Building highspeed train station away city centre is one way of keeping the overall cost down and a line actually built. The first time I took China 's 350 km/h train in 2010, the station was far from city center and there was absolutely nothing but farmland around it. In 2018 I returned to take train from the same station, it was connected by subway, very easy to get to and surrounding area were all built up. If such an approach were followed, HS2 might stiil have been alive.
Yes - I used the hi-speed network a few times between about 2012 and 2015, and it always involved a out of town station with a bus shuttle. I mention it now, and people say, 'nah - there is a metro link'. I reply - 'there is a metro link NOW, but not when I used the station'. Still remember Chengdu hi-speed station. It honestly made UK *airports* look positively Victorian. And it was a train station! (Had much more of an airport vibe about it though.)
13:17 I'm Indonesian resides in Bandung near Tegalluar Station. They choose the area as the terminus station location because in the nearby area, they will build a brand new modern city for business and hopefully the Provincial government complex called Tegalluar City. But the plan is not detailled yet. Nearby the station, there's also a high-class housing complex and large shopping mall which already under construction, a large football stadium in the station access road (Gelora Bandung Lautan Api Stadium), and a new tourist destination not far from the station (Al Jabbar Mosque with beautiful architecture)
At present, there are 554 high-speed railway stations in China, none of which is built in the city center. This is impossible. It is not only a matter of purchasing land. Buildings and high-rise buildings on the ground all cost money. In addition to the huge cost, there are countless traffic roads in the city that need to cross the high-speed railway track and have to be redesigned and built again. The railway track must be built overhead, so how many houses will be demolished is unimaginable. If the station is located in the city center, it will greatly destroy the commercial environment that has already formed along the railway track, and the noise brought about is also a big problem. No country will do so.
The reason they staked the terminal far out from urban centers is “you build they’ll come”, a tried and trued vision for decades in China. The location of stations spearheads the local growth.
@@NonstopEurotripThere's a big Summarecon Estate 8 minutes from tegalluar station. The houses price is the same as Bandung inner city price even higher.
@@avil8686 Urban sprawl in eastern Bandung is not something to ignore, and residents deserve having a quick access to Jakarta rather than depending on Cipularang highway exit on Cileunyi.
I think it's more down to cost and complexity. Even with these out of town stations the whole project was delayed many times and almost didn't make the opening date. A direct line between central jakarta and bandung would be far more useful. But sure, maybe in 10 or 15 years, halim and padalarang would become massive commuter towns.
Finally as Indonesian and railway enthusiast or I would say railfan 🤷🏻♂️ I'm glad that proper train review come to Indonesia and ride our train! 🤟🏻 Yes indeed we have many railway enthusiast community here and the train culture is often overlooked, now you just found us.
Not only railway enthusiast, Indonesia also have bus, truck and any other public transport enthusiasts. Sometimes we just get on public transportation just for fun, not for reaching any destination.
Well done Indonesia, something to be proud of. Hopefully the line is extended across Java soon. Oh, how I wish Thailand would speed up their HSR-contruction.
Yeeeaayy 😂 finally whoooshhh. As far as I know, the argue of positioning a stations far from anywhere is intended to attract development more evenly and not just focus on booth cities of Bandung and Jakarta. Such as Karawang where located outside the Jakarta area, hundreds industries located. Many Japanese, Korean, Chinese and even European expatriates are working in industrial areas but still living in central city, either Jakarta or Bandung. So building a station in far from city area, expected to laverage new cities area, new business center will be built, new hotels, new meeting points, new hospitals, new offices will emerge, which will stimulate economic growth in whole aspects not limited to sell train ticket only
And to add, Padalarang makes a lot of sense if you want to connect to the resort region of Lembang. That place gets absolutely rammo during the holidays. Like you say, it would totally make sense to have the trains running to Jogja and Surabaya, since one would argue that Jogja and Solo comprises of the cultural heartland of central Java, with Surabaya also being a major port and centre of commerce. Much like taking the 9:20 from Kings Cross to Edinburgh via York and Newcastle. Similar-ish sorta distances, except you probably won't be subject to a seismic event when you're flying past North Berwick and Dunbar.
@@NonstopEurotrip - No worries - I've found yours and Superalb's channels very useful when in travelling in Europe for work too! Going to Wien Hauptbahnhof for the first time IRL felt very familiar! As a sidenote, you should probably do a review of the KAI intercity Argo trains and see what your experience is. Hawkers bundling on the train selling their wares was commonplace, as was the busking and entertainment at every station. Heaven forbid if you were caught on the train between two major cities when football was on. It makes that scene in Green Street where Charlie Hunnam pulls the brakes appear like child's play! Many a rolling stock and stations got bare merked
As someone from neighbouring Philippines, I feel envious. I hope the trains would be maintained as prescribed so that they would stand the test of time and still feel new through the years to come. Congratulations to my Indonesian brothers/sisters for a successful and well-received high-speed train debut ❤
@@NonstopEurotrip A new line rather than a revival. But as with any infrastructure plans in our country, a plan would most likely remain a plan even after ages 😂
@@axe3425 I would rather not talk politics in this place, but I don't think the US partnership is directly related. The only national railway track, while it began during the Spanish period, was thoroughly expanded while the country was under American rule. And our weapons are nothing to brag about, probably we would still get obliterated by every single Southeast Asian country (except Timor Leste) should we go to war against one of them 😂
Why Whoosh station in suburban area : 1. If it is build in city center the cost will be very expensive especially for land acquisition. And also traffic nightmare during construction because both Jakarta and Bandung are city with large and dense population 2. Tegalluar station near with Gedebage area. Gedebage is planned to be new administration center for city of Bandung and also Bandung Technopolis 3. Tegalluar located in East Bandung, Padalarang in West Bandung. So this project in the long term also aims to provide equitable development in the Bandung and West Java regions Both Padalarang and Tegalluar station can be reach by multiple type of transportation
12:00 Tegalluar is the eastern suburb of Bandung. The government said that they built the terminus station there to help develop the region more. This is also what China did with their high speed railway system, they built the HSR stations a bit away from the city center. However, some speculations also rises. If they built the new station in downtown Bandung the cost would be much higher as they need to buy expensive lands and relocate many people
At present, there are 554 high-speed railway stations in China, none of which is built in the city center. This is impossible. It is not only a matter of purchasing land. Buildings and high-rise buildings on the ground all cost money. In addition to the huge cost, there are countless traffic roads in the city that need to cross the high-speed railway track and have to be redesigned and built again. The railway track must be built overhead, so how many houses will be demolished is unimaginable. If the station is located in the city center, it will greatly damage the commercial environment along the railway track, and the noise brought about is also a big problem. No country will do so.
Very interesting perspective. They chose to build there because the area was planned to become the new administrative capital of the West Java government. There is a document on the JICA website that states this. I totally agree, they have to extend the line to Surabaya as soon as possible, we are too late.
Congrats for your experience on the high speed train! For the ticket price, currenrly there is a 50% discount for Economy Premium class till November 30th 2023, so the actual price is 300k IDR (around 20 USD). It's a bit pricey for average Indonesian wages, but the price are bit similar to Eksekutif class (1st class) of conventional train so it still competitive. Not to mention it take 1/3 less time of travel compared to conventional train, and obviously far faster than road that often have traffic jam. For the location of station that quite far from city center, this is due to the expensive land aquisition on the city center, so they choose to built on the edge of town which is cheaper. The foreign country investor, PRC are known for this method when they built the new railway. Also, the company that run the train, KCIC are looking for more land near station area. They want to built transit oriented development area near the station so they can gain profit by land property business. This can't be done in center of city where most of the land are privately owned by the civil, so they built the station on the suburb or even near rural place for cheaper and easier to get land for their property business. What we seen as rural place near the station right now will become a central business area, just like the famous "out of nowhere" Caojiawan Station of Chonqing Metro in PRC that now become developed area. Not to mention there is a plan of moving the central of provincial government of West Java to the Tegalluar area so that make sense.
Yeah! The one we've been waiting for. Can't wait to view the other trips, especially Bali. I love Asian food and once had Indonesian cuisine in Holland. Would love to see a food tour. Did you notice any of the former Dutch presence? Thanks for bringing the world to us. Rick
Fantastic to see the enthusiasm of Indonesians. It’s great to see the advent of new transit technology in different parts of the world. Congratulations from the EU! Looking forward to your video on the Indian Shinkansen in a few years.
