Bro, I think what you said is right, don't break the link that ain't broken. In the past, Indonesia had a compartment train with beds. However, people used them for sex transactions. I understand this is silly but that's how KAI reacts on that finding.
Lived in Indonesia from the early 90s to the mid 2000s and I’m astonished by how Indonesia have developed A LOT for the past few decades. Before 2004, they didn’t even have a highway from Bandung to Jakarta so we had to drive around 10hrs to reach the capital but now? Luxury sleeper train, high speed rail and a metro system..just wow
Yet somehow I miss the old days when things were much more simple. The Indonesian character I love is very quickly being lost. I'm glad I got to experience Indonesia in the 80's and 90's. It was much more colourful, interesting, challenging and unique. Now it's starting to look like everywhere else in the world. 😢
The concept of sleeper train was actually existed in Indonesia long time ago. The Bima train was actually the sleeper train first launched in 1967. It was an overnight train with sleeper and couchette facility just like the overnight train in Europe (well, the original Bima train's rolling stock was made in East Germany). Unfortunately, the sleeper train service discontinued in early 90s due to many reasons. It has been a discussion among Indonesian railfans questioning why apparently KAI insist to reluctant using bed for sleeper train. It started when KAI launched Luxury class, an airplane business class-like accommodation without compartment. The price is expensive for the average Indonesian wages yet it doesn't give the comfort of real sleeper train. There are many speculations about why KAI never interest to use bed for sleeper train. One of the most believed is that the regulation from Minister of Transportation prohibiting the use of lie-flat bed for the land transportation, although it's actually only referred to the bus only. Another speculation is the cost of the operation as sleeper train have less capacity compared to seat train, and KAI always looking for more capacity to gaining more profit. This also has been debated as Thailand also have sleeper train with more capacity, more comfort and cheaper ticket price. Personally, I wish KAI are looking for inspiration into Thailand or Japan who have sleeper train that run on the small gauge railway and still managed to get more capacity, more comfort, and cheaper ticket price. Anyway, congrats for your experience and thanks for the video. Great job as expected.
@@NonstopEurotripyeah sometimes our ministry give some nonsense reasons to ban something like not while ago Kominfo try to ban many popular websites like Reddit they say the web has a lot porn so they block it
Their reasoning for removing the proper sleeper trains back in 1992 was because of the high amount of sexual misconduct occurring inside the coaches, disturbing the views of the little children who also got onboard of the train. Which is ridiculous, but understandable since how wild the life in 90s Indonesia was. But I couldn't grasp my what on why they're so reluctant to add them back now.
@@dava_arvarabi I think if they want to prevent such thing happen again they can use mini cabin just like in capsule hotel. Basically just like current Compartment class but it's double stacked so the capacity is multiplied twice and the ticket price can be cheaper, yet passenger still get privacy.
I hope it gets resurrected once Sumatra got their lines connected. And I hope every major island bigger than Java got one, that include Sumatra, Borneo (could have Borneo loop line with Brunei-Malaysia-Indonesia linked up), Sulawesi, and Papua (could have north line from sorong to jayapura, and south line from sorong to merauke). With longer route than Java, they would need sleeper train.
13:57 The reason KAI uses seats instead of real beds is because there is a regulation in Indonesia that prohibits travelling in a 180-degree reclining position for vehicles/land transport (For safety reasons). Even the sleeper buses that existed before this train also use seats.
The constant horn is actually for safety protocol here in Indonesia it is called Semboyan 1 and Semboyan 35. It definitely takes years to settle this issue if they want since the protocol usually is very rigid and difficult to change. Semboyan 1 (one long horn inside train station) must be applied when the train is departing as reply from station master whistle and the train machinists have to depart, clear the train from the platform and they have clearance to pass to the next halt. While Semboyan 35 (one long horn outside train station) must be applied before the train passing to level crossing (you can found the sign on the side of the rail with S35 marking) which compare it to Europe, we have a lot of it. Although this thing is getting better especially in urban area or certain region who have better fiscal space to build bridge and underpass.
@@fendysuryantoBut your comment suggested that he asked the horn to stop, while what he said is giving suggestion to move the compartment suite car at the rear consist so it will be more comfortable for those passengers who paid 2 million for an 8 hours train ride.
@@rhs_0938 the problem is the compartment suites coach is right next to the horn. And as not blowing the horn isn't possible, I suggested the move the coach to the rear of the train, in both directions
@@NonstopEurotripthere is another super luxury indonesian train that is unlisted, it is called Kereta Wisata, and cost you upwards from $1500, you have to contact the KAI special child company which manages it to book one
I think the ride is not so smooth not because the track quality, but it's because the boogie quality that's been our issus for years. Our last comfy car was K9 air suspension boogie, developed together with Alstom. But due to the high cost maintenance and it's not suitable with mountainous terrain (it's frequently got derailed because of that), K9 was discontinued. Most of Indonesia carriages are now using K10 boogie, and that's what you felt. Hope INKA can develop more comfy boogie 😅
@@NonstopEurotrip A little info: The Argo Bromo anggrek train was the first train which use K9 boogie. But, due to expensive coast maintenance and it's not suitable with mountainous track, K9 boogie was discontinued. Sorry for bad English
This reason is enough to make me choose flight instead of train in Indonesia if there is a choice. No matter how good the seat and cabin is,the bumpy track is a boomer 😅. I taken probably over 20+ train from Jakarta to bandung and cirebon because it's too near for flight and no suitable flight 😅
I hope that more and more tourist comes to Indonesia shortly because in my opinion Indonesia is the best country to visit recently I am so amazed that Indonesia has to over the culture, nature, food, and transport, the most of all the Indonesian people are so friendly😊😊 thanks for sharing.
I have done the same journey on the Compartment train but I did the daytime trip. The daytime trip was fantastic as there was a lot of amazing scenery. I enjoy train travel in Java and do it a few times a year but I would never contemplate on overnight train journey in Indonesia as I know I would not be able to sleep. If I was leaving Surabaya for Jakarta at night, I would take a flight.
15:10 that train on the opposite platfom is the "Argo Semeru", the only another train services that overing compartment suites class. with the same route as Bima but with day time journey. Oh btw the Compartment suite coaches it self is made from 2008 built Eksekutif class coaches. Its been modified by KAI's own Manggarai Workshop in Jakarta. KAI first planned to buy a brand new coaches from INKA, (there are even a double decker option...). But its turn to be too expensive.. Oh currently Bima also has "Luxury" restaurant coaches that refurbished with Compartment suite interior vibes.
From the look of that I definitely agree that a bed would be a better solution. Given the space, they could have had a decent seat and a bed that folds down over it
@@NonstopEurotripyup, I can confirm it is most of the time is the coach problem because some coaches have an old bogies that didn't really help too much when on high speed, but other reason is possible knowing at the time you making the video I'm pretty sure is the same time the track were still on the process of upgrading, meaning the track is safe for high speed operation but it doesn't mean it will be comfy. I can tell today is way more comfortable than before, although the bogies problem is still exist, so if you unfortunate enough to get coaches that have bad bogies.
@@NonstopEurotrip The compartment coaches used here wasn't exactly new, it actually used to be just a regular executive-class coach with wide windows built by INKA in 2008. That's why in the black information bar on the bottom of the coach reads " T1 0 08 xx" which means "1st class sleeper of 2008 generation number X" Old number is "K1 0 08 xx"
I personally wouldn't call this a sleeper train, but rather just "compartment suite train/class". The design and service reminds me about some Japanese luxury limited express trains
Unfortunately Whoosh extension wouldn't make to surabaya in the near future.. it might take 10-15 years. If the gov is really supportive abt this project and throw massive amount of money and just build the whole 700+km of track in a single phase. Then we can travel from Jakarta to Surabaya under 3 hours maybe in 5 years from now.
@@joMan1060 we don't know.. Do you know the budget for the free school lunch program will be around Rp450T a year, yes Trillion Rupiah a year. And the whole Jakarta-Bandung Whoosh project is only Rp112T. It's difficult.. I love his ideas but not that free school lunch..
Great trip. The train is honking many times because level crossing is everywhere along the journey. Yeah definitely agree, this car should be placed on rear for comfortability, but we should mention the CC206 horn is very loud. Overall nice cabin, nice food and nice seat, and the ticket is absolutely expensive for average local people like me.
