 2nd(3rd after AEW) alternative.
And look what happens to Bobby, EC3 and all the other TNA stars who went to WWE. Only John is doing well (for now).
I still think that one of the biggest blows to TNA was the departure of AJ Styles in late 2013.
I didn't realize he left that early since he didn't come to WWE for years
@@PaulDoe79 After WCW ended but before TNA started. He did have 3 matches in WWE , 2 were in January 2002 when he wrestled Hurricane on Metal/Jakked and Rico on Heat to losses. His only win is against Rick Michaels in a non-televised match in July 2001. But wouldn''t turly debut in WWE until years later after making a name for himself in TNA, ROH (Styles never was ROH World Champion) and Japan.
ruclips.net/video/LnmTL8m-xPE/видео.html - his match against Rick Michaels
ruclips.net/video/XtEKe2YWOKg/видео.html - his match against Rico
ruclips.net/video/y1h3JCirtuU/видео.html - his match against Hurricane
@@PaulDoe79 He was in Japan doing the Bullet Club stuff for a few years. I'd say the death of TNA was the day when Magnus was made TNA world champion, winning it from AJ in possibly the worst booked match in TNA history.
@Zombies8MyPizza I remember watching TNA back in late 2010/early 2011 and it was good. But I think that's around the time Eric Bischoff came in and ruined it.
Surprisingly Vince Russo was doing well over there before they came in.
I remember I accidentally found tna in 2006 while flipping channels. It was the day after wwe great American bash. I turned the channel and saw a familiar face. It was Christian. Then rhino and Tomko also came out. A lot of wwe former stars helped draw me to the company. I watched the growth of the company for the next 5 years, and then all of sudden, all the magic just fell off for me.
CPGoat #3 crazy cause I remember seeing them in 2006 doing the exact same thing , the 6 sided ring had me so confused I couldn’t help but keep watching
Aaron Ethan yessir
Christian was one of my personal favs when he wrestled, him being there allowed me to witness the great young talent that they had. plus that 6 sided ring was eye catching and lethal lockdown became one of my favorite PPVs they had on.
I found it when they had weekly ppvs for $9 watched it on a friends bud satalytte dish.....thats how they first started....
@Adam L tatanka was absolutely in that. Him and Christian both were there bud. Look it up.
Abys was offered WWE and a feud with The Undertaker, but he knocked it back as he wanted to be part of a company that was being built, prob regrets that now.
Liam/Brooke no wwe cancelled the deal because he was arrested for trying to cross the border from Canada into America with drugs.
he works at wwe dude
@William Joseph Blazkowicz abyss took big bumps he is a legend yes he looks like a mankind/Kane copy but that was a inspiration tna died in 2010 hasn't been good since until the big TV deal and superstars signing with them like Austin aries Jessica havok rosemary and sami callihan and then Legends like Tommy dreamer then steiner returning
@William Joseph Blazkowicz loooool
@William Joseph Blazkowicz You got that right..... As soon as dude said "offered a feud with Undertaker" I'm thinking for real? That is way too obvious because he looks like a mashup of Kane and Mankind
The heart of TNA were the X division and Knockout division, once Hogan got involve he buried the heart of TNA. I stopped watching after that
Hogan ruins everything with his creative control. I hope that Tony Khan and AEW have the good sense to turn him down if he ever comes sniffing.
I thought their main even scene from 2006 to 2008 and part of 09 were pretty good
@Lind L Tailor hulk hogan (and linda hogan) are banned from aew. tony khan himself said that
The one argument I’ll make, that added to TNA fall. It was just a pit for former wwe guys, the young guys like in WCW never got to see the world title picture
@@splatstick Hogan would never stoop so low as to go to AFW
I do agree that Tara was amazing in TNA. The best part is, I actually met her last year and took a photo with her. I even asked her which company she believed treated her better. She said TNA was better. She's a sweetheart and I hope she's doing well.
True,she was always a beast in the ring and had the bad luck of being in wwe when they treated women's wrestling like a T&A joke.
Speaking of,she was smokin hot too,,,
Imagine if Angle had stayed in WWE and just took a lil time off to go to rehab. I believe going to TNA only enabled him to destroy himself.
