This channel has quickly become my fav hardware review channel. No clickbaity thumbnails or sensationalized titles designed to bait Intel/AMD fans or bend to trends… no dramatic gimmicks… just honest reviews, real data, and earnest professional opinions from a chill dude. Keep up the great work!
I love these videos. I’m still rocking my 2600k and game maybe 4 times a year due to lack of time. I enjoy getting the wine tasting notes about new CPUs. Someday my computer will fail and I’ll be referencing these videos when I upgrade. Great job.
Steve listened to your complaints Wendell!! That thing about strategy games not being benchmarked properly. He showed factorio with a small map and a massive map and the massive difference in relative fps between the cpus.
No shade to the devs for offering that small map in the game's benchmark mode, it just doesn't push the hardware hard enough to see what setups can really do. Cool to see the game's community and the PC testing community put together the massive map method for benchmarking, and that it's consistent.
It literally is similar price. It's launching at 13th gen's msrp which is more but this is no Zen 4. Street prices on 13th gen are only like 10% less than their launch. Either way basically a nothing burger besides the addition of the digital linear voltage regulator which power benefits are very skewed to benefiting lower current draws which is why the 14600k uses about 15% LESS power than the 13600k at full load despite a +200mhz P all core frequency. Genuinely impressed there seeing when ocing my 13600k to +400mhz on the pcores It needed ~40% more power even when setting the voltage as low as it is stable at. That being said on the 14900k u only get that bump with an additional ~5% power which at 5.7ghz all core is more efficient than an ocd 13900k (if it can even reach that frequency) but regardless it's much more underwhelming. Either way in something like blender the 14600k with effectively 8 cores (when adjusting 4 ecores into 1) only losing to the 7900x by ~20% while consuming ~15% less power on a 7nm node vs a 5nm node is very impressive and I did not expect perf/watt to be that much better on the new i5.
Something's seriously going wrong at Intel. Between 2 AMD generations comes 3 or more Intel generations. But this is really good for Laptops, especially ThinkPads as the second hand markets get cheaper !!
I’m interested in this too. My 13900k has never been able to post with XMP on with all 4 sticks (for 128gb in total), so I’ve had to use only 2 sticks (64GB for now). If 14900k somehow helps solve this, I’d be interested.
@@Charles_Bro-sonMostly it's around stability of PCI-e 5.0 on the mobo and DDR5 speeds. Those seem to be getting good now, and next-gen should be real solid.
So in short no uplift for gamers, for workstation loads like always it depends on the workload like always, for benchmarks the 14th gen is better than the 13th gen like it should but the benchmarks seem to mean nothing for irl use.
As i understand, you can check your motherboard settings to see what power delivery mode is in, and gotta be careful as "default" is now the highest power setting, not Intels 253 Watt max. But yeah, you don't need to let the CPU roast at 350-400 watts under heavy MT loads, it seems to perform near the same. If i were getting a 14th gen, I'd try to take advantage the power savings and keep the same performance as 13th gen.
Were you running the 7800X3D’s memory controller in 1:2 mode? What’s the FCLK? Your 7800X3D results seem off especially when you were using the 7900XTX instead of the 4090. Plus, I haven’t seen anyone booting a 96GB 6400 MT/s RAM kit in 1:1 mode on Zen 4.
I'm most interested in DDR5 now being plug and play now. Also I feel its worth mentioning that the Intel is pulling 280-330w in those benchmarks while the 7800x3d pulls what 85-95w? Intel is defiantly faster for sure but you seem to be paying a premium for it, and I don't mean $$.
Well you are definitely paying a premium in both price and power draw if you are comparing a $600 14900k to a $400 7800X3D. Wouldn't the 7950X3D have been better to use for comparison in highly multithreaded scenarios?
