Film Theory: Star Wars, How The Mandalorian PROVES the Empire was Right!
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With the return of The Mandalorian season 2 to Disney+, I felt it was about time to also return to a Star Wars theory. In a previous theory, I talked about how the Jedi could be construed as an 'evil' order. Today, I'm taking that kind of idea and flipping it to talk about the Empire itself! I think The Mandalorian provides us with even more clues that the Empire may not be as wrong in it's philosophy as we thought! How? Why? Well Theorists, make sure you Baby Yoda is somewhere safe because this is about to take a turn to the dark side...
0:38 - This is referencing two different studies citing two different percentages. It is not between 31% and 58%, it is both 31% and 58% percent results from the two studies.
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They even reduced crime rate on Alderaan to zero
yeah thanks sheev!
Too soon
Yes my master
@Lord Waluigi TOO. SOON.
Gyes
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I once saw “The empire did nothing wrong” written on a bathroom ceiling
@Fnaf fox Fan Why tho
Me who wrote that on the ceeling of my former school's bathroom : *Odin is with us!*
I once saw an image of a bathroom stall with "you look nice today" written on the inside of the door.
@Christian Salluce Maybe a minecraft mod that replaces Mob spawners with Toilets and all mobs are Skletons disguised as stormtroopers , with arrows being lazers and blasters as bows.
@Corn Peyton like having both a swastika, and a hammer and sickle next to each other
In season two, mayfield says something along the lines of “It doesn’t matter who rules to these people. Empire, republic, they’re all just people taking over their homes”
Man i love that episode so much mayfield in season 2 was so good
Also Mayfield in this episode: Remembers Operation Cinder and just shoots an imperial for beeing pure evil
yes thankyou for mentioning this
It's true. Colonized countries don't care who's ruling them bad guys or good guys they just see them as invaders taking their stuff
@@edgemaxxer1573 Don't care? No wonder they don't have spines enough to defend their stuff in the first place. That's their first mistake, right there.
Fun fact, Alderaan had an extremely powerful private military, that if it had survived, would have been a huge thorn in the empires side.
Alderaan was also separatist. Granted, that could just be a 51% attack on every other political view on the planet, but at least 51% of the people voted in a separatist government and were not innocent in the Empire's eyes.
Also, Alderaan had a small population, Obi-Wan only says that "millions of voices" were silenced. It depends on how you're counting, but earth currently has billions of inhabitants.
@@dafoexI don't remember which episode but Cara dune mentiones a number when talking to the Chinese pilot guy.
Well then it was a good thing for the Empire that they blew Alderan up
Lets not forget in legends they beat the sith in a fist fight.
Reminds me of a quote from Genghis Khan:
"Conquering the world on horseback is easy, it is dismounting and governing it that is difficult"
Also Hamilton the musical said wining is easy governing is harder
True that was what happened to gengesh Khan empire
What were your thoughts on Season 2 Episode 7?
The empire is like the russian federation of today and putin is seen as the ultimate leader and tsar.if you don,t believe me just look at palpatine and putin more properly,both are trying their best to bring order and peace to the galaxy and russia which the jedi,s and western leader never wanted.they are only interested in collecting resources from weak and helpless people and alien for their own personal gain and nothing else.so when the empire was fallen the native alien of their planets were being robbed,hunted,raped,murdered and their resources taken from them and that,s why the first order was form to try to bring order and peace to the galaxy by removing the republic who are the real monsters and not the first order
Counter argument; ghengis just sucked at governing and basically just delegated everything to his children and generals
They had slavery under the empire.. they committed genocide on geonosis to build the death star
and the wookies
Also they never beat the huts there criminals. Order i dont see.
@@wariorjimenez7306 Because taking down the mafia in a single city didn't cause any problems _whatsoever,_ much less the interstellar mafia.
I don’t see a problem
They had slavery under the republic too. Maybe not institutionalized slavery, but so widespread that nothing was really done about it.
And that's ignoring Droids which I would argue is slavery too.
Really what needs to be explored was how the CIS were the good guys in the prequel trilogy.
"Yo dude the empire is pretty chill , maybe you can like , join it or something."
so Darth Vader is telling the truth
Underrated.
*Later Vader:* _"I LIED. As I have from the beginning..."_
[[3:32]] **shows the flag of the galactic republic when discussing the empire and shows some random monstrosity when discussing the republic**
I literally just read that in Beavis and Butthead's voices! XD
He gave an option, like he did to Obi-Wan. A censored plot is, he also gave an option to the Jedi Younglings. See My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic's "School Raze".
About the empire and the ewoks, I'm not sure about current canon, but in legends the ewoks and the empire were certainly not on good terms by the time the rebels got there. This one elderly ex-stormtrooper even recounts the events like a survival horror story, slowly losing more and more members of his platoon to the dreaded ewoks. In the end when he was captured, he begged for the rebels to take him instead of leaving him to the ewoks.
Yeah. They sorta ate them alivr and hjng them. Not "friendly"
Well that might explain why the stormtroopers were leaving them alone. They wanted no part of that.
I think that Ex Stormtrooper musta played too much Ewok Hunt
This is true. Ewoks were known to eat sapient beings.
They did want to cook the rebels when they first met. They probably just wanted to have chicken again.
About alderann, palpatine got pretty mad when it blew up, he said that tarkin was lucky he died on the death star, I wonder what palpatine was planning on doing to tarkin if he survived
Also, alderaan had a very low population and yes, some were innocent but it was also a military target that was hosting, funding, and leading a violent rebellion. The USA nuked two entire manufacturing cities in WW2, firebombed helpless puppet countries, invaded the Middle East for decades, etc. All in the name of peace and order to minimize the loss of life. So "millions of voices silenced" on alderaan seems like the price to save an entire galaxy from further violence.
Actually wasn't Palpatine from Alderan, maybe I'm confusing it with Nabu or Corosant
@@nigelxd3735 Palpatine was from Naboo I think
@@knightofblackfyre7950 oh, nevermind then
@@eatonkuntz Alderaan had a massive population, sure is wasn’t on coruscaunt levels of population but still a lot
“I promise I won’t get all political”
Me three drinks later:
I’m wondering what is the red thing on your profile pic can you tell me?
@@nabeelfarooq3573a broken heart I think
@@pcdog7027 k thanks
@@nabeelfarooq3573 it’s a variant of the logo for Green Day’s American Idiot. A symbol for Rage and Love or something like that if I remember correctly.
@@alexandrothealright9818 nice
So what you're saying is...
Winning was easy, governing's harder?
Communism moment
𝙝𝙤𝙬 𝙙𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙮𝙤𝙪, 𝙞 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙜𝙤𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙨𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙢𝙮 𝙝𝙚𝙖𝙙.
Agreed
Cough cough (French revolution) cough cough
Mongol moment
I think I also read somewhere that while jedi aren't allowed to have connections or communicate to friends of family after they have been "taken in for training", stormtroopers of the empire only aren't allowed to communicate to others when they are in the death star because it has to stay hidden.
I mean. The difference is that one is a military organization, the other is a religious one.
Also, Anakin went and visited his mother, remember? While the jedi teach detachment, they clearly do not force it and nobody is prohibited from leaving the order for good if they want. Anakin and his mom both wanted him to become a jedi.
