Film Theory: Star Wars, Why don't Force Ghosts do EVERYTHING?
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Star Wars has a LOT of ever shifting lore. One piece that has stayed and evolved since the original trilogy is the Force Ghost. You know, the blue filter versions of all your favorite dead Jedi that pop up to appease the fans - I mean, give sage advice. It's true, when we look at Force Ghosts throughout the franchise, they seem mostly useless. Until we get to the newest trilogy, where they are shooting lightning and lifting giant ships out of the ocean. What?! If these Force Ghosts are so powerful and able to interact with the real world, why do they not help out with all the crazy stuff going down? That's what I aim to answer today!
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"Obi Wans force ghost is also in a bit of a middle ground."
No...He has the high ground
You underestimate my power!!
dont do it aniken!
Ahhhh ahh
" I don't like sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere"
Take my upvote
“Rey who”
*”Rey’d shadow legends”*
The tatooine woman: oh f*** I’m outta here
The new just when you think your safe ad pisses me off
*furiously double taps*
No no more please its its everywhere xD
@@DeathByHotcakes no he is the senate
*"Production mistake, or critical lore detail?!"*
"I think we all know what it really is!"
"And I think we all know what I'm gonna pretend that it is."
- Every Star Wars Fan ever (including me)
yup summed it up perfectly
Mistake?
He also sits on a log. It's definitely intentional that ghosts always could interact with the physical world.
Disney: Write this down, write this down!!!
@Hara Isbara There is a rumor they are going to make Sequel trilogy non canon.
My biggest issue with Force Ghosts is that it went from a hard-to-achieve higher state of the Force to "All Force sensitives just become a Force Ghost when they die"
It began with "all force sensitives just become a force ghost when they die" and then changed
i mean sith can't become force ghosts
@@loydtheliar5659 it's never said they can't, but see how even Yoda didn't know it was possible and had to undergo the training in order to become a force ghost, so I would say if a sith knew about it and took the training it could be possible
@@arjavjain7229 i mean, i know this is legends, but in many of the games it was mentioned that sith can't become force ghosts because they use the force differently than jedi
@@loydtheliar5659 hmm I didn't know that
A note on why they didn't help out on Endor: Yoda made it very clear that for Luke to finish his training, he had to face Darth Vader alone. They could have helped, physically, but they weren't allowed to help, so to speak.
Exactly. That last part of the video made me a bit mad because the answers legit were in the movies.
Now I’m not a jedi but I feel like killing death vader instead of completing one jedi’s training is a win in the long run
They could've helped against the Stormtroopers.
also supposedly in the original script they did help
Except Vader is hundreds of miles above Endor.
"Rey who?"
"Rey Skywalker"
"Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!"
Haha, identify theft go brrrrr!
Ah yes I understand that Office reference
I don't think Rey Understands the power that name carries
This comment is golden
I understand that reference
Qui Gon Jin’s force ghost in Tatooine is a big reason to retcon this whole video
That show was awful qui Gon can't turn into a force ghost his training is incomplete
@@johnstrife7 He continued his training in the afterlife. Darth Vader has NO Force Ghost training, but he figured it out.
@teddyvaker4759
I think as Anakin was dying obi-wan appeared and taught him how to do it
@@teddybaker4759So did Leia, which was interesting. I wonder if Luke taught her during the training she had with him?
I just chalk it up to Tatooine being home to 2 very powerful Skywalkers, as well as the supposed place of Anakin's immaculate conception. So much important stuff happened there that the Force must have been fairly strong. Totally reaching, but that's kinda what this channel is about.
This can be taken even further when we talk about Mortis from Clone Wars. Mortis was a nexus of the Force, teeming with so much life that Qui-Gon could manifest a body. He never learned how to do that, so it would seem that if there’s enough of a Force nexus you can appear as a full ghost even without training.
qui gon has some training he can manifest as a voice
@@symtrick4782 Right, but he cannot manifest a body. He never finished his training
The Clone Wars is a criminally underrated show
Agreed
no duh
Indeed
D E F I N A T E L Y
Zippy Zach Attack* Its treason then
Lady: Rey who?
Rey: Rey Rey Binks!
Force ghost of Jar Jar fades into view
And she also turns to the Dark Side to follow in Jar-Jar's footsteps
Honestly would've preferred this.
Right after she said Skywalker, the lady should have slapped her with Luke's traffic violations, from when he nearly hit her, entering Toschi Station.
No god no please no
Darth jar jar figured out how to become a force ghost without being a Jedi.
