Ferrari vs Porsche 911 | Top Gear
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2008
- It may be hard to believe, but Jeremy finally changes his opinion about the benefits of the new Porsche 911 over his favourite brand Ferrari.
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Every time Jeremy reviews a 911: "It's insanely well-built, it has unreal handling, it's ridiculously fast, and it's perfect in every conceivable way. I hate it."
Yeah, because the car is souless.
@@andreazonin Last time a Porsche had a soul it killed someone *cough* Carrera GT *cough*
And if you think modern Porsches don't have souls you haven't seen the 911 GT3 RS yet then.
@@mariinito1793 Ok, 2 models in 20 years...
@@andreazonin Ahh no problem. At least we reached an agreement and put a stop to your tomfoolery
Like when Jeremy had brought an MX-5 to the Middle East in that special his synopsis was that because everything went perfectly with the car, nothing surprised him and the Mazda was bland for him.
Just drove a 2008 997 Turbo. I felt all of the blood on my face being sucked into the back of my skull when I floored it. Amazing machine!
tiptron or manual?
TheEliminator Yup. And the handling is jaw dropping too. I had a 993/4 which just cornered with an insane amount of grip. I would imagine that the 997 is no different.
Imagine the 991 turbo s, that does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds
@@mha2263 imagine 992 turbo s
@@shalansharma443 why should it be frightening @ 2000 RPM lol Torque != Acceleration
I've always been partial to American muscle cars and Italian exotics/sports cars, but this video has me wanting a Porsche. There's definitely a beauty in its efficiency, both in form and function. Clinical, shminical.
I like American, but a Porsche is a different level. Even the base carrera
Porsche is in a league of it's own
You cant go wrong with Porsche it wont be your first and you will appreciate its refined and tank like build. For me its Acura NSX or Any Acura product , Lexus LFA or the Porsche 911 You cant go wrong you simply cant.
Top Gear really has some good videographers... that shot with the balloon at 3:09 was amazing.
i pick up my 911 997 this week. £44k 09 plate 30k miles. 2 year warranty. Mightily pleased.
And how is it then?
My dads looking at buying one, as all other Porsches are going for mental money. My guess is the 997 turbo will be next ☺️ not that it would ever get sold
+Charlie Moy It's the last Mezger engine Turbo so I think you may be right.
+SenszR And now they've got rid of the manual, even more so.
God that's depressing
Who knew ALL I had to do was buy an old Porsche and my fat wife would become slim!
That's not how it works. You get a new, young, slim wife, with the Porsche but have to pay to divorce the old, fat wife!
Noooooo, he has logic! HELP, RUclips LOGIC SCARES ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bo McGillacutty if you buy a Porsche you probably will get a slim girlfriend whom you will have to make your wife
cchujnickSpam2 I'm happy with my BMW and random hook ups frankly. hahaha
anonymous anon I guess it brings the kid out of me, that's not always a bad thing. :-)
I like the 40-60 mph statistic because I think its more relevant than 0-60 or top speed. Most of the time when someone guns the accelerator pedal, they are already moving, maybe merging onto a highway or passing someone...1 second, wow.
🤯
Glad to finally see jeremy talking positively about a 911.
@@bhanuka_18idk if we’ll ever get an answer 😂
I've got a 944. Even as a lowlier Porsche that's 30 years old it takes my breath away every time I drive it.
I drove one on a supercar day at our local track it was an absolute animal the acceleration was absolutely brutal
"300 carbon dioxides"
What wrong with that?
I CALL BS
+Dilip Tien It's supposed to be 300g of Carbon Dioxide, i.e 300 grams and one gram is not equivalent to a carbon dioxide molecule.
***** Trolling?
"500 torques"
"The ice cream made from the bones of your defeated squash opponents" .. Jeremy was on the top of his game during these years! I don't think we'll see anything of this level from the new TG or Grand Tour..
Yep
Its actually bland, you're just a hype man 😂
@@Louis.DeGuzman 2006-2011 was peak Top Gear
@@bigTTTTT I think you mean 2005 to 2012
That pales in comparison to "You'd have to have quite thin children, but then again, that's liekly not a problem because you've got a thin wife... because you have a 911."