@@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel yeah, he wasnt allowed to, he was meant to stay on Naboo
@@loafstudios8811
He was supposed to stay on Naboo, because that was his assignment. That doesn't necessarily mean that he was forbidden from visiting his family, though. Granted, it certainly looks that way, but I don't think they ever explicitly mentioned it in any piece of media that's canon.
Yeah, I mean Gary even has a daughter that he brings to work with him sometimes.
I find it hilarious that people "discover" that there are problems with the republic and the Jedi order in the prequels, when that was literally the point of the prequels.
I think it's because people irrationally hated the prequels and didn't pay attention, or they only watched them as kids and didn't pick up on all the details until they rewatch them now
It's even there in the original trilogy: Luke had to turn against the advice of his Jedi mentors in order to face his father and defeat the Sith.
And how even worse people who don't care about others, can use these relatively minor problems to create scapegoats for their own agenda.
@@eyesofthecervino3366 It's a bit more nuanced then that. Since the first time he did that he was defeated and just got in the way of his friends saving Han.
The message seems to be that your motives matter just as much as your actions. He wanted to save them because of how their pain affected him and ended badly. Luke wanted to save his father for his sake not his own and it worked out.
In comparison. While Anakin wanted to save his loved ones as well he motives and actions where just so selfish and terrible it resulted in disaster. For the galaxy as well as himself.
Yes, but the point of the prequels is that stagnating to a status quo of capitalism and ignoring the constant political and economic problems it creates and not moving forward to a better system when your technological advancement allows you to do so creates the conflicts that allow for fascism to take over.
The best way to describe the prequels is "why socialists criticize centrist liberals: the trilogy"
Leia: I'm on a diplomatic mission to alderan
Vader *having just watched rogue one*: 🤨
Vader: Then why are you in the Outer Rim in the opposite of the Galaxy from Alderaan?
@@m.c.martin she is taking the scenic route
Vader I know it’s sus but we can always use the truth gas to get the truth
That's one of many things that why rogue one doesn't work
Vader (in Palpatine's voice):
"How unfortunate it is that you are attempting to deceive me..."
If you’ve read the book “lost stars” it shows multiple planets exploited for all its resources, entire species put into slavery and a complete disregard for all life including their own officers while the galaxy was under imperial rule.
There's zero cohesiveness in expanded universe content honestly. One author can be brainwashed by the movie's with the propaganda that the empire is this evil malevolent force. So they'll write their stories as such. The other author can see the movies for what they are and pay more attention to create consistent narratives. I can see why Disney wanted to just throw it all out into the trash even though I completely disagree with how they did it.
@@Stiksta That's the thing. From just the movies, as it should be, he made this theory, and it fits. Not saying comics and all that shouldn't exist, but from the context of the movies all of them, Lucas, "modern Lucas" and Disney did a shitty job portraying the empire as being pure evil (in terms of how this video was able to put the theory) except for the Tarkin speech or wathever, pretty much everything was just from the movies. Long story short, my point is he has a valid point for this theory saying the good guys are the one you see thru certain point of view.
@@sonnic1995 I think the Genosha massacre and slavery stuff was remade canon? Or at least the massacre bit in a comic line.
Goh
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I mean so did most countries on earth but we don’t really talk about that
Bro palpatine is just chillin in a chair, he doesn't has a luxurious life
Are you joking? Yeah and the King of England lives a average life
In Luke’s defense the Ewoks were planning to cook and eat him and his friends...
I mean.. they did invade their place, didn't they?
I mean he didn't have to drag them into the war he could of just mind trick them into letting them go and that's it
@@AndOnliCar the Ewoks were working with the Rebellion before that. A lot of them died bringing the information about the second Death Star to the Rebellion in the third movie.
@@JimBoi8437 he didn't know how to do that yet did they?????
I'm not sure lol
Yeah
Teacher: What have you learned in this video?
Me: MatPat is a sith lord
A Sith Lord?
@@neadst Yes, the one we’ve been looking for..
DarthPat is real
That is a good thing
But is he the master, or the apprentice?
Film theorys new theory: order 66 was secretly a good thing
That would be mind blowing, awesome and weird at the same time.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he did one at this point lmao
It brought balance to the force
It got rid of the non-secular branch of government controlling the rest of the government for its own religious beliefs, it absolutely was a good thing
Edit: meant non-secular, accidentally said secular
True it did bring balance
Also, most of the stormtroopers were relatively harmless, just doing their duty as soldiers. They’re either normal conscripted people from the Galaxy, or clones that are loyal to the empire’s cause of social order. It’s not like they’re hostile in every encounter, like pointed out with the Ewoks or how they are on Lothal in Rebels.
Yes, Stormtroopers would never do horrible things like... you know....
Murdering an entire sand crawler of jawas because they *might* have seen something.
Or burning an elderly farmer couple alive for the same reason.
You know, if you ignore all the war crimes stormtroopers do, they are basically harmless, it's true.
@@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegelHe said most. "I was just following orders" never stopped being an excuse even in our amazing democracy and unfortunately as the video stated we need boots on the ground to keep people safe otherwise they fall victim to violent crime even more
@@BookDefender777 The point is that it doesn't matter if they are not murdering civilians *every* day, what matters is that they are all going to do it, when ordered to. And they will be, because the Empire is as evil as it gets.
"We need the stormtroopers" makes no sense, because Tattooine was still a hive of scum and villainy even with, and probably especially, with the Empire there, because they did nothing to stop crime lords like Jabba, while burning civilians alive the moment they *might* become a problem.
Tattooine looked way nicer in the prequels before the Empire took over, in fact.
@@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel That’s not what the video said. Did you even watch it? You get any authoritarian party going on the offensive and you’ll find they end up committing some atrocities The Rebels included.
They’re not conscripted. In fact, if I remember correctly the Empire never used conscription.
When the client says the Empire improves every system it touches, he's not wrong. Just doesn't state who benefits from it. I wouldn't say Mimban, Kashyyyk, Lothal, Mustafar,
Geonosis, Ryloth, Mon Cala, or Mandalore where improved by the Empire so much as they improved the Empire of the backs of the inhabitants.
The Empire itself benefits, just not the locals.
What about Coruscant.
Don't forget Illum, Kamino, MonCala, Mandalore, Dantooine, Tattooine.Basically ever planet they've touched. And the fact that the Empire would send scouts looking for any force sensitive child they could to corrupt them to the Dark Side.
Sorry this theory still doesn't hold too much water. But hey its from a certain point of view.
@@bowenjudd1028 There isn't enough content from either Canon or Legends to see how the day to day for the typical Coruscant citizen post Clone Wars/Pre-Endor, though I would imagine it'd still be the same as it was before the Empire for anyone living in the lower levels. AKA Still pretty crappy.
Any "good" the Empire brought to a system was only for the best interest of the Empire itself. whether or nor the locals benefited from that was of little interest to the Empire.
Goh
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Something that wasn't mentioned that is actually integral: the second Death Star was purposely made to look unfinished to trick the rebels. When the battle of endor happened the second Death Star was in fact finished, which is why they had to disable the shield and why Sidious was present in the battle station
Not finished, but the majority of its systems were online. They just delayed the completion of the superstructure in order to complete the trap.