Yeah, letting Angle go was really fucking stupid
Couldn’t make him stay and he didn’t want to rehab
Heard a story while Angle was TNA champion someone ran into him at an airport and asked him why he wasn't wrestling anymore.
Angle had amazing runs and classic feuds than at wwe😏
Lol
My heart still breaks when I think of TNA hiring the retirement center, and moving to Mondays. All they needed to do was what they were. Have a few WWE players (Angle, and Christian Cage) Then build talent of your own. The whole reason people fell in love with them was because you saw rising stars, and overlooked talent. Also getting rid of the six sided ring was the nail in the coffin. The six sided ring was what drew people in, and made people stop flipping when it popped on your TV. Man 2004 to 2008 TNA was awesome. It looks like they are doing decent now, and building back up. We will never see the success they had in the spike days again. Frankly I don’t consider Impact today as the same promotion.
SMH😔
Unfortunately they got rid of the 6 sided ring cause aj styles did say that he prefers the standard ring since he can land safely
The biggest takeaway I got from this is not how far TNA has fallen but how far RAW has fallen since then in ratings.
You left out that Russo also had a hand in TNA Getting kicked off of Destination American and later admitted it on his podcast before eventually deleting said podcast.
Barsteaf
My thing is, why would you bring in ppl that already killed one wrestling company to run yours? Yeah they beat wwe for a min but they still lost. I'd wanna be nothing like wcw or WWE, I hope aew keeps doing there own thing
You Have Low Standards/Expectations & Noone Wants To Be Like Any Smarks, Not Even The Devil. Noone Real Wants To Be Like Any Glorified Indy Promotions. AEW Will Never Be As Big As WCW. AEW Will Never Be Like WCW & It's A Long Way From Being The WWE At It's Best. It Will Really Never Be Like WCW. WCW Never Pushed Vanilla Midgets Nor Small Fat/Skinny Fat/Nonfat/Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Heavyweights Who Weren't That Big-Who Were Heavyweights In Cruiserweights Bodies. There Are So Many WWE Stars That Would've Never Been Pushed In WCW, Whether They're Indy Vanilla Midgets Or Small Fat/Skinny Fat/Nonfat/Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Heavyweights Who Aren't That Big-Who Are Heavyweights In Cruiserweights Bodies. Smarks & Their Waste Of Time Comments Serve No Purpose. AEW Will Never Be As Big As WCW & They Have A Long, Long, Way Before They Can Compete With The WWE At Their Best. They Have A Long Way To Go, Before They Can Even Compete With WCW 2000/2001. They Have A Long Way To Go Before They Can Draw WCW's Lowest Ratings-2.1-2.8. It's Stupid For Tony Khan/AEW Or Any Stupid, Dumb, Crazy, Foolish, Dense, Retarded, Ignorant, Ugly, Fat & Stank'in Smarks To Even Think That AEW Can Possibly Avoid Making The Same Mistakes WCW Made. WCW Was Still & Always Better Than The Attitude Era. AEW Can't Compare To Attitude Era In A Long, Long Time. The WWE Already Made Every Mistake WCW Ever Made & More Mistakes. AEW Are Worse Than The WWE. Everyone From WCW Are Saying, Yes, WCW Could've/Could Never Be As Bad As AEW. AEW Already Made More Mistakes Than WCW. WCW Never Catered To Smarks & If They Were Still Around Today, The Indy Wrestling Garbage Era Would've Never Happened, Unless The WWE & TNA Were Crazy & Stupid Enough To Do It Anyway, Which I Believe They Still Would've. The Coronovirus Is Karma For The Dirty Business Dealings Of All Business People, Politicians, TV Creative Team, & Social Media, Especially The Smarks & Leades Of The Smarks And Most Ignorant Evil Fans. This Will Also Force Vince McMahon To Bring Back WCW Or Sell It. WCW Can Save Sports Entertainment. AEW Can't/Won't Do Anything. It's
Super-Overhyped & Super-Overrated. WCW Should Be Ran By /Sold To Someone Who Won't & Doesn't Believe In Catering To The Smarks; Someone Who Won't Push Indy Vanilla Midgets Nor Small Fat/Skinny Fat/Nonfat/Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Heavyweights Who Aren't That Big-Who Are Heavyweights In Cruiserweights Bodies. Muscles Outweigh Fat. Dominant Fat Wrestlers In Sports Entertainment History Weighed/Weigh 400-800 Pounds And Dominant Tall Skinny Fat/Nonfat/Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Wrestlers Weighed 400-500 Pounds. And One More Thing, Someone Who Won't Try To Make WCW WWE-ite. WCW Is The Real Savior Of Sports Entertainment. It Doesn't Take Curse Words & T&A To Save Sports Entertainment. It Doesn't Take Cussing/Cursing/Swearing & Sex/Nudity In The Women's Division Nor Gimmick Matches(Of Blood & Guts) Between Cruiserweights & Small Fat/Skinny Fat/Nonfat/Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Heavyweights Who Aren't That Big-Who Are Heavyweights In Cruiserweights Bodies To Save Sports Entertainment.