911 is the definition of sport coupe.
QUALITY AND WORKMANSHIP
Your definition. Likely you haven't played at that level. I worked on them for 6 months, 993 era, and quit because they were so clinical and boring, as in lack of character. I'll take Italian thanks, with all their problems.
Mark Mark sure. ill take german cars and italian eomen rather.
I don't know much about the 911 marque of Porsche, i only know that's it's been successful in nearly every race event it's been given
@@markmark5269 another youtube commenter living in fantasy land
I’d rather own a 911 turbo over a 430 any day....... now a 458 is another story
911 turbo is one of the best supercars
It is THE best....
Nearly as good as a Tesla S, Plaid, which is quicker & cheaper
I consider it the most reliable sport car
@@guringai tesla s and plaid don't dome close to turbo s
@@carsage8836 The Plaid will beat any Porsche with the wife & the kids waving at the Porsche driver out the back window.
Ah, a 911 Turbo with a manual. The good ol' days
I have been fortunate to own several of BOTH, love them all...but frankly the Porsche 911 is the best car ever built in my opinion. Hands down.
the good old top gear days till season 8 or 9, that was the stuff!
“There was so much phlegm that I could have swam home” really shows the disgusting envy of ordinary people
I feel blessed that I have a sister who doesn't mind sharing her fortune. All weekend, she drove me in her white Porsche 911 Turbo in Beverly Hills and on the Pacific Coast Highway visiting fancy restaurants such as Geoffrey's, overlooking the ocean. I visited from the Detroit, Michigan area and she showed me a great time. The Porsche is amazing!
OMG Ur comment 13 years old Now
These 997's are still £53k in this spec with reasonable mileage
Admiral_Awesome Even the Carrera (2009) model is about 35£ with low mileage !
Joshua Conyers can you find me one then? Link it here
+Admiral_Awesome Because they are still pretty good cars.
Stryke not saying they aren't, just expected depreciation to have taken more out the value haha
Admiral_Awesome No, Porsches do have quite a good value. Everyone would like to have them, and of course it helps that they are probably the most reliable sports cars you could find.
Sadly, the latest 911 is not compact anymore. Its width is comparable to other supercars and the wheelbase is quite long for a 911. On the bright side, it makes it more stable and allows for more potential on the handling.
If I wanted a semi functional Vehicle that people are afraid to touch and call Art...I'll buy a piece of $700,000 Painting.
If I want Art that can handle the road, Hug and Carve the road and sing me a song with the engine while it is doing it. PORSCHE for the win!
A painting is not a semifunctional vehicle. Because it isn't even a vehicle. You're right, though.
appelpower1 it is a vehicle for human expression...lol
SmD71nG I never thought of that, actually...
I see hug and carve are proper nouns
nutsackmania *verbs
3:29 the prodigy - climbatize
40 to 60 in 1 second. Now that's serious passing speed.
Excuse me, I'm out.
Porsches are cheaper to own in the long run than Ferraris, more fuel efficient, easier to work on, easier and cheaper to fix, and are WAY better built. Ferraris look better, though. Porsche quality vs Ferrari aesthetics... Porsche wins.
German sensibility vs Italian passion.
KPaccountt You can't say Germans aren't passionate. You can't build cars like the 911 turbo without passion.
Mark Scott There is no passion in german engineering.
John Lawry They couldn't do what they do without passion. Practically impossible.
John Lawry They do have passion, but it's on a different approach. Their passionate on perfection and engineering. Italians are more passionate about the design and the sensation of driving.
Thanks for the tips and road test. Amazing!
5:50 - 6:00 : "But this is my favourite, ok : 40 to 60 in 2nd gear :
ONE SECOND !! ONE !! "
Epic face
Just drove one of those... O M G its fast!!!!
I just cant describe the feeling you get from this acceleration especially on the second gear!!!
amazing
5:56-6:00 Just that voice.
Lulz! you have a porsche 911.. so, you'd have a thin wife.
funny but also true
Agreed.