It was planned to be finished later on.
@@AzraelThanatos yeah the weapons were what weren’t supposed to be finished but they ended up being “fully operational” the station itself wasn’t done
palpatine did have a fleet of star destroyers jump in later...
and he had tons of imperial forces capturing the rebel ground team...
and he also did seem to know the rebels were going to comme attack the death star
@@gangzhu9932 Exactly. So he lured them him tricking them into thinking the death star was still being constructed
This makes literally zero since if you remember HOW they destroyed the second Death Star. They literally went INSIDE an exhaust port that brought them to the core. You would think that if the station was actually finished or if it was made to LOOK like it was unfinished that they would at least remove the problem that destroyed the first Death Star. But no they didn’t, which indicates that it WASN’T finished.
Plus do you seriously expect me to believe that they likely would’ve finished the Death Star when the first one took 19 years to build, and that one was significantly smaller than the second one???
Jedi Requirements
Don't give into the darkness:
Okay that's fair
A clear mind:
A little tough for me but okay
No family:
Hold up
you get to use magic though
@@rockyseverino9230 and laser sticks
Mental illness:
Wait a minute -
I see this as an absolute win
if you want a family simply leave the order. Not like that is forbidden or something.
My take away is this
Star wars is a war. No different from real life, there's no good guys or bad guys, there is only 2 sides fighting for control of something
@@rosealynn learning history i found that most people were colonisers to someone and the people usually fighting for their freedome are often elites that want to return to their ruling privileges. More often than not that fight for freedome ends in a worse situation than the one before ( see the soviet union & co). Even the Nazis, who were the closest we have to a truly evil regime, saw themselves as a victim and their fight to be righteous and to a degree they were right. The treaty of versailes, the occupation of the rhineland and parts of eastern germany, the marginalisation of germans in said regions and the threat that the soviet union posed to europe were all very real.
@Rosealynn even then, it can depend.
Like rebel groups in France during WW2. Officially, they were fighting to free France from German occupation.
But, after a bit, the allies stopped giving them weapons, because they weren't using them to fight, they were hoarding them to fight the other rebel groups for control once the Germans were kicked out.
@Rosealynn even then, it can depend.
Like rebel groups in France during WW2. Officially, they were fighting to free France from German occupation.
But, after a bit, the allies stopped giving them weapons, because they weren't using them to fight, they were hoarding them to fight the other rebel groups for control once the Germans were kicked out.
@@kharnthebetrayer8251why did you put that twice?
@@Thrush-flight probably Internet nbeing weird when I sent it, lol
I don’t know man..... sounds like Dark Side propaganda
Nice
Matt Pat is Sith, confirmed?
Goh
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I will not be brainwashed by matpats propaganda.
XD
(Republic) Anakin: was a slave with his mother, and is regularly being put in danger for the sake of gambling. His planet is run by crime syndicates. The republics dollar is so weak you couldn’t even use it to buy basic things. Has no real option off the planet or for a better life, except for the fact he is a Jedi.
(New Republic) Rey: spends her entire life saving up enough money to buy a single ticket off Jakku. Lives in a tent and eats bread almost exclusively. Has no public services, must know how to defend herself at all times, and must carry a weapon at all times. No real option off her planet, except that she is stumbled upon by a resistance fighter.
(Empire) Luke: Works on a farm with his family most of the time. Works part time in the city and is able to afford a speeder and, should he reach into his savings, a ticket off his planet whenever he needs. Organized crime is present on the planet, but isn’t nearly as omnipresent like with Anakin. Slavery is non existent in the average Tatooinian small business. (A solid improvement over Anakin) He has multiple options to get off the planet, such as saving up for a ticket and getting a job off planet, joining the Stormtrooper corps, joining or the Imperial Navy.
I don't want to be that person but its Rey instead of Ray
I'm surprised he didn't mention that, those are really good valid points.
Did the New Republic even own Jakku? They straight up let Kylo Ren's star destroyer hover over it and deploy troops lol.
@@nch2004 they ran the whole galaxy except for the unknown regions, where the first order was hiding out. They had a very off hands approach to running things. Basically each planet is on their own and can police themselves however they see fit, so long as they aren’t policing too hard, where the feds step in and shut it down. If you get a poorer planet (like 90% of planets outside the core worlds) they have too little resources to do anything or really have a government at all. The galactic navy was basically non-existent. The federal government was basically non-existent outside the core worlds. And even then, barely. My support for the empire is mostly a joke, but the new republic is actually the worst. Also the republic is basically imperialist.
Luke was actually brought there by Obi Wan, and yes, there was crime on Tatooine too, Jabba the Hutt ruled it. So they are not doing so well with their task, all that the Empire did was to replace one evil with another. Workers and engineers in the game of the last Jedi noted that during the Republic they were doing much better, keep in mind that the Empire / Republic had tens of millions of planets. The empire simply drove away the small bandits, and legalized slavery, began to cooperate with a major criminal sinicat. The empire is good only in management, but not in ensuring the lives of people and security. I'm not saying that they used the xenos as slaves.
In general, democracy in the Far Galaxy is rather primitive
Matpat: Let's not take the Empire's promises at face value.
Also Matpat: *Takes the Empire's promises at face value*
Tarkin: I have never done anything wrong in my entire life.
Matpat: I know this, and I love you.
@@SalumarLP accurate 😂
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@@SalumarLP *TRUE!*
In the Obi Wan series, you also see this regular salt-of-the-earth driver talk about how the people around there are good empire-loving folk, meaning he saw the empire as a good stabilizing force, not an oppressive threat.
“Sure, him and his mother live in slavery but they’re getting along just fine” -MatPat 2020
what a tone deaf thing for em to say
LOL
Having a non-violent slave master is better than living in an area where a war lord might murder you and your family at any moment
MatPat: But what if space Nazis we’re ACTUALLY the good guys?!?!
I hope you don't defend prison slavery then. Which is baked into the constitution and why the prison industrial complex exists.
Id like to point out that Luke used his "you'll get angry and use your magic" trick not to convince them to join the war, but to stop the Ewoks from killing them all. The Ewoks joined after C3PO did his dramatic reenactment of the events so far.
Was thinking the same myself. This video feels too much like Matt was wanting to make a contrarian video just to get the views.
@@Mike_Dubo Because it is
@@cryfly1 my favorite is always the "Mario is a Sociopath" Game Theory where he uses a passage from the American instructions manual saying how Bowser turned the people of the Mushroom Kingdom into blocks to say Mario's a mass murderer for smashing all the blocks you do in the game, thing is the very next paragraph in the manual not only says that breaking the blocks frees them but that the powerups you get are "gifts from the grateful mushroom people"
@@cryfly1 dude stfu atliest he has a unlike you . Plus hes human hes made so many theiries he has to go trought so many things like movies comics , games. Hes allowed to make mistakes
@@cryfly1 Well disney being evil isn’t necessarily an unpopular opinion
Yea guys, the empire helped make Alderaan's unemployment rate to 0%.
Though the flip side of that is that Alderaan's employment rate is also 0%
the empire also prevented over-population on Alderaan.