Aew is doing the same mistakes of tna or wcw buy buying the former disgruntled employees of WWE or are poaching talent from impact or RoH.
That is why its first 2 world champion are wwe alumini
@@npd9758 exactly
Vince will never bring back wcw or will he ever sell it.. in reality there's nothing to even sell besides the tapes and why would he do that?
@@npd9758 Don't compare them please. They are not doing the same thing.
I remember stumbling on TNA on some random sports channel (not espn), and got hooked. I remeber it was at like 3 pm so after school I'd rush to watch. I was hyped when they went to spike tv. I was one of the people that saw TNA on that monday night war and continued until the left spike. I never found those channels they went to. That's when TNA died to me.
Right, I stopped following them after they kept bouncing from channels
They had great story lines and matches from about 2004-2007. AJ Styles vs Christopher Daniels vs Samoa Joe for the X division title was awesome, Samoa Joe's Undefeated streak leading to him vs Kurt Angle too. Christian winning the NWA title for the first time those were great days of TNA
"RDV" broke me 🤣
More like DVR bc that's how the few ppl that liked tna watched it on Mondays
Vince Russo killed two different wrestling companies and probably would've killed WWE too if Cornette, JR, and McMahon hadn't been there to keep him on a leash. He is to wrestling what Alex Kurtzman is to Star Trek.
Vince Russo is to wrestling what KFC is to chicken
@@carlosmontesinos1544 kfc is great
@@yeeyeeasshaircut4238 if you're a peasant and don't know what real fried chicken taste like.
@@BlueAmerican26 nice pun
Total BS.
Its like watching WCW die all over again. Still hurts 19 years later
Tell me about it. Can you believe it's already been 19 years? Man I feel old now
Team WCW still to this day.
@@kyledamron Don't remind me😒
@@miaorange I wish I hadnt reminded myself lol
Thanks again Tom for having me on the video
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Yo wrestle with andy love your content
I learnt what tna was when I was about 10 and I remember being fucking astonished that there where other wrestling companies besides WWE 😂
Me too
Corgan’s actually been entirely vindicated as a wrestling mind with his NWA revival. If TNA hadn’t TNAed it they coulda gone somewhere with him
Depends on what you consider going somewhere. By the time he came in the company was on a downward spiral and left a really bad taste for the fans. But with Dixie TNA never had a true hope to become something big. When she knew her role they had a chance but once she made her moves to take control it was doomed.
In the end we have Dixie Carter to blame. She hired Bischoff, Hogan, and Russo. And to risk losing Spike TV and it's distribution power over hiring Russo was a stupid move.
it was because she kept spending a lot of money after every show booker t talks about it on his podcast she did destroy the show as well
TNA didn’t lose Spike over Russo. The network has denied that in the years since. TNA lost spike because of Dixie taking the network for granted despite all it did for the company. Spike went above and beyond for TNA lots of times without appreciation. They paid for international shoes, paid for some wrestlers, and even paid for the rebranding project to impact. They did all of that without owning any equity of the company and when they tried to buy equity Dixie wouldn’t accept a reduced role and killed the deal. And after all of that Dixie demanded a big rights increase from the network and they decided they were done. And then she tried to reverse course but the network was done with the company. Russo is just the fun excuse but wasn’t the real reason. Dixie taking the network for granted for years is what cost them Spike, especially once they had Bellator to focus on instead. People want to throw the blame at lots of people but every issue the company eventually had boils down to Dixie in the end.
