Thanks for the review. Love to see new options. I bought my Battleborn 100 amp hour battery for $799 with a ten year warranty, the AOlithium is on sale for $629 with a limited 3 year warranty.
Thanks, yes I should have mentioned the warranty. Battle born at 10 years and Lion Energy with the lifetime warranty is very impressive. AOlithium does a two level warranty for 3 years for their smaller batteries but these in the video have a 5 year warranty.
Very good information. I've been holding off going to LiFePO4 for a few years watching prices go down and seeing how they work in the real world. As my 6v golf cart batteries are now almost 6 years old it'll be about time soon to replace... 6 years ago I contended replacing with BB at $1500 ea was not cost effective despite all the voodoo math that was going on. Now the knock offs are about there.
I was wondering if you could answer a question. If I switch to Lithium and upgrade my converter to charge them properly, Do i need to do anything to my tow vehicle. I understand it may not charge to 100% percent while traveling and i am fine with that, I am just wondering if it will do any damage to my alternator. I am hoping I can do nothing.
Hello. Question about the smartshunt and my trailer. From the factory, the batteries were grounded to the frame. I'm guessing the distribution panel has its own ground too. Can I connect the shunt to chassis ground or should I look where the distribution panel grounds and do some trailer rewiring?
Thanks for the review. I think you answered a question I had which was can you just do a direct drop in and would my regular charger work. Seems the answer is yes and up to 90%. Thanks!!
@@AllAboutRVs related to the "drop in" question, if you were to buy a couple of lithium batteries with stock controller, and ran them for a year or two charging to 80-90% regularly. After upgrading controller to handle lithium would batteries function as designed or would the 2 years of partial recharging have a negative effect on them?
I prefer my SOK's. They don't yet have Bluetooth built in but I hear it's coming. They don't have these ridiculous terminals to deal with. They can also handle 4 batteries in series or 10 in parallel. I purchased the 206ah models which have a lot of capacity in a reasonable size.
Thank you - very helpful video. We do boondock and travel with a Honda EU2000i generator and a 200w solar suitcase (gives us a lot of flexibility). Even with being conservative with lighting and the propane furnace use, we had two times last fall that we could not bring the slides in in the morning without connecting the generator. I think this video has tipped me over the edge to replace my two (2) lead-acid batteries with two (2) 100aH lithium batteries. It would be a "drop in" approach using the Bluetooth BMS and an upgraded lithium compatible charger converter of the same amperage as the existing one. I will continue to travel with the solar and generator for charging. I would not be adding an inverter or extra 12v loads. The questions: Can I just use the existing 12v power cabling (6awg) from the batteries in the front compartment of the 5th wheel (Grand Design Reflection) to the distribution panel? Should I add any additional fuses because etc. because they have higher "deliverability"?
You do not need to upgrade the wire gauge between the batteries and converter. You could if you want, might reduce voltage drop if you have any, but absolutely not necessary just because they are lithium batteries. If your loads change (current demand increases) you’d absolutely want to consider the wire gauge.
Nice review! Could you confirm that the low temperature charge cutoff actually works? There have been reports from other reviews that they used the wrong temperature sensor for cold cutoff and it doesn’t actually shutdown charging below freezing.
I use the Renogy Bluetooth batteries at $550 The program shows any of the 3 batteries individually or the battery bank profile Umm it also monitors the entire solar System on the same app
Good video. Nice to see a good review on Lithium besides Will's videos. I just purchased a similar Renogy lithium with Bluetooth. I'm curious if the Bluetooth monitoring is good enough to avoid a separate battery shunt (I only need one battery for my trailer). I'll find out when I start using it soon.
I think this is what I am looking for. Decently priced with Bluetooth monitor. Only issue is my charger is not lithium compatible. Does it hurt the battery not fully charging? Plan on doing the converter next year. Thanks!
gosh... sure would like you to look at my rv and put 2 of these in my rig. I have a 12v system with a converter, and my rv is prewired for 100 w solar. Sounds like this would work great for my class B+
great video - Im thinking of making the switch to Lithium - not really boondocking, but have a 12V fridge. the unit has the solar flex 400i from keystone - basically, 2x200 W panels, and 50 AMP solar charger, and a 2000W inverter. is 1x100 ah lithium enough to run only the fridge? any benefit to a single 200ah battery over 2 100 ah batteries?