14:00 I also think a big part of that is Luke being close to death, like how Yoda had an easier time contacting Qui-Gon away from a nexus while meditating
Yeah so slight problem with Qui-Gon: didn’t he manifest as a force ghost at the end of Kenobi? Seems that the writers just forgot about him never completing this training.
Can't anyone that had some experience in the physical world in Star Wars continue their training even after they became a force ghost? Heck why are we just focused on his appearance here when he also appeared in the clone wars too.
He lived by the will of the force, allowing it to guide him in life, he was closer to the force than any other Jedi of the day, most falling to bureaucracy, but quigan was taught how to come back after he died, then he tought obi wan the same power that os the training he is about to go do in the show. In life and legend of obi wan it goes in to better detail
Didn't Qui-Gon say at the end of Kenobi that he had been following Obi Wan as he lived on Tatooine? If Obi Wan _had_ been training like Matpat pointed out, then couldn't Qui-Gon just have been training with him, or at least watching him train and, for lack of a better term, taking notes on how to do it? Tell me what you all think
He already pulled it off by Rebels.
@@sonicinfinity1871 ture but that was one of the force nexuses therefore allowing him to show himself
In my opinion Rey should have said “Just Rey” this would have done a better job at proving the point that who you are isn’t as important than who you chose to be
Ok
Rey solo
Sorry
I think it would be better if she said "Rey Palpatine", showing that she is not afraid of who she is.
I did like the last jedi, and if the ryse of skywalker followed in the steps of that the last jedi then the trilogy would have felt way more conected, and not like only the first and last movies happened and the last jedi was a weird dream. Just Rey would have been perfect, or the people getting inspiration to fight back from luke skywalker.
@@Smile-wd6rz I approve
rey had some real potential to be a good character if they'd stuck with treating her like an organic h-bomb (unpredictable, strong but undisciplined...) like luke did in TLJ
Lady: Rey who
Rey: I don’t have a last name
Lady: no name? Rey solo then.
okay now THAT would have been awesome if it were in the movie.
@FRANK - i would have given the movie 10/10 if they did that
Perfection
Lol
Laughed
Endor can be explained pretty simply... the force ghosts just decided to stick for the after party since they knew Luke and Co. would prevail, I mean they are literally timeless. So they just wanted to throw a small ghost party.
What if Darth Vader, being Anakin Skywalker channeling absurd amounts of Dark Force, negates the Light Force with his presence? We see this whenever he faces Luke, like Mat said, he seems to force Luke into using the Dark Force when they face off, and Luke along with others who face him seems to be restricted in using the Light Side
Matpat: says Rey is a bad guy.
Movie: says she’s a palpitine
Matpat: so what I said was true from a certain point of view
Hey if all you've got are straws you grasp at them
I found this chill new Star Wars Film Theory
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666th like
@@anojamalalage7242 The time has come...Execute Order 666
She’s not a bad guy, just a bad character XD
"Why aren't they the ones doing everything?"
[Laughs in LEGO Star Wars Ghost Characters]
good times
Good timessssss
Ikr
I think he ruined his own theory, he says that the dark side and light side of the force use different sensitivity’s 10:30, resulting in users of different sides of the force either having an advantage or disadvantage, he then goes onto say that force ghosts can only appear at locations with strong force presence( nexus). With obi wan appearing in dagobah 12:48, but dagobah is strong in the dark side of the force so obi wan shouldn’t be able to appear here, meaning that only light side force nexus’s will be able to spawn force ghosts as dark side users can’t use the ability
@@ryanmatthews1096 I think he meant that some areas on Dagobah are stronger in the Dark side and other areas on Dagobah are stronger in the Light side, the cave he was telling Luke about was stronger in the Dark side
on the other hand, if you are Darth Nox, you CAN use force ghosts to help you take over....
12:16 shows tarooine as an example of low force for lack of life but the first live action appearance of qui gon jinn's force ghost is there. Ironic.
Luke: **struggling to fight Darth Vader in Endor**
Yoda and Obi Wan: *I´m gonna pretend I didn't see that*
They have seen it and they see the past, present, and future. They *saw* it but they also saw what was coming after. Also they weren’t fighting on Endor.
@@king_supreme1102 Leia was
Ah, Leah has the teddy bear squad. She'll be fine.
An army of teddybears armed with ropes vs a well trained army with weapons and vehicles, and the cute small ones wins ? It might be to long to film, but they got some ghost help for sure.