I think you would like the Genoa - Casella railway, it uses trains from 1998 but also one from 1928 renovated in 1953, and also one from 1929 which has recently been renovated in its original condition, It's 25 km and takes about 1 hour, obviously narrow gauge of 1000mm
a nice point a view. yes it's expensive, almost 2.5 price of regular economy flights. but I found it as a chance to people to at least once trying a real business class-flight experience but on the ground. Still hoping that this train still exists for years among other alternatives so people would have many choices of transportation experience
if you want to go west you need to take a bus to Bandar Lampung then you will take KA. Rajabasa (economy class train with a price range of Rp. 30,000-50,000) you will find out One thing that is very surprising and is rarely known by foreigners is the super long coal train pulled by an EMD locomotive Keep in mind that Ka. Rajabasa only leaves in the morning so you have to plan your schedule so that you don't have to wait too long for the train
Fun fact: Bima is short for Bi-ru Ma-lam (Biru = Blue, Malam = Night). The first Bima train was painted blue and ran at night, and it was also the pioneer of compartment trains in Indonesia. That's why the paint of this compartment train carriage is blue.
Hi, from indonesia here, love your video, actually I want to say thanks for providing very nice review, as your video helped me to decide on my recent trip to europe on taking the thalys amsterdam to paris route and whether to take the sncf inoui from paris to milan or the frecciarossa train from paris to milan route, keep up the good videos👍 Regarding review on the Bima compartment, yes I agree with you that KAI could improve more on the placement of the coach, preferably on the rear end of the train configuration like their counterparts on Argo Sumeru, also maybe you should try the new luxury train on Argo Lawu or Argo Dwipangga Jakarta-Yogya/Solo route, as they’re given new 2023 trainset by INKA, the new coach actually better at noice cancellation and ride better at bumpy tracks, but overall it’s still not as smooth as any european rail networks
11:54 Maybe, a good step would be to move the series of compartment suites to the very back of the series, so as not to be disturbed by the sound of loud train clacks, but if you get off at a station where the platform is not too long, you may have to pass through another carriage. 😅 12:37 Yes, because of the quality of the Indonesian railway track, following the terrain, it will cause severe shaking, different from the Whoosh Track, you can find out from Nagreg Station which has a height of +848 m above sea level, and the lowest is at Surabaya Pasar Tuti Station with a height of +4 m above sea level
the price is 5 times than economy seat. 2.5 times than plane ticket for (non busy day without luggage). the train station is located in the heart of the city, yet airport is far away from city needed 2 times transportation. almost unlimited luggage weight limit. dont need to do hassel while check in. good arriving time (morning). got food, can sleep trough the night. VS plane ticket ex: 750.000 + 200 x 2 (city to sub airport + airport to city jakarta). kind of worth it
I expect it's all the crossings which is why the train is sounding the horn all night.High speed lines shouldn't be to the detriment of a sleeper train network as it's possible to have both and in Europe we are bringing them back.
@@NonstopEurotrip but anyway, from GMR, the set of compartment suites is in the back. Shown in your last minute video. Maybe they couldn't move the coach due to time limitation in SB yard.
The main reason why trains always sound their horns at night is so that if someone is crossing you can hear that the train is about to pass so that person can immediately move away from there.
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I think the reason why KAI insists on installing this kind of seat instead of proper bed is because they want flexibility for the coaches to be operated both for night and day trips as bima trainsets are also shared by day running argo semeru....bunk bed in seat mode is usually 90° upright seat which is not so comfy for longer journey compared to recliner, meanwhile in day trip passengers don't always want to lay on bed throughout the journey, so I think this kind of seat is the compromise for KAI , though I don't think the seat has to be bombarded with tons of gimmicks like this compartment seat, making the price tag unnecessarily more expensive and the seat prone to premature damage...I myself would prefer a true sleeper with proper bed for night trips....
The design of the coach is fabulous, and so are the uniforms of the attendants. Odd to see that the Indonesian language simply copied the Dutch word for 'sink' ('wastafel'). On the other hand, Dutch has plenty of Indonesian loanwords.
Indonesia had a lot of Dutch loanwords too.. Especially due the fact that dutch colonize Indonesia when we are still Dutch East Indies.. Dutch Words Like Wastafel, Kulkas, Kantor, etc. Actually used a lot in Indonesia
Indonesian are among the smallest and shortest people in the world so this kind of seats/bed is big enough and more than comfortable enough for them but i understand that bigger western foreigner would prefer real larger bed for more comfort.
I dont think the size is the problem, its simply that it isnt a proper bed.. KAI is trying to take a leaf out of commercial aviation's book with these lie flat seats, which is ironic considering how some airlines are now offering fixed beds in addition to a seat in their first class cabins
Indonesian people is Not that short. You only stuck in Old and Outdated data. Most Indonesians today has average height between 167 Cm to 175 Cm for Indonesian Males, and between 155 Cm to 165 Cm for Indonesian Females. These Indonesian height average are the Common height of Asian people. Btw, the population of Indonesian Males with height more than 185 Cm and the population of Indonesian Females with height more than 170 Cm are also Huge. I'm an Indonesian Male with 193 Cm Height.
@@NonstopEurotrip At least that's not a good idea to travel in Formosa under Fake Free China by train again. The new intercity train is a big nightmare to us.
06:20 hi, Indonesian here, I need to clarify, no with the price tag of IDR 2.05 million, you cant get nice three night hotel stay in Indonesia, especially Jakarta. Pretty sure with such price tag, would only able to get you at least 1.5 night stay in nice hotel in Jakarta in 2024😂. Those price tag would get you nicer 3-night stay if you pick hotel outside Jakarta, outside Java even and in second tier cities.
@@NonstopEurotrip Yes you can, even sometimes 5 stars hotel, it's just about the times. At peak season, close to impossible but at mid or low, most definitely possible.
@@NonstopEurotripyes when it is on a normal month not in the peak season. If you book a hotel at a peak season in jakarta on a 5 stat hotel it would be 1.5-2mil idr lol
0:33 Whoa, it's so weird to see places where I live in in a video like this! I hope you had a great time in Surabaya, Nonstop Eurotrip! Just a fun fact, locals usually say 'Surabaya' as "sue-roh-boy-oh" :)
Thank you for a very interesting video! I personally quite like the idea of a a large chair which can be converted into a bed. It would surely be ideal for a train journey of (say) 12+ hours which involved both day and night travel. It makes much less sense if the journey is 'nighttime only'. As to the fare charged, then, given what you said about the cost of top-class hotels in Indonesia, I anticipate that there will be very few passengers who will fork out a large sum of money for a compartment suite!
Looks absolutely beautiful! I’ve got your point reagrding to price but let’s be honest compare to any European rail service 100£ is bargain for 10 hrs journey on such a luxurious train.Thanks for this video :)
0:41 I think the Indonesian text on the video needs to be slightly corrected. The correct form is "Tidak bisa berbicara Bahasa Inggris? Gunakan Subtitel 'CC' di bawah ini untuk menerjemahkan ke 140 Bahasa!" The meaning is close enough like the English one (Don't Speak English? Use the 'CC' Subtitles below to translate in to 140 Languages!) Anyway, how is the firmness of the Compartment Suites seat? Is the cushion is more comfier than European standard Couchette or Sleeper trains (especially ÖBB Nightjet, had previously tried Nightjet in sleeper car from Vienna to Amsterdam) or this Bima Compartment Suites seats are more softer than the Nightjet Couchette or Sleeper?
The majority of Indonesians are Muslim, that's why the compartment dividers are semi-transparent glass and only 1 seat is available in each compartment. (You know, to prevent people from doing something...)
saya pernah menonton video anda menaiki bus, kenapa tidak mencoba itu di Indonesia? Bus di Indonesia mempunyai banyak kelas & tidak kalah dengan kereta api.
