I have stayed with Flickr because of its dedication to photography per se and hosting full sized images, rather than extraneous social media crap. I am strictly a hobbyist, so I can ignore the money making aspects of posting to other more widely viewed platforms. My usage falls into three areas: Capital P Photography for the image, the kind of stuff I do in the local camera clubs; documentary photography for other interests like car shows that a few acquaintances will be interested in; and a smattering of images useful in other hobbies, like posting a schematic of an old TV with an arrow saying "check this part" to help some other collector troubleshoot. I never thought of using it to search cameras and lenses, though, and I thank you for that hint!
I’ve been on Flickr since 2012, still there. I have quite a few “Flickr friends” and really enjoy the interactions. My main reason for staying with Flickr is the viewing medium, not a crappy compressed file on a phone, but a full sized good quality image on a monitor. Nice update, you’re right an attempt to attract new blood would be an improvement. Cheers.
I have been a Flicker user since 2010 , a pro user since 2014 . I have 2 sites which I must consolidate ( sometime ) I did have a web site but when you went over 500 photos the price was very high . Introduced to Flickr with a free site made it an easy choice but now a pro user . I really need to sort them out . Now have over six million views on the combined sites . A large range of subjects . Now in my 80's I have slowed down a little as I am a widower i take a lot of coach trips just in the UK .
Totally agree. