USA vs CHINESE EVS! Who Wins? With Elliot Richards 🇨🇳 and Ricky Roy 🇺🇸 | The Fully Charged Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2023
- In this special episode, Ricky Roy and Elliot Richards take over the pod in a Rivian R1T at the Fully Charged Live show in Farnborough. The guys go deep on what US and Chinese car brands they love but also their gripes, and which ones may have trouble transitioning markets in the future.
As Fully Charged live show first timers, they also discuss what they loved about being there in the flesh, meeting fans, panel talks, EV positivity and more.
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Please, please, PLEASE! More conversations like this!! Pair up your presenters in focused and unfocused conversations like this.
Yes! This was really great.
Fun conversation, a couple observations:
1 - BYD has a factory in USA, in California in fact. Builds buses.
2 - Volvo is a Chinese company. So already in USA.
3 - 50% of BYD is Hybrid (plug in). To me, it just seems for those who don't care that can be 120% fossil fuel use (because you are always lugging around that battery and motor).
What a great discussion between two very well informed journalists highly inquisitive of each others markets! I was _glued to the radio_ so to speak! I loved the balanced, eagle eyed observations, the analysis of their respective markets and the mutual views of each others markets as a comparison and to create this global view… just awesome! I’m grappling for words and failing abysmally, I do hope you get the gist! Very well done! Thank you so much! Love every second
Yes, if only they could have some comedic content, Jack was busy not being a 'comedian' ( let alone an 'actor') .
Brilliant conversation, thanks. I love it when the different presenters have a chat :-) more of this please.
GM had the Saturn brand - which was a zero markup brand. Each option was separate - a la carte - which was great! Scion was the same for Toyota - and I think that the corporation killed them by starvation.
The big 3 should listen to this podcast, no really.
Per electric bikes in the US: I lived in Brooklyn for 5 months about 4 years ago. Even then, ALL of the food and delivery places had already switched to E-bikes and electric scooters. They just make better economic sense, and ironically are more reliable in rainy and icey conditions than traditional gas scooters, and are faster than pedal bikes. And at the end of the work day you can just store them inside the restaurant and they dont stink the place up. They are so popular that NYC has had to pass laws restricting the sale of E-bikes to ones with UL approval, because the cheap ones were catching on fire.
That said, in other parts of the country, the hardcore Harley guys who have stupid plattitudes like "loud pipes save lives" will never make that switch... but that demographic does appear to be aging rapidly. And electric scooters will have to get an ORDER OF MAGINITUDE cheaper before they will be considered a reasonable alternative for people driving around on sub $1000 gas scooters that get 100 miles to the gallon.
Love it when I see my favorite podcasts hanging out together.
So, not The Fully Charged Podcast but The Follicly Challenged Podcast.
Speaking as a fellow smooth topped male, BALDIES UNITE!
I still have ALL of mine at 75 yrs !
Thankyou Mother !
My son will thank his too !
@@linmal2242 Show off.
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@@kalebdaark100 haha! that's a GENIUS name for a podcast!
Ricky, BYD already has a plant in California making electric buses. They have been there for a while. Don't write off that they open a plant in the US. I think they are now more concerned with entering Europe which is ripe for lower priced cars, specially smaller cars.
great content, good job guys!!!
Great chat. Wonderful chemistry.
Thank you Elliot for explaining what's going on with the BYD Seagull price drop! They had a lot of people confused. I knew Tesla price drops was causing waves, just hadn't realised even cheaper cars like the Seagull were being affected so much.
Also great to hear the conversation between you too, also the point about Tesla being like Apple with software updates prioritised over look changes hits the nail on the head. Plus as mentioned I don't think younger generations care as much aside from getting from point A to B.
In the SF Bay Area, we've recently seen enough Rivians, both pickup and SUV, that we now yawn; there goes another one, ho-hum. Meanwhile, we're awash in Teslas.
Interesting discussion. 👍🏼
I guess the real question is will the US government allowed the Chinese in to complete or will the US resort to protectionism like they always do when they get out maneuver by foreign companies an government.
Thank you
Two of my fav guys to listen to! Next, Jack and ...? Helen?
Ding! lights changed ,ELLYUT! ;-)
I agree, this was a nice conversation. @ 10:12 Its interesting how the US will overlook a good product before marketing and branding campaigning brings them back on track.
I think you'll find that VW has not been using rare earth magnets for a long time. Pay more attention to Sandy Munro teardowns
For me, buying a Chinese or Vietnamese car has 1 caveat: service. Like Tesla, there be years of growing pains building out service centers and parts stores. I don’t see import cars from anywhere as lower quality or safety. I can’t afford the myriad of 40k plus cars that everyone is making.
Great informative interview fellas. Thank you
Great to see Ricky and Elliott in the same place and it gave a fantastic view into how other parts of the world are seeing the EV growth.
As a 30 something white American man and I would rock the Wuling mini Ev everyday to work. The US auto makers have no clue
I'll stick to my 2015 Leaf till it dies, hopefully buy then they'll be a good inventory used Evs
Am interested in your view of why the colour of your skin has any bearing of whether you would be expected to drive the Wuling mini Ev to work (ie the stereotype that you are not confirming to)? Are there other skin colours who would be expected to drive this car more than white people in America? This is a genuine question to understand the perspective from a different perspective... BTW I am in a similar boat to you with regards to cars, I am sticking with my 2013 Leaf for a while longer, hoping the second hand market picks up eventually and, in the meantime, on the occasion that I need a longer range for a cross country trip, then I lease a car for the occasion.
Just putting it out there for the auto makers that not all 30 something year old men don't want a huge suv or truck I can't speak on the behalf of anyone else because I'm not black, Asian, or a woman lol or whatever
@@shonunezekielit’s an American thing. They are obsessed with skin color.
32:12; Elliot: Why did you cancel the Dolphin? If you left it on order, when it finally arrives you could (surely) sell it straight away at a significant profit to someone who doesn't want to wait...?
Great guys, great content.
'Do you think US auto makers will be in trouble' Elliot asks at 25.21. They will all be in massive/mega trouble without any government subsidies and bail outs IMO. Ford have a strategy and a couple of models with but zero/negative profit on the Mach e. The push back from their dealers and shareholders will possibly destroy them as a major car manufacturer unfortunately and Ford is probably in a better position than all of the other
Ford.
Why not approach the Government and Tesla. Request to build Superchargers with to"Ford" branding under license.
If the Government is going to bail them out anyway, that's a good way to "transfer funds" without headlines if "ANOTHER Bailout".
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Suggest that Tesla add battery storage on site.
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What's in it for participants?
Ford gets the cashflow from building the units, plus charge revenue, free advertising and association with a *reliable* network.
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Tesla gets network expansion (Magic Dock would no doubt be a requirement)
They also get a huge opportunity by using the on-site storage (Megapack?) for energy arbitrage when the chargers are idle (I suspect that's most of the time)
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The Government gets the network expansion (3-5 times the number of chargers for similar money), keeps a major company in existence without an overt "Bailout" and improves "green credentials".
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The customer, all of the above.
General Motors cancelling the Chevrolet Bolt EUV was such a weird and (honestly terrible) decision. Trucks are not for everyone (even though I do like trucks).
There is a small Chinese electric car sold in the USA, which is the Kandi K27. It's North America's most affordable EV (USD$13,000).
Buick is popular in China because their advertisements cater towards the Chinese youth, and yeah, I do see Buick cars in the USA catering more towards the older audiences. I rode around in a Buick GL8 back in 2012 during an overseas family holiday and it was a very luxurious minivan despite being on a very ancient platform (think Pontiac Montana and Chevrolet Venture platform). China is the reason why Buick is still alive today.
To answer Ricky's question about BYD in the USA, is that yes, BYD has a factory in Lancaster, CA. The factory there builds mainly electric semi trucks and buses. Yes, American-built Chinese trucks and buses.
Even though I'm Australian, I've heard a lot about the absolutely INSANE dealer markups happening in the USA. No one in their right minds would buy a car USD$40,000 over the actual price.
Not even remotely weird. I predicted they would do it as soon as they dramatically reduced the prices. Fire sale pricing. I also tried to warn people looking to buy a cheap Bolt should worry about serviceability.
Chevy's reason is fairly easy to guess: Ultium, one battery pack to rule them all. Or more precisely: one service training to rule them all. Remember when Chevrolet was threatening dealerships to train for EV repairs or leave? How much do you want to bet that streamlining said training was part of the negotiating they did with dealerships? Removing the Bolts was a no brainer for them. But it also brings up the reason I thought Ultium was a bad idea when they introduced it: its modularity and size means it will never really be appropriate for compact vehicles, and it also means they will have difficult competing with other brands on overall efficiency as well packaging space. Maybe they can make it work, but IMO they have sacrificed alot of flexibility for a modular concept that may or may not save them money.
@@patreekotime4578 The problem with the Ultium platform.. it was designed 5 years ago and is already obsolete.
The Kandi has never materialized here in the US, just a lot of cheap talk.
@@patreekotime4578 Why would people buying a Bolt need to worry about serviceability? Manufacturers are required to make replacement parts available for 10 years after a car is discontinued. GM must still honor the powertrain and battery warranty. When the cars are 10 plus years old there will be replacement parts available through the aftermarket. Nobody should be concerned about buying a Bolt. It's a great little car.
I checked Kandi's website just the other day and all those city quadricycles that were there a few years ago are gone. I think they attempted to get these tiny cars crash certified and failed miserably, so they just stopped offering them here. The only thing they have listed right now is a basic electric golf cart and (because this is uh-MERK-uh) some sort of oddly-proportioned mini pickup truck. Whether you can actually buy one, though, remains to be seen.
On the bigger car thing....we had a big suv, but it cost SO much to run and in the UK they have such a bad rep now. I would say things are going back here. And if you love driving, smaller cars are more fun.
I wonder whether their conversation ever drifted towards dome wax?
Wiil the US government make the the IRA subsidy only apply to cars made with a certain amount of human labour if Tesla starts using it's Optimus robot to replace people where possible?
I was hoping Lucid and Fisker might be mentioned, they really interest me, far more than Tesla.
Riki have you driven the model S or X?
richard with the tesla copium
A new thing: handheld SM7s 😉😀
Oh my Gatos! Best takeover ever 😊
Build American Dreams...BAD?😂
Your average Brit still thinks MG 4 is British too
Great Segment guys
20:40 I think I agree with the assessment Tesla is more a Tech company than an automaker, even though they make cars, clearly. That example of a sound played by the car when the light turns green, is clearly user driven improvement, which is something you see throughout the development of Tesla cars. Very user focused, a clear example of customer journey done right, it seems. I'm not a fanboy, but especially now with the lowered prices, it is hard to come up with a car that offers as much as a Tesla does, at a price range and a milage as the Tesla does. And even though the prices have become highly competitive, at least here in Holland, it stil is seen as a premium brand, mainly because of the very approach offering a constant OTA update keeping the car in sync with modern times.
One thing I would love to see though, before I put my hard-earned cash in a Tesla, and it seems the market is slowly picking up on that notion, not just mine but clearly shared by many, the absence of physical buttons, is the availability of either Tesla or aftermarket options for physical buttons. I don't mind Tesla not building that kind of interface, but allowing for third party suppliers to build add-ons to bridge that gap would be awesome and possibly an option for me to cross over to the dark side so to speak ;-) (Ctr-Bar?)
Ricky is so cute
GM infuriated me. Had a leased Bolt and wanted to extend until we could buy an Equinox or Blazer. They refused and we bought a Tesla. Only EV we could get
100 years ago an American guy drove a giant tank-like Buick around the boondocks of China - even where there were no roads. The Buick brand became a legend and has remained one ever since. In China.
Chinese EVs are really good
Fully Charged and fully smooth - grass does not grow on those busy streets - fully green - brilliant lads, Eamon
As someone who always pays attention when I’m driving, a ding to tell me the light was green when I had already seen it was green would really cheese me off.
You can turn it off
@@ericogden4589 Right up until the next OTA software update, when you can't.
The moment Tesla became the topic, Ricky constantly said how Tesla invented everything, never did anything wrong, he even said "WE" are unbeatable, what a fanboi.
What happened to CANOO?
They missed a milestone for government funding, so they (sensibly) scaled back from building a new factory and are renting(?) space in an existing facility.
It's going to be tight, but if they can get some product out this year, I think (hope) they have a chance.
Many many Americans will not buy a Chinese car. For reasons these guys don't understand. Like availability of replacement parts. Years and years of Chinesium steel scare the hell out us. Price will be the most important reason Chinese cars will sell in the US. But it won't be a wave like many people expect.
Listening to you 2 chat is so cool. Loved it.
26:51; "I have a car made in California..." Isn't that the problem for half the car-buying population of America? To many Americans, California is so 'out there' it is perceived almost as a foreign country!
Unfortunately for BMW and Mercedes are not a premium product anymore, everyone is driving them, they are seen on every council estate.
Like that a lot. Good discussion and I learned a few things. Somehow quite charming on top.
Regarding GM cancelling the Bolt, if you’re losing money on every one you sell, perhaps it’s damage mitigation. In other words, they’re trying to buy time. Same with the Hummer EV. They’ve deliberately gone for the least practical model because they simply don’t want to sell it yet
Europe though won't got SUV everywhere as unlike the US they have medieval cities and giant SUV's won't fit and damage a 1000yr old building I would imagine it's prison and car being crushed whereas a Fiat 500e which is fantastic for places and is easier to park unlike these giant cars/suv's.
Why doesn't GM revive Opel as EV? An Opel GT style or a Kadet size car. Made in EU. Marketed by GM?
Because they sold it to Stellantis.
Opel and Vauxhall are now owned by Stellantis.
The obvious path for GM would be to bring back the Saturn nameplate and, this time, use it to make sensibly-sized Chinese EV available here. GM has a relationship with Wuling and could leverage that somehow. But whether they're smart enough to do that remains to be seen.
If only the Chinese cars would stop catching on fire all the time.
So what are we gonna do with the North Americans who drive ... small Cars!!
VW Golf & Jetta, Toyota Corolla, Mazda 3, Nissan Versa & Sentra, Honda Civic, Kia Forte, Hyundai Elantra ... where are these buyers going to go?
As a VW e-Golf driver I DO NOT need or want an SUV!! I'm happy in the car segment/size that I am in now. I am retired but many of these car drivers are also younger people who we need to get into an EV sooner than later.
I guess we will have to see if a car conversion underground starts up for small car owners in North America and hits all of the established brands when they least expect it.
Are you bringing the Rivian to Harrogate?
They're in a car belonging to a car hire company.
If it's not on a rental I'm sure it'll be there.
Lidar, radar, more sensors therefore better autonomy... Elliot, Elliot, sigh 😞
Fast forward and do a 2024 same discussion and see how the industry progressed in the past 12 months.
How has USA progressed in terms of EV offerings and transition?
And How has China progressed in terms of EV offerings and transition?
Then we will truly know how quickly the Chinese is forging ahead and leaving everyone else in the dust. (because I can say with an truth, that the USA EV market and OEM's have moved nowhere in the last 12 months), meanwhile China has added a country load of EV's to their street, and added also a country load of Supply and Choice of Models to their industry.
I have kept a close eye on the EV market for 6 years.
I live in NZ where the ute(pickup) is king, opposition to EVs is rabid and we have few options for new EVs over imports.
Tesla is number 1 here. But the perception is that they're just for the rich or for arseholes (which is weird because Ford Ranger drivers are the worst).
But in 2023, the Chinese built BYD Atto 3 is our biggest seller in the EV market.
China is in full transition. They're decarbonising in a way that a 4 year election cycle cannot do. They have a plan and have scaled up already.
South Korea and Tesla are the only ones that are close.
Hyundai are not big enough to compete. Tesla may be hamstrung by Musk's image.
Japan is not in the game.
Europe is too far behind.
GM and Ford are even later to the game.
The way I see it is that the next 10 years is China or Tesla (and China is also Yesla these days).
As long as that cybertruck doesn't screw them. I imagine the delays to that are because that's not where the future is.
What amazes me is how badly Nissan Renault dropped the ball. I was excited by Renault (I was in Europe at the time) before the Leaf came out. But their plan never came about.
Can European legacy companies come to the party? Maybe. But not any time soon.
China is already so far ahead.
While western jerkscare still posting press articles about whether climate change is real, lies about the sustainability of BEVs and pissing around with lies, holding back progress, China forges ahead. Korea and Tesla are also at the forefront, but can they compete with China? Maybe. But they may be the only ones.
Us will put high tariffs on the cars from China. They will not be price competitive with American made cars. I think it would be a bad strategy for Chinese companies to try and import their cars into America.
Loved the US - China EV comparison. Great conversion. Thanks Ricky n Elliott.
I wouldn’t be completely surprised if BYD acquired one of the US legacy auto brands to enter the market
Yeah exactly, this way Mr and Mrs average American wont no or care that their new car is Chinese.
I would. It's not BYD's business model. BYD could cooperate with a US brand but not acquire it. The US government would prevent any such acquisition.
More realistically a legacy automaker may rebrand a BYD model. That would provide BYD with an established dealer network to sell and service their cars.
Brilliant, thought provoking podcast. My big take is the cheap Model 3 in China.
Would be nice to speak about electricity generation, EVs are one half of the picture.
I wouldn't buy from either, I'm on my 5th BEV over 14 years & they were all made in Europe - I'm very happy with that.
With respect, I don't think it's purposeful blissful ignorance on behalf of the American public. I think it's a focused objective from the US government for generations to NOT show that people across the globe do indeed have it as good, but mostly better than the US in many regards which doesn't fit the Government & corporations narrative of keeping the US people "blissfully idgnorant" and thinking they are in the "Best & most Free Country in the World" that no other country can match.
If the citizens think they have the best of everything that can't be surpassed anywhere else then the idea is they won't complain - as they know no better.
It is up to the citizens to broaden their knowledge & luckily, social media is making a positive impact (for a change) in educating many, that other parts of the world - INCLUDING 3rd world countries - actual treat their citizens better. Whether that education wil help in the US is debateable as the corporations dictate the policies instead of the citizens.
I'll get off my soapbox now & enjoy the rest of the video 🤣
Tesla Super Chargers leave every other electric car company in the dust. Tesla may not change the look of their cars but they change the way they are built so they cost less to manufacture allowing Tesla to cut prices and still make more profit than other car companies. The Mexico factory is going to be a game changer for profits, no other car company will be able to compete!!! Elliot's Achilles heel, he is out of the Tesla loop?
Someone please tell Biden not to label BYD as a national security risk. 😊
Keep up to date guys, in China the Tesla Model Y outsells the Huangang Mini death machine by about 25%.
And the Huanggang Mini could not be sold in Europe or the US, without many safety improvements.
And I couldn't believe Ricky didn't know GM are significant shareholders in Wuling.
As I understand it Norman Bethune a Canadian Doctor who Mao liked, drove around China in a Buick and it was seen as the "ultimate car".
I liked your comparison of Apple and Tesla. I like the way they both do things, the models continually improve under the skin but the base is the same (or looks the same). I hope that others see it this way too as it would be a shame if Tesla was forced to start restyling their cars every few years. If your car is pretty ordinary then fair enough, but if you have honed it to Cd0.22 then unless your changes improve on that, leave the outside alone and work on the gubbins you can't see.
On the subject of Tesla price reductions, I'm convinced they have more to do with Tesla passing on the economies of scale they are gaining rather than any external market pressures. It is entirely in keeping with the grand plan Elon has to make electric cars available to all for the good of all.
I think you missed the part where it is Elon's grand plan to sell enough cars so that he can afford to blast himself to Mars - or blow up trying. (The sooner the better)
Geely will be the first in the USA, through Volvo and their USA factories. Technically already through Polestar but that 7500 is going to sting.
I don't think it is fair to say there's no interest in Chinese cars, it's more like there's just no knowledge. Someone needs to educate us about them. Also, make them available here? that'd be helpful too!
Ricky exaggerates Americans' ignorance of Chinese vehicles. My coffee group of retired guys are all interested in unfolding EV choices, but import duties take Chinese-made cars out of the running, so: Why should average Americans know much about Chinese cars? I do, only because I'm an EV nerd.
Great to have you both at Farnborough FC Live 👍
Let’s ignore the slave labour involved in both mining the minerals for the batteries in Africa and manufacturing in China
Most Chinese EVs have lithium iron phosphate batteries that don't require cobalt from the DRC. Not to say that Chinese human rights abuse isn't a thing. But western nations surely don't have a squeaky clean record when it comes to this.
Great chat!! Intrigued how the story about your wife testing a model 3 ended Elliot… 😊
Shouldn't you guys take your chat somewhere else and let other visitors have a go in the Rivian?
The pickup truck love and Rivian SUV love is disappointing content on this particular channel.
So Elliot doesn't REALLY understand Tesla....... 🤷♀️
He's not an engineer. Not a techie. Not even a car guy. Not sure what he's doing there at all apart from finding a partial use for his China connections.
sell to your market.
Ricky, Wgat's with the hand waving? realyl distracting?
Tesla "are not innovating enough." Imagine being a full time EV journalist and not appreciating Tesla's insane rate of innovation. Imagine thinking the similar exterior shape of a car implies no massive changes within it. Sad.
It is hard to squeeze so much intellectual dishonesty in such a short piece. Congratulations!
Explain perhaps? Justify your opinion maybe a little bit?
Intellectual dishonesty or technical ignorance?
Great chin wag
Yes, until you retire, and have to down-size.
You were at the show; we were not, but you didn't even show us the Rivian that you sat in. Bad form ! Bad for Rivian too; they should have been dark on you for that !
Nice piece. Thing is the Chinese have a business park in Mexico that will likely get an auto plant if they can find the water. China already sells cars in the US. They are called Volvos. It would not surprise me to see BYD buy into Lucid or Rivian. They could then make them in China. It will probably take something like that to save both of those companies.
You guys really missed the mark here. None of your points addressed the needed mass adoption of EVs. Failed again.
Sensible people don't love anything just because it's American.
What a deluded way to think.
Elliot, WHY would you order a Chinese EV instead of a Tesla? It’s not like you don’t have the money, so what is the purpose of supporting the CCP?
That's exactly right. Why is he? Why is a consumer with complete freedom to choose where he spends his money, on something else, or Not a Tesla??
Throw politics in your question, and you get a political response.
Throw politics out, and your answer is, BECAUSE THEY MAKE BETTER CARS!
Would you mind being specific, on how any EV is better than a Tesla? Care to throw out some numbers for comparison??
@@TomTom-cm2oq Well if you insist, then here we go.
Aion Hyper HT
480KW charge speed
L3 Autonomous driving, tested and confirmed by experts to be better than FSD.
GT version has 0.197 drag coefficient, with a 11.9kw/100km efficiency both better than any Tesla made.
It has 20+ Dolby atmos certified sound system.
All at the price of cheaper than a Model 3.
Next up,
Nio ET range
500kw charge speed
Way superior luxury as mentioned in video, and this is a 10 month old video.
20+ speakers like the other.
Again, also L3 autonomous driving. Wasn't as good as the Hyper version, but better than FSD.
Nio also comes with best in world aftersales service, NIO House and other benefits like life time charging, battery swap in 90 seconds.
So not only does this charge at twice the speed a Tesla does, it can swap as well in 90 seconds at a bay. Where is Teslas swapping bay?
Now the new Xiaomi Su7,
do I have to keep going? Drag coefficient 0.195, 400KW charge speeds, 800km range (real world usage is 658km), complete suite of tech and comfort.
Would you like me to keep going?
PS. Tesla is stuck on L2+ autonomous driving because they couldn't pass the certifications for L3.
@@TomTom-cm2oq If you really insist:
1. Nio, Aion Hyper GT/HT, Zeekr, Yangwang and many others come with substantially faster charge speed than the highest of Teslas. 480KW, 500KW are a norm.
2. All of the above achieved certified L3 Autonomous Driving, when Tesla is stuck on L2+ and can't get certified for higher. Elliot himself drove these cars, and confirmed their Autonomous Driving is in fact, better than FSD.
3. All of the above have no less than 20+ Speaker, Dolby Atmos certified sound system
4. Aion Hyper GT, cd 0.197 drag co-efficient, drinking only 11.9KW/100km, Better than any Tesla. New Xiaomi SU7 is even better at 0.195.
5. All of the above have hugely superior luxury and premium vehicle feel. Again, confirmed by Elliot and many others.
6. Many Chinese EV's despite using CLTC to rate their range, achieve a REAL WORLD range higher than that of the highest LR Teslas. The 800km CLTC Xiaomi SU7 came back with 650+km real world. Better than that of the Teslas 500 ish km range on its LR Real World usage.
7. Almost all of the above Chinese EV's equipped with advanced APP connectivity, where Vehicle Summons actually work, and can memorise your garage up to 150m for summon and auto pilot parking.
8. Nio and Aion Hyper comes with Battery Swapping capabilities, not only can it charge at 480KW speeds, it also has hundreds of swapping stations in their Turf where it can swap a battery in 90 seconds.
9. Any of the above looks significantly better than the bland Tesla (but that's a personal opinion).
At the end of the day, I can throw out hundreds more reasons why they may be better in my opinion. Some choose to believe it, some will continue to reject their existence and progress. That's exactly what Ricky Roy is saying. "Why is there such a disconnect when it comes to reports about how they are advancing?" No one knows them, how do they go from not known, to suddenly making a car so advanced?? And we won't notice it until it lands on your shore, and it's too late by then.
This is exactly the reason why he said what he said. You can believe what I say or you can visit China and find out yourself or you can continue to bury your head in the sand, like everyone else, and hope to dear lord they don't land in your country and wipe out your Auto Industry.
So the choice is yours. Find out yourself, Believe in Reports, or continue to underestimate what they can do and their competitiveness.
Elliott seems to be pretty out of touch actually.
You guys forgot something... a brand new model3 or y is NOT the same car as an earlier version, because TESLA continually UPDATE and INNOVATE. It took FORD 20 years to sell one million model T fords... Tesla is KILLING it...and with NO advertising. Everything is compared to TESLA. WHy? Because it's the LEADER, and it's unassailable.
stupid idea to rename the brands cause a successfull company does not need it or why could Mercedes and Porsche had such success, even BMW is so close to BYD even though Bayrische Motoren Werke must be far more complicated for an average american than Build Your Dreams - more or less a brand born on the battle field, the german BMW fighting the americans on the western front in france.
And now the marketing genius is saying what ?
The german tanks build by mercedes did not make it then but the cars and trucks considering that freightliner is simply a Mercedes brand like RollsRoyce and Bentley are also brands of VW and BMW, that VW company founded by Adolf Hitler himself and with the advice of Henry Ford that then did not build masses of beetles as it was supposed to but fighting vehicles.
You do not need a special brand for the american market cause if you are strong enough you succeed like dji had shown and all the german brands that conquered US markets - by demand and even with high prices. And it got even better cause Mercedes and Porsche got into the american dna considering that they became icons in the culture for example in the music industry when artist used the brands like andy warhol or Jennis Joplin. On the other hand american software has a dominant market share here without a tiny few exceptions like SAP maybe.
It's ridiculous to compare iPhone to Tesla. Aesthetics play no part in phones
Really? I surely hope you aren’t employed in any field of design.
GM is not connected to the rest of the world?!?!? GM is Opel!
GM sold Opel to Renault-Citroen a couple years ago.
Stellantis owns Opel and Vauxhall now. Here are all the brands owned by Stellantis: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS Automobiles, Fiat (+ Fiat Professional), Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Mopar, Opel, Peugeot, RAM, and Vauxhall.
@@brettstia6988 Peugeot-Citroen, AKA PSA, bought Opel. PSA also essentially bought (although they called it merger) Fiat, which owned Chrysler, to create Stellantis. Renault is a separate company, allied with Nissan.
@@larryevans6739 Oops, Thanks, I mixed in that third French (formerly ?) brand name which is rapidly diminishing in importance, along with GM. Kind of reinforces the point...What will any of this look like in 10 years, especially against the onslaught of Tesla, and maybe more importantly, state-owned Chinese brands ?