I bet the “aura” around the sith force wielders is preventing ghosts from appearing around them... as siths absorb much more energy (even from nothing) compared to jedies.
“Jedi”s weapons deserve more respect”
Also Luke: throws lightsaber in water to be broken”
That’s the point
I loved that moment
ruining the 69 likes be like
I'll make the same basic framework of a point that Matpat does here -- there's a ton of valid complaints and criticisms, but THIS isn't one of them. This was not a completely contradictory act. What Rey appears to be doing here toward the end is truly getting rid of the lightsaber, possibly even destroying it. What Luke did at the beginning of The Last Jedi was just making a point. He tosses it very lightly behind himself, behind him where he knows full well there's still plenty of levels of island. There's literally no way the lightsaber will actually be damaged at all from what he does, and he's perfectly aware of that. Luke's just trying to get cute and fancy to win an argument. Rey was trying to genuinely squash the thing forever.
@@kevinw712 Please don't try to defend bad movie decisions. If you have to write the reason for the movie, it means that they didn't think about it at all and was just a bad decision on their part.
Qui-Gon Jinn appearing on Tattoine in kind of killed this theory off.
Not exactly a planet teeming with life.
but it was
He does only appear for a few seconds though, and it's been established that he can only appear as a ghost where the force is strong, whether that means there's a lot of life or a force nexus. I'd say it's likely a force nexus is near where he appeared in that one scene.
@Tin Watchman why does "moisture farm" not really inspire thoughts of "teeming with life"?
Tattooine is a force nexus
I figured since they were connected to Luke, he could lift them
Mat pat: “can I make More good Star Wars content”
Mickey: “only if you praise our latest Star Wars movie”
Underrated comment
Hoho! Mickey will break your legs if you say ONE BAD THING about Rise of Skywalker!
Wait, he was sarcastic when he praised the movie.
@@shinyjose5467 That's why we love him.
@@shinyjose5467 I am not sure about that. He usually talks more clearly sarcastic when he is sarcastic.
So the empire just can't take over some planets because of, force ghosts?
“Soldiers, why haven't you taken over this planet yet?“
“There were this blue people“
Blue boys show up behind them
Oh god aaaaaaaa-
Blueman group assemble!!
Listen up here's a story about a blue guy living in blue world.
@Corn Peyton Noone under 30 knows what that means lol
Sounds like avatar
7:00 He did finish his training but it must’ve been while dead due to the Obi Wan Kenobi series on Disney+
This explains perfectly why Qui Gon never appeared to Obiwan in the new Obi Wan series until he was on Tatoween, because it was a force nexus.
MatPat: calls Clone Wars an animated spinoff.
Star Wars Stans: WHOMST HAS AWOKEN THE ANCIENT ONE!
Yep, at least I can die happy now that Mattpat mentioned the clone wars
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@@pabloparedesdiaz9591 Stop reposting this you stinky.
it’s treason then
sinking book83 just stop
One minor point: Luke wasn't swinging his saber like that because the Light Side was weak in the throne room - he did it because he was attacking Vader with primal anger, ignoring any sense of training in favor of slashing at Vader as heavily and powerfully as he could.
You're right, that is minor because Matpat already mentioned that Luke wasn't thinking during their duel and was purely trying to strike Vader.
Im pretty sure that was just a joke, but yeah ur point is tottaly valid! /gen
@@ilinca781 uh what does /gen mean
@@xavier51 /gen means genuine/ genuine question
@@ilinca781 oh okay thanks
Oh boy, wait till he sees the end of the Obi Wan Kenobi show and has to rethink everything about Qui-gon.
7:08 Enter Obi-Wan Tv show
Here are my problems with the movie
-too many useless characters that get no screen time
-General Hux being a good guy
-Palpatine didn’t tell Kylo the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise
Also crappy story
Darth Plagueis was a dark lord of the sith so powerful and so wise he could manipulate the midichlorians to create life.
General Hux wasn't a good guy, he just didn't like Kylo Ren.
@@hatguy8225 wrong
I'm confused about the first one?
Isn't it good that useless characters got hardly any screen time
"Liam Neeson is too expensive for the cameo"
*Liam Neeson literally voicing qui gon in the clone wars animated series*
What other movie actor came back for the show? Every character got new voice actors for the show. I guess Ian McDiarmid did return for a small cameo as Palpatine for Order 66, but that was only after Sam Witwer had played the character regularly for years too.
The way I heard it, it sounded like " too expensive to be any more than some cameos".