@@NonstopEurotrip Indonesia has one of the largest rail-fan community in the world. Among the best.. I love how us Indonesians started to became less car-centric and move out to rail-based public transport. Hopefully there will be more rapid transit systems throughout other cities. I love trains so much, feel like I could marry a CC206 one day😂😂
@@NonstopEurotrip This is the first high-speed rail project led by the Indian government to invest and build in Southeast Asia, which is 70% owned by Indonesian state-owned enterprises and 30% owned by India's Tata Group, or KCII for short. KCII ：Kereta Cepat Indonesia India
Finally, your review is available. The wait is over! Thank you for your compliments and positive feedback. Indonesian railfans are somewhat "die hard" by travelling far to India and Japan in order to experience railways in other countries. Hope you still keep in touch with them so that in the future you will be updated by any improvement / line extention. Good luck!
Was a little shocked (positively) to see you mentioning India over here. The grandeur of Indian Railways is truly marvellous, lacking only in punctuality and speed. The upcoming bullet train project will surely be a beacon to tackle the later issue. Congratulations for this amazing achievement !
@@AmanKumar-wh8tk Sure. You can visit the RUclips channel of Andriawan Pratikno or Yuzril Ihza to see their experience in India last October (I think). There were around 7 Indonesian railfans traveling around India.
@@AmanKumar-wh8tk lmao WTF was that ? Indian railway is shitty af. Not only they are slow and not punctual, they are disgusting af. A person from developed nation will get sick if they travel in Indian railway. The toilets are worse than prison lmao. The vast majority of Indians travel in such inhuman conditions. Have you ever travelled in general coach of any Indian express trains ? Heck even sleeper class is new general class these days. 3rd/2nd class coaches are now encroached by freeloaders these days. Travel in any sleeper/2nd class coaches for once and then you will know Indian railway is worst in the world. 200-300 people travel in a coach which is supposed to carry no more than 72 people. That's how bad the conditions are. Plus world's most disgusting toilets stand between them.
While india is struggling to open it's 50km initial hsr line out of 500km in 2026, from Japanese shinkasen technology.The ambitious project is in serious lag and hurdled in land acquisition issues..
No you are wrong here india may be slow but in next 10 to 15 years the length of route of india will be many time larger than indonesia as india is using it's own worker with partnering with japan meaning they want to learn to build bullet train while indonesia just want to build one so they use just vhinese machine that's all. as what they don't want to build more ??😮
@@MyWrong Did you know why our government choose China ? Because in one of the term agreement China they should make the TOT, transfer of techology. The next phase to Surabaya + 700 km local content of the project will be made locally and some from China.
From the discussions I've read, they've decided to build the stations further out of the city to cut cost and also avoid the additional time needed to acquire property and build through build up areas.
There were other plans to connect from city center to city center that would include undergorund tunnels inside both cities which would add more cost significantly. They took this one because it’s already expensive and controversial. Tegalluar stasion was always in the plan for the final depot where there is enough land for parking and maintenance facilities, and that the city was already planned to extend to that area.
@@NonstopEurotrip It probably would not according to Chinese experience, especially if they build the new city around the station and move the Business district to the new city around the station, which has a lot of successful examples like Zhengzhou, Shenzhen and Shanghai. Then they become the new city center or at least the second center of the city.
@@NonstopEurotripbut yeah, I agree they need to build proper mass transit connecting the city center and the station, like all the large station in China has metro connection. Relying on cars will make the local traffic a disaster.
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Glad that you used the new LRT on its earlier weeks than what it is now, the trains broken down so much at the moment to the point of them having hourly headways and many Whoosh passengers were reportedly stranded. However, we Indonesian glad you've enjoyed the trip on our HSR! Hoping to see more of your trips on Indonesian trains!
The MRT is supervised by Japanese, The HSR is supervised by Chinese, The LRT is supervised by the locals. Quite telling isnt it? 😅 ah well part of learning curve i guess.... 😅😅😅
@@harukrentz435its the very first time. japan and china has years of experience. thing is you may make mistakes but then you will learn. if you dont even start from somewhere you wont even go anywhere.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 it's not the first time for Bombardier and Siemens tho.. LRT Jabodebek uses their technology. Indonesia has 2 LRT lines since 2018. Jakarta airport also has automated guided transit system. So we actually have a lot of experience. But LRT Jabodebek is in a larger scale, we need to improve and learn more
@@NonstopEurotrippadalarang also have feeder train to bandung station city centre its pretty well connected just 20 minutes from padalarang, you dont have to down on tegalluar if you want to go to city centre
yesss we love trainss 11:40 . 12:18 Land acquisition costs are very expensive in the city center, so the best option so that construction is not delayed is with a connecting station and a location that is not too busy...
@@NonstopEurotrip Hopefully in the future it will be like that, or at least at the next stop when the train passes other big cities... especially Surabaya
@@NonstopEurotrip initially the plan was to bulid the HSR station in the Same are as currently under expansion Manggarai Central station, where in the few years it will act as Hub for Rail Transport in Jakarta like KRL Bogor Line & Cikarang Loopline, LRT Jkarta, Airport Link And KAI intercity services.. But the plan was drop do to the cost of land accusision
The stations are positioned where they are primarily to save costs related to land procurement. The Tegalluar stationed is there to allow new developments to be built in that area.
Locating the stations farther away from City Centers was definitely a cost-saving measure. If they're farther away, the land is much cheaper and the construction will face less obstacles that require costly infrastructure to navigate. This way, the high speed train stations and infra go down more quickly and in a place where the cities expect future development to occur. It's far away from the city center now, but once new metro rail and apartments go up, it will be another node in a polycentric cityscape, and one connected by high speed rail. It's good planning for the future, especially since high speed rail projects like these are systems that will last several generations, potentially even a century or more if they're maintained well.
This High Speed Rail project is planned to go all the way east of the island of Java maybe even into Bali in the future, I guess that's why the line goes bypassing Bandung central
It.s not that “middle of nowhere”, because tegalluar is for people of eastern bandung.. there is a new stadium, new grand mosque, and near universities complex of jatinangor
I need to add riding the _Whoosh_ KCIC bullet train on my bucket list when I travel to Indonesia this December. High-speed rail has come to the Southern Hemisphere! 🚆
They currently operate 14 round trips with hourly service from 5am to 21pm..a lot of people wanna ride this Whoosh . FirstClass & Business class ticket include a lounge at the station And snack services.. I am waiting for the Compartment Suites review...
I have answer to your question why the station are located in the outer part of the city Land acquisition, that's the main issue, it's easier to build in the outer part of the city rather than to the central part
In my experience living in China, in addition to the land acquisition factor, there is also the intention to use the railway station for real estate and commercial development
@@NonstopEurotrip In Jakarta it's connected to LRT, The Padalarang is connected with conventional line station and Tegalluar is actually intended to bring real estate development and the location is not far from the main stadium of Bandung. You see the Halim station is not completely terminus, that's because they intended to bring it to the city center, but I don't see that in the next 10 years as now our focus is to extend the line to Surabaya.
Bandung grows so quickly I'm sure in a few years the new station will be completely engulfed. Suburbs are exploding. Wise of them to plan ahead so they will have plenty of space, actually.
Great trip. Finally, you try this Whoosh High Speed Train, and specially this trip is opening of all Indonesian Train Trip Adventures. Talking about LRT, based what I watch on another channel, in current time some Whoosh schedule can't be serve by LRT due to first LRT operating around 6.30 in the morning, meanwhile Whoosh schedule is earlier than this, so if you take early departure, take another transportation mode. 150.000 IDR, also based from video at another channel is just limited time promotional fare for celebrating 8 years anniversary of company, the normal fare of Premium Economy is around 300.000 IDR. The reason of why this station isn't centrally located is due to land acquisition is unbelievably expensive around city centre, and maybe geographical position, especially Bandung since this city sitting on Highlands. Maybe Tegalluar sitting in middle of Nowhere, but not far from this station, there's two main attraction, Al Jabbar Mosque, and GBLA Stadium. Can't wait for another train trip in Indonesia, especially that Railbus 😂😂😂😂
the plan to extend the route to surabaya, there is a social problem in indonesia, namely the term "java-centric" so many people think that development money for hsr is better used to build a transportation network outside the island of java where transportation options are still limited. as is known on the island of java there is already a network of toll roads and railways that are "enough". anyway, thanks for coming to Indonesia
There are train in Sumatera and Sulawesi island. But using train as transportation not high demand yet, and also land acquisition is so difficult than in java island.
masalahnya uang untuk pembangunan kereta cepat bukan uang dari anggaran belanja negara kita, itu uang tiongkok dengan skema business to business. uang anggaran belanja negara memang dikhususkan untuk membangun infrastruktur dasar negara kita seperti jalan raya, bendungan, jalur kereta api, pelabuhan, bandara dll.