Only 10 years ago, yet today he would be murdered, literally, by radical Lefty Fems for saying that.
I don't think you're using the word "literally" right
...or Fat Ex-wife
Porsche= best cars ever made
Top Gear with Jeremy Clarkson= best car show ever made
Shame he's gone :(
+Bradley Whalley They are coming back
+Bradley Whalley The new Amazon show will be along soon, be patient, BW.
Bradley Whalley Porsche = ok car
Just got out of one when a person i know gave me a lift. Got out of it and onto a bus, life can be shit somedays
My Honda does 0-60 in 1 Minute!
+RecognizeProductions i feel ya bro. Honda owner here. LOL Still love my Honda.
My Fiat Punto does 0-60 in about 2 mins
Stef The Def also sends you to heaven like 3 seconds after crash. Even my lawnmover gets 2 stars from crashtest
xpictos777 man NSX makes 2.9s , NSX isnt fast, really fast
down the hill
I really enjoyed this eye opening experience he had. If you love sport cars and driving you will come to this point pretty quick in a turbo. Its solid, pure sport vs Italian posing. You get addicted for life.
Porsche is the best bang for the buck in Supercars!!! You buy Ferrari for the name and prestige or something else...
I'd have to say the the GTR is the best bang for buck, performance-wise. But it is just not fun. Porsches are the most fun to drive though, bang for buck, I agree. Of course, owning a supercar is about prestige as much as anything else. I'd rather have a Ferrari.
Brennan Wallman its still a nissan though, and thats embarissing. Porsche oozes speed and class the gtr is just a fast car nothing else just a fast micra.
***** I have only driven one Ferrari in 1972, a 246GT. Great car. I drove a GTR a couple of years ago and loved it, but it is no Porsche. I bought my first Porsche in 1973, and I currently own a 13 year old 911-996.
Brennan Wallman Vette > GTR in terms of best bang. Vette's our 30K cheaper for a Z06. Performance is close too, not quite as good, but close if you know how to drive.
***** I agree with your argument that the Vette is the best bang for your buck. It has just about everything that Ferrari has with a price tag less than half the cost of the F-Car IMHO
They're 2 different breeds of beauty. It's hard to compare the 2 when simply talking esthetics. I think the Porsche has so much more to offer though. They've been enginerring the shit out of the 911 which has basically been the same car for the last 2 decades or so. Playing with different set ups are configurations. You can't put out a brand new model every 3 or 4 years and expect it to be a perfectly balanced car through and through like a 911.
Marry the Porsche, cheat with the Ferrari.
I win the lottery, I'm buying a Porsche before a Ferrari or Lambo. Probably a Panamera first because I'm old and want to just cruise around the country in comfort and style with the great sound system, throw my bags and junk in the back seat and cruise. Then I'll buy a 911 coupe of some hot configuration. Anybody out there want my old clapped out Maxima SE? I'll give it to ya.
You can't look good in a Panamera. It's hideous.
+The Star of China Panamera is Boss. China is suck.
+betterbeavailable such english, very wow
garyhope2 have you won the lottery yet?
Ill take it!
Porsche FTW
If you want space, get a Defender 110.
ice cream made out of squash opponent... haha clarkson
@3:21 Wait the 997 turbo was offered in manual?
Yes, but not the Turbo S.
@ExecutivePwnage - Turbo vs ZR1. Similar pricing, different configurations (3.6 turbo flat six vs 6.2 supercharged V8), similar weight IIRC, the Vette probably has a slower gearshift, and the 911's awesome traction would give it an advantage, but I reckon it'd be too close to call. They're both in the mid-7:20s around the Nurburgring Nordschleife. Of course the Porsche is better built, has better traction, gearbox, interior, etc, but if you can't love a Vette you're not a petrolhead IMO.
I've watched this clip for years and just noticed that at 1:26 you can hear the sopranos theme its a very small snippet and no lyrics but its definitely the Alabama 3
When I graduate from college, I will make sure my dream job pays not insane but good money, and live in an okay apartment so I can save up and afford the brand new version of this car plus the insurance
Please tell me that is your real name
Marcus Swisher Alan Jackson is the country star
Aim higher, nobody ever became above average by aiming low.