He was supposed to do it in 2 or 3 but broke his leg if I remember correctly
Tweety Song yeah Samuel L Jackson didn’t say Motherf*****
**Liam Neeson probably appearing in the Kenobi series**
5:08 free therapy sessions? Now that's OP
*obi-wan kenobi ends w qui-gon showing up as a force ghost on a literal desert planet*
obi-wan kenobi: so anyway i started retconning
matpat: *surprised pikachu face*
Dang this is like in mythologies when the gods can’t interact with their demigod kids directly but hermes can go down and slap they kids with exposition
Percy Jackson reference my friend
Yeah but in actual Greek/Roman mythology, demigods didn't have powers from their god/goddess parents.
That’s....not true
Who else remembers using the ghosts in LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga and easily taking down enemies because you couldn’t get hit?
Ohhhh yeah
Ghost yoda was so op
Yah, try doing the battle where you had to fight your P2, but your both ghosts.
I remember how hard they were to get when I was a kid because they were expensive and I didnt like grinding when I was younger
And were invisible
1:50 they could do it like naturto vs madara and etc and the reanimation jutsu
There was a part on force ghost in the d20 tabletop rpg. From memory, there were jedi ghost for unfinished duty, but is was kind of borrowed time and they should not wait too long before permanently joining the force or their own balance could change. There were also siths ghost but it was more about deep hatred and refusing to face death.
Fun fact: Vader never killed Ben, he became one with the force right before the saber hit as to not give Vader the satisfaction. That is why Vader kicks the cloak, he doesn't know what happened
Obi-Wan is a troll even in the face of death
Yep. If Vader killed Obi-wan there would at least be burn marks on the cloak.
@Tweety Song Hello There
@@WrensthavAviovus Imagine if Obi-wan disappeared into the force, the robe falls to the floor, Vader's reflex was too slow, swipes at thin air, then Ben appears to him as a ghost and mocks him saying: "Missed me by that much!" in Don Adams voice. (sounds like the kind of joke you'd see in Star Wars (Robot Chicken) or Spaceballs).
Uuuh what, 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
matpat: calls star wars the clone wars a 'spin off'
Me: I accuse you of treason against the grand army of the republic.
The senate will decide his fate
I mean technically yeah it's a spinoff show
And shall be executed as such
MatPat isn't wrong tho TCW is basically filler for the movies. If it was up to me I'd make Star Wars take place in different universes like Lego Star Wars so continuity won't be messed up and writers can continue to tell the story they want without being limited to make sense for the movies.
Original Trilogy-Main universe
Prequel Trilogy-Alternate universe
Sequel trilogy-Separate universe
The Clone Wars animated series-Focuses on the stormtroopers in a what if universe
Rebels and Resistance-Their own universes that are canon to each other
Albert The Peacock Its not stormtroopers in TCW, they are clones. Big differens
"My training was incomplete."
Obi-wan Kenobi series: "I'm about to end this mans whole career."
Honestly my little “theory” about the Endor thing is that obi wanted to let Luke fulfill his destiny
my theory is that they were watching and literally decided that Luke was doing just fine and didn't need to help. they probably were able to see the outcome through the force and decided that if they tried to interfere then its possible that Luke wouldn't win. Also they said he had to do it alone.
i think it's lees bout luke & more bout trying to get anakin back to the light side. if u listen to the music when luke fought anakin, u can hear the choir prominently like as if it's a bunch of force ghosts screaming for him to get back to the light side
Matpat: the death star is lifeless
the 1.7 milion military personel on the death star: .........
........
Exactly, lifeless
But they don’t live there naturally, since it’s an artificial moon. Same with Cloud City. People live there, but they ain’t supposed to.
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What do you think they eat? Is their a livestock area in the death Star?
@@bartudundar3193 plus, if you read some of the accounts from workers on the death star, you begin to realize how empty it was, it had the depth of a small moon and a total surface area larger then some countries, that area really begins to make 1.6 million feel smaller.
new title for this episode:
"Matpat pulls a litle sneaky on us and turns a flaw in Rise of Skywalker into a flaw with the original triology."
It’s not a “flaw”
Lol..."a little sneaky"
@@hollownite4165 uh oh how unfortunate
It’s not a flaw, it’s a feature, 😶😅, but on the real though, it’s not a flaw
ofoers What is a retcon?
Let’s give a round of applause to the longest film theory intro ever at 3:43
Qui-gon's force ghost appearing on the lifeless Tatooine: I'm about to ruin this man's whole carrier.