I would do at least 2 batteries with a 2000W inverter some like the 200ah battery for the capacity to space ratio but often times it only has the output of 100 amps continuous compared to 2 batteries to give you 200ah at 200 amps out cont. depends on your wants and needs.
Thanks, good question, I don’t think I would have any other reasons than that unless you just were done with lead acid and you wanted a simple no hassle battery monitor too. My top batteries at this time are BattleBorn, Lion Energy, SOK and now this AOLithium battery. All good options for RVers depending on your wants and needs.
12V 12Ah Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) Battery, Over 2000 Cycles, Built-in BMS I like to replace my two 6v golf cart batteries with this in my RV, running only my 12 V circuit and charging with my alternator. My 110V is already on solar, but I am too lazy to switch the 12 Volt over so can I ???
Can I mix and match Lithium batteries? I have a battle born 100 amp and would like to add one of these in parallel. I can't think of a reasons why this would not work.
Good question because just because a manufacturer says it has one doesn’t mean it’s always setup properly but Yes it does actually shut it off in freezing temps.
Great info Jared. I thought Battle Borne was the only player in the lithium game. Do you have any ideas about why the rv converter couldn’t get the battery to 100% charge?
The converter was for a lead acid battery and the charging voltage isn’t high enough to bring it up to 100%. I’ve done a review on 4 LiFePO4 batteries and my top 4 currently are BattleBorn, Lion Energy, SOK and now these AOLithium batteries. I’m always looking for options because every RVer isn’t the same and knowing of the options available can be very helpful.
I have an entire renogy system that I need installed...200ah LiFePO4, 3kw inverter, 50 DC charge controller and a battery monitor. I'm in the Atlanta area. Know of anyone that does this type of work?
Jared, I thought you were a Battle Born converted to Lion Energy battery guy? How dare you show alternatives to those esteemed brands! Just kiddin'- I think it's great that you are showing a moderate cost alternative to a $1,000 & $800 battery- I wish more people would do it. I'm glad that a couple of folks are showing the downsides of poorly constructed batteries, and- I really liked the slug of coated copper used in this battery- it really DOES allow the cells to be stretched to their safe capacities! Finally, I don't think that I can 'build' a battery that is this effective for much less than $629. Cells, BMS', copper cable, copper fittings & terminals- not to mention tools that MOST don't own (hydraulic crimpers for 1)- it becomes difficult to make a battery bank (unless large, where costs can be spread) and it's very hard to determine similar capacities among similar cells without additional testing equipment!
Good question but no I’m sticking with the Lion Energy for now, I’m just always looking for options for RVers because everyone’s needs or wants could be a little different.
Usually it is a limit of the current the BMS system can handle. Adding batteries in parallel increases the circuit current while keeping voltage the same.
Genius move with the washer. Good to show folks how necessary it is to have such strong connections.
One of these batteries pulled over 200amp for over 20 minutes solid in a recent test
Thanks for the review. Love to see new options.
I bought my Battleborn 100 amp hour battery for $799 with a ten year warranty, the AOlithium is on sale for $629 with a limited 3 year warranty.
Thanks, yes I should have mentioned the warranty. Battle born at 10 years and Lion Energy with the lifetime warranty is very impressive. AOlithium does a two level warranty for 3 years for their smaller batteries but these in the video have a 5 year warranty.
I built a 560 AH Lifepo4 Battery with bluetooth monitoring for $1100. No warranty. No problems after 2 years.
Very good information. I've been holding off going to LiFePO4 for a few years watching prices go down and seeing how they work in the real world. As my 6v golf cart batteries are now almost 6 years old it'll be about time soon to replace... 6 years ago I contended replacing with BB at $1500 ea was not cost effective despite all the voodoo math that was going on. Now the knock offs are about there.
It's nice to see the prices at these levels.
As always, a very informative video. Your channel is truly my go-to for RV tech.
Thank you.
I was wondering if you could answer a question. If I switch to Lithium and upgrade my converter to charge them properly, Do i need to do anything to my tow vehicle. I understand it may not charge to 100% percent while traveling and i am fine with that, I am just wondering if it will do any damage to my alternator. I am hoping I can do nothing.
Now in Nov 2024 this battery is now $149.00 each. AMAZING!
Hello. Question about the smartshunt and my trailer. From the factory, the batteries were grounded to the frame. I'm guessing the distribution panel has its own ground too. Can I connect the shunt to chassis ground or should I look where the distribution panel grounds and do some trailer rewiring?