Saya sebagai orang jawa juga berharap pulau besar lain di Indonesia dpt transportasi massal yg layak, tp mungkin utk skrg kayaknya masih di prioritaskan infrastruktur dasar dulu, cth : jalan, jembatan, bendungan, dsb. Semoga, nantinya perlahan tp pasti jg dibangukan transportasi massal juga sprt : kereta di sulawesi, lrt di palembang, lrt di bali(rencananya)
Finally there is a video about Indonesian trains 😂, it's very strange that you have videos of trains in Southeast Asian countries but not Indonesia, which incidentally is the largest country in Southeast Asia 🤣🤣🤣.
Jakarta and Bandung are both quite sprawly cities so even if you go to the "central" stations of the old line you will still inevitably spend the better part of an hour (or more) getting to your final destination. Given the extra cost it would have been to go further into the city I think it's an ok trade off. The main problem at Bandung right now is the local bus services are lacking at the new stations.
A combination of high and semi-low density sprawls. Don't let the sprawl fool you, a lot of them are denser than European cities. Although planned development are indeed more low-density (not as low density as American suburbs but still sprawly)
For Bandung area is deemed to expensive to build the High-speed train station inside city central due to they have to be build it fully underground because the high speed train have to travel near military airforce based there for cannot be build elevated and the government apparently cannot get more loan to build it integrated with Bandung central railway station and they decided not to because in fear that our government cannot pay up the debt. In the future they are planned to be build another station in the between Padalarang and tegalluar because it would be cut the distance from 15km to 5km from Bandung city central. I'm also have been try this high speed train and I have same problems as you mentioned in the video. Thank you for making a voice of it and hopefully indonesian government and KCIC can address that problems in the future.
@@NonstopEurotrip yeah I hope so, because i heard that the KCIC want to make the frequency to every 30 - 10 minutes, and with such long distance to go for the relay service, it could be a problems if they are any disturbance on the conventional line, I just hope the KCIC have the funding for building that new station in between Padalarang and tegalluar to cut distance from Bandung city central from 15km into 5km.
8:06 is your answer to earlier question. The biggest barrier in any transport project in this most populous island is land acquisition. It is prohibitively expensive both in money and political will to build a viaduct into the historic heart of Bandung. You can see here the inner city highway, another elevated highway, the automated train and the high speed rail all run parallel to save space despite not being the most optimal configuration. Same thing on the east end of the line where the tracks runs beside the highway.
@Nonstop Eurotrip: Your video has barely been out for an hour: And you have 129 comments already. 😂 | Brilliant Intro & Those trains are just an incredible feat of engineering & technology. Insane: One thing: the direct rail connection to Bandung makes a lot of sense, the last station is probably just an infill station, there are probably plans for bandung to get a metro system, thats connected to the "whoosh" & redevelop the land around it.
Great video . This should inspire many to add wonderful Indonesia to their travel list . I believe this line was opened the week that Westminster announced the shelving of the Birmingham to Manchester high speed project . I have been informed that China opened FIVE new high speed routes around the same time .
13:18 Answering that question here by quoting Alan Fisher when he reacted to Economics Explained video about induced demand, considering this is also a Chinese HSR issue as well: "It's super impressive that China built their entire network out incredibly quickly, but one of the sacrifices that they had to make to do this was to locate primary stops for individual cities far outside of the city centers. It's a design choice you have to make when you don't want to spend the time and money designing complex ways to build through city centers of metro areas, figuring out how to displace the least amount of people, businesses, and transit routes while staying on time"
At present, there are 600 high-speed railway stations in China, none of which is built in the city center. This is impossible. It is not only a matter of purchasing land. Buildings and high-rise buildings on the ground all cost money. In addition to the huge cost, there are countless traffic roads in the city that need to cross the high-speed railway track and have to be redesigned and built again. The railway track must be built overhead, so how many houses will be demolished is unimaginable. If the station is located in the city center, it will greatly destroy the commercial environment that has already formed along the railway track, and the noise brought about is also a big problem. No country will do so.
Not quite correct, strictly speaking. Xiamen has a high speed rail station in its centre, though admittedly most services don't run through here. Shenzhen has Futian station, right in the centre of the city. I can't speak much for other cities though, and Guangzhounan is very inconveniently located. @@DuChen-py7gl
I think it should go from Medan all way to Bali. And I think those rural stations are great if Indonesia government decided the city center is too dense and they want to create a new downtown to spread the density. Like Osaka and shin-Osaka
It would be impossible to extend the line to Bali due to cultural reasons. It would make more sense to extend the line to Madura (Bangkalan, Sampang, Pamekasan, Sumenep) instead since the line is planned to be extended to Surabaya anyway.
The location of new stations is to promote the development of the new area, and also alleviate the heavy burden of transportation in the city center. I believe there would be eventually subways/light rail to connect the new station with the city center as what China did for theirs.
Wow I loved the video and The "Whoosh". Really happy for Indonesia to be the first one in the southern hemisphere to develop a fastest train as said in the video. That's awesome! However, Here in India, The 'Japanese Shinkasen' is only 40-45% completed. We still need time. Hopefully we could catch up to Indonesia by 2026 in the bullet train concept. 😅 Yes! it might take that much time cuz most of the people are refusing to give up their lands as the total distance of the corridor is 508 kms. Well! Props to the both rapid developing nations. And cheers to Indonesia. 🫡
India is getting very good contracts from Japan, high loans with interest rate of only 0.1%, almost at Japan's own expense to build the bullet train in India, which is unbelievable
😁 get into the train look at the area, sit for a while, get into the toilet, get out of the toilet the train has arrived in Bandung. 🤣🤣 recording & good trip my brother 👌👍👍
Wicked video man! Glad you made it over to Indo. Did you manage to get the Parahyangan between Jakarta and Bandung whilst you were there? I used to enjoy sticking my head against the window as a kid whenever it went over the viaducts. I always thought I could make a small fortune doing correct English translations and phonic corrections whenever I went back as a kid to see my family. You mention the seat width - I guess you've probably found out that Indonesian folk are absolutely titchy! If you've ever sat in a Jakarta Kopaja or Mayasari Bakti Patas bus and are of average western frame, you'd probably feel last night satay and this morning's bubur ayam squeeze out of every nether orifice! But yeah, Jakarta Bandung is basically Indonesia's analogue to HS2 and probably should remove a shitton of cars from the Tol road. Biggest difference is you don't have NIMBY Tories telling the programme to stick tunnels through the hills, whereas this line proudly exhibits the vistas for the #trainwindowviews. Although, land reclamation/purchasing for civil infrastructure projects is also somewhat contentious in Indonesia. Also, when I were a sprog, Gambir station was at ground level and to have AC on any sort of journey on Bima or any of the Senja trains, you needed to get executive class. Glad to see things have advanced quite a bit in the old motherland. Improving the rail infrastracture around Java will reduce the congested skies to, but also piss off a lot of the other islands due to the lack of similar mega infrastructure projects.
as far as i know, the local govt. planning to build a new economic center around Tegalluar and Padalarang, so they placed those two stations there. btw nice content as always, waiting for your next vids.
The original plan (proposed by Japan) was actually for Bandung Station to be upgraded to allow for elevated HSR access. It appears that China has taken the approach that they have used in their home country; to place the stations towards the satellite areas of the city. Not completely sure of any other reason as to the placement of the stations in Bandung
And it will finish in 2030s. Land acquisition is really hard nowadays and going in city center means removing a lot of people. We just do how any other countries do to their new HSR lines, building their stations in city outskirts. But honestly this line is a pretty extreme example of bad planning😂😂
Another factor to consider is the train noise affecting the neighborhood along the HSR. Japanese HSR's operational speed is only 320 km because they want to reduce the noise since they build their stations inside the city area. So building train station outside of the city area can solve this problem, and speed up the project and aslo make it cheaper to build.
6:40 that first bit of rail is on concrete sleepers with rocks. I recently took the Fuxing train Shanghai to Beijing return and there full width concrete sleepers the whole way 8:47 , even at the platform. One of my trains was late and the train accelerated out of the station and up to 250kph within a minute or so. Looks like someone doesn’t want the trains moving too quickly thru this section of track.