Look at how Dixie handled destination America as an example. She sent an email lambasting the network to a bunch of its executives and her primary issue was that they didn’t publish the DVR numbers of the show. And what a stupid thing to be pissed about. The revenue of viewership is for advertisers. The idea that DVR numbers would be big for advertisers, considering DVR results in skipping ads, says all anybody needs to know about how Dixie handled business.
Dixie Carter was an outsider and made decisions that sounded good on paper.
She can't be blamed entirely for the downfall.
It is hogan, bischoff and russo and jeff jarrett who ruined the company how they ruined WCW
What about Billy corgen frome smashing pumpkins what did you think of him
It was a good product from 2002-2007 IMO. They had some of the biggest stars around and great story telling.
hogan's debut, which oozed of monday nitro, and them removing the 6-sided ring. that killed my interest in tna
I still want a "HEBNER: YOUR DAMN RIGHT I DID!" shirt!
TNA early 2000s was awesome, yet Vince ruso screwed that up also!
RIP TNA and WCW
If you really think about it, TNA/Impact is twice the age of WCW & ECW. What I noticed is they gotten quite a bit of support from Canadian and Mexican promotions. Unbelievable their still functioning.
*They're
Nowadays they're actually going pretty strong. Sure they won't ever compete with wwe and any company that tries to do that will fall short by quite a bit, but they are doing really well now because they're not trying to directly compete with the E. Aew seems to be going strong right now too since they're not trying to compete with wwe. The lesson? Do your thing and be your own model if your starting a wrestling company. Don't try and be another copy. (I'm just a fan of wrestling as a whole and dont favour one brand over another)
wcw was Jim Crockett Promotions Founded in 1931
Jim Crockett Promotions become WcW
Like TNA become IMPACT
Ted Turner Buy
Jim Crockett Promotions And he changed the name
Like what Anthem did to TNA
@@nWo4life Jim Crockett Productions was under NWA which is where the likes of Rick Flair, Sting, Steiner Brothers, and Brian Pillman came from. When Ted Turner bought Jim Crockett Productions, it was renamed World Championship Wrestling and retained its main roster of NWA wrestlers while becoming independent of NWA. TNA/Impact has been around for under 20 years now. WCW as a company made it past the 20 year mark, and if you date it back to the NWA/Crockett Productions, you're looking at more than 60 years.
That talk that starts around 27 minutes sounds like he’s struggling to try to balance an Australian and Japanese accent at the same time
It's amazing how they managed to survive all of that and now have recovered enough to the point they are actually getting successful recently
Which means this isn't a "downfall" video. It's more of a rags to riches back to rags video...
Hopefully tna can go back to the way things used to be before Hogan came
It was already doomed when Dixie said 'We want to be the biggest Wrestling promotion'. These things have to happen naturally.
When AJ left that's when shit started to hit the fan real quick
My thoughts too!
@Roborav yeah but AJ was a big part in TNA so when he left most of the fans dipped cuz AJ was the heart and soul of TNA.
@Roborav that's character development for ya
To me it's like if the Undertaker left in the early 00s. Just a guy you associate with the company so much leaving to wrestle somewhere else is such a spiritual blow to the company.
@@walsh9080 Or Sting if left WCW in 99
To me they repeated the same mistakes that wcw made by bringing Hogan and bitchoff(bisvhoff) in.
Scott Steiner called Eric that in wcw before it went out.
But tna kinda repeated the mistakes wcw made.but adding another putting Dixie Carter in control then bringing in Russo,Hogan and bisvhoff in to.
Hogan and Eric bischoff made WCW famous. They just had to much power
Dixie was always in control when she bought majority shares of company from Jarrett in 2002
And yet they had good ratings while Russo was a writer.
Yeah I'd turn the TV whenever Dixie was on😞😞
@@LBOneOfKindElite 🤣🤣🤣Do you remember a segment where Dixie says "I WANT YOU'RE SHARES!" I forgot who she was talking to but her and Brooke's acting was so tough to bare
You missed the reason I stopped watching which was when I noticed there was less than 10% of the show of actual fights (not matches as that would have been lower) in a complete episode. That's when it went through its T(alking)N(ot)A(ction) phase.