I know this video is a bit older, but I was wondering how these batteries do if you connect them to the Multiplus or Multiplus ii?
Thanks for the review. I think you answered a question I had which was can you just do a direct drop in and would my regular charger work. Seems the answer is yes and up to 90%. Thanks!!
Glad it helped.
@@AllAboutRVs related to the "drop in" question, if you were to buy a couple of lithium batteries with stock controller, and ran them for a year or two charging to 80-90% regularly. After upgrading controller to handle lithium would batteries function as designed or would the 2 years of partial recharging have a negative effect on them?
I prefer my SOK's. They don't yet have Bluetooth built in but I hear it's coming. They don't have these ridiculous terminals to deal with. They can also handle 4 batteries in series or 10 in parallel. I purchased the 206ah models which have a lot of capacity in a reasonable size.
The SOK is impressive and I see on the website they have the Bluetooth BMS listed.
Thanks for your nice review!
Thank you - very helpful video.
We do boondock and travel with a Honda EU2000i generator and a 200w solar suitcase (gives us a lot of flexibility). Even with being conservative with lighting and the propane furnace use, we had two times last fall that we could not bring the slides in in the morning without connecting the generator. I think this video has tipped me over the edge to replace my two (2) lead-acid batteries with two (2) 100aH lithium batteries.
It would be a "drop in" approach using the Bluetooth BMS and an upgraded lithium compatible charger converter of the same amperage as the existing one. I will continue to travel with the solar and generator for charging. I would not be adding an inverter or extra 12v loads.
The questions: Can I just use the existing 12v power cabling (6awg) from the batteries in the front compartment of the 5th wheel (Grand Design Reflection) to the distribution panel? Should I add any additional fuses because etc. because they have higher "deliverability"?
You do not need to upgrade the wire gauge between the batteries and converter. You could if you want, might reduce voltage drop if you have any, but absolutely not necessary just because they are lithium batteries. If your loads change (current demand increases) you’d absolutely want to consider the wire gauge.
Thanks for the review. Is there any advantage to using 3 or 4 100ah batteries vs. 2 200ah batteries?
Nice review! Could you confirm that the low temperature charge cutoff actually works? There have been reports from other reviews that they used the wrong temperature sensor for cold cutoff and it doesn’t actually shutdown charging below freezing.
Will Prowse and the LithiumSolar channel both tested and approved that the Low Temp. charge Cutoff worked and it was the right temp probe.
@@lanem9603 Thanks for the update. This was the only thing missing in the review.
Are you pulling your RV with a Ram 3500 non-dully truck
Thanks for that. Sounds like a possibility for us.
Seems good, and the price is good. Did you test the bms like the cold protection or high low charge protection?
Really nice review. More and more companies will be making these and the costs will come down even more.
I use the Renogy Bluetooth batteries at $550 The program shows any of the 3 batteries individually or the battery bank profile Umm it also monitors the entire solar System on the same app
Good video. Nice to see a good review on Lithium besides Will's videos.
I just purchased a similar Renogy lithium with Bluetooth. I'm curious if the Bluetooth monitoring is good enough to avoid a separate battery shunt (I only need one battery for my trailer). I'll find out when I start using it soon.
I think this is what I am looking for. Decently priced with Bluetooth monitor. Only issue is my charger is not lithium compatible. Does it hurt the battery not fully charging? Plan on doing the converter next year. Thanks!
Good question no it won’t hurt it.
gosh... sure would like you to look at my rv and put 2 of these in my rig. I have a 12v system with a converter, and my rv is prewired for 100 w solar. Sounds like this would work great for my class B+
Should be a good alternative to the battle born for price nice review Jared thanks
Thank you!
Great video and great information. Any thoughts on combing these with Battle Born lithium batteries?
I would not recommend combining different types but I might have to test that some day for more info.
great video - Im thinking of making the switch to Lithium - not really boondocking, but have a 12V fridge. the unit has the solar flex 400i from keystone - basically, 2x200 W panels, and 50 AMP solar charger, and a 2000W inverter. is 1x100 ah lithium enough to run only the fridge? any benefit to a single 200ah battery over 2 100 ah batteries?