100% controlled by a computer, but there’s still a staff in the train who always check the safety of passengers and the train, the lrt also have lot of problems, the waiting time is 1 hours now(normally 15 minutes) due to massive maintenance to most of the trainset on the same time
For the travel route to Surabaya, Indonesia and China have agreed to continue it.but the train that will be used is a fast train from Indonesia itself. It is currently in the development and manufacturing process, and will be tested in 2026 at a speed of 250 km/h. and is called the red and white fast train
Lu masih belum bisa bedain ya kereta cepat merah putih itu lewat utara beda dengan ini lewat jalur yang udah ada tinggal upgrade kereta kalo whoosh ya tetep china lewat selatan
@@NonstopEurotrip Semi HSR built by Indonesian Railway Company would be different from this Whoosh HSR, Semi HSR will connect Jakarta wirh Surabaya in the North Line existed railway just upgrade the train, and whoosh would connected to Surabaya also in the south line
The bridge would be an engineering marvel since it has to consider not only the span of the bridge but also sunda tectonic plate and krakatoa super volcano very nearby.
In 3yrs Indian HSR project will be completed which is the Japanese shinkansen & you must definitely come to try it . Meanwhile we have just launched a semi high speed regional transport system RRTS with operational speed of 160kmph .
@@leichen8000 According to our Minister of Investment, the government has officially collaborated with China in building the Jakarta-Surabaya "Whoosh" high-speed train.
The Tegalluar-Gedebage area is projected to be the new government center for the West Java provincial government since the current city center is quite packed
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Building highspeed train station away city centre is one way of keeping the overall cost down and a line actually built. The first time I took China 's 350 km/h train in 2010, the station was far from city center and there was absolutely nothing but farmland around it. In 2018 I returned to take train from the same station, it was connected by subway, very easy to get to and surrounding area were all built up. If such an approach were followed, HS2 might stiil have been alive.
It’s Indonesian built it. Nothing about China. We will sell it to others country and make our GDP growth
china development is insane
Yes - I used the hi-speed network a few times between about 2012 and 2015, and it always involved a out of town station with a bus shuttle. I mention it now, and people say, 'nah - there is a metro link'. I reply - 'there is a metro link NOW, but not when I used the station'.
Still remember Chengdu hi-speed station. It honestly made UK *airports* look positively Victorian. And it was a train station! (Had much more of an airport vibe about it though.)
Building it away from the city is to devalue the project
中国发展高铁，还会考虑十年以后，五十年上百年以后，城市的发展规模，把高铁建设的远一些不会影响城市发展。
13:17 I'm Indonesian resides in Bandung near Tegalluar Station. They choose the area as the terminus station location because in the nearby area, they will build a brand new modern city for business and hopefully the Provincial government complex called Tegalluar City. But the plan is not detailled yet. Nearby the station, there's also a high-class housing complex and large shopping mall which already under construction, a large football stadium in the station access road (Gelora Bandung Lautan Api Stadium), and a new tourist destination not far from the station (Al Jabbar Mosque with beautiful architecture)
Thanks for the information 🙂ℹ️
At present, there are 554 high-speed railway stations in China, none of which is built in the city center. This is impossible. It is not only a matter of purchasing land. Buildings and high-rise buildings on the ground all cost money. In addition to the huge cost, there are countless traffic roads in the city that need to cross the high-speed railway track and have to be redesigned and built again. The railway track must be built overhead, so how many houses will be demolished is unimaginable. If the station is located in the city center, it will greatly destroy the commercial environment that has already formed along the railway track, and the noise brought about is also a big problem. No country will do so.
The reason they staked the terminal far out from urban centers is “you build they’ll come”, a tried and trued vision for decades in China. The location of stations spearheads the local growth.
True!👍
Let's hope it works out!
@@NonstopEurotripThere's a big Summarecon Estate 8 minutes from tegalluar station. The houses price is the same as Bandung inner city price even higher.
@@avil8686 Urban sprawl in eastern Bandung is not something to ignore, and residents deserve having a quick access to Jakarta rather than depending on Cipularang highway exit on Cileunyi.
I think it's more down to cost and complexity. Even with these out of town stations the whole project was delayed many times and almost didn't make the opening date.
A direct line between central jakarta and bandung would be far more useful. But sure, maybe in 10 or 15 years, halim and padalarang would become massive commuter towns.
Wow Indonesia has better train than my country greetings from Australia 🇦🇺
Yeppp
Oke brother ❤🇮🇩
Hope Australia government build Sydney - Melbourne hsr
But, u have The Ghann.... Its dream for me ❤
There is no infrastructure project I would prefer over HSR from Melb-Syd
finally a proper professional train reviewer came to Indonesia 🤟👍, Hopefully this opportunity will not be the last time you come to Indonesia again.
I'll absolutely be back 😀
とても待ち望んだ高速鉄道みたいですね。嬉しさがこちらにも伝わってきます。1人でも多くの人が利用して1日でも早い全線開通を願ってます。
Oh yeah 👍🏻
この鉄道が日本を騙して作られたの知らないの？
残念ながら、Wooshは全線開通はできないですね。既に中国が懸念を示しています。代わりにやる国はありません、日本は断りました。また、中国経済はほぼ確実に崩壊するので、そうしたら中国から部品やメンテナンスの供給ができなくなります。しかも、Wooshの建設には中国からドル建て。インドネシア政府はどうするんでしょうね？
@@ひいらぎまもる Cope
@@ひいらぎまもる You are right, China's economy has been collapsing for 30 years, and every year it collapses once more.
❤love and congratulations to Indonesia
From India
Finally as Indonesian and railway enthusiast or I would say railfan 🤷🏻♂️ I'm glad that proper train review come to Indonesia and ride our train! 🤟🏻
Yes indeed we have many railway enthusiast community here and the train culture is often overlooked, now you just found us.
I can't wait to share my other trips, I had an amazing time in Indonesia!!
Not only railway enthusiast, Indonesia also have bus, truck and any other public transport enthusiasts.
Sometimes we just get on public transportation just for fun, not for reaching any destination.
It’s Indonesian built it. Nothing about China. We will sell it to others country and make our GDP growth
Well done Indonesia, something to be proud of. Hopefully the line is extended across Java soon.
Oh, how I wish Thailand would speed up their HSR-contruction.
Yeeeaayy 😂 finally whoooshhh. As far as I know, the argue of positioning a stations far from anywhere is intended to attract development more evenly and not just focus on booth cities of Bandung and Jakarta. Such as Karawang where located outside the Jakarta area, hundreds industries located. Many Japanese, Korean, Chinese and even European expatriates are working in industrial areas but still living in central city, either Jakarta or Bandung. So building a station in far from city area, expected to laverage new cities area, new business center will be built, new hotels, new meeting points, new hospitals, new offices will emerge, which will stimulate economic growth in whole aspects not limited to sell train ticket only
Interesting, thank you! And welcome to the channel 😄
你说的是对的，中国的高铁站也是这样布置的。
Precisely.
And to add, Padalarang makes a lot of sense if you want to connect to the resort region of Lembang. That place gets absolutely rammo during the holidays. Like you say, it would totally make sense to have the trains running to Jogja and Surabaya, since one would argue that Jogja and Solo comprises of the cultural heartland of central Java, with Surabaya also being a major port and centre of commerce.
Much like taking the 9:20 from Kings Cross to Edinburgh via York and Newcastle. Similar-ish sorta distances, except you probably won't be subject to a seismic event when you're flying past North Berwick and Dunbar.
Thanks for the information 🙂ℹ️
@@NonstopEurotrip - No worries - I've found yours and Superalb's channels very useful when in travelling in Europe for work too! Going to Wien Hauptbahnhof for the first time IRL felt very familiar!
As a sidenote, you should probably do a review of the KAI intercity Argo trains and see what your experience is.
Hawkers bundling on the train selling their wares was commonplace, as was the busking and entertainment at every station.
Heaven forbid if you were caught on the train between two major cities when football was on. It makes that scene in Green Street where Charlie Hunnam pulls the brakes appear like child's play!
Many a rolling stock and stations got bare merked
The true capital of Central Java is being left out as usual. 😂
As someone from neighbouring Philippines, I feel envious. I hope the trains would be maintained as prescribed so that they would stand the test of time and still feel new through the years to come.
Congratulations to my Indonesian brothers/sisters for a successful and well-received high-speed train debut ❤
Is there any plans for a revival of InterCity trains in the Philippines?!
@@NonstopEurotrip A new line rather than a revival. But as with any infrastructure plans in our country, a plan would most likely remain a plan even after ages 😂
It is a pity that the Philippines chose to cooperate with the United States, it got more American bases and more weapons, this is the price of choice
@@axe3425hahaha, the price of a deal with the devil
@@axe3425 I would rather not talk politics in this place, but I don't think the US partnership is directly related.