@@tbnrrenagade9507 also solved world hunger
@@ninjaneb1 can’t have unemployment if you don’t have a population
@@emperorvader283 same goes for the original comment, you can't have employment either if you don't have a population
I think a vital thing he forgot to mention with the Jedi that if you didnt get picked as someones padawan they forced you into child labor camps to produce food for the Jedi temple Obi-Wan was forced into one of those camps for a little while till Qui-Gon decided to train him so even the Jedi you know the good guys enforced slave labor/child labor instead of just sending the kids back to the families they stole them from which reminds me of my favorite quote involving the Jedi and Sith which I cant remember where its from "The Sith are just as bad as the Jedi they are just honest about it"
The food was for charity, not the Temple, but otherwise basically yes.
The Jedi never did condone or stop slavery because they actively practiced it
Who do you trust more? Wolves with bared fangs? Or Wolves in sheep's clothing?
5:28 You guys put First Order Stormtroopers in the background instead of Imperial Stormtroopers.
Just a mistake or... something more? 🤔
Oh God conspiracy theories on a channel about conspiracy theories... conspiracyception
@@Brandon-dy8us LOL 😂
*_[hmm]_*
He must not be a true Star Wars fan(I can’t believe I have to say this, but this is a joke)
Hello there (;
Star Wars: "Matpat, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!"
Matpat: "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
Well then you are lost.
Oh well, Hello there.
All are evil
"The Empire may be autocratic and heavy-handed in enforcing the law, but they keep the transports running."
-Some dude in the Empire.
Chad dude
I wonder how many even get that reference.
@@rhov-anion ;)
And keeps them running on time too!
And the economy going. Imperial Credits are good in Tatooine.
Matpat: Yo dudes the empire is pretty chill maybe you should join it or something
"Alderaan wasn't real tarkinism" the bad guys would never lie.
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@@RoXas4878 wow that really changed my mind thank you RoXas4878
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@@dislikethismusicvideoleave2238 this some trick to get your video more ad cents?
Alderaan is Aldergone
Because it was alderwrong
So now it’s alderdone
“It was pretty good for the farmers”
Luke’s aunt and uncle:
@Deadpoppin well, until they were burned to a crisp
They were good for *human* farmers. They were real bad for non humans.
*there's a theory
Auto correct
@@portobellomushroom5764 that was by boba Fett so technically not the empire
@@benshorr7980 that was by the Empire.
The Empire improves every land it touches: Every British colonial officer ever....
True
well it kind of did in a way. It brought modern medicine, education and infrastructure and philosophy. A lot of the stories of Aztecs being murderous war culture that eat people, which for many years people did not believe. Now archeologist and historians have proven a lot of the tall tails to be true. Like a giant wall build only out of human skulls that the Spaniards tore down. They found reminds of it under the grounds because it wasn't just extremely tall but went deep into the earth. The Spaniards could not have defeated the Aztec with out the help of the people they oppressed and ruled over as second class citizens and lambs for sacrifice. But of course this makes people who have the mind of a child angry because they think the world actually works like a star wars movie or a harry potter film, so this means one is saying that empire rule is correct. When nothing in life is so simple as a child's story.
@@amelist8123 Right, right, and that _totally_ justifies the Conquistadors slaughtering every last one of them for gold
Get over yourself
Heroes one and all
@@WickedKnightAlbel Ummm... No. I don't think Ame was justifying it. I got the impression that he/she was asking "Which evil do you find least egregious?" slash "Are you a victim of your own child-like idealism?"
P.S. Sorry for all the edits... I just realised that I have no idea whether Ame is a bloke/sheila/personal pronoun.
I think the reasoning behind the sequels failiure with the empire is bc they acted like the main characters were still rebels when they weren’t
"The Weimar Republic was a failure!"
- MatPat probably, circa 1939
"Ooooh!"
That’s a little redundant. Circa means approximately
True though
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They are referring to MatPat, as he would probably have said had he been in Germany circa 1939.
@@rickgreenberg1872 Oh wow- I think I used to know what that meant but the endless amount of "fake history' memes since then has made me forget lmao
Thanks for the refresher
A Young Child being whisked away from his parents to a place where a values are forcefully pressed upon and emotional needs are suppressed.
Me: Sounds like school to me
School = The empire in disguise
Holy shi-
Another reason why we need to fix the education system!
@@albertjackinson how? Won’t ever happen until another half century
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 A lot of work will need to be done; that's for sure. I'll think on how implementing them can be done. There are a lot of ideas on how to improve the system, but implementing them will be a challenge.
Well, there was a reason why the Empire was so popular in its early days; it really *did* follow up on its promises to root out the corruption and incompetence of the old Republic. And, quite frankly, I myself do genuinly believe the Empire could have had the potential to be a great force for good... IF only its sole autocrat wasn't evil incarnate and hadn't designed the Empire to be unable to function without him and his tyranny.
Not to mention the New Republic was sooooo utterly incompetent the sequels happened. They were literally to complacent and indecisive to stop the blatant rise of the more evil First Order.
Basically, thrawn would’ve been a better emperor
An actually non heated debate about the empirw and the republics?? Now this is something i can dig in!
Sequels? There’s no such thing as sequels!
I SAID THERES NO SEQUELS!
I'm proud of this comment section and everyone above this comment
Interesting plot point if they release a sequel to Squadrons.... An Imperial pilot and senator trying to renew the militaristic tenets of the Empire...
would be curious to see your perspective on this after you see what life under the Empire was like in "Andor".
Andor is just Jedi propaganda
@@charlierock000 as a former actor on andor that escaped, yes, andor is indeed propaganda
Honestly I think most of the empire is still better than the republic
@@InsideYourClosetRn69agreed being a imperial storm trooper it is rebel propaganda
Andor must be the propagandistic answer of the new republic to videos such as this.
When i was a kid in the 90s , i didnt understand English, and i thought the Empire was the good guys.
Woah must have been a completely different movie
@@shmonder5040 The rebels act like terrorists... And the empire is, just trying to keep the peace....
lol i really feel what your saying man
@Billy Oak Without Palpatine the CIS would have been based as.
@Billy Oak....
Matt Patt: "The outer systems got to keep their resources"
Palpatine: *Builds multiple death stars with slave labor and pillaged resources*
Didn't someone once do a video about the resources that went into building a death Star? I'm sure they mentioned that basic taxation for infrastructure couldn't have built it without some planets getting severely fucked over. ..
They said that it was private contractors. Because I’m sure building something like that would pay you well and with an entire galaxy’s worth of people and wealth. It doesn’t seem that hard
"Death star" is a derogatory slang from the Rebel propaganda. It's officially called a piece globe, And it shoots pure safety and security For the Galaxy
Matpat: also quotes EGTW, which quite literally goes over how the Empire fucks over the rim
Matpat: Also quotes lost stars which does the same
Matpat: quotes Tarkin which does the same as well
@@sebastianjoseph9628 deathstar wasnt built with contractors lmao. Wookie slaves were definitely used and certainly others.