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." This doesn't just go for professional wrestling; it's happened in the other major sports over the years. The ABA with the NBA...the USFL with the NFL...XFL and NFL. In a couple of cases the alternative league actually had a good thing going because of the things that were unique to the alterative league itself. It was until they tried to compete with the tried and true established league that they failed. That's never going to work...EVER! I don't understand why Bishoff, Hogan and Russo didn't understand that to begin with unless...they were there to sabotage it in the first place.
In regards to the 3 aforementioned, its just plain ole narcissism then again who knows it may have been them intentionally being sent to destabilize TNA
Thing is several ABA teams joined the NBA
@@razormc954 Kind of like the WCW becoming a part of WWE for a short while...the whole Shane McMahon purchasing WCW deal.
There's quite a bit of misinformation here. Russo did not book most of the segments you speak of. For example, The electified cage match was booked by Dutch Mantell. This was low-key confirmed by Jim Cornette who admitted that as much as he hates Russo, Vince did not book those segments but refused to say who booked them. Jeff Jarrett (who was on his way out at the time) also said Russo didn't book those segments. Dixie Carter in a later shoot did say those were the work of Dutch. Mantell denies it tho.
What do you expect from this channel he's a anti Russo mark as well as a anti Hogan, Anti Bischoff, and anti McMahon mark
It's why the clown took shots at Vince McMahon in the beginning despite the video is about the downfall of TNA
How are you gonna say WCW in their prime and then use that logo?!
30:45 how my dad dresses for parent teacher conference.
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RVD spelled wrong didnt register until they pointed it out. I'm like something isn't right, must've been the dragon distracting me
The fact that wwe considered TNA competition said alot
I didn't really follow TNA too closely during the "Billy Corgan era." Now in the past various people have claimed that Corgan was hard to work with, but it sounds like he was really a big wrestling fan, he had some experience in the indy scene and he really tried to "save" the company, but they ended up screwing him over too. so I can't blame him too much...
If TNA wouldn't made all of these bad changes they would not have been in the position they are now
They still exist. just not in the TNA name. just saying that they are doing better now.
@@itznubz8512 No they're not. AEW is now the new number 2 promotion behind WWE.
@@Babygirlly555 where in my comment did I say they were number 2 still! all I said was that Impact Wrestling is financially stable & isn't in any bad position. they've made good changes not bad. over th last two years Impact has changed and fixed themselves.
@@itznubz8512 Problem is they've built up so much ill will with wrestling fans, that many are not willing to give them another chance.
@@itznubz8512 Way too late though
At one point Tna was legitimately manufacturing "stars". Aj Styles, Samoa Joe, Bobby Rude. Even if you never watched Tna you knew of those names because of their star power.
agree. for awhile i would watch sometimes but knew these names
Didn't start watching tna until early 2016 during the broken hardy era, loved the final deletion fight and the feud between the broken hardys and decay. Also loved the era of tna from 2002 to 2009 before hogan, bischoff and dixie carter ruined it. The x division matches around that time were really good, styles daniels and joe, and the ultimate x matches were my favorite x division matches, and the tag team division was really good, especially beer money, team 3d and motor city machine guns
You know what they say about guys that speak the loudest... usually are the biggest liars like russo... man is he loud too.
bro the way i found TNA was random, was just flipping through channels and landed on it and was hooked right away
So basically TNA had the potential to win against WWE or become a big rival against WWE, but they hired the wrong people
I think I started watching tna In 2009 I enjoyed it a lot infact I actually went 3 times to watch it live and had a great time
you keep saying these 3 destroyed wcw but u also forget that its those same 3 ( i would say mostly hogan and bishoff ) that brought WCW to their highest and surpassing WWF. wich also brought us attitude era.
also its not about beating WWE, its about having a profitable ecosystem.
i agree they made bad moves ( like going to monday nights lol ) tho.
The Aol Time merger is what took WCW off of tv but don't expect him to point it out
Yeah I remember Jim Cornette talked about the insane stuff that Russo did in TNA. Jim Cornette also mentioned that Russo caused a lot of problems for TNA and nearly ruined Jeff and Jerry's relationship. The only time that I really watched Impact was when Jeff Hardy was there for a 2nd time after 2009 when he did his Willow gimmick and TNA was still on Spike at that time.