WoW, kualitas video dan narasi yang sangat baik, saya merasa seperti menonton tayangan National Geographic. memang dari segi fasilitas dan pelayanan staf Indonesia pasti terbaik. Hanya saja untuk jenis kereta memang masih banyak yg perlu dibenahi, dan KAI sedang berusaha menjadi lebih baik dengan memberikan beberapa pembaruan dari segi trainset, jalur rel, rute, dan tentunya fasilitas pelayanan. Tapi dari segi harga untuk compartmen class memang terlalu mahal. Over all semoga KAI semakin baik. Terima kasih untuk channel ini yg sudah memperkenalkan kereta api Indonesia. Sukses selalu.
We don't really need it, just 8 hours journey and it too short for sleeper train. Except we can connect Java and Sumatera by train, I think we need it for sure.
The design is very stylish indeed. I have got the feeling that from a branding point of view, resembling a business class plane seat was KAI’s priority. Objectively a second class SNCF couchette bed probably offers more comfort for sleeping (although much less convenient in the daytime). The sounding of the horn is indeed annoying. It is of course necessary in countries with unsecured level crossings.
KAI made this seating style because they were also inspired from yet another airline product - Emirate's First Class Suite. Just like the 2018 Luxury "Sleeper" inspired from many first class products of airliners
4:57-Interesting info about this particular train's locomotive maker: General Electric got out of making trains a few years back, and it sold the railway division to a company called Wabtec, which only makes freight rolling stock (mainly freight locomotives.)
I agree, no matter how comfy and luxurious those seats are, a full bed is always the more preferred option, though its still a mystery as to why the minister of transport and KAI themselves are so reluctant (my only guesses are the problems with the old Bima train or that there's not really a journey in the current Indonesian rail network that requires a true bed sleeper coach, apart from maybe the yet to be refined Sumatra line). Hopefully KAI and to an extent the minister sees this video and lift the ban or whatever reason they're not allowing beds
Thanks for the informative video. Agree, having light from the hallway could be disruptive to sleep, along with the horn sounding. Just wondering, did you ever do a trip from Jakarta to Borobudur?
Hihi,I'd like to have info about booking ticket. There is only ticket showed" Argo Anggrek Luxury Sleeper Executive (AA)",but no Suite be wrote. Id appreciate if Pls offer more information regarding how to book the ticket correctly.
Two questions, is the chocolate fondent another type of chocolate brownie? when the train arrives at the destination, do you get extra time before you get kicked off?
I think they could try Fuxing style of put a plane's first class seat inside instead, no need to divide into tiny rooms. As I see this is just a cubicle with a chair that don't goes as flat as a bed. Also any chance you spend thousands of USD in E&O trains?
Thanks for taking the time and effort to make the review. But I didn't see mentioned power or USB facilities? If you did mention them and I missed them then sorry.
I blame it on my old age:-) and thanks for taking the time to reply and point me in the right direction. Please keep your vids coming as they are not only informative but also enjoyable. Cheers Kym
Does seem like a rather disappointing use of the space in which to put a "dentist's chair" as was compared elsewhere. Glad you highlighted the price relative to hotels - yes, that's the purchasing power equivalent of ~US$400 in local terms. *Big* ouch. How much were the regular executive seats on that same trip? 👍for the review, thanks, and glad you had a good trip (excellent staff always helps!)
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 Ah; thank you! Entirely more reasonable in the context of balancing journey and (saving) hotel room costs for the night. Safe to say I know what option I'd be taking, given that.
Agreed that the sleeper train should be on the opposite side of the head of the train so the honking sound much less compared to other class. Also the floor lights should be able to turned off or ar least dimmable. If it’s not possible they should opted for a point LED at the 4 corner only with much less watt rather than strips led, as some people may usually sleeps with complete darkness
I don't think when Whoosh is extended to Surabaya, the regular trains services with the same route won't be needed. Take Argo Parahyangan, they've served Jakarta-Bandung for a very long time, and even after Whoosh had opened, they still stands strong until now. My opinion gets a stronger backup by the fact that Whoosh's price for the business class is slightly more expensive than Priority class in Argo Parahyangan, not to mention the fact that you could go to Yogyakarta with regular executive class by the price less than of First Class in Whoosh. I think Whoosh won't replace the regular trains anytime soon, maybe one day, but untill now, I think Whoosh is only for those who are strictly in business and wants to arrive as soon as possible. Overall, thanks for your video, and yes, I agree that beds are better than overly reclining seats. Cheers!
Tapi semenjak Pak Jonan ga ada KAI & KAI commuter kaya kurang disiplin, apalagi belakangan ini banyak trouble yang terjadi termasuk gangguan sistem, kereta anjlok dan kecelakaan yang melibatkan kereta api.
Pertama, gangguan di KAI komuter disebabkan karena armadanya yg udh tua, seiring bertambahnya penduduk, armada tersebut gk bisa fresh lagi. Kedua, berapa banyak kejadian kereta anjlok di era skrg? Masih banyak dulu atau skrg? Klo saya liat, KAI jarang kejadian anjlok. Ketiga, kecelakaan kereta paling banyak disebabkan karena ulah pengendara lain yg gk sabaran. Coba bandingkan yg dulu dengan skrg, masih lebih banyak yg mana permasalahannya?
I think i know why our trains weren't as comfortable as you might think. It is all to do with the track and the carriages itself. We use narrow gauge track, basically the system left to us by the dutch which by itself isn't as comfortable as a normal gauge. Then comes the carriages, although we are now capable of making our own carriages, the train company or KAI did not improve the overall comfort of the suspension in each carriages. I suspect it was all due to the nature of Indonesia. You see, back then we had a train delivered to us from france (look it up, it's called gerbong gendut) and those well i say it was the most comfortable train in Indonesia at that time. But it didn't last long. Due to our wet, humid and tropical weather where one cannot predict the weather itself, it deteriorate pretty fast. And now it sat abandoned. So i think that's the reasons why our trains isn't as comfortable as what you're hoping. Speaking of which, our high speed train uses different kind of gauges which is the chinese one hence it is way more smother. And that's also why, for the maintenance of the hsr, we uses chinese trains instead of our own.
Ahh argo bromo anggrek lama Emang sih saya tahun 2005 naik itu bareng kedua orang tua saya,walaupun saya masih kecil pada saat itu Tapi emang bener² nyaman tuh kereta
I love how much better everything is with the trains. Last time I took the trains there is the exact same service. Gone are the (3rd world style) low platforms, everything looks cleaner and the toilets don’t fall straight into the tracks. The stations have certainly changed. I just wish they changed the gauge too, narrow garage seems restrictive. Also, why is the track quality still so bad?
@@NonstopEurotrip You’re right, that would be huge, especially now that they’ve put in so much into newer rolling stock and infrastructure in the narrow gauge. I wish that happened before that. It would be more of a standardisation that now they are going to extend the HST everywhere, they’ll be operating two different gauges. But then again, that’s probably a good thing to separate the two different types of trains.
As an Indonesian, I hope KAI and PT INKA can produce sleeper carriage using flat beds like Japanese sleeper train and upgrade their boogies Sorry for my bad English
Actually, you forgot the sleeperete as type and this car appears to me like an upgrade of a sleeperete. All in all I agree though. This is how a 1+ class should look like for a train in day mode.
When train start from surabaya gubeng, the luxury class is always at the front of the consist, because the platform at surabaya gubeng station is not to long and the luxury class passenger will not to get a proper platform.
I was surprised by the price of 2 million IDR. I remembered it being around 1 million. But somehow its always sold out, so i guess they are just increasing the price because demand is apparently pretty high here. Even at 2 million somehow it is often sold out as well.
There will always be a room for improvement…I agreed that the luxury coach supposed to be always located in the rear side of the train and away from the loco as well as the power engine compartment. KAI should really consider this placement of the coach. And yess agreed about the price It’s just way too expensive especially to the fact that this particular coach is still using the old boogey that makes it move a bit shaky along the journey. However, about the chair, I don’t think that Indonesians are very comfortable using just a “bed” kind of compartment. We love to use this kinda of multi function chair/bed. Well, it’s just preferences, right? Just like how Indians love their fully bed compartments so much. Me personally, really like this compartment coach so much (especially that massage feature, ough they’re so good😊)…but again, all I have to complain about is the ticket price.
indonesia use narrow gauge (1067mm) instead of standard/wide gauge have something to do with the bumpy ride quality. it's is known that narrow gauge is cheaper to built and more suited for indonesian mountainous geography. that's combine with the fact that japan also use one and indonesia is known to import many ex-japanese commuter line also contribute to why KAI uses them as standard gauge for indonesia
Actually, from what I learned, Dutch built standard gauge at that time. But when Japan came, they changed the gauge to the narrow. That is what we have until now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Ternyata naik KA di Indo itu murah lho Gambir - Ps Turi at Gambir - Malang kisaran 500 rb - 750 rb.( 900 km ) di Eropa saya naik KA dari Groningen - Amsterdam ( 200 km ) 30 Euro . Mahal kan ? ....