The empire using slaves is a major part
Matpat: the mainstream movies never talk about how the empire rules
Tarkin in episode 4: the senate (democracy) has been disbanded, fear will keep them in line, and to make them even more scared to disobey us let’s destroy a planet
Goh
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Sourcing Tarkin Doctrine from outside canon is also faulty logic - canon Tarkin is committed to the Death Star (a centralised project) rather than the dispersed use of resources that Krennic advocates for with his TIE defenders
I saw this video called “Th Empire Was Right” and the guy showed the clip telling us that the senate was disbanded and power would be given to the local governor’s and that Alderaan was a suspected rebel planet and only had a population of about 2 million, which Obi Wan Kenobi confirmed.
@@reubenm.d.5218 close, but not quite... Krennic also wanted ONLY the Death Star, no other projects. Tarkin wanted to steal the Death Star project credit/command from him (which he proceeds to do in Rouge One) and so, on the surface at least, supports other projects. Thrawn was the one who thought that the Death Star was a stupid idea and was pushing for the TIE Defenders
@@JoeBjork Thanks for the clarification. You are, of course, correct
Big brain Vader don't exits, he can't rule you or bring order to galaxy.
Big brain Vader that can rule you and bring order to the galaxy:
"Fear will keep the local systems in line."
- your friendly, freedom loving commander of the -death- 'love & friendship' star
Well it did so he isn't wrong there.
So you're saying they should have called it the Health Star?
@Robert Allan It blowing up wasn't apart of the plan though.
Don't quote me on this, but IIRC that line that Tarkin stated that you quoted was after Tarkin had lost his son and become far more cruel in keeping order than he was before the death of his son.
@Robert Allan Hmm, I guess I'll have to explain more. Before the death of his son, he was actually well liked and didn't really beat down civilians through fear. I said what I did to state that Tarkin went off the deep end after his son died. Does it justify anything? Of fucking course not. It's rather hard to justify suppressing the people through sheer power without very good reasons (which is nigh impossible). Just stating the cause for why he did what he did.
MatPat next week: The Illuminati is a necessary evil.
@Don Shrek You know it.
I mean, what did the Illuminati ever do to you
Hey guys pack that is a A dictator sympathizer
@@pestylucas7406 how about putting their symbols in movies and games of all kinds? you could legit pull together a mega theory of the movies that are connected by that symbolism. For a secret society, their symbolism has gotten so popular movies now add it in on purpose as a cheap trick to rake in viewers.
@Ba Doai no.
“The empire improves every system it touches”
All the Wookies who were forced into salt mines on Kessel: Am I a joke to you?
The Empire was pro human and discriminated aliens.
Humanity still hasn't even ended racism, in even our highly sophisticated, peaceful and undisputably awesome society so I think you may be putting the bar a little high here.
_Wookies are as slave-able big foot kind of animal beings you can get after all. At least, there was no racism within the human species in Star Wars. Something not all sentient beings managed to do in the expanded universe._
Well, reports of savages attacking peaceful prospectors dropped on kashykk(cant be bothered to check the spelling) after the nasty hairy things were deported. Perfect for Czerka corp to go in and utilize the planet's neglected resources and turn the planet into a productive member of the galactic community. Seems like improvement to me.
Only if your human
@Hayden Baker I assure you the wookies and Twileks are getting along just fine.
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I watched the prequel for the first time a couple days ago and I couldn’t stop thinking about how anakin and emperor Palpatine we’re a textbook pairing of NPD (narcissistic personality disorder, Palpatine) and BPD. It’s cool to hear that someone officially came out and gave a anakin the bpd diagnosis because I was like this is a near textbook example of how narcissistic grooming and bpd often coincide. I wonder if the author did it on purpose or accident. Had Palpatine not groomed anakin since the day he met him, he would have turned out a lot different. As well as if the Jedi hadn’t constantly trivialized anakins emotions and experiences, they really Villianized him for existing which put him in a position that allowed the empower to swoop in. It was so hard to watch because bpd is such a stigmatized and misunderstood disorder, it’s hard to look at someone like anakin and recognize that he was really a victim since childhood as well as a villain.
One major thing Matt Pat didnt touch on was Luke's call to adventure was the empire vaporizing his aunt and uncle
Ben Kenobi would have definitely been extreme enough to murder Owen and Beru in order to deceive Luke into becoming his agent by destroying his family and the Jawas. the Lars Homestead looks as though it was demolished by anarchists most likely Jabba’s thugs who got mind tricked into believing the farmers never paid their water tribute
@@Charlie94781 That is just baseless speculation though
@@aidanithink4596 So you're saying it's just a theory?
They had evidence that the droids could be there
The Empire is extremely cruel and oppressive, but most often only to those suspected of rebellion
@@EGRJ A game theory
“You’re sounding like a seperatist”
@@dislikethismusicvideoleave3421 I mean, it is. But why not comment something more meaningful?
It's Treason then
If you discount their military actions, the Speratists were better than the Republic.
Plot twist: all yootoobers are cyclons
@@docrofreborn7497 it's a bot spam
I've just finish the game "Star Wars Jedi : Fallen Order", in it they says that all the resources are taken to the core world and the outer worlds are mine without restreint. they even "relocate" indigenous species if they are in the way ...
On the bright side their relocating and not murdering them unless....... that was sarcasm
btw, I love Jedi Fallen Order :) Did you know there's gonna be a sequel?
Also there’s the possibility of the old Republic having the idea for the death star and wanting to create it. In the prequels we see chancellor palpatine hastily close blueprints of something that resembles the death star as anakin walks in.
I take it you missed the part then, where the Geonosians gave Dooku the plans for the Death Star in the movie before that? Yeah, Palpatine definitely ordered those plans to be made for him. They weren't some secret Republic superweapon.
@@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel ohhhh
Forgot about that, I haven’t watched the movies in a few years
Outer Rim worlds: “This is outrageous it’s unfair!”
Core worlds: “Take a seat!”
Idk if ur comment is a lol or a sad thing to cry about
In other words, the galaxy needed an Empire that WASN'T ruled by Sith.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe this was thrawns goal in legends, a government without the influence of the sith, but with a strong chain of command
Which, ironically, is pretty much what the Empire became in Legends a few years after Thrawn.
Or Jedi for that matter.
@@natoneill3278 yeah in the books even admitted that he was trying to rise to high enough rank that when Palpatine died he would be able to influence who the next leader would be. (He didn't understand that since Palpatine was a Sith Lord he wouldn't die of old age)
idk, The Sith were kinda right about a lot of stuff in the end, lol....
But yeah, maybe not having those in general corrupted by the use of The Force in charge maybe isn't sucha bad idea but to have it restricted to One or Two people who understand power? yee
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Now back to work! Or your children starve tonight.
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You know anle raped kid devolved that more then kid that are not
I am emperor palpatine and I approve this message
MatPat at the end: Ok guys thanks for watching this video, now before you go let me tell you about today's sponsor Sheev's Soda.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point. Matpat isn't saying the Empire were the good guys, or that the slavery, racism, or Alderann were acceptable in any way. He's saying that out of the Republic, Empire, New Republic, and First Order, the Empire did the best job at governing, maintaining peace, and giving the average person a decent life. Especially considering most of the Empire's downsides were the same, if not worse, in the other major governments. The Republic and New Republic also had incredible problems with slavery and discrimination. And without Palpatine doing Sith Lord things Alderann probably wouldn't have happened. Overall, the Empire was best of the major governments, and would have been a lot better if Palpatine wasn't running it.