The reason they didn’t fight Vader on Endor is because and I quote “our asses, Vader would kick” -Yoda
I love this.
Lmao, sounds accurate XD
Brilliant
G
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I believe the Endor dilemma was because Obi-Wan had hope that Luke could save Anakin. In his exile on Tatooine he would visit Shmi's grave and apologize for failing her son, so he felt guilty about the events of Episode 3 and probably would have stayed out of it if he felt Luke could save Anakin. Likewise only Vader went down to the panet, without the Emperor, and was only there for a brief moment to land, pick up Luke, and take off, never leaving the landing pad to go outside among the plants.
Really love this way of looking at the Force and force ghosts. One point I’d also add that may explain why the Force Ghosts didn’t confront Vader on Endor or anything is because the ability to “become one with the Force” is a lightside ability, they might not be able to show themselves at least as prevalently when around Dark side energy. So simply by Vader being a Sith and especially with Palpatine it’s not only about the amount of life around them it’s also just the amount of the force surrounding them is dark which may be a reason they aren’t able to be there at least at full power.
Matpat making a theory about star wars with actual science and common sense, actively making the movies better.
Disney: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!!
Or more accurately.
Disney: “execute order 66”
I don’t think the mouse really wants to put in the effort
At this point they should just hire Matpat to make the new trilogy
Don't lie, you know they won't.
Palpatine: "your ghost friends can't help you here"
that's it, problem solved
Not really. Many people had problems with midichlorians because they tried to make something magical (the force) into a science. It’s like saying that proving Harry Potter magic is actually based on plant power would be an improvement to the universe.
Headcannon: In the MMO it makes it clear there is an obscure dark-side technique that allows a force user to absorb a ghost, consuming it to increase their power. Maybe the ghosts don't directly confront the sith because they are afraid of becoming lunch.
Do you mean the Sith Inquisitor storyline in SWTOR ? Since it is a dark side technique, and an especially obscure one, I am not sure if the Jedi would be aware of it.
Besides, it is best not to bring up the ancient expanded universe when discussing the new films : it is a depressing reminder of much better stories than those we got...
i think that would make some degrees of sense. the dark side always has a way of twisting things. also given how rare the knowledge of force trancendance(what i will call the act of becoming a force ghost), the need for the technique to slay force ghosts or otherwise banish them would be rare. however it all ties into how the philosophies of the dark and light sides struggle with eachother. while light side wielders could likely more easily learn the technique of force trancendance(since it aligns with their philosophy more), the dark side would struggle more with it, since they are often focused heavily on matters of life, like building and sustaining empires, trying to save people they are close too, and clinging onto material life as much as they can. this would likely explain why it would be the darkside that would develop such a technique. if we consider how darkside and light side might operate from a dnd angle...light side would be like positive energy, restoring, preserving and bringing life into the universe. the darkside meanwhile is negative energy, the domain of necromancy and undeath, that maintains life by drawing it away, killing those they take it from, or twising life to go against the natural process. true balance would be to ensure that neither of these forces grows too strong. too much light side/positive energy and people no longer bother to innovate and people and lives and civilisations stagnate. meanwhile too much darkside or negative energy and there is no growth or benefit. only the endless taking of life to sustain a few.
technically paplaitne kinda did that with 2 living pathetic idiots, ben skywalker and Rey 'Skywalker; so if the method was originally meant for ghosts, than obviously he would have done it to the army of ghosts as seen is hishe. So much for luke impressing his father
The problem that invalidates this point is that The Old Republic is no longer canon
This needs more likes, however since SW is a masterpiece of an afterthought, I can't really care.
7:20 obi wan series, "nahhhhhh"
1:59 nooo my girl Ahsoka is dead 😭😭
Hoth! There ain't enough life on that ice cube to fill a space cruiser!
No but seriously. I like this one a lot.
First
Mot Goai wonderful video old chap
I'm going with a subterranean ocean full of simple life forms idea. 🤔
I like the theory, and agree that it's tied to Force Nexuses. However, I disagree that force nexuses = life. The Jedi Temple on Lothal had very little life around it being surrounded by mostly empty planes with only a few lothcats around, but was very strong with the force.
I think these nexuses are more likely "thin" areas where the veil between dimensions is weaker. In the case of Lothal, this manifested in a portal to the World Between Worlds. Ahch-to had an actual hole which led Rey to some weird mirror/vision dimension. And Mortis was likely a realm in between the real world and the Force dimension.