I hope Indonesia introduces normal AC sleeper coaches (like those in China, India, Vietnam etc) for overnight trains.. Sitting for 10 hrs overnight is a tiring journey.
Nice video. Small point: The correct translation of "Don't speak Indonesian?" in your opening subtitles is "Tidak berbicara bahasa Indonesia?" The word "jangan" does mean "don't", but in the exhortative sense, used when telling someone not to do something ("Don't!")
Just watch this. I am surprised that Bima has reinvented with new cars and new class compartment. Its very expensive though, especially for locals compare to the trip time. But maybe there's a niche market they targeted. Maybe i wont be able to to a trip with it so thank youbfpr your video and especially your honest review 😊
12:09 I think this compartment class will be stay exist by _KAI_ because the Indonesian Government will offer the passenger with 3 service options, for that long distance system, either from Surabaya to Jakarta and returned: 1. Whoos Southern Line 350 Km/hour 2. Domestically Made Red and White Electric Diesel Bullet Train By PT.INKA with 250 Km/hour Northern Line 3. All Class of Regular Train by KAI service like this one 120 km/hour. By the way, who's better about the Flagship Rail Systems in South East Asia? Indonesia or Malaysia?
Actually I like the concept tho, I want to sleep while able to see the scenery, many sleeper train doesn't have bed that facing the window. Also I like that I can have a chair so my head won't get tired watcing the scenery while sleeping. Extra points, I love how private it's with just one people per room instead of two people like how sleeper train usually have. Agree with how noisy is it tho and also how expensive it's for the local.
Better than you must pay expensive tiket of the bad flight which having almost the same price even the duration time but the train always on time and rilex, not so tired as how to reach the flight from home to airport etc.,
it is not their choice not to have a bed bro. The regulation of the government through the transportation ministry , prevent such thing. For safety reason, somehow, the regulation stated that only 170 degree maximum reclining seats are permitted. I dont really know the reason for this limitation.
Your assessment of the train truly represents what I thought about the service. It's not a sleeper train, nor remotely is it. It's a sitting coach with a fully reclined seat. Real sleeper trains would have featured sleeping bunks, like all other sleeper trains. It's a glorified sitting coach, or perhaps a moving lounge. Not a genuine luxury sleeper train. Ironically, back in the old days, Indonesia used to have the proper sleeping train, complete with comfortable bunks. Guests would also enjoy meals in the dining car, not in their cabin. Alas, that service was terminated in 1980s. So when they revived the so-called sleeper service, they took wrong reference: airline service, instead of real sleeper trains.
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Bro, I think what you said is right, don't break the link that ain't broken. In the past, Indonesia had a compartment train with beds. However, people used them for sex transactions. I understand this is silly but that's how KAI reacts on that finding.
Lived in Indonesia from the early 90s to the mid 2000s and I’m astonished by how Indonesia have developed A LOT for the past few decades. Before 2004, they didn’t even have a highway from Bandung to Jakarta so we had to drive around 10hrs to reach the capital but now? Luxury sleeper train, high speed rail and a metro system..just wow
Pls come again.. i believed you will be Veny Happy to see the improvement
From 10 hrs to 30 minutes.... wow so proud for the development we achieved....
Yet somehow I miss the old days when things were much more simple. The Indonesian character I love is very quickly being lost. I'm glad I got to experience Indonesia in the 80's and 90's. It was much more colourful, interesting, challenging and unique. Now it's starting to look like everywhere else in the world. 😢
@@dalecollins-smith3551are you really speaking against technological improvements that benefit Indonesian economy?
@@dalecollins-smith3551Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, China are able to modernize, even outpacing the West, without abandoning their cultural identity
Bloody hell that wifi on the train is faster than my internet at home here in Australia
🤣🤣🤣
That's hardly surprising with Australia 😂
thanks to liberal
LOL
The concept of sleeper train was actually existed in Indonesia long time ago. The Bima train was actually the sleeper train first launched in 1967. It was an overnight train with sleeper and couchette facility just like the overnight train in Europe (well, the original Bima train's rolling stock was made in East Germany). Unfortunately, the sleeper train service discontinued in early 90s due to many reasons.
It has been a discussion among Indonesian railfans questioning why apparently KAI insist to reluctant using bed for sleeper train. It started when KAI launched Luxury class, an airplane business class-like accommodation without compartment. The price is expensive for the average Indonesian wages yet it doesn't give the comfort of real sleeper train. There are many speculations about why KAI never interest to use bed for sleeper train. One of the most believed is that the regulation from Minister of Transportation prohibiting the use of lie-flat bed for the land transportation, although it's actually only referred to the bus only. Another speculation is the cost of the operation as sleeper train have less capacity compared to seat train, and KAI always looking for more capacity to gaining more profit. This also has been debated as Thailand also have sleeper train with more capacity, more comfort and cheaper ticket price. Personally, I wish KAI are looking for inspiration into Thailand or Japan who have sleeper train that run on the small gauge railway and still managed to get more capacity, more comfort, and cheaper ticket price.
Anyway, congrats for your experience and thanks for the video. Great job as expected.
Yeah, they need some good honest couchette coaches 🤗
@@NonstopEurotripyeah sometimes our ministry give some nonsense reasons to ban something like not while ago Kominfo try to ban many popular websites like Reddit they say the web has a lot porn so they block it
Their reasoning for removing the proper sleeper trains back in 1992 was because of the high amount of sexual misconduct occurring inside the coaches, disturbing the views of the little children who also got onboard of the train.
Which is ridiculous, but understandable since how wild the life in 90s Indonesia was.
But I couldn't grasp my what on why they're so reluctant to add them back now.
@@dava_arvarabi I think if they want to prevent such thing happen again they can use mini cabin just like in capsule hotel. Basically just like current Compartment class but it's double stacked so the capacity is multiplied twice and the ticket price can be cheaper, yet passenger still get privacy.
I hope it gets resurrected once Sumatra got their lines connected. And I hope every major island bigger than Java got one, that include Sumatra, Borneo (could have Borneo loop line with Brunei-Malaysia-Indonesia linked up), Sulawesi, and Papua (could have north line from sorong to jayapura, and south line from sorong to merauke). With longer route than Java, they would need sleeper train.
13:57 The reason KAI uses seats instead of real beds is because there is a regulation in Indonesia that prohibits travelling in a 180-degree reclining position for vehicles/land transport (For safety reasons). Even the sleeper buses that existed before this train also use seats.
But these do recline to 180 degrees
Which regulation? Is it Permenhub, UU, or PP? I'd like to read more on that
@@NonstopEurotrip Probably 179 degrees, lol.
The constant horn is actually for safety protocol here in Indonesia it is called Semboyan 1 and Semboyan 35. It definitely takes years to settle this issue if they want since the protocol usually is very rigid and difficult to change.
Semboyan 1 (one long horn inside train station) must be applied when the train is departing as reply from station master whistle and the train machinists have to depart, clear the train from the platform and they have clearance to pass to the next halt.
While Semboyan 35 (one long horn outside train station) must be applied before the train passing to level crossing (you can found the sign on the side of the rail with S35 marking) which compare it to Europe, we have a lot of it. Although this thing is getting better especially in urban area or certain region who have better fiscal space to build bridge and underpass.
I never said they shouldn't blow the horn...
No worries I understood since this might be annoying for foreigner.
I just try to explain it, why this sort of things happen✌️
@@fendysuryantoBut your comment suggested that he asked the horn to stop, while what he said is giving suggestion to move the compartment suite car at the rear consist so it will be more comfortable for those passengers who paid 2 million for an 8 hours train ride.