I would do at least 2 batteries with a 2000W inverter some like the 200ah battery for the capacity to space ratio but often times it only has the output of 100 amps continuous compared to 2 batteries to give you 200ah at 200 amps out cont. depends on your wants and needs.
weight vs Redundancy
With a 12v fridge, I'd definitely get 2x 100ah batteries.
Maybe the next generation of or an update to the AOLithiun app will include capabilities to monitor multiple batteries at the same time.
Nice review thanks. Why AOLithium and not Battle Born? I know BB cost more but any other reasons.....??
Thanks, good question, I don’t think I would have any other reasons than that unless you just were done with lead acid and you wanted a simple no hassle battery monitor too. My top batteries at this time are BattleBorn, Lion Energy, SOK and now this AOLithium battery. All good options for RVers depending on your wants and needs.
12V 12Ah Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) Battery, Over 2000 Cycles, Built-in BMS
I like to replace my two 6v golf cart batteries with this in my RV, running only my 12 V circuit and charging with my alternator. My 110V is already on solar, but I am too lazy to switch the 12 Volt over
so can I ???
Can I mix and match Lithium batteries? I have a battle born 100 amp and would like to add one of these in parallel. I can't think of a reasons why this would not work.
The manual says not to mix with other models. If I had BattleBorn I would stick with BattleBorn.
You mentioned the temperature sensor, but did you test it to make sure it will shut down charging?
Good question because just because a manufacturer says it has one doesn’t mean it’s always setup properly but Yes it does actually shut it off in freezing temps.
Great info Jared. I thought Battle Borne was the only player in the lithium game. Do you have any ideas about why the rv converter couldn’t get the battery to 100% charge?
The converter was for a lead acid battery and the charging voltage isn’t high enough to bring it up to 100%. I’ve done a review on 4 LiFePO4 batteries and my top 4 currently are BattleBorn, Lion Energy, SOK and now these AOLithium batteries. I’m always looking for options because every RVer isn’t the same and knowing of the options available can be very helpful.
What setting do I use on my solar controller to charge these lithium batteries? AGM, flooded, etc. It doesn't have a lithium setting!
Does it have a custom setting available?
I would look at the settings for what they have and see if it has a custom setting like Cha Chi recommended.
AGM settings are usually better than flooded if nothing else.
@@chachi5975 not sure it's a 30 Amp go power in a 2018 Genesis Supreme
Could you have a 8 battery 24 volt system with these batteries.
Per AOlithium - Do not string batteries in series and parallel at the same time.
Yes what Lane M said is what is in the manual.
Fantastic!
Glad you like it!
I have an entire renogy system that I need installed...200ah LiFePO4, 3kw inverter, 50 DC charge controller and a battery monitor. I'm in the Atlanta area. Know of anyone that does this type of work?
Low temp?
Yes it does have a low temp Sensor
Jared, I thought you were a Battle Born converted to Lion Energy battery guy? How dare you show alternatives to those esteemed brands! Just kiddin'- I think it's great that you are showing a moderate cost alternative to a $1,000 & $800 battery- I wish more people would do it. I'm glad that a couple of folks are showing the downsides of poorly constructed batteries, and- I really liked the slug of coated copper used in this battery- it really DOES allow the cells to be stretched to their safe capacities! Finally, I don't think that I can 'build' a battery that is this effective for much less than $629. Cells, BMS', copper cable, copper fittings & terminals- not to mention tools that MOST don't own (hydraulic crimpers for 1)- it becomes difficult to make a battery bank (unless large, where costs can be spread) and it's very hard to determine similar capacities among similar cells without additional testing equipment!
Are you swapping out your LION Energy Batteries?
Good question but no I’m sticking with the Lion Energy for now, I’m just always looking for options for RVers because everyone’s needs or wants could be a little different.
They're nice batteries. App has some bugs though, needs an update
It would be nice to see multiple batteries at the same time too.
Why would the batteries care how many of them are in parallel?
From what I understand it’s a limitation from the BMS.
Usually it is a limit of the current the BMS system can handle. Adding batteries in parallel increases the circuit current while keeping voltage the same.
Nice
Wheres that truck update ?😃
Sorry it’s coming. I keep pushing it back but just need to do it because it has worked so well for us.
100ah Lifpo4 batteries are $310 bucks without Bluetooth , seems like a lot of money for Bluetooth feature.
Those $310 batteries usually don't have low temp cut off. That is important for almost all RVers.