Cornette also hates Russo and always has an agenda against him, so i'd take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt.
Brit here. In the early-mid 2000s, TNA was the only wrestling we could get on telly that was cheap or free (i.e., not part of an expensive satellite or 'cable' package). So most of my pre/teen memories of televised U.S. wrestling are of TNA. I have a nostalgic fondness for them, and am glad that the company have in a way limped on via Impact.
The Down Fall In TNA..
Easy..
Vince got no place in wrestling Russo...
The rest is basic...
@Naquin Green
The Four Horseturds.
Let’s not forget Dixie carter
@@remixchild I want to hate on her, but If you're Karate Teacher is a macho ego maniac, you're going to be that as well. I just don't think she had the best advice when it came to Wrestling.
Who ever told that Very Attractive Woman to become a Villian was mistaken. I'm not saying Attractive women can't be villains, I just wasn't buying it, just wasn't her. She paid her dues that smash through the table by Bubba wasn't enough for me to give her some respect.
Sometimes Wrestling can gets so stuck on Villians they make everyone one become one even if dosent fit.
@@BlackShogun1 she hired him and Eric, why does Dixie get a pass?
Even though TNA sucked when Hogan was in charge it was still more entertaining than wwe.
1000%
Moff Tarkin eh nah
NO
Facts
Motor City Machine gun and Beer Money INC are my favorite tag teams.
The jumping around on channels definitely didn't help, and yes, the six sided ring was something they were known for as well.
A lot of WWE people went to TNA because they were not being treated right. Victoria aka Tara was jobbing to the Bella Twins every week on Smackdown till she had enough and announced her retirement one night surprising & shocking every one. She had planned to go to MMA till Dixie talked her to come and try Impact. She was treated better there. Several others followed.
That probably played a role but a lot of WWE vets went there because TNA paid well for a super light schedule compared to WWE. Prichard has said that for a lot of wrestlers in TNA they were making around 80% of what they would’ve been for a similar level of role in the WWE. If you could do that with the schedule that would be a solid option. Then think of the top stats like sting or angle who made seven figures with that light schedule. That would be really tempting compared to the schedule WWE was running if the money was still solid. A lot of others went there simply because it was the other job available and then went back to WWE once their contract was done in TNA.
Tna done better than aew tho
AEW + Impact merger about to go down AND that incoming partnership with NJPW
Lol right.
#dreams
TNA>IMPACT
You're right about that I just wish they made better decisions and did not hire Russo back It makes sense now that like I got confused when I was younger about all the sudden title changes like every other week it seemed like somebody I like would win the title and then lose it a week later which made no sense now it makes sense
Once they introduced the square ring it was downhill from there
I can half agree with this. On one hand it was so unique. On the other, it was better for the talent, many of whom were used to 4 sides. I even remember what AJ Styles said in interviews about how the 6 sided ring has much less give than the 4 sided.
I remember finding it in 2008 on Spike after Manswers and seeing AJ Styles, Booker T, Sting, Suicide, and The Main Event Mafia
Thank you!! This was a great video, and my god was I happy to see Christian as you’re number 2! He was so great in TNA. He showed his potential during his run there
When they were an alternative to WWE, they were great. When they were a cheap ripoff of WWE, they were fuckin terrible. They had so much potential it hurts, and were meant to have grown into what AEW is now. And with the right people in charge, they would have, as they did so many things right... Great young talent, a legit main event scene, innovative ring work... But they squandered that potential, made some awful decisions, and just couldn't break the very low ceiling they held over their own heads. A damn shame. I can't believe it's still actually limping along.. but who knows, this recent AEW invasion angle might lead down some interesting paths..
The problem was they weren't just a cheap knock off wwe, they were also a WCW knockoff as well
@@nathancardenas2719 and plus the fact like aew fans, they also seemed to take criticism personal, you can't take shit then say ,"well you must be a wwe mark" 🙄 life doesn't always work that way
Man I loved Samoa Joe in TNA man was a killer NXT showcased that a bit to though
Samoa Joe has a great first half in TNA but he got lost in the shuffle when more and more ex WWE guys started showing up in TNA.