@@NonstopEurotripBut you said it clearly in 11:55 that it's a problem, SMH 😑
@@rhs_0938 the problem is the compartment suites coach is right next to the horn. And as not blowing the horn isn't possible, I suggested the move the coach to the rear of the train, in both directions
KAI must watch this video
I'll be sure to link them 😆
@@NonstopEurotrip I think you made little mistake in the description about footage date, in there written 30/10/21.
@@NonstopEurotripthere is another super luxury indonesian train that is unlisted, it is called Kereta Wisata, and cost you upwards from $1500, you have to contact the KAI special child company which manages it to book one
Tentunya bakal ditonton 😅
Maybe the company is to busy to watch the video
I think the ride is not so smooth not because the track quality, but it's because the boogie quality that's been our issus for years. Our last comfy car was K9 air suspension boogie, developed together with Alstom. But due to the high cost maintenance and it's not suitable with mountainous terrain (it's frequently got derailed because of that), K9 was discontinued.
Most of Indonesia carriages are now using K10 boogie, and that's what you felt. Hope INKA can develop more comfy boogie 😅
I agree, yes! Thanks for watching 😀
@@NonstopEurotrip
A little info:
The Argo Bromo anggrek train was the first train which use K9 boogie. But, due to expensive coast maintenance and it's not suitable with mountainous track, K9 boogie was discontinued.
Sorry for bad English
This reason is enough to make me choose flight instead of train in Indonesia if there is a choice. No matter how good the seat and cabin is,the bumpy track is a boomer 😅. I taken probably over 20+ train from Jakarta to bandung and cirebon because it's too near for flight and no suitable flight 😅
I need to visit Indonesia. It’s a really beautiful country and not to mention it’s cheap. I am not a millionaire but I won’t mind feeling like one.
You do... It's definitely in my top 3 :)
I hope that more and more tourist comes to Indonesia shortly because in my opinion Indonesia is the best country to visit recently I am so amazed that Indonesia has to over the culture, nature, food, and transport, the most of all the Indonesian people are so friendly😊😊 thanks for sharing.
One of my absolute favourite places, for sure! 😄
I have done the same journey on the Compartment train but I did the daytime trip.
The daytime trip was fantastic as there was a lot of amazing scenery.
I enjoy train travel in Java and do it a few times a year but I would never contemplate on overnight train journey in Indonesia as I know I would not be able to sleep.
If I was leaving Surabaya for Jakarta at night, I would take a flight.
Thanks for sharing!
15:10 that train on the opposite platfom is the "Argo Semeru", the only another train services that overing compartment suites class. with the same route as Bima but with day time journey.
Oh btw the Compartment suite coaches it self is made from 2008 built Eksekutif class coaches. Its been modified by KAI's own Manggarai Workshop in Jakarta. KAI first planned to buy a brand new coaches from INKA, (there are even a double decker option...). But its turn to be too expensive..
Oh currently Bima also has "Luxury" restaurant coaches that refurbished with Compartment suite interior vibes.
As shown in the video
Ada Indonesia coy
anyway, nice to see you back here :)
the last time the bed method was introduced in 67 - 1990, it had some "social" related problems
Thanks for the info!
@@Crying-Croc interestingly, they want to continue the project by the previous government to build railways across Afghanistan
Please elaborate on what you meant with "social related problems"
@@Selvariabell gambling and uh...the passengers often do the deed
@@Fadhiil5112😁😁😁
From the look of that I definitely agree that a bed would be a better solution. Given the space, they could have had a decent seat and a bed that folds down over it
The prototype have that kind of bed/seat.. But they choose this
That's a shame!
menurutku pilihan kursi karena ada fitur memijat. sejauh ini belum ada kasur dengan fitur memijat
12:39 I think its more about the coach than the track itself. all the track was already upgraded to R54
Interesting, I'm surprised!
Banyak yg keriting pastinya
@@NonstopEurotripyup, I can confirm it is most of the time is the coach problem because some coaches have an old bogies that didn't really help too much when on high speed, but other reason is possible knowing at the time you making the video I'm pretty sure is the same time the track were still on the process of upgrading, meaning the track is safe for high speed operation but it doesn't mean it will be comfy. I can tell today is way more comfortable than before, although the bogies problem is still exist, so if you unfortunate enough to get coaches that have bad bogies.
@@NonstopEurotrip The compartment coaches used here wasn't exactly new, it actually used to be just a regular executive-class coach with wide windows built by INKA in 2008.
That's why in the black information bar on the bottom of the coach reads " T1 0 08 xx" which means "1st class sleeper of 2008 generation number X" Old number is "K1 0 08 xx"
@@dava_arvarabi So it's using a 2008 bogie? Or did they upgrade the bogie already?
I personally wouldn't call this a sleeper train, but rather just "compartment suite train/class". The design and service reminds me about some Japanese luxury limited express trains
Well you sleep in it, so it's a sleeper train.
Unfortunately Whoosh extension wouldn't make to surabaya in the near future.. it might take 10-15 years. If the gov is really supportive abt this project and throw massive amount of money and just build the whole 700+km of track in a single phase. Then we can travel from Jakarta to Surabaya under 3 hours maybe in 5 years from now.
The government will probably prioritize the new railway network they are building from Nusantara to the rest of Kalimantan.
@@ianhomerpura8937 and school lunch💀 but well whoosh project is not G to G but B to B.. So we'll see
@@kibruazkaenk1510 all in for lunch aid coming soon 2029... we'll just wait, sit, relax, go for gemoy dance. OK GAS OK GAS premium rice skyrocketed🗿🗿🗿
nopw, the new Presiden Prabowo will continue Jokowi HSR to Surabaya, even Gibran said that
@@joMan1060 we don't know.. Do you know the budget for the free school lunch program will be around Rp450T a year, yes Trillion Rupiah a year. And the whole Jakarta-Bandung Whoosh project is only Rp112T. It's difficult.. I love his ideas but not that free school lunch..
Great trip. The train is honking many times because level crossing is everywhere along the journey. Yeah definitely agree, this car should be placed on rear for comfortability, but we should mention the CC206 horn is very loud. Overall nice cabin, nice food and nice seat, and the ticket is absolutely expensive for average local people like me.
Thanks for watching! And yes it was expensive for me too 🤣
@@sunaryonoyono3794 kesalahan berfikir, apa ini channel untuk me-review pesawat?
I think you would like the Genoa - Casella railway, it uses trains from 1998 but also one from 1928 renovated in 1953, and also one from 1929 which has recently been renovated in its original condition, It's 25 km and takes about 1 hour, obviously narrow gauge of 1000mm
Thanks for the suggestion 😃
I would like to be there too because now I'm freezing with a fever at home in the Czech Republic.
Get well soon 🙏🏻
But I remind you. This is a tropical country. Which has 30-40 degree Celsius on average
@@masx4813 🤷♂️
@@MarwiX_CZ try it, try the hot weather here
a nice point a view. yes it's expensive, almost 2.5 price of regular economy flights. but I found it as a chance to people to at least once trying a real business class-flight experience but on the ground. Still hoping that this train still exists for years among other alternatives so people would have many choices of transportation experience
Amen 🙌🏻
if you want to go west you need to take a bus to Bandar Lampung then you will take KA. Rajabasa (economy class train with a price range of Rp. 30,000-50,000) you will find out One thing that is very surprising and is rarely known by foreigners is the super long coal train pulled by an EMD locomotive
Keep in mind that Ka. Rajabasa only leaves in the morning so you have to plan your schedule so that you don't have to wait too long for the train
Fun fact: Bima is short for Bi-ru Ma-lam (Biru = Blue, Malam = Night). The first Bima train was painted blue and ran at night, and it was also the pioneer of compartment trains in Indonesia.
That's why the paint of this compartment train carriage is blue.