The only national railway track, while it began during the Spanish period, was thoroughly expanded while the country was under American rule. And our weapons are nothing to brag about, probably we would still get obliterated by every single Southeast Asian country (except Timor Leste) should we go to war against one of them 😂
Why Whoosh station in suburban area :
1. If it is build in city center the cost will be very expensive especially for land acquisition. And also traffic nightmare during construction because both Jakarta and Bandung are city with large and dense population
2. Tegalluar station near with Gedebage area. Gedebage is planned to be new administration center for city of Bandung and also Bandung Technopolis
3. Tegalluar located in East Bandung, Padalarang in West Bandung. So this project in the long term also aims to provide equitable development in the Bandung and West Java regions
Both Padalarang and Tegalluar station can be reach by multiple type of transportation
yes
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
土地征用的高成本是次要的。主要原因是在市中心建车站会给城市交通带来巨大压力。
你可以看看国际机场的建设。几乎每个机场都离城市很远，但随着城市的扩张，城市就会围绕着机场！高铁的客流量比飞机大得多，这意味着这里会有巨大的人流。更多的游客意味着更大的商机。开发商更愿意在游客多的地方建造购物中心、房地产和商业建筑。
商人或个体经营者也更愿意在旅游人流量大的地方做生意。
它将产生一些连锁反应并带动整个地区的经济，这将成为一个新的城市地区。
i try the first class few days ago. other than seat, i got vip lounge and snack (just a chocolate bread & juice) during the ride.
Mantap mas Wira, ternyata mas Wira penonton Nonstop Eurotrip juga hihihi
Super skali 😅
Our bullet train got so popular, they made a subreddit called Whoosh way before it was even planned 🔥🔥
Lol 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wait for India she is also preparing for it's high speed bullet train 🚅 🚄 🚆 Route from Mumbai to Ahmedabad at a speed of 320kmph.
@@abhisekbhattacharyya2878you gonna be waiting for long
@@budisoemantri2303 Will wait for it. Because after a long sucess we will get the taste of the long awaited fruit.
12:00 Tegalluar is the eastern suburb of Bandung. The government said that they built the terminus station there to help develop the region more. This is also what China did with their high speed railway system, they built the HSR stations a bit away from the city center.
However, some speculations also rises. If they built the new station in downtown Bandung the cost would be much higher as they need to buy expensive lands and relocate many people
But it would have been much more useful 😀
@NonstopEurotrip yeah true.. it has been one of the biggest criticisms of this project since the beginning
At present, there are 554 high-speed railway stations in China, none of which is built in the city center. This is impossible. It is not only a matter of purchasing land. Buildings and high-rise buildings on the ground all cost money. In addition to the huge cost, there are countless traffic roads in the city that need to cross the high-speed railway track and have to be redesigned and built again. The railway track must be built overhead, so how many houses will be demolished is unimaginable. If the station is located in the city center, it will greatly damage the commercial environment along the railway track, and the noise brought about is also a big problem. No country will do so.
@@NonstopEurotripWe generally choose to use urban rail transit (such as subway) for connection.
I think the intention is to develop new cities/centres around the stations in order to spread out the population.
Very interesting perspective.
They chose to build there because the area was planned to become the new administrative capital of the West Java government. There is a document on the JICA website that states this.
I totally agree, they have to extend the line to Surabaya as soon as possible, we are too late.
Thanks for the information
Congrats for your experience on the high speed train!
For the ticket price, currenrly there is a 50% discount for Economy Premium class till November 30th 2023, so the actual price is 300k IDR (around 20 USD). It's a bit pricey for average Indonesian wages, but the price are bit similar to Eksekutif class (1st class) of conventional train so it still competitive. Not to mention it take 1/3 less time of travel compared to conventional train, and obviously far faster than road that often have traffic jam.
For the location of station that quite far from city center, this is due to the expensive land aquisition on the city center, so they choose to built on the edge of town which is cheaper. The foreign country investor, PRC are known for this method when they built the new railway.
Also, the company that run the train, KCIC are looking for more land near station area. They want to built transit oriented development area near the station so they can gain profit by land property business. This can't be done in center of city where most of the land are privately owned by the civil, so they built the station on the suburb or even near rural place for cheaper and easier to get land for their property business. What we seen as rural place near the station right now will become a central business area, just like the famous "out of nowhere" Caojiawan Station of Chonqing Metro in PRC that now become developed area. Not to mention there is a plan of moving the central of provincial government of West Java to the Tegalluar area so that make sense.
KCIC is selling properties not only as transportation service
@@kibruazkaenk1510 That's my point. KCIC is actually a land property developer in disguise of railway company.
Thanks for the Information ☺️
@@NonstopEurotrip You're welcome
It's embarrassing how much better this is than US trains, despite the US being the supposedly wealthiest country in the world.
Too much dependency on cars and planes
US supremacy is steadily decreasing… what comes up, must come down
@@NonstopEurotrip well the planes operated by the 3 biggest carriers are quite old, noisy and with dated interiors....not even close to ME3 standards
spent too much on war.
US Negara yang mencetak uang paling banyak dan tercepat.😂😂
Yeah! The one we've been waiting for. Can't wait to view the other trips, especially Bali. I love Asian food and once had Indonesian cuisine in Holland. Would love to see a food tour. Did you notice any of the former Dutch presence? Thanks for bringing the world to us. Rick
You're welcome Rick. Apparently the Indonesian football team is full of Dutch nationals who have married Indonesian girls now ✌🏻 ⚽
Almost half of Indonesian national team is half dutch
Bali is like in other part of Indonesia lmao
Fantastic to see the enthusiasm of Indonesians. It’s great to see the advent of new transit technology in different parts of the world. Congratulations from the EU!
Looking forward to your video on the Indian Shinkansen in a few years.
Thank you. European trains are already extraordinary.
It really is a hidden train heaven!!
@@NonstopEurotrip Indonesia has one of the largest rail-fan community in the world. Among the best.. I love how us Indonesians started to became less car-centric and move out to rail-based public transport. Hopefully there will be more rapid transit systems throughout other cities. I love trains so much, feel like I could marry a CC206 one day😂😂
@@NonstopEurotrip This is the first high-speed rail project led by the Indian government to invest and build in Southeast Asia, which is 70% owned by Indonesian state-owned enterprises and 30% owned by India's Tata Group, or KCII for short.
KCII ：Kereta Cepat Indonesia India
@@wolfjr5219 WOWWWWW INDIAAAAAAAA
We Indonesians shall await with great interest on your really honest reviews of the other national train services 😊
Coming soon 😀
It’s Indonesian built it. We will sell it to others country and make our GDP growth
@@MAX-ky2ew it's Chinese built
Finally, your review is available. The wait is over! Thank you for your compliments and positive feedback. Indonesian railfans are somewhat "die hard" by travelling far to India and Japan in order to experience railways in other countries. Hope you still keep in touch with them so that in the future you will be updated by any improvement / line extention. Good luck!
I hope so too! Thanks for watching and I'll see you back for the next one 😀
Was a little shocked (positively) to see you mentioning India over here. The grandeur of Indian Railways is truly marvellous, lacking only in punctuality and speed. The upcoming bullet train project will surely be a beacon to tackle the later issue. Congratulations for this amazing achievement !
@@AmanKumar-wh8tk Sure. You can visit the RUclips channel of Andriawan Pratikno or Yuzril Ihza to see their experience in India last October (I think). There were around 7 Indonesian railfans traveling around India.
To India and Japan? Your train is literally built by Chinese. Japanese train aren’t even high-speed by Chinese train standard 😅
@@AmanKumar-wh8tk lmao WTF was that ? Indian railway is shitty af. Not only they are slow and not punctual, they are disgusting af. A person from developed nation will get sick if they travel in Indian railway. The toilets are worse than prison lmao. The vast majority of Indians travel in such inhuman conditions. Have you ever travelled in general coach of any Indian express trains ? Heck even sleeper class is new general class these days. 3rd/2nd class coaches are now encroached by freeloaders these days. Travel in any sleeper/2nd class coaches for once and then you will know Indian railway is worst in the world. 200-300 people travel in a coach which is supposed to carry no more than 72 people. That's how bad the conditions are. Plus world's most disgusting toilets stand between them.
Sejauh ini.. ini adalah review KCIC Whoosh terlengkap dan detail dari youtuber. Pengambilan gambarnya jg terlihat profesional.
Lebih bagus dari youtuber afiliasi menlen wkwk. Pure pov railway enthusiast, ga main geopolitik
Glad to hear it my friend ☺️
While india is struggling to open it's 50km initial hsr line out of 500km in 2026, from Japanese shinkasen technology.The ambitious project is in serious lag and hurdled in land acquisition issues..