I thought Intel was thinking of dumping the ecores... The 7800X3D and other CPU's stomps the 14900K in some of these tittles like Cyberpunk 2.0 / Phantom Liberty. 7950X, 5950X and other high core count AMD parts still stomp 14900k in titles favoring core count (real cores not e cores) the 7900X even stomps it in some titles. More pcores still better in supported titles. If ur 3D vtubing using an Unreal Engine Environment environment Intel will just dump your tracking software, unreal engine and OBS to the ecores completely borking your stream the moment you launch a game and even if you disable the ecores then you only have 8 pcores to work with at the high end which is problematic for 3D vtubing with the latest titles. VRChat tubers not really affected because its all done in the same application but VRC in full or open worlds does also like more pcores because it can get extremely resource heavy at that point. Similar problem with the hybrid X3D CPU's and core parking or die to die latency and weirdness with core parking disabled. If I was forced to choose an 8 core CPU for the aforementioned task I would choose a single die X3D part that wont have any gains in production but will offset less cores a bit in titles that prefer X3D parts or a 7700X for non X3D part because it draws less power, cost less and still competes. Basically the 7950X, 7900X, 7700X and 5950X is still the overall king for complex production environments at an affordable price. Not to mention AMD is the king of Blender and Adobe Premier which people in any kind of production environment are likely to use.
Please compare the non k versions when they become available. I have a 12600 non k (zero e-cores CPU) and am thinking about upgrading to the 14700 or 14900 non k. I am not sure it will be worthwhile for regular use, light gaming. Will there be a worthy upgrade path from 12400/12600 that could avoid the power hunger insanity of the k chips??
@@tanmaypanadi1414 advanced voltage regulator system in hardware that theoretically could have cut power draw 10-20% out of the box. Was my hope for 14th gen being worth a drop-in upgrade since I’m limited to a 280mm AIO. Still I’ve got a 12600K so now I just wait for a steep deal on a 13700K closer to end of December or early January and I’m still pretty happy I think.
I have been hesitant to upgrade from my i9-9900k since I was always told that it was only "marginal gains" from generation to generation but I at this point there should be a substantial lift in performance even going to 14700k right?
Of course there is a massive uplift to be had upgrading from your 9900K to these, but there has been for quite some time now. Your 9900K comes from a time when Intel was mostly stagnant gen over gen, with Rocket Lake (11xxx) marking an all time low. Then came Alder Lake (12xxx) and that brought a noticeable uplift over anything prior. However, not to rain on Wendell's parade, but 12th to the so called 14th gen is pretty underwhelming again. Outside of the e-core increases to the whole stack in 13th and now only to the i7 in 14th gen, it's more of the same. In the end, if you really needed it, you could've had an upgrade with 12th gen already when sticking with Intel, or Zen2 and especially Zen3 even sooner when going AMD. These days, I'd definitely not upgrade to 14th gen Intel, because outside of some very specific usecases there's a better offering from AMD across the board, and unlike LGA1700, which is now effectively dead and gone, AM5 has a clear upgrade path to Zen5 and possibly Zen6. If for some reason you want to or even have to stick with Intel, I'd strongly advise to wait another year for Arrow Lake, if you can. That'll probably be a very decent uplift over 14th gen and being on a new platform have an upgrade path, too.
@@ashamaheeif its for gaming, 7800x3d is simply up there. The i9s are really powerful and the i7s are also very good, but Vcache is such a boon for gaming and the 7000s being quite more efficient and easier to cool, makes them a much better overall cpu for gaming.
I'm in the same boat... 14th Gen will provide a huge uplift in performance, but I can still play everything with my 9900k today. It's hard to justify the expense. I build in small form factor cases, so I am leaning towards AMD as my next upgrade path.
I wonder if the clock binned i5s from 12thgen are stilll in production. I still see 12500 and 12600 in stock pretty regular... if the price on those came down just a little bit (or if you score a deal) they would be really nice entry level parts
No, they produced lots of Alder which undersold, so ADL parts were rebadged as 13th non-K SKUs which use the same Intel 7/ 10nm process. CPUs are compact to store. Intel don't want to discount, Pat made investors promises about increased margins. It'll be far better to score a 7600 or coming APU, AMD are shaping up for Zen5 release so Zen4 will become the budget option.