Bravo to KAI 👏
Lah baru tw, kirain Bima nya si Pandawa CS
The gyaatt of that staff who showed you the suite was dayummmnn
Bro got brain rotted by watching to much skibidi toilet and u get skibidi toilet syndrome stage 4
@@RailwxyMChahahaa
Hi, from indonesia here, love your video, actually I want to say thanks for providing very nice review, as your video helped me to decide on my recent trip to europe on taking the thalys amsterdam to paris route and whether to take the sncf inoui from paris to milan or the frecciarossa train from paris to milan route, keep up the good videos👍
Regarding review on the Bima compartment, yes I agree with you that KAI could improve more on the placement of the coach, preferably on the rear end of the train configuration like their counterparts on Argo Sumeru, also maybe you should try the new luxury train on Argo Lawu or Argo Dwipangga Jakarta-Yogya/Solo route, as they’re given new 2023 trainset by INKA, the new coach actually better at noice cancellation and ride better at bumpy tracks, but overall it’s still not as smooth as any european rail networks
Thank you, glad I could be of help 🙂
11:54 Maybe, a good step would be to move the series of compartment suites to the very back of the series, so as not to be disturbed by the sound of loud train clacks, but if you get off at a station where the platform is not too long, you may have to pass through another carriage. 😅
12:37 Yes, because of the quality of the Indonesian railway track, following the terrain, it will cause severe shaking, different from the Whoosh Track, you can find out from Nagreg Station which has a height of +848 m above sea level, and the lowest is at Surabaya Pasar Tuti Station with a height of +4 m above sea level
As mentioned
the price is 5 times than economy seat. 2.5 times than plane ticket for (non busy day without luggage). the train station is located in the heart of the city, yet airport is far away from city needed 2 times transportation. almost unlimited luggage weight limit. dont need to do hassel while check in. good arriving time (morning). got food, can sleep trough the night. VS plane ticket ex: 750.000 + 200 x 2 (city to sub airport + airport to city jakarta). kind of worth it
I expect it's all the crossings which is why the train is sounding the horn all night.High speed lines shouldn't be to the detriment of a sleeper train network as it's possible to have both and in Europe we are bringing them back.
I wasn't saying they shouldn't honk, but they should really move this coach away from it 🙃
@@NonstopEurotrip but anyway, from GMR, the set of compartment suites is in the back. Shown in your last minute video. Maybe they couldn't move the coach due to time limitation in SB yard.
The main reason why trains always sound their horns at night is so that if someone is crossing you can hear that the train is about to pass so that person can immediately move away from there.
I'm aware. I never said they shouldn't
Berita bagusnya masinis anda selalu fokus ke stir. Dan bekerja. Mengetahui bahwa kereta bisa berjalan sendiri jika jadi masinis saya akan tinggal main kartu poker.😂😂😂😂
The friendly voice of train travel, thank you for your great videos!
So nice of you ☺️
I think the reason why KAI insists on installing this kind of seat instead of proper bed is because they want flexibility for the coaches to be operated both for night and day trips as bima trainsets are also shared by day running argo semeru....bunk bed in seat mode is usually 90° upright seat which is not so comfy for longer journey compared to recliner, meanwhile in day trip passengers don't always want to lay on bed throughout the journey, so I think this kind of seat is the compromise for KAI , though I don't think the seat has to be bombarded with tons of gimmicks like this compartment seat, making the price tag unnecessarily more expensive and the seat prone to premature damage...I myself would prefer a true sleeper with proper bed for night trips....
Amen 🙌🏻
The design of the coach is fabulous, and so are the uniforms of the attendants.
Odd to see that the Indonesian language simply copied the Dutch word for 'sink' ('wastafel'). On the other hand, Dutch has plenty of Indonesian loanwords.
I totally agree, but I really wish it had an actual bed lol 😂
Indonesia had a lot of Dutch loanwords too.. Especially due the fact that dutch colonize Indonesia when we are still Dutch East Indies.. Dutch Words Like Wastafel, Kulkas, Kantor, etc. Actually used a lot in Indonesia
Yah Belanda sialan suatu saat kami akan membalas kalian tunggu saja
@@NonstopEurotrip then go to sleeptrain duh.
@@txlegion5746 there aren't any in Indonesia
Indonesian are among the smallest and shortest people in the world so this kind of seats/bed is big enough and more than comfortable enough for them but i understand that bigger western foreigner would prefer real larger bed for more comfort.
I dont think the size is the problem, its simply that it isnt a proper bed.. KAI is trying to take a leaf out of commercial aviation's book with these lie flat seats, which is ironic considering how some airlines are now offering fixed beds in addition to a seat in their first class cabins
Indonesian people is Not that short. You only stuck in Old and Outdated data. Most Indonesians today has average height between 167 Cm to 175 Cm for Indonesian Males, and between 155 Cm to 165 Cm for Indonesian Females. These Indonesian height average are the Common height of Asian people. Btw, the population of Indonesian Males with height more than 185 Cm and the population of Indonesian Females with height more than 170 Cm are also Huge. I'm an Indonesian Male with 193 Cm Height.
@@Akainu_D._Ace average men are lower than 160. youre rare caase
@@jopesulaimandude r u sure?? my father is 173 cm, mine is 182 cm. my grandpa est 170-173 cm ... i dont know that male below 160. it is crazy
Thank you mate for this great insight. This summer we gonna travel by this train.
Have fun!
Greeting from Formosa. I'm sure this is the best train journey around East Asia - besides those at Japan.
Maybe 🤔
@@NonstopEurotrip At least that's not a good idea to travel in Formosa under Fake Free China by train again. The new intercity train is a big nightmare to us.
Indonesia is South East Asia. Japan is East Asia.
@@moonchild7790 I see. In some ways I'm wrong. At this case, KAI serves the best train services around Southeast Asia.
06:20 hi, Indonesian here, I need to clarify, no with the price tag of IDR 2.05 million, you cant get nice three night hotel stay in Indonesia, especially Jakarta.
Pretty sure with such price tag, would only able to get you at least 1.5 night stay in nice hotel in Jakarta in 2024😂.
Those price tag would get you nicer 3-night stay if you pick hotel outside Jakarta, outside Java even and in second tier cities.
Yes you can, because I have. Many times.
@@NonstopEurotrip Yes you can, even sometimes 5 stars hotel, it's just about the times. At peak season, close to impossible but at mid or low, most definitely possible.
@@NonstopEurotripyes when it is on a normal month not in the peak season. If you book a hotel at a peak season in jakarta on a 5 stat hotel it would be 1.5-2mil idr lol
@@NonstopEurotripidk what nonsense are you spitting here
0:33 Whoa, it's so weird to see places where I live in in a video like this! I hope you had a great time in Surabaya, Nonstop Eurotrip!
Just a fun fact, locals usually say 'Surabaya' as "sue-roh-boy-oh" :)
Thanks! 😃
Almost similar with Frecciarossa Executive Class Paris-Milan.
Better seat
Thank you for a very interesting video! I personally quite like the idea of a a large chair which can be converted into a bed. It would surely be ideal for a train journey of (say) 12+ hours which involved both day and night travel. It makes much less sense if the journey is 'nighttime only'. As to the fare charged, then, given what you said about the cost of top-class hotels in Indonesia, I anticipate that there will be very few passengers who will fork out a large sum of money for a compartment suite!
That's kind of exactly the point. It's not a bad thing, it just overpriced and had to many niggles
@@NonstopEurotripsudah tau kalau itu terlalu mahal , kenapa naik juga ?.
Looks absolutely beautiful! I’ve got your point reagrding to price but let’s be honest compare to any European rail service 100£ is bargain for 10 hrs journey on such a luxurious train.Thanks for this video :)
Yeah but £100 is 3 nights in a 5 star hotel in Indonesia 😂
0:41 I think the Indonesian text on the video needs to be slightly corrected. The correct form is "Tidak bisa berbicara Bahasa Inggris? Gunakan Subtitel 'CC' di bawah ini untuk menerjemahkan ke 140 Bahasa!"
The meaning is close enough like the English one (Don't Speak English? Use the 'CC' Subtitles below to translate in to 140 Languages!)
Anyway, how is the firmness of the Compartment Suites seat? Is the cushion is more comfier than European standard Couchette or Sleeper trains (especially ÖBB Nightjet, had previously tried Nightjet in sleeper car from Vienna to Amsterdam) or this Bima Compartment Suites seats are more softer than the Nightjet Couchette or Sleeper?
Thanks 🙏🏻
The majority of Indonesians are Muslim, that's why the compartment dividers are semi-transparent glass and only 1 seat is available in each compartment. (You know, to prevent people from doing something...)
What? Sleeping?