“When Luke is flying above the Death Star Obiwan could only speak to him”
What did you want? Obiwan to appear on the wing?
Lol
"Luke I'll always be your wing man"
He has to, for the high ground
He coulnt fit on the ship, it’s a single person cockpit
Yes absolutely
My video got stuck at 9:01.. thought I’m in a 3 o clock prayer video or something
I remember Star Wars. It was a very popular franchise when I was a child in the 80's.
When I became a ghost I had unlimited High Ground
I see you everywhere obi wan
U drifted up to the high ground
Can u teach me to become a jedi obi wan?
Where were you on Endor!!!
Death sticks you say?
I always thought this was a much easier solution: They can't manifest close to strong dark side users.
That actually makes sense.
That would be an easy simple answer but the last Jedi messed that up when Luke duels the angry kid as a ghost
@@josephaurelius5567 Luke wasn't a ghost in that scene, more like a projection
In the Vader comics obi wan talks to vader as a ghost
Isn't rey a dark side user... A bit?
Aaand now due to the end of the Obi Wan show and the appearance of Qui-gons force ghost, Disney has once again backed themselves into a corner.
Congratulations on 10 Million subscribers
"They smack you with a cane"
"They give you therapy sessions"
*very helpful*
What? Your therapists don't smack you with a cane? They're not doing their job right then...
@@ItBePatYo they roda rolla me
TurtleBoiYT WRYYyYYYYyYYYYy!!!!!!!!!!!
sometimes people need to be treated like an old Magnavox.. smack it till it works
MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA
MatPat: **calls TROS a masterpiece**
MatPat: **calls TCW a spinoff**
The fans: _It’s treason then._
spinoff does not mean bad.
a masterpiece does not mean free of fault (although I personally believe it isnt much of a masterpiece)
He was being sarcastic about it being a masterpiece
@@ACESENTAIL I agree!
(Insert Sith Battlecry)
@@athan13590 a masterpiece means not major faults at the very least
I LOVE this theory...Just Subscribed BTW!
11:20 I personally decided that those in the SWU believed the Midiclorines created _The Force_ but were incorrect. I decided that Midiclorines were microscopic life forms attracted to living beings who possess Force Abilities, and may function in a symbiotic way with those who can use _The Force_ by sort of being a psychic lubricant for _The Force._ They may facilitate the use of _The Force;_ they don't _Create It._ Not any more than anything else contributes to the creation of _The Force._
Possible plug for that last plot hole: Yoda and Obi Wan's plan hinged on Luke facing the Emperor. If they'd interfered and attack Vader in some way, Luke would never have made it to the Death Star.
They can sorta see a little into the future too, so knowing that if they interfered, Vader would not have the character development that would be necessary to defeat Palpatine would make sense!
Also its not like every single jedi ever was a force ghost. We only know like 4 jedi that can do it so I think its kinda balanced for them to be that OP
Matpat : *makes star wars theory*
The media : "so you have chosen death"
Cough* cough* media
this is legit his best SW theory because it actually fits the overarching theme made by George Lucas
No, its bad and inconsistent writing. Force ghosts weren't able to do this before, and if they had been able to before, it would've opened up a lot of plot holes. Matpat is essentially having to provide his own head-canon in order to console with the glaring issues that JJ Abrams and Ryan Johhnson have added to Star Wars.
They might only be allowed to manifest when the force permits it. We know it has a will and therefore some form of conciseness so maybe it’s just that if the force asks it if then the spirits shall abide
1:18 Why I'm not remember this part
Im rey
Rey who?
Rey'd shadow legends a free app with millions of players available on IOS and android
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The most ambitious game ever made.
Sadly he was killed in his sleep.
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Animated spin offs? Matpat, the clone wars animated series is THE best thing to ever happen to star wars and you know that
Debatable. There’s the Mandalorian.
@@challengingarmadillo8472 The Mandalorian is good, but it doesn't hold a candle to Clone Wars
They’re made by the same crew
Are you saying that the fact that it is a spin off makes it bad?
No some spin offs are great! Take the clone wars for example... oh wait
POV: you're watching MatPat explain why Qui-Gon never manifests as a ghost after watching the the finale of Kenobi. Man, can those chuckleheads ever keep their own canon straight?
I love your theories matpat
“I’m going to bring balance to the force, like Rey”
Fans: It’s treason then.
Rumor has it that 7, 8, and 9 are going to be made non-canon and brand new 7, 8, and 9 are going to come out under the production of the guy who made The Mandelorian.