@@RobBCactive yea that's fair assessment looking forward a few months. Would be nice to see more budget am5 boards tho. At least here in canada they are still priced at a premium over the lga1700
@@christopherjackson2157 I just rather have a decent quality mobo, which will be good for a CPU & GPU upgrade when I build. The launch this week shows Intel's platform has nothing more to give. People are hoping for discounts but Intel 14th is a marketing strategy to increase margin by having a new thing. As Steve of Gamers Nexus put it, bigger number better.
i have a z690 asus rog strix "E" mobo (DDR5), I would like to upgrade from a 12900K to the 14900K. Will that give me a pretty good boost for my flight simulator 2020 game? i have a 4090 GPU and a 1000w EVGA G6 Power Supply...will I be ok?, My CPU cooler is a closed loop Corsair ICUE H150i Elite Capellix
I am still in what way the intels efficient cores are actually efficient, does any intel cpu with efficient cores use any less power then any amd processor when doing daily that most systems can do almost while idling.
This review seemed more of an advert than anything else. The use of the 7800X3D seems almost subliminal because it's around half the price and uses half the power, in games of course, and seemingly keeps up. I'd also say that 95% of computer users don't need anything more than what AM4 offers and the 5000 series is very power efficient too. It seems to be AMD's version of printing money with inexpensive N7. Talking up the A770 and kind of whitewashing Intel's ARC history seemed weird. Intel's driver team should be up for massive bonuses as they are keeping things alive.
Sooo , question,, and please gimme the facts,, I bin waitin' 2.5 years to build this PC. I want to build a Pc for audio production ONLY, so i7-14700K with 'no video card' ,, will I 'need liquid cooling' in this scenario given the extra power and utility from the refresh i7-14700K?also, no mention of any ASUS motherboards...is that due to a technical issue with the boards or a separate sponsorship issues.
Intel needs to back off from chasing more performance for a generation. I think a lot of people would have been more impressed if they came out with something that is no faster than last gen but used 30% less power for the same price. I'm getting sick of hot power hungry cpu's and gpu's lately, Industry needs to take a step back in my opinion.
I very much hope that the cpu companies gonna start to pull there heads out of there own asses when it comes to wasting all this power. Power seems to be cheap in Merikkka but in the rest of the world, esp. Europe it's not.
@@MrHav1k same launch price yes. But not current price. But if you aren't doing production tasks, it primarily falls within error of difference between samples of the 13700k. If the 14700k is interesting for anyone, they should spend the same amount on a 13900k instead and actually have a performance difference, even if still relatively small.
I'd buy a 14900, then run it at 13900 speeds, and you'll have no problems. I already bought a 7950x so... it's not as as fast, but I went for a few more processor upgrades future proofing. Maybe. It's all a crrp shoot.
When 12th Gen came out i had the money to do it, and instead i went to an i7-8700K (from an i7 -4790 - which was still good for my workload) instead, why? The insane power and thermals....and i cant see me leaving 8th Gen for the time to come. They need to reign in the power and thermals....its unsustainable and downright stupid....at least theyre not alone AMD is batshit crazy making 90c CPUs "normal"
At least with AMD it a a ‘pick your poison’ approach. Run it at limited power and you’re getting great thermals, and 90% of full TDP performance. Limit intel, and you’re crippling it.
Similar, running a 4790k and still seems to do the job. Was going to upgrade to a 7950x but wasn't quite right and felt I may as well hold off for another year. Hopefully the next line of AMD CPUs are a bit better.
The Meteor Lake stuff is just a joke ;P insert "meteor took out the raptors punch line" *ba-dum tiss*
I'm not sure, is this a refresh? ^^
Intentionally misrepresenting the product and causing confusion doesn’t sound very funny imo
@@EpicWolverineCalm thine tism. 13 comments all saying the same thing. It's fine. We get it. Have a seat.
This channel has quickly become my fav hardware review channel. No clickbaity thumbnails or sensationalized titles designed to bait Intel/AMD fans or bend to trends… no dramatic gimmicks… just honest reviews, real data, and earnest professional opinions from a chill dude. Keep up the great work!
That's why its level 1!
Pretty sad when the silicon lottery could grant more performance than the new generation.
I love these videos. I’m still rocking my 2600k and game maybe 4 times a year due to lack of time. I enjoy getting the wine tasting notes about new CPUs. Someday my computer will fail and I’ll be referencing these videos when I upgrade. Great job.