You will live a sad average life
TheKniperlight no, he won't. He'll become the next multi billionaire.
2:05 So in Los Angeles cars accually clean the air and help saving the environment! HAHA
+Kei ofcourse :)
maybe german cars do. american cars are the crapy polutants
Blake Belladonna there maybe, perhaps, some exaggeration, but what he actually said was true.
In certain Porsche models the air coming out of the exhaust is actually less toxic than the air going in when driving in very polluted cities.
The reason for this, is purely down to the way that Porsche compresses and combusts the fuel air mixture.
It's the same in the 918.
Juan Campo I think you're missing the point here: an actual car is supposed to pollute the air this is one of the things that separate cars from Teslas
@@camjua00 is that why VW got slapped so hard for lying on em8ssions tests?
This is always been one of my fav tg comparisons
Drivers car , porsche all the way 4 me
Nissan GTR kills it.
Jonny Walker nah
He has to Test the 2014 Turbo S with 560hp, 0-60 in 2,9 sec !
Its one of the best car on the market
It handles the road very well. My sister was able to maneuver through traffic very easily. She told me she prefers to drive it over her Lamborghini Murcielago. The Porsche is indeed, an amazing car. It's great for every day use as well as fun rides on the canyons. I'm definitely a fan of the Porsche 911 Turbo!
Thanks for the video.. I've been a Porsche Lover, cause I've worked with Porsche.. Still can't afford them.. The Turbos and the GTs are awesome.. The Bugati is really nice too..
FULL SCREEN!!! YEY! I have an Uncle with a blue 73' 911 SC targa, its beautifuly intoxicating.
1:28 The Sopranos?
I love the Porsche.
40.000 and you get a 997 4S
@LMF5000 thank you, I just wanted to say they should say those units. I know what they are, and so should other people.
By the way, it's g/cm³ not g/km, grams per centimeter cubed. And bhp actually means "Brake horse power", which is the actual amount of power the engine outputs (you don't include the power lost from friction in the gearbox, differentials etc.)
ive heard there is a RGT class in rallying. it was called NGT in the 80s
That line cracked me up when he said you're gonna have slim children because you have a 911 so you will have a slim wife 🤣🤣🤣
Bought a Yellow 2007 Cayman S 3 months ago. Looking at 2007-2009 911 Turbos now. :D I am hooked !
+James Mark II After 2 x 911's I am back in a Cayman S - Best drivers car period.
+MagicAyrtonforever Excellent !
Until you drive a Cayman R
Slowpoke Driven one, uncomfortable bucket seats, no aircon and no cd player.. Nice!
I have an 06 Cayman S with a 3.8. It's about 80-90hp over the stock 3.4 that was originally in the car. and it is a blast to drive. I prefer it over a 911 due to the price. Plus the engine is in the middle. But I do think the new 911 Turbo S is awesome. Not 180k awesome though.
Very good episode. Well Done Boys!!!!
this show is so fast cut and filmed at so many angles! i wonder how many times they have to stop just to move the cameras xD
''This is not driving, this is pure madness''
THIS IS PORSCHEEE!!! rofl
Ferrari is the super model you see in magazines, she's sexy, she's elegant, but she's high strung, and high maintenance. Porsche is the sexy girl next door, she's not quite a super model, but she gives you that sweet loving whenever you want it! I'll take the girl next door!
Great analogy. I’d still pick the Ferrari tho lol
@@Serpent947 I'll take the girl next door. Give me the Porsche.
Got a grand tour ad before the
That's a very smart way to put it, i like your perception about it, what i meant to say was that Clarkson viewed the Porsche as a great car which it still is, by saying that the Zr1 came into the game i was implying the fact that the Porsche had competition
The F430 is hideous. Clarkson actually says so in the review of the 458.
+The Star of China even the challenge stradale?