@@Ryanowning I'd love that, with the same characters because each character actually had potential. JJ and Rian just did them dirty.
@@Ryanowning that's not a rumor. That's just right wingers making up stuff. There's no way to erase those from canon as several actors are deceased or no longer interested in the series.
Disgruntled fans should just accept the fact that the prequels weren't good either and TLJ is thematically in line with George.
@@theresamartinez7517 no. Luke was always going to end up a hobo so Rian did him right
@@Ryanowning They could relatively easily create a 'soft' non-canon through books and comics, but there is no way they are taking the risk of shouting 're-do' on the entire trilogy.
I just imagine a bunch of birds and insects dying as the midichlorians leave their body to fuel Yoda's lightning... Because of thermodynamics
I'm thinking Yoda used more of his own midichlorians when making the lightning because as a force ghost he's mostly made up of the stuff. and since he's powerful he can afford to
I thought he just altered where natural lightning was going to strike, it was already storming over the island.
Well as long as the birds were seagulls it's all good.
Very logically consistent from start to finish.
9:29 ONE MUST LEARN ONE'S OWN LESSONS.
She should’ve said “Rey Palpatine.” The whole movie was about how you can be whatever you want no matter your origins. Then they threw it out the window when she says “Rey Skywalker”
Hey, if I found out the biggest evil in the galaxy was my grandfather just a day or two before I go to fight him, I'd be pretty traumatized to hear his surname over and over even after killing him.
@@EatAnOctorok I'd say palpatine was my grandfather, do you how much money he has in an estate on naboo?
I thought u were james lol
You not the first person to say that.
Would you take Hitlers name, even if he's your granpa?
Yeah no. You wouldn't.
“Mitichlorians are the powerhouse of teh Force.”
-matpat, probably
Well. He said pretty much this in a Game Theory about Fallen Order, so...
bill wurtz: -merchants,probably
I always thought that the force ghosts were allowed to help the living indirectly, but not directly interfere. Obi-Wan on Dagobah actually says, "If you choose to face Vader you will do it alone, we cannot interfere."
Wonder how Qui-Gon appearing on Tatooine in Kenobi affects this
thats what I thought because he appeared on Tatooine a place with little life.
"Animated Spinoff" = The best Star Wars content since the original trilogy (arguably)
The Mandalorian is up there though.
its still an animated spinoff.
The Phineas and Ferb crossover *Cough* *Cough*
Calling something a spinoff doesn't mean the content is bad.
Clone wars season 7 and the mandalorain are the best Star Wars content that Disney will make
"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!"
"How powerful is that?"
"Oh, you know, I'll be able to give people bits of vague advice and appear at big celebrations and stuff."
didn't even give him enough power to stand up while talking.
Obi-wan became one with the Force. The whole Force. Obi-wan is the Force, and the Force is Obi-wan. That's what he means by being more powerful. The Force has unlimited power, and since Obi-wan is the Force, that's his unlimited power.
@@AbjectPermanence The Ultimate High Ground.
Maybe he just has a terrible imagination
@@AbjectPermanence nah. Only the emperor has unlimited power.
LMFAO bro the force ghost 2Pac was the greatest thing ever! Love you man
Kenobi completely forgot that qui gon didn’t complete his training
Who else thinks matpat should do a theory on how many days the movie "groundhog day" lasted
rami stated 13,495 years
Around 10 years, but the original plan was for it to be 10,000 years
10 or maybe 30 years but I wanna see it too. Like the comment to matpat can see
ya
I'm very disappointed that no one so far has said one day.
Possible addendum to this theory:
Popular theory in real world "ghosts" is that they need energy to manifest at all, and will take that energy from their surroundings, be it electric energy, heat, or even biological energy. The same would probably be true of force ghosts, which is why they manifest in areas with such positive force. However, Sith use the dark side of the force, and we've seen numerous times that the dark side has a corrupting influence on even the strongest of Jedi. It's entirely possible that the light and dark sides of the force behave like positive and negative magnetic forces, and that if the ghosts of a Jedi were to get too close to the negative influence of a Sith Lord, they might be more easily corrupted without their physical form. Or the presence of an overwhelming dark force simply causes enough disturbance in the force that it prevents a force ghost from forming. So even in a force rich area, a force ghost can't interfere with someone like Vader.