I went from a 2500S on H61 to a 12500T on H610
it's like poetry, sort of, it rhymes.
A 2600k is a bottleneck for word processing at this point
Steve listened to your complaints Wendell!! That thing about strategy games not being benchmarked properly. He showed factorio with a small map and a massive map and the massive difference in relative fps between the cpus.
Steve from Hardware Unboxed :)
No shade to the devs for offering that small map in the game's benchmark mode, it just doesn't push the hardware hard enough to see what setups can really do.
Cool to see the game's community and the PC testing community put together the massive map method for benchmarking, and that it's consistent.
Awesome Video Thanks Wendel!
Thanks for the info. Missed ya on last nights show!
Similar performance but not similar price. Will most likely get real interesting when it approaches market saturation and prices lower.
It literally is similar price. It's launching at 13th gen's msrp which is more but this is no Zen 4. Street prices on 13th gen are only like 10% less than their launch. Either way basically a nothing burger besides the addition of the digital linear voltage regulator which power benefits are very skewed to benefiting lower current draws which is why the 14600k uses about 15% LESS power than the 13600k at full load despite a +200mhz P all core frequency. Genuinely impressed there seeing when ocing my 13600k to +400mhz on the pcores It needed ~40% more power even when setting the voltage as low as it is stable at. That being said on the 14900k u only get that bump with an additional ~5% power which at 5.7ghz all core is more efficient than an ocd 13900k (if it can even reach that frequency) but regardless it's much more underwhelming. Either way in something like blender the 14600k with effectively 8 cores (when adjusting 4 ecores into 1) only losing to the 7900x by ~20% while consuming ~15% less power on a 7nm node vs a 5nm node is very impressive and I did not expect perf/watt to be that much better on the new i5.
You keep on referring to the 14th gen and 13th gen CPUs as "Meteor Lake". They're actually "Raptor Lake".
I meant this to be a joke but forgot something 😬
r/whoosh
When this thing is hungy it eats almost same power as my whole undervolted rig witch is no slouch, 5800x3d with 7800xt..
This is raptor lake refresh not meteor lake. Meteor lake is coming only for laptops no desktop skus are being released 3:09
Something's seriously going wrong at Intel. Between 2 AMD generations comes 3 or more Intel generations. But this is really good for Laptops, especially ThinkPads as the second hand markets get cheaper !!
Raptor Lake ++
Correction it’s Raptor lake refresh not meteor lake refresh. 😮
How does 14th gen deal with 4 sticks of high capacity DDR5 vs. 13th gen? That's what I'm interested in.
I’m interested in this too. My 13900k has never been able to post with XMP on with all 4 sticks (for 128gb in total), so I’ve had to use only 2 sticks (64GB for now). If 14900k somehow helps solve this, I’d be interested.
not so well from other revues I've seen. The industry is pulling or consumer demanding legs. They don't have overheating issues under control
I'm waiting for AMD 9000 series at this point. Looking for the maturation of the platform and more PCI-e 5.0 lanes.
Same
You mean maturation of Ryzen? The Socket?
@@Charles_Bro-son Zen 4/5
@@chbrules The architecture - What do you think has to mature the most neccessary? Looking to go for a new system after eight years.
@@Charles_Bro-sonMostly it's around stability of PCI-e 5.0 on the mobo and DDR5 speeds. Those seem to be getting good now, and next-gen should be real solid.
😍 gonna be looking forward to that Fragbox review
Appreciate the video as always. One thing, the graphs reordered themselves about halfway through for no reason that I saw. 🤷♂️
So in short no uplift for gamers, for workstation loads like always it depends on the workload like always, for benchmarks the 14th gen is better than the 13th gen like it should but the benchmarks seem to mean nothing for irl use.
I like this video. tells it how it is. A mainframe video or two would be cool in the future!
Heya, just a heads up. Cyberpunk does utilize the e-cores effectively. Performance scales up around ~10% with them active on a 13700k.
13th Gen was a 12th Gen refresh
Intel, we just refresh our refreshes yo!