I can see your point. Can you tell me how things went down in legends? Asking because the direction disney went, and where the original expanded universe went, have two very different outcomes.
I do know in legends the sith do somewhat come back, whether or not you consider them true sith or an offshoot is up to the viewer. There is a war with a species from outside the known star wars galaxy. And if I remember correctly the empire is still around after palpatine's death, but it became a power struggle leading to dozens of imperial remnant factions.
You should do a theory on how much the imperial credits are worth.
That’s be nice
Oooh... I'd totally watch that!
Yus
People spread make this
ya like everyone knows the jedi are bad
MatPat: The empire was not bad.
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So this is how Democratic conversation ends, with thunderous outrage.
I'm kinda scared to press the link i don't want to get rick rolled
Matpat should have started and stuck with food theory because he doesn't sound like a madman in a tinfoil hat in food theory
@@jayvhoncalma3458 so pointing out that an organization that wanted order may have been right on some things and the group that wants to overthrow the system may have caused a mess is considered tin foil hat stuff? Would it have pleased you if he said that everyone should get free stuff and not have to work?
“I’m not the only one applying real-world diagnostics to works of fiction.” Been sitting on that one for a while, eh, MatPat? Tell us how you really feel.
Like a proud fascist as everyone should
@@craiven3527 your joking right?
What does fascism have to do with it?
But that’s just a Theory
A History Movie Theory
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I think pre disney cannon displayed this a lot more. They clearly discuss the destruction of the deathstar in low orbit killed the ewoks gave them all cancer except 2 stuffed and outside the senate. The nogiri have almost identical situation and Vader legit saves as much if the species as humanly possible
The latest episode also proved the British colonized the entire universe. Not only does nearly every character speak English, one of the Mandalorians said to "put on some tea"
Fun Fact: UK isn't the country that consumes to most tea it is Turkey
I guess the sun really does never set on the British Empire
Its galactic basic and other languages are commonly spoken in the Mandalorian.
Actually whenever you hear somebody speaking English in Star Wars they are actually speaking a language called Galactic Basic. Galactic Basic is the Lingua Franca of the Galaxy, that's why so many people speak it. You never see any English writing in Star Wars either, just a pattern of symbols called aurebesh that serves as the written language for Galactic Basic.
@@darthcactusthewise4238 my question is, why are they called x-wings?
This whole theory is basically “Ah yes, young man, winning was easy, governing is much harder.”
"Which is why I need to keep slaves, hamilton, I need to keep them."
found a fellow hamiltonian
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What is with all these linked comments?
@Btari k. maulana
Bots.
"You see, boys. Everybody thinks they want freedom, but what they really want is order. When they realize that, they're gonna welcome us back with open arms. To the Empire!" - Valin Hess, the Mandalorian
Reminds me of Somalia, after fighting off the government, all the factions began opposing and killing each others for control, the rebellion is no different from this.
Matpat: Now I don't want to take the word of this guy, he's clearly biased
Also Matpat: completely believes the word of the literal Grand Moff of the Empire, one of the most powerful people in the galaxy
why lie about how the world was before the empire was? if anything at least that part would be good evidence that the place was complete chaos.
@@retosius7962 Plus it was shown in the Clone Wars that he like Anakin used to be a Republic man, until the system also seemed to force his hand in war to make moves he disagreed on and that in his opinion risked more lives. Anakin and him saw eye to eye in this regard during the war. Something about the way the senate directed them just didnt sit right with him. He is a witness of both systems.
@@levrawonline IIRC The Tarkin Doctrine/his extreme views came about after Palpatine manipulated events to have a rebelling system event cause the death of his son, which drove Tarkin into a more extreme stance on order and crushing rebellions through making them scared.
Lo l
^_^
@@retosius7962 > why lie about how the world was before the empire was?
Cann you not comprehend why he would lie?
Matpat: Of course, we cant just take his word for it, he's clearly with the Empire.
Also Matpat: Take Tarkin's propaganda, I mean word, for it
Is this not the same doctrine that said the empire should keep everyone in line by using sooo much unnecessary violence that people are too afraid to rebel?
I love how he also makes sure to talk about extended cannon, but then completely ignores the Rebels cartoon which shows a lot of the issues that normal citizens faced under empire rule on an outer rim planet
@@NPCMimic yup
I think his point is that Tarkin speaks about the goals of the Empire. That in conjunction with the testimony given by The Client makes it more believable, if multiple people say the same thing then that aids in its plausibility
@@NPCMimic or how the Empire enslaved entire non-human races like the Wookies.
Matpat: "when talking to Luke, Vader didn't say anything about power or control"
Vader: "Together we can RULE THE GALAXY AS FATHER AND SON!"
Unless you look at starkiller
What Luke’s training would have had to been
@@ItsRileyYT what?
@@Davenzoid look it up
@@ItsRileyYT naw, having trouble understanding your comment
@@Davenzoid it’s deep Star Wars lore
You wouldn’t understand
I took transformers and explained a similar take to this with the autobots and decpeticons, I really like flipping the script sometimes and showing just how evil the good side really is to show there’s more than meets the eye to a side
You don't even have to flip the narrative, look at the old IDW continuity. Many Cybertronians were constructed cold into a predetermined class system guaranteeing them zero rights and no hope. In that continuity Megatron starts the Decpeticons as a philosophical opposition movements towards the predetermined functionalist perspective.
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Doesn't help than a certain scientist who time travelled by accident ensured history repeated itself in such a way
Matpat: The Empire didn't practice Cultural Imperialism
Moff Gideon and the great Purge: Imma bout to end this whole man's courier.
@Rohan Dahiya Pluta I completly agree with you, Rohan :)
@Rohan Dahiya Pluta and it could be called I don’t know Star Wars explained
@Rohan Dahiya Pluta I know it was a joke about how simple the name is
Matpat: The ewoks and the empire coexisted in peace!
*battlefront 2 ewok hunt flashbacks*
Underrated comment. Only true BF2 fans will understand.
The old PSP ones?
Holly crap that's exactly what I thought of.
I guess Matpat is referring to their relationship before the battle of Endor. I think Ewok hunt is after the battle.
That was just because the Ewoks attacked thanks to Luke.
"Only a Sith theorizes in absolutes. I will do what I must." _draws lightsaber_
Gotta wonder how it feels to be part of a thousands strong group that keeps getting curbstomped across the millennia by only two dudes.
"You will try"
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
-A Jedi dealing in absolutes
@@dontmisunderstand6041 only now have i realized that that statement was an absolute
@@craftysmithkeith3653 Have you heard of the tragedy of Darth Kenobi the feeble? He could save himself from death, but not those around him.. not even his most favored apprentice.