Never understood ratings battles. Why air on the same night and risk losing your viewership? Just air on a different night, when fans of both companies could watch both.
TNA got a 2.2 against WWE, not too shabby when you look at AEW bragging about getting, at most, 1.2 against NXT. TNA had almost the same ratings after that than AEW has now, but AEW is such a success. Just like TNA when AEW had their highest rating was when they launched, it had gone down ever since. But....the Demo, lmao..
I remember seeing a video on Myspace or RUclips back in the day with Chris sabin, Alex Shelley n some other than wrestlers smoking weed (back when weed wasn't legal at all lol). Now I can't find that video it sucks
I used to love TNA, and I watched it every week when they were on ppv and when they got a network deal. As long as they were showcasing fresh and new talent I was happy. Once they started bring in washed-up WWE and WCW guys is when I didn't want to watch it anymore. That is my one concern about AEW. Everyone who leaves WWE ends up in AEW now, and that is gonna make me lose interest if it keeps happening.
Bingo someone leaves WWE shows up there or Impact a week later
aew is still makingthere own stars, they know what there doing unlike dixie carter
You won't lose interest
AEW has build stars and still building stars despite having established WWE names like Punk, Danielson
Plz listen to this comment, u and markyd should make a vid on ‘the rise and fall of aces and eights’
💯💯💯💯💯they had so much potential
@@LSTORMTheMC Markyd's channel got taken down :(
My Top 10 Singles
1. AJ Styles
2. Sting
3. Samoa Joe
4. Awesome Kong
5. Jay Lethal
6. Abyss
7. Mickie James
8. Eric Young
9. ODB
10. Amazing Red/Raven (tie)
Tag Teams
1. 3 Live Cru
2. LAX 1
3. AMW
4. Team 3D
5. MCMG
6. Bad Influence
7. Lethal Consequences
8. Triple X
9. Beautiful People
10. Chavo & Hernandez
Okay I have some beef with the video, though I think over all it was fairly good but 3 things stood out to me: #1 you never mentioned the reason TNA left Discovery Communications was because Dixie Carter sent out an e-mail ripping their CEO that was accidently sent out publicly instead of private. It turns out she hit the "send all" button on that e-mail that went out everywhere instead of just a few people. #2) Among the many reasons Vince Russo was let go was that Japanese promoters felt he was racist and refused to work with TNA as long as he was there. And Vince also sent out an e-mail stating he was working for the company but instead of sending it to Mike Tenay it got sent to Mike Johnson of PW Insider who of course printed it and soured relations with TNA's TV promoter. #3) you list your fav wrestlers in TNA and one of them was Christian. You go on to berate WWE for not using him properly and that he had two short runs as WWE champion but you go on and on about how he was not treated right. But you don't mention that one of his championship runs was cut short because (I believe it was Alberto Del Monte el Patron) gave him a nasty concussion during the match. And the whole reason he had a poor run in WWE was due to the fact that he had Post Concussive Syndrome and literally could not work.
Hogan and Co stripping TNA of their identity and becoming WWE lite. Dixie was not a leader either and even some rubbish Russo came up with was still at least entertaining.
Naquin Green good comment but I want to point out that Russo was hired back to TNA actually in late 2006 not 2009. TNA was already Russo-fied in a way before Bischoff/Hogan got there if you watch 2007-08 TNA with the gimmick matches, characters and storylines. Shit the first think he did was at Genesis was book Abyss to win the NWA World Title from Sting via DQ lol
Maurice Wilson God I remember that I was like what a cheap way to win the title .
Naquin Green Sting/Abyss Last Rite Match at Destination X
LAX/Dudley - Electric Steel Cage at Lockdown 2007
are a few examples
Naquin Green yeah good point. Although Russo ruined the Knockouts division once Dutch Mantel left, that was more in Dixie and management for not paying their female talent. Shit Taylor Wylde was Champ when she was working at Sunglass hut as a part time job because they weren’t paying her right and many others.
They were doing great until Dixie Carter came in
At least they didn't make David Arquette the World Champion.
I'm of the mindset that TNA was better BEFORE becoming a landing spot for former WWE wrestlers. Except Kurt Angle. He and Samoa Joe had some classics.