No you are wrong here india may be slow but in next 10 to 15 years the length of route of india will be many time larger than indonesia as india is using it's own worker with partnering with japan meaning they want to learn to build bullet train while indonesia just want to build one so they use just vhinese machine that's all. as what they don't want to build more ??😮
There are no such issues bong bhenchod keede
And that's due to *****'COVID-19****** mofo
@@MyWrong Did you know why our government choose China ? Because in one of the term agreement China they should make the TOT, transfer of techology. The next phase to Surabaya + 700 km local content of the project will be made locally and some from China.
@@Dedek-cx4kn slow and steady is best
Congratulations to our Indonesian people.
Love from India. ❤️❤️❤️💐💐💐🎂🎂🎂🥂
Thank you 🇮🇩❤🇮🇳
From the discussions I've read, they've decided to build the stations further out of the city to cut cost and also avoid the additional time needed to acquire property and build through build up areas.
Indeed yes!
There were other plans to connect from city center to city center that would include undergorund tunnels inside both cities which would add more cost significantly. They took this one because it’s already expensive and controversial. Tegalluar stasion was always in the plan for the final depot where there is enough land for parking and maintenance facilities, and that the city was already planned to extend to that area.
You're right, land acquisition costs a lot of money, there are many obstacles, and not everyone will give up land
That's fair enough, I just hope it doesn't hurt the project in the long run!
@@NonstopEurotrip It probably would not according to Chinese experience, especially if they build the new city around the station and move the Business district to the new city around the station, which has a lot of successful examples like Zhengzhou, Shenzhen and Shanghai. Then they become the new city center or at least the second center of the city.
@@NonstopEurotripbut yeah, I agree they need to build proper mass transit connecting the city center and the station, like all the large station in China has metro connection. Relying on cars will make the local traffic a disaster.
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Oh I hope so Pedro, wouldn't that be amazing?!
@@NonstopEurotrip Yes, that'll be pricelessly amazing
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Glad that you used the new LRT on its earlier weeks than what it is now, the trains broken down so much at the moment to the point of them having hourly headways and many Whoosh passengers were reportedly stranded. However, we Indonesian glad you've enjoyed the trip on our HSR! Hoping to see more of your trips on Indonesian trains!
Yeah it's been quite the disaster launch I hear
The MRT is supervised by Japanese, The HSR is supervised by Chinese, The LRT is supervised by the locals. Quite telling isnt it? 😅 ah well part of learning curve i guess.... 😅😅😅
@@harukrentz435 It uses german techs but yeah with no supervising from german engineers.. disaster
@@harukrentz435its the very first time. japan and china has years of experience. thing is you may make mistakes but then you will learn. if you dont even start from somewhere you wont even go anywhere.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 it's not the first time for Bombardier and Siemens tho.. LRT Jabodebek uses their technology. Indonesia has 2 LRT lines since 2018. Jakarta airport also has automated guided transit system. So we actually have a lot of experience. But LRT Jabodebek is in a larger scale, we need to improve and learn more
A lot of French TGV stations are in the middle of nowhere, if you think about it, presumably within easy reach of their feeder towns.
Yes, but they are also connected pretty well, usually. Like with China they all have fully integrated frequent metro systems to the HS stations.
@@NonstopEurotrippadalarang also have feeder train to bandung station city centre its pretty well connected just 20 minutes from padalarang, you dont have to down on tegalluar if you want to go to city centre
Indonesia is incredible and beautiful. And so are the trains. Very nice.
Oh it so is Andrew 😀
Made by China, but Indonesians are the ones who are so proud. Ugly people and moron.
Thanks
Who are you fat man ?
Try to go to Bali!
yesss we love trainss 11:40 . 12:18 Land acquisition costs are very expensive in the city center, so the best option so that construction is not delayed is with a connecting station and a location that is not too busy...
Ultimately I think I would have been better to build one more centrally located station though!
@@NonstopEurotrip Hopefully in the future it will be like that, or at least at the next stop when the train passes other big cities... especially Surabaya
@@NonstopEurotrip initially the plan was to bulid the HSR station in the Same are as currently under expansion Manggarai Central station, where in the few years it will act as Hub for Rail Transport in Jakarta like KRL Bogor Line & Cikarang Loopline, LRT Jkarta, Airport Link And KAI intercity services.. But the plan was drop do to the cost of land accusision
The stations are positioned where they are primarily to save costs related to land procurement. The Tegalluar stationed is there to allow new developments to be built in that area.
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
again very similar to what the Chinese does
Congratulations indonesia your development is amazing 😍 love from India
I haven't been to Indonesia but it's good to see you guys got a bullet train 🎉
Made and designed by China.
I can't wait for your videos about your travels in Indonesia.
👍👍👍👍👍👍
The front of the train looks really cool and badass!! Those stations are so different from europe ones. No foodstalls or other stuff. Very clean.
💯 agree 👍
It’s Indonesian built it. Nothing about China. We will sell it to others country and make our GDP growth
是的，机车很酷，就像子弹一样，它具有完美的空气动力学形状，具有简单、性感和时尚的曲线
Locating the stations farther away from City Centers was definitely a cost-saving measure. If they're farther away, the land is much cheaper and the construction will face less obstacles that require costly infrastructure to navigate. This way, the high speed train stations and infra go down more quickly and in a place where the cities expect future development to occur. It's far away from the city center now, but once new metro rail and apartments go up, it will be another node in a polycentric cityscape, and one connected by high speed rail. It's good planning for the future, especially since high speed rail projects like these are systems that will last several generations, potentially even a century or more if they're maintained well.
This High Speed Rail project is planned to go all the way east of the island of Java maybe even into Bali in the future, I guess that's why the line goes bypassing Bandung central
You think too much, simply because of the line and the cost, and the extension line is difficult to achieve, Indonesia does not have so much money
@@axe3425it has been planned this high speed train will reach until Surabaya..
@@axe3425 $1.4Billion GDP laugh in hidden, even Spain with just slightly higher ($1.5Billion) capable to build the largest HSR network in Europe.
For projects that make sence,its ok to borrow money!
Not really because stations can have tracks at both ends 🙃
It.s not that “middle of nowhere”, because tegalluar is for people of eastern bandung.. there is a new stadium, new grand mosque, and near universities complex of jatinangor
😬😬😬
Western people dont understand the concept of development, they can only see 4 years max, but the Chinese are planning for decades ahead.
I need to add riding the _Whoosh_ KCIC bullet train on my bucket list when I travel to Indonesia this December.
High-speed rail has come to the Southern Hemisphere! 🚆
Welcome to Indonesia! Explore Jakarta by riding the LRT, MRT, and KRL / Commuter lines. The BRT is also the longest in the world.
You definitely do 🙂🙂🙂
They currently operate 14 round trips with hourly service from 5am to 21pm..a lot of people wanna ride this Whoosh . FirstClass & Business class ticket include a lounge at the station And snack services..
I am waiting for the Compartment Suites review...
Thanks for joining 😁
Now it is 28 trips / day transporting 12,000 - 14,000 pax.
Finally 🔥
Yeahhhh ☺️
I have answer to your question why the station are located in the outer part of the city
Land acquisition, that's the main issue, it's easier to build in the outer part of the city rather than to the central part
In my experience living in China, in addition to the land acquisition factor, there is also the intention to use the railway station for real estate and commercial development
To make a new city and bussines are
Which is fine if said station is connected to a fully integrated frequent metro
@@GlitchRobot precisely, in Jakarta now they build apartment complex close to the LRT station and the apartment called LRT City
@@NonstopEurotrip In Jakarta it's connected to LRT, The Padalarang is connected with conventional line station and Tegalluar is actually intended to bring real estate development and the location is not far from the main stadium of Bandung.
You see the Halim station is not completely terminus, that's because they intended to bring it to the city center, but I don't see that in the next 10 years as now our focus is to extend the line to Surabaya.
Bandung grows so quickly I'm sure in a few years the new station will be completely engulfed. Suburbs are exploding. Wise of them to plan ahead so they will have plenty of space, actually.