The Star of China clarkson was taking the piss,he loved the 430before the 458 came out,but because James may bought a 430 clarkson had to laugh at him for buying it because the 458 is better but cclarkson does like the 430
The Star of China Porsche fan here, Clarkson says so either because he's trying to be an asshole or because he's plane stupid hence why he got kicked outta Top Gear and you say so just to repeat after him because you have no opinion of your own
If I had to choose between a 458 and a 430 I would probably go for an F430
0:53 priceless
superb explanation my friend, superb. :)
Does anyone know the name of the song that's playing when the security camera is filming the Porsche?
I miss Topgear 😢
Remember, a Ferrari with a dead battery is still a Ferrari
+CountessGardevoir Yeah, but it's only a Ferrari.
+CountessGardevoir like a small ferrari toy which you can just see but cant drive. :)
A hat and key ring maker
Yep. As much use as a door stop
@@stankfanger1366 And the Porsche is just a glorified Beetle with colorless sounds.
@IMB2U i think the reason they say "300 carbon dioxides" is to keep things very very simple. once you get into more technical terms it puts people to sleep. some people may even be embarrassed that they do not know what it means and turn the chanel. hence why they dont let James May explain a lot of the real "science" behind a lot of the cars they showcase. a big part of TopGear's success is their ability to make things like this more interesting and obviously bring some humour into it.
Omg I like the Porsche and the Ferrari, I can't decide which one to route for
i have some really weird hairs growing around my nipple, i call them jeremy clarkson
+Bo Huggabee You're a strange, strange man.
It dawns on me Jeremy has no idea how pollutants in gas form work.
Good point, I was wondering where they were driving these cars cause I was sure it was not anywhere on the Autobahn.
" I own an entirre appartement block"
Oh my god I can't breathe I'm laughing so hard. A Greek apartment block. You're fuckin big time.
The 911 has aged well, the top gear boys have not.
dazzaburger true dat
dazzaburger Eh everyone gets older what can you do
Porsche have the laziest car designers.. Car looks the same always.. Boring as hell but with fire inside...
But Jeremy being Jeremy, back in the studio he said that he'd still have a Ferrari.
@ExecutivePwnage especially since the new one with pdk does 0-60 in 2.9 seconds ;)
A 911 is a $100,000+ car. I would still be worried about all of the things that Jeremy was worried about in his Ferrari.
+MrJc9600 - Meh, they're more reliable, more practical and much less flashy. In general, I don't think they attract as much unwanted attention as a Ferrari. But you're right in some sense, I would be uneasy leaving it parked when visiting a restaurant, or a mall.
+OMGWTFLOL I'm not too sure to be honest.
I tend to think that at least where I live, people will give more respect to a Ferrari. Almost every body loves and admires a Ferrari, while there are still a lot of idiots out there who think of Porsche's as "an overpriced VW beetle" - and for that reason a lot of people don't respect Porsche drivers I think the way they would respect a Ferrari driver.
But either way, I think ANYBODY who owns a prestige brand of car (even if it is just an Audi / Mercedes / Jaguar / BMW) is going to draw the attention of deuchebags. I definately don't think Porsche owners would be spared from that.
***** I assume you live in Europe or in the US? If so you are very lucky. Here in Oz you would be looking at a minimum $50k or so for an average, high km 2008 911.
Sadly we get killed on import tax and luxury car tax here, so we pay stupid prices for euro cars.
For example, you'll struggle to find a decent Gen 5 Golf GTi here for $10,000. They are around $45,000 new., with a Golf R being closer to $60k.
Considering buying a 997 Turbo. Could somebody chime in on the reliability on these cars past 100,000 miles? Iv had BMW E60 M5 and E39 M5, Both have been horrible on reliability. Have a Toyota 4Runner with 250,000 Miles still works like a swiss watch. So what am i getting into?
Mine now has 180.000km on the dial. Works like a charm! Only problems I had were loose endpipes (just screwed them on again), broken O2 sensor and the well known weakness of rusty shock absorbers. Other than that only the usual little things happened. Very realiable car! Just look into the driver profile of the last owner. If they get thrashed around a lot they tend to have more problems.