@@NonstopEurotripto stop people from creating new lives on train
saya pernah menonton video anda menaiki bus, kenapa tidak mencoba itu di Indonesia? Bus di Indonesia mempunyai banyak kelas & tidak kalah dengan kereta api.
I rode Juragan99 the other day 🤗
WoW, kualitas video dan narasi yang sangat baik, saya merasa seperti menonton tayangan National Geographic. memang dari segi fasilitas dan pelayanan staf Indonesia pasti terbaik. Hanya saja untuk jenis kereta memang masih banyak yg perlu dibenahi, dan KAI sedang berusaha menjadi lebih baik dengan memberikan beberapa pembaruan dari segi trainset, jalur rel, rute, dan tentunya fasilitas pelayanan. Tapi dari segi harga untuk compartmen class memang terlalu mahal. Over all semoga KAI semakin baik. Terima kasih untuk channel ini yg sudah memperkenalkan kereta api Indonesia. Sukses selalu.
Pt KAI lagi berusaha nutup hutang,makanya banyak tiket kereta itu overprice
Pemerintah malah mencabut subsidi BBM sm ningkatin biaya sewa rel😢
Thank you 🙏🏻😊
Plz review one of these - Maharaja Experess/ Palace on Wheels/ Golden Chariot
KAI, bring back the sleeper train damn you!! 😂
We don't really need it, just 8 hours journey and it too short for sleeper train. Except we can connect Java and Sumatera by train, I think we need it for sure.
Hopefully one day!
@galihpambudiarto3008 how about the upcoming Jakarta to Banyuwangi direct train? Haha
@@ryadi1703 The locomotives would be like: please stop... I just can't anymore...
@@rusticcloud3325 they probably will change the locomotive on the route..
The design is very stylish indeed.
I have got the feeling that from a branding point of view, resembling a business class plane seat was KAI’s priority. Objectively a second class SNCF couchette bed probably offers more comfort for sleeping (although much less convenient in the daytime).
The sounding of the horn is indeed annoying. It is of course necessary in countries with unsecured level crossings.
It is even happening all the time in Canada and the US. They always honk everytime they pass the crossing, and it is sooooo loud..
love this video ❤️❤️❤️ such a beautiful train
Thank you very much bro 😺
You should visit mount bromo and borobudur temple....very beautiful😊😊
I already have been to both 😌
KAI made this seating style because they were also inspired from yet another airline product - Emirate's First Class Suite. Just like the 2018 Luxury "Sleeper" inspired from many first class products of airliners
It's not quite an Emirates FC suite lol
4:57-Interesting info about this particular train's locomotive maker: General Electric got out of making trains a few years back, and it sold the railway division to a company called Wabtec, which only makes freight rolling stock (mainly freight locomotives.)
Like the Control-Panet on the Captains Chair on the NCC-1701-D from Star Trek ^^
😂😂😂
Morning time in Java was just extra beautiful don't know why. Even better than Bali's.
Incredible Indonesia 💕
I agree, no matter how comfy and luxurious those seats are, a full bed is always the more preferred option, though its still a mystery as to why the minister of transport and KAI themselves are so reluctant (my only guesses are the problems with the old Bima train or that there's not really a journey in the current Indonesian rail network that requires a true bed sleeper coach, apart from maybe the yet to be refined Sumatra line).
Hopefully KAI and to an extent the minister sees this video and lift the ban or whatever reason they're not allowing beds
I mean it's basically a bed anyway, so they might as well use proper beds 😂
Thanks for the informative video. Agree, having light from the hallway could be disruptive to sleep, along with the horn sounding. Just wondering, did you ever do a trip from Jakarta to Borobudur?
I have yes, I spent 5 nights in Yogyakarta and did all the historical sites around central java 😊
Hihi,I'd like to have info about booking ticket. There is only ticket showed" Argo Anggrek Luxury Sleeper Executive (AA)",but no Suite be wrote.
Id appreciate if Pls offer more information regarding how to book the ticket correctly.
Sometimes it's only available a week or two in advance and does sell out
Two questions, is the chocolate fondent another type of chocolate brownie? when the train arrives at the destination, do you get extra time before you get kicked off?
It's like a brownie with a gooey centre, and not really you have to get off right away 😞
no need to get physical ticket. you can opt for completely paperless! you can even use face-recognition boarding gate.
Foreigners can't do either of these things
I think they could try Fuxing style of put a plane's first class seat inside instead, no need to divide into tiny rooms. As I see this is just a cubicle with a chair that don't goes as flat as a bed.
Also any chance you spend thousands of USD in E&O trains?
Oh they have one of those too, I rode it last week 😂
twitter.com/nonstopeurotrip/status/1759824622839865721?t=7-5wVK7Gs-I-iqdb10cNiA&s=19
Argo Bromo Anggrek 1st Generation Luxury Class
bro 1st gen luxury exist for a damn reason
okey saya komen untuk boost engagement semoga makin ramai yang nonton
Terima kasih, berkat anda saya jadi nonton
Thanks very much; I hope so too 😀
Another amazing videos your videos are the highlight of my week
Happy to hear that! 😊
indonesian railways now is completely incredible, but it has diffrent story when you try in early 2000s
@@Crying-Croc prety sure at that time our train was a disaster. You can still see people commute on the roof of the train
You live in the past
A change for the better then!
Thanks for taking the time and effort to make the review. But I didn't see mentioned power or USB facilities? If you did mention them and I missed them then sorry.
9:36
I blame it on my old age:-) and thanks for taking the time to reply and point me in the right direction. Please keep your vids coming as they are not only informative but also enjoyable. Cheers Kym
Does seem like a rather disappointing use of the space in which to put a "dentist's chair" as was compared elsewhere. Glad you highlighted the price relative to hotels - yes, that's the purchasing power equivalent of ~US$400 in local terms. *Big* ouch.
How much were the regular executive seats on that same trip?
👍for the review, thanks, and glad you had a good trip (excellent staff always helps!)
the executive is around $30
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 Ah; thank you!
Entirely more reasonable in the context of balancing journey and (saving) hotel room costs for the night.
Safe to say I know what option I'd be taking, given that.
Completely agree 👍🏻💯
Beautiful train!
It sure is!
Agreed that the sleeper train should be on the opposite side of the head of the train so the honking sound much less compared to other class. Also the floor lights should be able to turned off or ar least dimmable. If it’s not possible they should opted for a point LED at the 4 corner only with much less watt rather than strips led, as some people may usually sleeps with complete darkness
Tapi guncangannya lebih terasa kalo di belakang
please come to BANGLADESH. you are most welcome here.
One day I will!
WE are waiting to welcome you here@@NonstopEurotrip
Selamat datang disurabaya city
Salam kenal saya berasal dr surabaya Indonesia
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Hi,I recommend the Daxing Airport Express,it's brand-new and comfortable.I recently took this train,it was a nice experience❤
I don't think when Whoosh is extended to Surabaya, the regular trains services with the same route won't be needed. Take Argo Parahyangan, they've served Jakarta-Bandung for a very long time, and even after Whoosh had opened, they still stands strong until now.
My opinion gets a stronger backup by the fact that Whoosh's price for the business class is slightly more expensive than Priority class in Argo Parahyangan, not to mention the fact that you could go to Yogyakarta with regular executive class by the price less than of First Class in Whoosh.
I think Whoosh won't replace the regular trains anytime soon, maybe one day, but untill now, I think Whoosh is only for those who are strictly in business and wants to arrive as soon as possible.
Overall, thanks for your video, and yes, I agree that beds are better than overly reclining seats. Cheers!
Tapi semenjak Pak Jonan ga ada KAI & KAI commuter kaya kurang disiplin, apalagi belakangan ini banyak trouble yang terjadi termasuk gangguan sistem, kereta anjlok dan kecelakaan yang melibatkan kereta api.
kecelakaan pas jaman pak Jonan juga lumayan banyak, paling parah PLH Petarukan tahun 2010.
Pertama, gangguan di KAI komuter disebabkan karena armadanya yg udh tua, seiring bertambahnya penduduk, armada tersebut gk bisa fresh lagi.
Kedua, berapa banyak kejadian kereta anjlok di era skrg? Masih banyak dulu atau skrg? Klo saya liat, KAI jarang kejadian anjlok.