As i understand, you can check your motherboard settings to see what power delivery mode is in, and gotta be careful as "default" is now the highest power setting, not Intels 253 Watt max. But yeah, you don't need to let the CPU roast at 350-400 watts under heavy MT loads, it seems to perform near the same. If i were getting a 14th gen, I'd try to take advantage the power savings and keep the same performance as 13th gen.
I like this kind of deep dive/dialogue. Hope to see more.
Amazing vid Wendell
I would love to see how this compares to the w-2400 Xeons.
TDP 125W as a base power doesn't look enticing for me. I am going to wait for AMD 8000 series.
if only it was true. These CPUs have something closer to 253W base power.
Were you running the 7800X3D’s memory controller in 1:2 mode? What’s the FCLK? Your 7800X3D results seem off especially when you were using the 7900XTX instead of the 4090. Plus, I haven’t seen anyone booting a 96GB 6400 MT/s RAM kit in 1:1 mode on Zen 4.
I'm most interested in DDR5 now being plug and play now.
Also I feel its worth mentioning that the Intel is pulling 280-330w in those benchmarks while the 7800x3d pulls what 85-95w?
Intel is defiantly faster for sure but you seem to be paying a premium for it, and I don't mean $$.
Well you are definitely paying a premium in both price and power draw if you are comparing a $600 14900k to a $400 7800X3D. Wouldn't the 7950X3D have been better to use for comparison in highly multithreaded scenarios?
@@Adam_Lynn you are correct, but I was mainly looking at the gaming FPS numbers.
His 7800X3D results are off. I have to suspect he was running the 6400MT/s kit in 1:2 mode, basically running the memory controller at half speed. M
Very interesting, ty
I thought Intel was thinking of dumping the ecores... The 7800X3D and other CPU's stomps the 14900K in some of these tittles like Cyberpunk 2.0 / Phantom Liberty. 7950X, 5950X and other high core count AMD parts still stomp 14900k in titles favoring core count (real cores not e cores) the 7900X even stomps it in some titles. More pcores still better in supported titles.
If ur 3D vtubing using an Unreal Engine Environment environment Intel will just dump your tracking software, unreal engine and OBS to the ecores completely borking your stream the moment you launch a game and even if you disable the ecores then you only have 8 pcores to work with at the high end which is problematic for 3D vtubing with the latest titles. VRChat tubers not really affected because its all done in the same application but VRC in full or open worlds does also like more pcores because it can get extremely resource heavy at that point. Similar problem with the hybrid X3D CPU's and core parking or die to die latency and weirdness with core parking disabled. If I was forced to choose an 8 core CPU for the aforementioned task I would choose a single die X3D part that wont have any gains in production but will offset less cores a bit in titles that prefer X3D parts or a 7700X for non X3D part because it draws less power, cost less and still competes. Basically the 7950X, 7900X, 7700X and 5950X is still the overall king for complex production environments at an affordable price. Not to mention AMD is the king of Blender and Adobe Premier which people in any kind of production environment are likely to use.
Please compare the non k versions when they become available. I have a 12600 non k (zero e-cores CPU) and am thinking about upgrading to the 14700 or 14900 non k. I am not sure it will be worthwhile for regular use, light gaming. Will there be a worthy upgrade path from 12400/12600 that could avoid the power hunger insanity of the k chips??
now 13700 looks really apealling with the price drop :3
You keep saying Meteor Lake
der8auer EN couldn't be more down on this if he tried.
0:44 it’s not Meteor Lake, it’s Raptor Lake Refresh
2:26 Raptor Lake, not Meteor Lake
DLVR didn’t make it into 14th Gen then?
Nope.
what's DLVR?
@@tanmaypanadi1414 advanced voltage regulator system in hardware that theoretically could have cut power draw 10-20% out of the box. Was my hope for 14th gen being worth a drop-in upgrade since I’m limited to a 280mm AIO. Still I’ve got a 12600K so now I just wait for a steep deal on a 13700K closer to end of December or early January and I’m still pretty happy I think.
I have been hesitant to upgrade from my i9-9900k since I was always told that it was only "marginal gains" from generation to generation but I at this point there should be a substantial lift in performance even going to 14700k right?
Of course there is a massive uplift to be had upgrading from your 9900K to these, but there has been for quite some time now.
Your 9900K comes from a time when Intel was mostly stagnant gen over gen, with Rocket Lake (11xxx) marking an all time low.
Then came Alder Lake (12xxx) and that brought a noticeable uplift over anything prior.
However, not to rain on Wendell's parade, but 12th to the so called 14th gen is pretty underwhelming again. Outside of the e-core increases to the whole stack in 13th and now only to the i7 in 14th gen, it's more of the same.
In the end, if you really needed it, you could've had an upgrade with 12th gen already when sticking with Intel, or Zen2 and especially Zen3 even sooner when going AMD. These days, I'd definitely not upgrade to 14th gen Intel, because outside of some very specific usecases there's a better offering from AMD across the board, and unlike LGA1700, which is now effectively dead and gone, AM5 has a clear upgrade path to Zen5 and possibly Zen6.
If for some reason you want to or even have to stick with Intel, I'd strongly advise to wait another year for Arrow Lake, if you can. That'll probably be a very decent uplift over 14th gen and being on a new platform have an upgrade path, too.
If you really need to upgrade sure but I would wait for 15th Gen or give AMD a try.
@@Epsilonsama I am strongly considering AMD due to its energy efficiency compared to these intel cpu's
@@ashamaheeif its for gaming, 7800x3d is simply up there. The i9s are really powerful and the i7s are also very good, but Vcache is such a boon for gaming and the 7000s being quite more efficient and easier to cool, makes them a much better overall cpu for gaming.
I'm in the same boat... 14th Gen will provide a huge uplift in performance, but I can still play everything with my 9900k today. It's hard to justify the expense. I build in small form factor cases, so I am leaning towards AMD as my next upgrade path.
Suggestion: Testing which platforms where memory ECC is confirmed to be working handle ECC memory overclocking the best?
I have the i9-13900KS but should I upgrade to the 14th? 😢
2:27 it’s *not* Meteor Lake!! That’s not out yet. This is Raptor Lake Refresh
Calm down xir.
How many years was it between out-of-the-box 4 - 5GHz and 5 - 6GHz?
I wonder if the clock binned i5s from 12thgen are stilll in production. I still see 12500 and 12600 in stock pretty regular... if the price on those came down just a little bit (or if you score a deal) they would be really nice entry level parts
No, they produced lots of Alder which undersold, so ADL parts were rebadged as 13th non-K SKUs which use the same Intel 7/ 10nm process.
CPUs are compact to store.
Intel don't want to discount, Pat made investors promises about increased margins.
It'll be far better to score a 7600 or coming APU, AMD are shaping up for Zen5 release so Zen4 will become the budget option.
@@RobBCactive yea that's fair assessment looking forward a few months. Would be nice to see more budget am5 boards tho. At least here in canada they are still priced at a premium over the lga1700
@@christopherjackson2157 I just rather have a decent quality mobo, which will be good for a CPU & GPU upgrade when I build.
The launch this week shows Intel's platform has nothing more to give. People are hoping for discounts but Intel 14th is a marketing strategy to increase margin by having a new thing.
As Steve of Gamers Nexus put it, bigger number better.
Are there any W680 boards that can adjust the memory voltage?
No point upgrading CPU for the same socket, if the performance difference is within overclocking range. So much for Intels promised upgradability.
96 GB of memory in _two sticks???_
my 12900k at 62F at idle. Winter is Coming! 🤣 and it is in the same loop with a 4090. just big rads and sum fans.
i have a z690 asus rog strix "E" mobo (DDR5), I would like to upgrade from a 12900K to the 14900K. Will that give me a pretty good boost for my flight simulator 2020 game? i have a 4090 GPU and a 1000w EVGA G6 Power Supply...will I be ok?, My CPU cooler is a closed loop Corsair ICUE H150i Elite Capellix
it is basically renamed 13900ks
Intel said a year or so back that 13 Gen was the end for AMD. How soon people forget.