Youre actually wrong at one thing - "Tarkin" novel is canon, Tarkins invisible ship appears later in comics where it serves First Order (and is destroyed sadly)
When I started reading the Legends books I like the Sith better than Jedi.
same all though they had a far higher failure rate a true sith DOES NOT FALL TO THE DARK SIDE
The Sith is always is the better side
Yes
I hate how he ignores the slavery of the wookies in this video, the slavery under the republic or new republic was not *FOR THE REPUBLIC* it was more or less out of their control
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The Alderaan disaster was highly controversial in the empire and most people in high ranks highly disliked what Tarkin did
they still did it
@@Korbsio that's what usually the case when people say they didn't like it _after_ the fact :P
Your comment further proves what matpat is saying. As a govering body the empire cared about the people of the galaxy.
@@FormulaTurismo You do know they committed multiple geniocides, were racist to every species that wasn’t human and established slavery, right?
@@waterloo32594 are u joking or...?
Honestly there doesn’t seem to be any bad side to joining the Dark side
Except being hunted by jedi and other sith.
Except the dark side of the force literally eating up your body...
And the fact that the “heroes” always win
At least not anything some botox and serious R&R can’t fix.
THATS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK.
One of your leading sources for why the empire isn't all that bad is Grand Moff Tarkin, on of the most powerful members of the empire
and the leading sources for why the empire is bad come from rebels, whats your point?
Matpat: "At least the Empire was more competent, that means they are the best option."
Bahahahahaha hahaha Boy the Death Star was such a joke ain’t it?
Competent at their agenda.
Issue is their agenda
The New Republic was bad (in the movies) because of bad writing.
Gyes
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"I have reason to believe matpatt is a sith lord"
A Sith Lord?!
A Sith Lawd?
@@Jamie_Dodger97 yes a sith lawd
Then our worst fears have been realized :O
But what about the droid attacks on the wookies!?
You forgot to mention that the system only worked as long Palpatine was in power. When he died, the whole empire crumbled. This system only worked as long the guy in charge did more or less the right thing towards prosperity and did not surprisingly die somewhere on a fake moon.
**Palpatine's body flops down from a tube**
Janitor: _"What are those guys doing up there?"_
I think the power would be passed down to darth vader and then he'll pick someone out (possibly even train them into that mindset)
Same thing went for the New Republic. The moment Mon Mothma stepped down, it was on its way to its death. In both Legends and Disney canon, the New Republic was a failed experiment.
Yeah but Vader could have ruled the galaxy just fine if he wasn't abruptly interrupted by his son.
True... but Palpatine clearly had plans to be immortal in some way (as seen by the questionable sequel trilogy at least).
the way i see it, the Empire reduced world hunger, no jobs, crime rates, all that when they got rid of aldeeran
I think another thing to consider is the show “StarWars Rebels” it goes into deeper detail of the oppression and corruption of the Imperial government, but that comes down to morals so then we have to ask what are moral and what do we base morals on? What about the Jedi’s morals of no emotion but protect and keep peace? Finally is it even possible to govern an entire glalaxy before something becomes too corrupt?
Star Wars Rebels is an instant checkmate for the Galactic Empire. That show depicts the Empire as cartoonishly evil.
It's based on the original trilogy and prequels
@@SailorDoggo That doesn't help his case and he used sources outside of those two anyway. Mattpat is doing something we in the scientific field like to call "cherry-picking."
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Even without the corruption problem, just the bureaucratic and logistical issues with a nation of that scale probably make which one was better a moot point; NO nation that large can function well. Realistically, even a nation of an entire single planet cant function very well, much less an entire star system.
This reminds me actually of the German government - starting out with the Kaiser's autocracy (the Empire), then the Weimar Republic (the Republic) followed by the Nazis (the First Order).
YES! then whatever comes after the first order would more than likely be cold war germany
I mean, that's kinda what it was based on
Clever :)
I mean stormtroopers
@@Sinaeb Yes, Stormtroopers inheriting their name from the real life Stormtroopers (SA) is just one of the direct comparisons that exist within the Star Wars universe and 20th Century Germany
Sounds to me like matpat is turning to the dark side
maybe he could join it or something
Maybe it was never the dark side
TIME TO REMOVE MATPAT FROM LIFE EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO EVDINCE BESIDES SIMPATHY OF THE DARKSIDE
Im gonna join them too
Yes.
Under the Old Republic, Naboo, which was a system so important that it had a Senate seat, only had a small starfighter corps and some royal militia as their defense force, and they had to pay for that out of pocket. Under the Empire, Tatooine, a planet so insignificant that Luke describes it as the planet that's the farthest from the center of civilization, had two Imperial-Class Star Destroyers and a large Stormtrooper garrison protecting it. Under the Republic, a crime lord like Jabba the Hutt practically ruled like a sovereign over Tatooine, but under the Empire, he can't walk around outside without a group of bounty hunters protecting him, lest the local Imperials decide to pick him up for "questioning". It goes to show the difference of how secure you can be under the Empire, as opposed to the Old Republic.
THIS. 100%. The Empire - the legitimate government of the wider galaxy - unlike its predecessor does not abandon its People. It establishes the rule of law without exception no matter where you live. The people of the Outer Rim now have free trade, the rule of law enforced by the Imperial Military, the Imperial Academies, an Imperial policing presence that means the criminal and the corrupt can no longer prey on the People. The gangsters can no longer operate with impunity. Slavery is no longer practised brazenly on Tatooine. The Imperials also establish a Sound galactic currency (the Imperial Credit) that is universally accepted currency galaxy wide. No doubt backed by a set number of Twilek females for good measure.
@@darkjediknight2923 Exactly. The leaders of the Rebels are the same senatorial aristocrats who had little problem with corporate armies and Outer Rim slavery, and they were mad because the Emperor took away their toys.
@@HolyknightVader999 Very true. With the exception of the Organas (Bail, Leia etc) who had some principles and epitomised the honour and grace of the Jedi Order, those other "Rebel" Senators are not even aristocrats of noble character, but rather a bunch of anarchists, or self serving vested interest groups who care little for the galactic populace. They were perfectly content for years to allow slavery to be practised in the open ("The Republic doesn't exist out here. We must fend for ourselves"), for the gangsters to rein free and act brazenly in the open, for levels of corruption beyond imagination, to live lavish lifestyles and hold endless debates going nowhere whilst the galaxy suffered, and indeed for an innocent Naboo system to be subject to an occupation by a Corporation! A corporation that they had no problem with holding a seat in the august Senate itself despite not being an elected representative of a galactic world! The Emperor was not a perfect being by any means - he might have brought his personal issues with the Jedi into the policy agenda too much, he might have had a soft spot for certain Moffs and big statement policies versus the Vader style meritocracy, but one thing you have to give him is he stood up to corruption, he served the People as their legitimate leader and he made it a top priority to bring Galactic Law to the entire galaxy without exception.
The empire: Kills and enslaves multiple races
Matpat: I’m gonna pretend I didn’t see that
Howdy Toph
Jesus, looks like Google translator overdosed
The republic had slavery too and killed many innocent people using jedi
@@ethanmcfarland8240 hello there the US of A
What? Wookies? They helped yoda escape which was a crime against the empire. What other races were enslaved?
Based off the books, the Empire didn't leave the Ewoks alone. The Empire destroyed several Ewok villages on initial arrival because the were "pests in the way."
Sounds a lot like the British Empire...