Tna was great no less and back then it had potential and it still does but can it be as big as it once was because I know it's still there.
But aew
@Cosmic Radio No chance.
I started watching it around when Magnus beat AJ Styles in 2014 ( I was 10 years old at the time). I thought it was an alternative for WWE, and I really enjoyed it when Eric Young beat Magnus for the world title. However, I stopped watching it in 2017 when the Hardys left TNA for WWE, after that, nothing in the brand really clicked for me.
When Alberto won the world title I was just happy that someone finally took the title off Bobby Lashley.
That my favorite year of tna
That decision affected impact more than before as later on they found what an unreliable kind of worker Del Rio/ el patron was considering the tantrums, persona life issue was.
But thanks to him lucha bros joined Impact because of his inability to show for a event during the mania weekend of 2018.
Dixie Carter and Vince Russo f**ked up and ruined TNA. I mean, their endless potshots against WWE (including Shane Douglas badmouthing Vince McMahon's Irish American ancestry while offering his managerial services to The Naturals as well as Rhyno and The Dudleys taking shots against the ECW reboot), not to mention Hogan and Bischoff joining were catalysts to the now Impact becoming a shell of what it once was. SMH.
In other words, Dixie and Russo have both ruined the former TNA. Therefore, both of them should apologize for ruining Impact. Period.
TNA one of the reasons Jeff Jarrett is in my top 10 all time. When you look at his contributions to the industry its been an amazing run
Remembering watching it in the beginning on PPV. We had cheater boxes so didn’t pay anything but I remember thinking this is like WCW when it was kind of decent. So I enjoyed it.
Now we look at impact these days. It hardly a wrestling show anymore.
The Merciless don’t be stupid it’s been a great wrestling show the last 3 years
702 Bro no it hasn’t.
@@jamesynfg yes it is dude
@@MrFresco702 only nerds would watch that crap
@William Joseph Blazkowicz WWE is good
Nonetheless, Impact Wrestling is still alive and thriving.
I don't think TNA could have ever beat Raw, but had they been able to maintain that 2.2 number or somewhere around that they would be a viable alternative but they blew every chance they had
12 commercials bro? Wow the greed
TNA went downhill once Hulk Hogan came along. At least it’s improving nowadays.
The Engie That Cried Nope because it's led by the right ppl don callis doin great
AJ did not hide how much he hated those shirts!
Moral of the story - do not hire hulk hogan or Eric bischoff
after gfw became impact was the final straw. Never watched since
TNA game came out in 08
I love these type of vids, thank you for making this.
Main event Mafia TNA was Peak TNA and I miss it so much
42:43 One of the reasons Samoa Joe HASN'T BEEN CHAMP is because WWE sees him as injury prone as he is CONSTANTLY GETTING INJURED (Concussions mostly)
I thought Aces and Eights was a bright spot in the hogan era, I thought the bully ray angle was actually great, but I can understand that people have differing opinions. TNA has some great moments and wrestlers but in the end they could never live up to the hype, but James Storm, AJ Styles, Austin Ares and more were great guys they created.
Facts my guy
'The worst women's match of all time' that's actually pretty sad considering that the only time WWE had decent matches with the ladies is when actual wrestlers and not models were wrestling, I kinda expected them to get this title not TNA
Tips AEW Can Learn
1. "Avoid Hogan"
2. "Avoid Russo"
3. "Avoid Bischoff"
They only brought in Bischoff for a debate.
14:58 Lmao bro consequences creed is Xavier Woods💀💀💀
December 2020 and still miss the WCW 🖤
Watch AEW....
AJ Styles was the face of TNA at the start of 2010, and the World Champion. It took Hogan and Bischoff 2 weeks to turn him heel, aligning him with Ric Flair so AJ could be the new Nature Boy (AJ Styles is a devout Christian and was married for 10 years at that point, with 3 Kids). He lost the title 3 months later, and didn't win it back until Hogan and Bischoff had left the company.
Dixie killed TNA ..impact wrestling still going strong
Laquintin Belser strong with 5 people in the crowd
Oh goody another indie joke to put wwe over like they drawing 20,000 on a raw show 🤣foh
Wwe will never reach them numbers again