Best reaction ever! 😂 5:52
@Riles07 The Porsche logo is older than the Ferrari logo but Ferrari started selling cars a year earlier than Porsche.
II might actually be that both logos originate from the same source. Porsche took the prancing horse from the emblem of the city of Stuttgart while Ferrari took it from an italian WW1 fighter ace.
The fighter ace most likely used the prancing horse because of his old cavalry regiment but he might have copied it of a german fighter pilot who in turn copied it from Stuttgart.
I'll never understand why Jezza hates Porsche so much. A 911 is simply the finest automobile ever designed. And still is. In every way.
Granted I say that as a 911 owner.
Trent Hamilton A lot of it is probably his TV persona, they all joke about the cars they "hate" But in reality though it may not be his favorite, I highly doubt you can hate amazingly cars like this! Though you could have a car you prefer.
I own a vintage 1983 Porsche 911 SC, simply amazing
+Trent Hamilton Agreed. Especially if you want to actually drive the car.
Because they make a mid-engine car which is a superior platform intentionally sit under their rear-engine relic?
german engineering makes me really proud to be german :)
@LMF5000 obviously you have to remove the spaces and add dots between the words "carpages", "co" and "uk"
What is the song at 5:00 - 5:23? Does any one know?
Ill take the 911 Turbo. You can have 5 Ferraris.
Chuck Steak yup
Surprised that Jeremy is still a 911 hater
Maqsud Rezwan because he's stupid
I believe that's just a persona he puts on during filming. People say he's a hugely different person off-camera.
I've never driven a Porsche but the 911 is one of those cars very high up on my list.
I just came here for the "ice cream made from the bones of your defeated squash opponent" bit.
The 430 is a supercar & the 911 is sports car
So supercars are slower than sports cars?
Lol yes in this case
Lol in this case yes
Drive a GT3 and tell me its not a supercar.
I like these petrolhead discussions despite they are often between people who never drove the cars. Actually I drove the new TT in Germany recently and I was seriously surprised, it is a proper driver's car, not a hardcore one but one. A lot of people would disagree despite they haven't driven one. Makes it a bit pointless.
Its odd that I like Jeremy considering he hates my two favorite brands of autos: BMW and Porsche...and with no real reason. When asked about such he says BMW's are for people who do blah blah blah or Porsches are owned by people that blah blah blah. Never giving a concrete reason why he loathes them.
Because british people hates germany
He loves audi though
Wesley Delneste He used to love Audi's. Now he loves BMW and Mercedes. He respects Porsche more than ever but still mocks the 911 for the styling reminiscent of a Beetle.
Márcio Azevedo Not true:-)
Márcio Azevedo They don't hate Germans, i think they just have a lot of pride in British engineering.
What season was this episode?
Pardon my ignorance, but pray tell, what in the world is a peach and peacock lunch? I attempted to look it up with no result.
*cough* GT2-RS *cough*
All Porsches looks the same.
Total agree
Should've gone to specsavers.
Twin scroll Turbo they only make one model...again...and again...and again...
@shahulhusman depends on wich car you get, both the Turbo and the Turbo S is faster than the GTR, aswell as the GT2 and GT2 RS
I'd take Ferrari 430 over any porsche any day!
+Sam Rad
Please do show me a stock Ferrari with 150k kilometers on the clock without any engine overhaul, they simply do not last:)
Roman Scratchwood +Roman Scratchwood +Roman Scratchwood lol, the more you drive Ferraris the better they get. Maybe you are not aware of the appalling unreliability of ALL Porsches?
Sam Rad Wow! how could I have been so ignorant? Sorry my friend, but your argument clearly states that you are either a internet theorist or just a Ferrari fanboy... or both :)
Roman Scratchwood and you are... another videogame expert!
Sam Rad I own an impreza prodrive and a 911 4s and I've got nothing to prove to people like you here in the web :) I never write any comments on YouLube because it is infested by theory trolls posting silly comments about "appalling unreliability of ANY Porsche" and similar.. This will never stop, *ignore mode on*