@@invidofinp1828 Or any other Empire? Why mention The British? Oh. It's because they were the best. Thanks!
Long live the empire
How imperialists. Sounds familiar...
I think that he was talking about the movies.
That moment when you’re more interested in Star Wars politics than real world politics
Reminds me of how I'm more familiar with World of Warcraft maps than I am with real world maps lol.
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To be fair, a lot of real world "politics" can be boiled down to name calling and finding out who can yell louder. So I can see why.
The amount of jobs the Death Star made alone, is just another point the empire was pretty 😎
Oh boy this video has alot of problem
1. The empire enslaved most alien people like wookiees, ugnaughts ext
2. outer rim planets where worst with the empire like illum jedha (heck mandolore captured 3X) ext.
3. The tarkin book is canon and that book is write the a very bias perspective
4. The empire enlisted people (like biggs and luke wanted), they did not force people to join.
5. Yes if you are in the core worlds or the mid rim your planet was mostly safe but still and the empire did better then the new republic.
6. The republic political system was corrupted from when we first saw it with valorim but labeling mon mothma as selfish was another one of tarkin's bias
7. The new republic failed because it was demilitarized ( that why we see droids fight off bounty hunters in mando ep 6)
Also starkiller base was started by the empire not the first order by hollowing out illum
Lothal is a prime example, from the first second we see the empire there harassing a citizen and they took away he fruit as well has taxed many of the business. By time of season 4 we see that they turn 90% of the southern hemisphere into mine areas for thrawn tie project just to get scrapped. After the rebels win lothal is a way better place and we hear former imps talking about how beautiful it is. Matpat I agree with your video but a lot of your arguments are very flawed to get a better scope read Bloodline or lost stars
Farming and using animals for labor isn't slavery. Wookies weren't sentient, nor could they speak.
@@fearthedeerreckmon8741 you know human are animals right?!!?! And wookies are sentient they have a language and culture like most alien in star wars.
@Flekk Bone Gnawer Not to mention there were Wookie Jedi as well.
''Sure they live in slavery, but they are getting by.''- film theorist
You sum it up perfectly
Dude, he was referring to Shmi and Anakin, not all slaves as a whole, and yes, Shmi and Anakin were getting by fine. They were treated really well. ( not to say slavery's okay )
You do realize that slavery also existed under the Old Republic, right? Anakin was literally a slave child and the Jedi who came only took interest in him because he had potential to suit their cause.
The Republic also failed in negotiation. They completely refused to stand up definitively for Naboo until Palpatine rallied them to do it (Palpatine was behind the conflict, but it still shows the chaos of the Republic).
When we see things under the Empire, things look a lot more orderly. Sure, murder and authority is perpetuated, but most people are left to their lives. Their are still laws. War is nonexistent. And most people never see a bit of the Empire’s terrible rule, because the Empire only showed up when trouble started or if they wanted something. MatPat isn’t too far off here
Yeah and?
@@Doomzdeh when do we see things under the empire? So many fan say this but in the films we almost never see what typical life is like under the empire. The closest is cloud city and Lando remarks that its great because they have avoided the empire. Star wars rarely shows the life of the citizens. The most we see come from books like lost stars, the ahsoka book and the Erso books none of which shows life under the empire as much better than under the republic. Same in the rebels show. Is there a bunch of stuff in legends the talk about how great life was ?
"I encounter civilians like you all the time. You belive the empire continually plotting to do harm. Let me tell you, your view of the empire is far to dramatic. The empire is a government. It keeps billions of beings fed and clothed. Day after day, year after year, on thousands of worlds, people live their lives under imperial rule without seeing a stormtrooper or a TIE fighter scream overhead". thrawn
Thrawn had morals but that sounds a lot like the CCP. My problem with this video is relying on what the Empire says, when we know authorities rarely tell us the whole truth. GT doesn't look at books but the books really deep dive into what they did
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 you literally only have to look at palpatine really, he was planning to defend against the yuuzhan vong by making the powerful empire, but purposefully wasted potential help he could have had for his own amusement and even during the clone wars he caused extra suffering for no reason
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 Because the books are not canon?
Disney does not take the books in consideration and this episode was made based on Disney's serie of the mandalorian that counts.
Also GT does look at the books when they need or they are relevant for the episode...
@@kintsuki99 speaking facts, i mean for reference just look at his FNAF theories
"Fear will keep the local systems in line: Fear of this battle station."
All the movies never focused on those details, makes alot of sense
Let's just say that the Republic, the Empire, and the New Republic were all shitty in their own unique ways.
100%...Except when they committed the same crime of Mass Slavery (Clones) and Genocide against whole races (Sith Purebloods). Sometimes it was made pretty clear that the Old Republic was the Pre Empire. Other times they're shittier in different ways that's hard to effectively compare the three.
What were your thoughts on Season 2 Episode 7?
@@jihokim788 Aghhhhhhhh that fucking arc
Let's not forget the Jedi of the Old Republic sent younglings into a war as child shoulders to die.
So MattPatt, you're gonna skim over the fact the Empire had preferential treatment to humans and enslaved alien species considered primitive like the Wookies? Can't skip the details of Solo if you'll judge the empire respectively. Additionally you'd have to look at their criminal corrections methods which the new republic is at least shown to have a little better treatment then the Empire in the Mandalorian.
The point always was that the Jedi order, while well intentioned, was heavily flawed and made grave errors of judgement.
Especially while trying to prevent others from making those same errors.
It’s just because “THE JEDI ARE EVIL” is a better clickbait title than “The Jedi are flawed”
They used to be better before they ended up melded into the Republic
And had to act as their Generals
No not really in the old republic if you haven't read Lore about the sith genocide the jedi commited genocide on the sith species all because "they have dark side in them" sure they started a war but a real morally good person wouldn't try to genocide an entire species just because "they caused a war"
@@quinnholloway5400 read my previous statement
Just like now in germany.
Fanatic in don t forget what is going on in there 30th and 40th but now try to make a new war with the entire eastern world....
Matpat: life under the empire wasn’t that bad for the average citizen,
Anyone who’s seen rebels: are you sure about that?
I actually like rebels :) I love Kanan's character.
Yes, for normal citizens it wasn't bad
It wasn't that bad for the Core Worlds, as you got closer to the Outer Rim things take a huge turn for the worse.
Was really dependent on the Moff, the outer rim Moffs were not that good. In the outer rim you have the choice of getting beat up a bit by the Empire or getting slaughtered by criminals. For the inner rim, you had the choice of a good life under the Empire or getting slaughtered by criminals.
@@uhsund unless of course you were an alien, in which case they have special labour camps for your kind and in some cases the full arsenal of an Imperial Star Destroyer
there was alot of scenes showing Tatooine, but Tatooine is not under the empire, its under Hutt space, and a bunch of other planets to go with it. plus the reason why the jedi didnt want anakin to be trained is because he was too old and already had attachments to his mother(which is why they take them as young children so they dont remember where they came from) and made friends with padme. the jedi have these rules because the dark side calls on negative emotions. which is why anakin turned to the darkside, because his mother was dead and he wanted to protect padme from dying as well. the jedi do it to grow the order to bring balance to the force.