Edit: Further evidence of this limitation comes from the lack of dark force users using the power of force ghosts. As they said, Qui Gon found his own path to immortality, something Palpatine was obsessed with. Given how powerful force ghosts are, if they didn't have very specific limits, someone like Palpatine would certainly want that power, but he didn't. He sought a different path towards immortality.
another thing is that palpatine, being as powerful as he is, would easily be able to probably dispel or destroy the force ghosts in some way, if not permanently, at least temporarily, so they wouldn't be much of a threat to him.
Force ghost is a light side thing that no sith can do. I don't remember where I heard that though so it needs a fact check.
@@robert_gaming well I don't thing he could have a chance against Anakin, obi-wan, and Yoda's force ghosts
isn't force supposed to be everywhere in the universe at all times? that's what i got from the one star wars movie i saw
@@josh4fun668 The only evidence of a dark side force ghost we've seen was Darth Bane, but even that was just an allusion "etched into time." However, being that that's the only canon material that's touched on the topic, the possibility is not disproven.
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My personal headcanon is that by the very nature of the dark side, dark side force is too erratic to form a definite figure after death. That's why we don't see the sith as ghosts. Additionally, when Jedi die they become part of the greater force, allowing other Jedi from all over to tap into their… force. Inversely, when Sith die their energy appears to congregate in smaller and more specific locations (the pit on the island in TLJ and the cave in Dagobah, though there are many examples of this I'm skipping for the sake of brevity).
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My point, sith can only become ghosts in super concentrated areas being that they are much more erratic and formless by nature, we just haven't seen this because where they congregate have only been shown to be a few select locations. Again, just headcanon.
I wonder if on endor, they could appear but could not fight. That or since they have the ability to go into the future. They know when they are actually needed and therefore bother to show up vs when they know things will work without them. They might Could also be that depending on the number of midochlorians, it's harder to do things but never impossible. Like they can force themselves to appear on endor but fighting would be huge ask for them. Maybe since apparently appearing is a painful process they only do it when needed. Just some thoughts I had.
Fun factoid about the Hoth scenes and production limitations: the blue-screening they did in the original trilogy left thiccc dark borders - not a problem in space, but on Hoth, they had to adjust the opacity so much that in the theatrical release (and pre-remastered VHS) you can actually see the AT-AT's leg through the frame of the snow speeder during the cockpit shots of Luke's robo-rustling. This likely holds true for obi-wan's force ghost as well, but I'm pretty sure they left his opacity the same when they remastered the originals, so your theory is still valid, of course.
"Except for one teeny, tiny problem..."
Yeah. A good story to tell.
@@FlameOnTheBeat And they should remove that stupid line where Rey "senses" Chewie... Didn't she sense him before!?
... But that is one of the lesser problems of the sequels.
Sort of feel like the Endor plothole was pretty glossed over, when earlier it was mentioned that these force ghosts have the potential to see the future...and in that potential, perhaps they saw that Anakin's prophecy does, in fact, come true, though only if they did not intervene in that particular instance. Perhaps without Darth Vader's redemption, Luke would have fallen, either succumbing to the allure of the Dark Side or to wounds inflicted by Palpatine in their final fight.
Is it a bit contrived? Perhaps a bit, though it's certainly closer to home for the franchise than the recent films.
Well there is another big plot hole why didn’t anakin’s force ghost ever tell anyone about exegal he had been there before palpatine explained it to him his son was searching for it for years and his grandson had fallen to the dark side because of lies he could’ve confirmed were false at any time
I love the radio in Kirlian!
Vader was so powerful he not only mastered force ghost training but he went one step further by turning his older self into his younger self. You can see the contempt on both Ben and Yodas face as he did this and his smile says look at me oldies I am going to get the young ghost babes suckers.
“Just play Lego Star Wars. But in all seriousness.”
Matpat, we are being serious.
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No, Lego Star Wars sucks.
Lego Star Wars is the best Star Wars product ever
All force ghosts have always interacted with one thing in common: the ground. They've always had physical capabilities! lol
float. at ground level
Including the high ground
@@dounutman1310 nice!
Also, they create sound waves. 😅
@@averyhaferman3474 Obi Wan walks over to Luke in ROTJ, he even brushes aside vines as he walks by them, stops and holds his posture while obviously standing on the ground. Then he sits on a log. No floating, you're thinking of It.
Bruh I’ve been geeking over Star Wars for years and you just tackled some of my questions
Wow this explains alot
Especially rays face off with sidius
MatPat complains about Ghost in Star Wars? That's the spirit!
Pun intended?
Take my like and leave
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I've never heard about starv wars before, is it any good?
Starv wars