I am still in what way the intels efficient cores are actually efficient, does any intel cpu with efficient cores use any less power then any amd processor when doing daily that most systems can do almost while idling.
If you use it for low level tasks, overall power consmption is lower. It basically goes into a meh high efficiency mode.
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They haven’t even bumped up the iGPU model. Meh!
Bios Polished 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeh tried asus 1402 latest, complete bsod memory errors, oh it not good.
I want new Threadripper. Where is it?!
This review seemed more of an advert than anything else. The use of the 7800X3D seems almost subliminal because it's around half the price and uses half the power, in games of course, and seemingly keeps up. I'd also say that 95% of computer users don't need anything more than what AM4 offers and the 5000 series is very power efficient too. It seems to be AMD's version of printing money with inexpensive N7. Talking up the A770 and kind of whitewashing Intel's ARC history seemed weird. Intel's driver team should be up for massive bonuses as they are keeping things alive.
Sooo , question,, and please gimme the facts,, I bin waitin' 2.5 years to build this PC. I want to build a Pc for audio production ONLY, so i7-14700K with 'no video card' ,, will I 'need liquid cooling' in this scenario given the extra power and utility from the refresh i7-14700K?also, no mention of any ASUS motherboards...is that due to a technical issue with the boards or a separate sponsorship issues.
you can limit power settings in bios i think, or get amd?
@@wiziek 'Cept, may as well buy the previous 13h gen processors,, which many also had heating issues.
Intel needs to back off from chasing more performance for a generation.
I think a lot of people would have been more impressed if they came out with something that is no faster than last gen but used 30% less power for the same price.
I'm getting sick of hot power hungry cpu's and gpu's lately, Industry needs to take a step back in my opinion.
12th gen refresh
NetBurst 3.0 will finally do 10 GHz this time 😅
Same s* different pampers.
I very much hope that the cpu companies gonna start to pull there heads out of there own asses when it comes to wasting all this power. Power seems to be cheap in Merikkka but in the rest of the world, esp. Europe it's not.
RIP Intel
12th Gen refresh. Unless we count the entire 3rd to 7th as a refresh. Which means we are really only at 7th gen
Dont bother with 14700k Steve from @GamersNexus already said its a bit overclocked 13700k and nothing special.
Bigger number, not bigger performance, but bigger power consumption.
there is some improvement 7% to 12% in productivity workloads and rendering stuff but over all it's mostly 4% bump with a overclock
More clock speed and more cores for the same price. Not sure why there's so much hate on the 14700k. Doesn't make sense to me.
@@MrHav1k same launch price yes. But not current price. But if you aren't doing production tasks, it primarily falls within error of difference between samples of the 13700k. If the 14700k is interesting for anyone, they should spend the same amount on a 13900k instead and actually have a performance difference, even if still relatively small.
you are paying this cpu every year in watts consumed compared to amd alternative. solid pass
What a meh...
I'd buy a 14900, then run it at 13900 speeds, and you'll have no problems.
I already bought a 7950x so... it's not as as fast, but I went for a few more processor upgrades future proofing. Maybe.
It's all a crrp shoot.
Some of us remember the first Ghz cpu...
AMD thunderbird. Had one back then
When 12th Gen came out i had the money to do it, and instead i went to an i7-8700K (from an i7 -4790 - which was still good for my workload) instead, why? The insane power and thermals....and i cant see me leaving 8th Gen for the time to come. They need to reign in the power and thermals....its unsustainable and downright stupid....at least theyre not alone AMD is batshit crazy making 90c CPUs "normal"
At least with AMD it a a ‘pick your poison’ approach. Run it at limited power and you’re getting great thermals, and 90% of full TDP performance. Limit intel, and you’re crippling it.
There is a very simple fix on AMD. Just activate the 95W eco-mode or even lower if you want.
Similar, running a 4790k and still seems to do the job. Was going to upgrade to a 7950x but wasn't quite right and felt I may as well hold off for another year. Hopefully the next line of AMD CPUs are a bit better.
Nope.
such a shameful launch from intel its literally just an i9-13900KS with a new name
And still kicks the crap out of AMDip 😂😂😂😂
No one needs this.
14th gen is a waste of silicon