Ketiga, kecelakaan kereta paling banyak disebabkan karena ulah pengendara lain yg gk sabaran.
Coba bandingkan yg dulu dengan skrg, masih lebih banyak yg mana permasalahannya?
I have shared your video with one of board member PT KAI
Thank you 👍🏻😊
I think i know why our trains weren't as comfortable as you might think. It is all to do with the track and the carriages itself. We use narrow gauge track, basically the system left to us by the dutch which by itself isn't as comfortable as a normal gauge. Then comes the carriages, although we are now capable of making our own carriages, the train company or KAI did not improve the overall comfort of the suspension in each carriages. I suspect it was all due to the nature of Indonesia. You see, back then we had a train delivered to us from france (look it up, it's called gerbong gendut) and those well i say it was the most comfortable train in Indonesia at that time. But it didn't last long. Due to our wet, humid and tropical weather where one cannot predict the weather itself, it deteriorate pretty fast. And now it sat abandoned. So i think that's the reasons why our trains isn't as comfortable as what you're hoping. Speaking of which, our high speed train uses different kind of gauges which is the chinese one hence it is way more smother. And that's also why, for the maintenance of the hsr, we uses chinese trains instead of our own.
Thanks for the information ☺️
Ahh argo bromo anggrek lama
Emang sih saya tahun 2005 naik itu bareng kedua orang tua saya,walaupun saya masih kecil pada saat itu
Tapi emang bener² nyaman tuh kereta
I love how much better everything is with the trains. Last time I took the trains there is the exact same service. Gone are the (3rd world style) low platforms, everything looks cleaner and the toilets don’t fall straight into the tracks. The stations have certainly changed.
I just wish they changed the gauge too, narrow garage seems restrictive. Also, why is the track quality still so bad?
That would be a gigantic task. With the introduction of nationwide high-speed too, kind of irrelevant
@@NonstopEurotrip You’re right, that would be huge, especially now that they’ve put in so much into newer rolling stock and infrastructure in the narrow gauge. I wish that happened before that.
It would be more of a standardisation that now they are going to extend the HST everywhere, they’ll be operating two different gauges. But then again, that’s probably a good thing to separate the two different types of trains.
As an Indonesian, I hope KAI and PT INKA can produce sleeper carriage using flat beds like Japanese sleeper train and upgrade their boogies
Sorry for my bad English
I hope so too!!
Actually, you forgot the sleeperete as type and this car appears to me like an upgrade of a sleeperete. All in all I agree though. This is how a 1+ class should look like for a train in day mode.
Absolutely 💯
When train start from surabaya gubeng, the luxury class is always at the front of the consist, because the platform at surabaya gubeng station is not to long and the luxury class passenger will not to get a proper platform.
As I said, it needs to be moved
I was surprised by the price of 2 million IDR. I remembered it being around 1 million. But somehow its always sold out, so i guess they are just increasing the price because demand is apparently pretty high here. Even at 2 million somehow it is often sold out as well.
The Argos Bromo is around 1m IDR but it's not full suites
There will always be a room for improvement…I agreed that the luxury coach supposed to be always located in the rear side of the train and away from the loco as well as the power engine compartment. KAI should really consider this placement of the coach.
And yess agreed about the price
It’s just way too expensive especially to the fact that this particular coach is still using the old boogey that makes it move a bit shaky along the journey.
However, about the chair, I don’t think that Indonesians are very comfortable using just a “bed” kind of compartment. We love to use this kinda of multi function chair/bed.
Well, it’s just preferences, right? Just like how Indians love their fully bed compartments so much.
Me personally, really like this compartment coach so much (especially that massage feature, ough they’re so good😊)…but again, all I have to complain about is the ticket price.
indonesia use narrow gauge (1067mm) instead of standard/wide gauge have something to do with the bumpy ride quality. it's is known that narrow gauge is cheaper to built and more suited for indonesian mountainous geography. that's combine with the fact that japan also use one and indonesia is known to import many ex-japanese commuter line also contribute to why KAI uses them as standard gauge for indonesia
Actually, from what I learned, Dutch built standard gauge at that time. But when Japan came, they changed the gauge to the narrow. That is what we have until now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Ternyata naik KA di Indo itu murah lho Gambir - Ps Turi at Gambir - Malang kisaran 500 rb - 750 rb.( 900 km )
di Eropa saya naik KA dari Groningen - Amsterdam ( 200 km ) 30 Euro .
Mahal kan ? ....
I hope Indonesia introduces normal AC sleeper coaches (like those in China, India, Vietnam etc) for overnight trains.. Sitting for 10 hrs overnight is a tiring journey.
Same!
Kereta Cepat Indonesia. Mantap!
im indonesian but i never knew it was this amazing
Special septic tank patents belong to PT. KAI which hv been installed in all trains in indo, initiated by prior minister of transportation Mr Jonan...
Ok?
Nice video. Small point: The correct translation of "Don't speak Indonesian?" in your opening subtitles is "Tidak berbicara bahasa Indonesia?" The word "jangan" does mean "don't", but in the exhortative sense, used when telling someone not to do something ("Don't!")
Thanks, many people pointed this out and it will be changed going forward
You should look into making a video on the new Tren Maya or Trans-Isthmus Railway in Mexico.
Coming soon 👀
Just watch this. I am surprised that Bima has reinvented with new cars and new class compartment. Its very expensive though, especially for locals compare to the trip time. But maybe there's a niche market they targeted.
Maybe i wont be able to to a trip with it so thank youbfpr your video and especially your honest review 😊
We agree!
12:09 I think this compartment class will be stay exist by _KAI_ because the Indonesian Government will offer the passenger with 3 service options, for that long distance system, either from Surabaya to Jakarta and returned:
1. Whoos Southern Line 350 Km/hour
2. Domestically Made Red and White Electric Diesel Bullet Train By PT.INKA with 250 Km/hour Northern Line
3. All Class of Regular Train by KAI service like this one 120 km/hour.
By the way, who's better about the Flagship Rail Systems in South East Asia? Indonesia or Malaysia?
kereta cepat buatan inka kayanya bakal lari 160km/jam doang di track existing utara. kalo mau lari 200++ harus jalan di track whoosh
We'll have to wait and see I guess!
Aren't there some sleeper beds like this in Australia?
I don't believe they're closing door suites
Compartrement suite memang kereta kelas 1 Indonesia.. wajar harga yang sangat mahal
What camera did you use to record the video?
GoPro hero 12
How much are the compartments with beds that you describe? I bet quite a bit more.
This is those
Actually I like the concept tho, I want to sleep while able to see the scenery, many sleeper train doesn't have bed that facing the window. Also I like that I can have a chair so my head won't get tired watcing the scenery while sleeping. Extra points, I love how private it's with just one people per room instead of two people like how sleeper train usually have. Agree with how noisy is it tho and also how expensive it's for the local.
Thanks for sharing 😊
Nice video. Thank you for uploading.
Thank you 👍🏻
Better than you must pay expensive tiket of the bad flight which having almost the same price even the duration time but the train always on time and rilex, not so tired as how to reach the flight from home to airport etc.,
Way better than flying!
Saya rasa anda begitu memahami lokomotif yang berdinas di malam itu bung🎉
😎😎😎
I'd Love To Watching You Commuting With KAI Commuterline On Rush Hour Tho
I have 🙃
it is not their choice not to have a bed bro. The regulation of the government through the transportation ministry , prevent such thing. For safety reason, somehow, the regulation stated that only 170 degree maximum reclining seats are permitted. I dont really know the reason for this limitation.
Hopefully that rule will go soon!
Your assessment of the train truly represents what I thought about the service. It's not a sleeper train, nor remotely is it. It's a sitting coach with a fully reclined seat. Real sleeper trains would have featured sleeping bunks, like all other sleeper trains.
It's a glorified sitting coach, or perhaps a moving lounge. Not a genuine luxury sleeper train.
Ironically, back in the old days, Indonesia used to have the proper sleeping train, complete with comfortable bunks. Guests would also enjoy meals in the dining car, not in their cabin.
Alas, that service was terminated in 1980s.
So when they revived the so-called sleeper service, they took wrong reference: airline service, instead of real sleeper trains.
Amen brother 🙌🏻