Great trip. Finally, you try this Whoosh High Speed Train, and specially this trip is opening of all Indonesian Train Trip Adventures. Talking about LRT, based what I watch on another channel, in current time some Whoosh schedule can't be serve by LRT due to first LRT operating around 6.30 in the morning, meanwhile Whoosh schedule is earlier than this, so if you take early departure, take another transportation mode. 150.000 IDR, also based from video at another channel is just limited time promotional fare for celebrating 8 years anniversary of company, the normal fare of Premium Economy is around 300.000 IDR. The reason of why this station isn't centrally located is due to land acquisition is unbelievably expensive around city centre, and maybe geographical position, especially Bandung since this city sitting on Highlands. Maybe Tegalluar sitting in middle of Nowhere, but not far from this station, there's two main attraction, Al Jabbar Mosque, and GBLA Stadium. Can't wait for another train trip in Indonesia, especially that Railbus 😂😂😂😂
Thanks so much for the information. I guess the fare increase depends on whether they can fill the trains in the next month ✌🏻
@@NonstopEurotrip I hope so, but looks like the fare is fixed.
the plan to extend the route to surabaya, there is a social problem in indonesia, namely the term "java-centric" so many people think that development money for hsr is better used to build a transportation network outside the island of java where transportation options are still limited. as is known on the island of java there is already a network of toll roads and railways that are "enough".
anyway, thanks for coming to Indonesia
WE HATE CAR CULTURE!
There are train in Sumatera and Sulawesi island.
But using train as transportation not high demand yet, and also land acquisition is so difficult than in java island.
Let's hope the trains can be improved across the whole of Indonesia 😍
masalahnya uang untuk pembangunan kereta cepat bukan uang dari anggaran belanja negara kita, itu uang tiongkok dengan skema business to business. uang anggaran belanja negara memang dikhususkan untuk membangun infrastruktur dasar negara kita seperti jalan raya, bendungan, jalur kereta api, pelabuhan, bandara dll.
Saya sebagai orang jawa juga berharap pulau besar lain di Indonesia dpt transportasi massal yg layak, tp mungkin utk skrg kayaknya masih di prioritaskan infrastruktur dasar dulu, cth : jalan, jembatan, bendungan, dsb. Semoga, nantinya perlahan tp pasti jg dibangukan transportasi massal juga sprt : kereta di sulawesi, lrt di palembang, lrt di bali(rencananya)
finally the video is up, probably missed a lot of your other video edits... just for us... thank you....
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@NonstopEurotrip thanks.. i love it
Great to see Indonesia progress. Their bullet train is amazing. Love From India.
Thank you friend 🇮🇩❤🇮🇳
@@yuzaboy8716 welcome 🇮🇳 💓 🇮🇩
😍😍😍
100% Chinese technology.
@@pjeng1Chinese? The technology was bought from Kawasaki.
I work in the blue building right in front of Cikoko station 1:21 . Thank you for visiting Indonesia.
Ah excellent 👍
Hello, thanks for new video. Congratulations for Indonesian train
Thank you very much!
YEEESS BABY.. RIDE THAT ON!
Oh yessssssss 😍😍😍
Finally there is a video about Indonesian trains 😂, it's very strange that you have videos of trains in Southeast Asian countries but not Indonesia, which incidentally is the largest country in Southeast Asia 🤣🤣🤣.
I was waiting for Whoosh and the compartment suites to open 👐
@@NonstopEurotripok, enjoy your journey sir 👍
Train & bus, these 2 public transportasion have many fanatic fans in indonesia, i hope you try them too.
I will soon 😊
Jakarta and Bandung are both quite sprawly cities so even if you go to the "central" stations of the old line you will still inevitably spend the better part of an hour (or more) getting to your final destination. Given the extra cost it would have been to go further into the city I think it's an ok trade off. The main problem at Bandung right now is the local bus services are lacking at the new stations.
Thanks 🙏🏻
A combination of high and semi-low density sprawls. Don't let the sprawl fool you, a lot of them are denser than European cities. Although planned development are indeed more low-density (not as low density as American suburbs but still sprawly)
For Bandung area is deemed to expensive to build the High-speed train station inside city central due to they have to be build it fully underground because the high speed train have to travel near military airforce based there for cannot be build elevated and the government apparently cannot get more loan to build it integrated with Bandung central railway station and they decided not to because in fear that our government cannot pay up the debt. In the future they are planned to be build another station in the between Padalarang and tegalluar because it would be cut the distance from 15km to 5km from Bandung city central. I'm also have been try this high speed train and I have same problems as you mentioned in the video. Thank you for making a voice of it and hopefully indonesian government and KCIC can address that problems in the future.
Thanks for the information, and fingers crossed for the future projects!
@@NonstopEurotrip yeah I hope so, because i heard that the KCIC want to make the frequency to every 30 - 10 minutes, and with such long distance to go for the relay service, it could be a problems if they are any disturbance on the conventional line, I just hope the KCIC have the funding for building that new station in between Padalarang and tegalluar to cut distance from Bandung city central from 15km into 5km.
@@daviano_R.T. absolutely 💯
Indonesia finished something that even US can't finish👍🏻
I can't wait for the full line to be completed 🤠
What is the main problem with the US railway?
Why aren't there trains like this one?
@@Carpe_Diem_40 probably the inflated cost for the land where the track is supposed to go through
@@Carpe_Diem_40 they see no need for HSR, and it's hard to compete with their car culture and flight
@@kibruazkaenk1510they don't need that, I think so
8:06 is your answer to earlier question. The biggest barrier in any transport project in this most populous island is land acquisition. It is prohibitively expensive both in money and political will to build a viaduct into the historic heart of Bandung. You can see here the inner city highway, another elevated highway, the automated train and the high speed rail all run parallel to save space despite not being the most optimal configuration. Same thing on the east end of the line where the tracks runs beside the highway.
Thanks for the information ☺️ℹ️
Finally, after waiting a long time, you can try trains in Indonesia. There's me in the intro, lol ✌
Thanks for letting me know 😁
Congrats to Indonesia...
@Nonstop Eurotrip: Your video has barely been out for an hour: And you have 129 comments already. 😂 | Brilliant Intro & Those trains are just an incredible feat of engineering & technology. Insane: One thing: the direct rail connection to Bandung makes a lot of sense, the last station is probably just an infill station, there are probably plans for bandung to get a metro system, thats connected to the "whoosh" & redevelop the land around it.
Amazing, right? Let's hope it pushes on over the weekend 😀
Love the intro bro!
Appreciate it dude xx
Yes...Yes...Yes...Whoosh 🎉...Thank Eurotrip 🇮🇩
You're welcome 🤗
Great video . This should inspire many to add wonderful Indonesia to their travel list . I believe this line was opened the week that Westminster announced the shelving of the Birmingham to Manchester high speed project . I have been informed that China opened FIVE new high speed routes around the same time .
Absolutely. The UK really needs to take note
Good job Indonesia and i wish we have bullet train in the Philippines
So do I, that would be great!!
13:18 Answering that question here by quoting Alan Fisher when he reacted to Economics Explained video about induced demand, considering this is also a Chinese HSR issue as well:
"It's super impressive that China built their entire network out incredibly quickly, but one of the sacrifices that they had to make to do this was to locate primary stops for individual cities far outside of the city centers. It's a design choice you have to make when you don't want to spend the time and money designing complex ways to build through city centers of metro areas, figuring out how to displace the least amount of people, businesses, and transit routes while staying on time"
But that's fine if it's linked with a fully integrated and frequent metro system like theirs are...
@@NonstopEurotrip I would agree, shame on Bandung tho, wish we could have European-level of public transport here outside Jakarta
At present, there are 600 high-speed railway stations in China, none of which is built in the city center. This is impossible. It is not only a matter of purchasing land. Buildings and high-rise buildings on the ground all cost money. In addition to the huge cost, there are countless traffic roads in the city that need to cross the high-speed railway track and have to be redesigned and built again. The railway track must be built overhead, so how many houses will be demolished is unimaginable. If the station is located in the city center, it will greatly destroy the commercial environment that has already formed along the railway track, and the noise brought about is also a big problem. No country will do so.
Not quite correct, strictly speaking. Xiamen has a high speed rail station in its centre, though admittedly most services don't run through here. Shenzhen has Futian station, right in the centre of the city. I can't speak much for other cities though, and Guangzhounan is very inconveniently located. @@DuChen-py7gl
I think it should go from Medan all way to Bali. And I think those rural stations are great if Indonesia government decided the city center is too dense and they want to create a new downtown to spread the density. Like Osaka and shin-Osaka
That would be an amazing achievement
Imagine an entire railway track built on top of the Sunda strait and Bali strait.
It would be impossible to extend the line to Bali due to cultural reasons. It would make more sense to extend the line to Madura (Bangkalan, Sampang, Pamekasan, Sumenep) instead since the line is planned to be extended to Surabaya anyway.
The location of new stations is to promote the development of the new area, and also alleviate the heavy burden of transportation in the city center. I believe there would be eventually subways/light rail to connect the new station with the city center as what China did for theirs.
Wow I loved the video and The "Whoosh". Really happy for Indonesia to be the first one in the southern hemisphere to develop a fastest train as said in the video. That's awesome! However, Here in India, The 'Japanese Shinkasen' is only 40-45% completed. We still need time. Hopefully we could catch up to Indonesia by 2026 in the bullet train concept. 😅 Yes! it might take that much time cuz most of the people are refusing to give up their lands as the total distance of the corridor is 508 kms. Well! Props to the both rapid developing nations. And cheers to Indonesia. 🫡
India is getting very good contracts from Japan, high loans with interest rate of only 0.1%, almost at Japan's own expense to build the bullet train in India, which is unbelievable
@@axe3425 Indeed. 😊
@TheArchmage100 Haha, two scammers take advantage of each other
@@TheArchmage100 Haha, two scammers take advantage of each other
@@axe3425 Haha, two scammers take advantage of each other
9:50 tbf I think avarage size in Indonesia is quite a bit smaller than what people are used to over in the west
From experience, I'm not so sure tbh lol
😁 get into the train look at the area, sit for a while, get into the toilet, get out of the toilet the train has arrived in Bandung. 🤣🤣
recording & good trip my brother 👌👍👍
Pretty much! 😂😂
@@NonstopEurotrip 😂😂
As the train network is finished, the new modern towns will also be developed. In china, hsr station is also a driving force for new town development.
They need all the ancillary public transit to be successful, let's hope they get built too!
Those prices are great - this is a good service. Really impressive trains and the viaducts look fantastic.
Wicked video man! Glad you made it over to Indo. Did you manage to get the Parahyangan between Jakarta and Bandung whilst you were there? I used to enjoy sticking my head against the window as a kid whenever it went over the viaducts. I always thought I could make a small fortune doing correct English translations and phonic corrections whenever I went back as a kid to see my family.
You mention the seat width - I guess you've probably found out that Indonesian folk are absolutely titchy! If you've ever sat in a Jakarta Kopaja or Mayasari Bakti Patas bus and are of average western frame, you'd probably feel last night satay and this morning's bubur ayam squeeze out of every nether orifice!
But yeah, Jakarta Bandung is basically Indonesia's analogue to HS2 and probably should remove a shitton of cars from the Tol road. Biggest difference is you don't have NIMBY Tories telling the programme to stick tunnels through the hills, whereas this line proudly exhibits the vistas for the #trainwindowviews. Although, land reclamation/purchasing for civil infrastructure projects is also somewhat contentious in Indonesia.
Also, when I were a sprog, Gambir station was at ground level and to have AC on any sort of journey on Bima or any of the Senja trains, you needed to get executive class. Glad to see things have advanced quite a bit in the old motherland. Improving the rail infrastracture around Java will reduce the congested skies to, but also piss off a lot of the other islands due to the lack of similar mega infrastructure projects.
Thanks for the information, I've got so much more to do in Indonesia 😍🙂
as far as i know, the local govt. planning to build a new economic center around Tegalluar and Padalarang, so they placed those two stations there. btw nice content as always, waiting for your next vids.
Interesting!
As Indonesian Railfan i'm very excited about your next journey on Indonesian Railway
So am I 😀😀😀
The original plan (proposed by Japan) was actually for Bandung Station to be upgraded to allow for elevated HSR access. It appears that China has taken the approach that they have used in their home country; to place the stations towards the satellite areas of the city. Not completely sure of any other reason as to the placement of the stations in Bandung
And it will finish in 2030s. Land acquisition is really hard nowadays and going in city center means removing a lot of people. We just do how any other countries do to their new HSR lines, building their stations in city outskirts. But honestly this line is a pretty extreme example of bad planning😂😂
Which is fine, if you have a fully integrated metro system linking the stations...
@@NonstopEurotrip Tegalluar station is previously planned with a LRT line in mind actually, no idea why the local goverment wont build it
@@mbohlahwoiLRT will be built from Tegal luar to Bandung city to Kertajati international airport
Another factor to consider is the train noise affecting the neighborhood along the HSR. Japanese HSR's operational speed is only 320 km because they want to reduce the noise since they build their stations inside the city area. So building train station outside of the city area can solve this problem, and speed up the project and aslo make it cheaper to build.
6:40 that first bit of rail is on concrete sleepers with rocks. I recently took the Fuxing train Shanghai to Beijing return and there full width concrete sleepers the whole way 8:47 , even at the platform. One of my trains was late and the train accelerated out of the station and up to 250kph within a minute or so. Looks like someone doesn’t want the trains moving too quickly thru this section of track.
I don't know, sorry!
Terima kasih sudah mecoba whoosh❤
No problem 😃
Terima kasih sudah datang, kawan ❤
You're welcome 🤗
Really appreciate it
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Very interested in their driverless train system...hope you discuss it
100% controlled by a computer, but there’s still a staff in the train who always check the safety of passengers and the train, the lrt also have lot of problems, the waiting time is 1 hours now(normally 15 minutes) due to massive maintenance to most of the trainset on the same time
Maybe when it gets working a bit better lol
Nice video welcome to Indonesia ❤️
Thank you!
For the travel route to Surabaya, Indonesia and China have agreed to continue it.but the train that will be used is a fast train from Indonesia itself. It is currently in the development and manufacturing process, and will be tested in 2026 at a speed of 250 km/h.
and is called the red and white fast train
Lu masih belum bisa bedain ya kereta cepat merah putih itu lewat utara beda dengan ini lewat jalur yang udah ada tinggal upgrade kereta kalo whoosh ya tetep china lewat selatan
Proyek KCIC dan proyek KCMP beda
Klu yg dibuat Indonesia itu beda jalur
Lewat Utara
Sedangkan untuk sambungannya ini tetap China
That will be interesting 😸
@@NonstopEurotrip Semi HSR built by Indonesian Railway Company would be different from this Whoosh HSR, Semi HSR will connect Jakarta wirh Surabaya in the North Line existed railway just upgrade the train, and whoosh would connected to Surabaya also in the south line
Thanks bro to coming ini Indonesia ❤❤❤
Is there any way to bring the train to Sumatra in the north, with a big bridge? That would be wild!
Wouldn't it just be 😊
No. The Anak Krakatoa Volcano in Sunda Strait is too dangerous.
The bridge would be an engineering marvel since it has to consider not only the span of the bridge but also sunda tectonic plate and krakatoa super volcano very nearby.
Congratulation 🇮🇩 love from 🇧🇩
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Congrats Indonesia you are more advance than US now 👍
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Only in I train
Yuhuuuuu, finaly you visit our beloved country. Thankyouuu friend 🎉
Hope you enjoyed it!
Terima kasih sudah berkunjung di Indonesia.. bagaimana dengan makanan kita ? Enak kan. 👍
Terima kasih pak presiden 😂😂😂
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Absolutely, I love it 😍
@@NonstopEurotrip don't forget to relax in Bali 👍
@@NonstopEurotrip subtitel indonesia?
Congrats Indonesia. With warmth from a European
And Albie will finally post indonesian HSR video probably in next couple years.. No hard feelings 😂❤
Unlike the train itself, there's no need to rush! 😉
@@SuperalbsTravels ahahaha he instantly replied🤣🤣 love you so much broo💕💕
Always watching... 👀
We're definitely not having dinner together right now 🤗
@@NonstopEurotrip hahaha.. Definitely you guys don't sleep in a same room this night
In 3yrs Indian HSR project will be completed which is the Japanese shinkansen & you must definitely come to try it .
Meanwhile we have just launched a semi high speed regional transport system RRTS with operational speed of 160kmph .
I can't wait to try the Indian HSR!!
This is great news! Our Minister of Investment has confirmed that the "Whoosh" high speed train will be extended to Surabaya 🎉🎉🎉
Great 🎉 But they still have to decide which country to work with for the Surabaya extension
@@leichen8000 According to our Minister of Investment, the government has officially collaborated with China in building the Jakarta-Surabaya "Whoosh" high-speed train.
I can't wait 😍
Nice. Thanks for the review of the IC train from Brussels to Luxembourg.😊
Glad you enjoyed it 😄
Never expected doodoo from CRRC to be good
Nice one
They're excellent 👌
@@NonstopEurotriplooks like it
Great video !!
Thanks!
Mate, you should try the new luxury compartment class on several trains. I think you'll gonna love it.
Anyways, great video!
Already done ✅
The Tegalluar-Gedebage area is projected to be the new government center for the West Java provincial government since the current city center is quite packed
Thanks for the info!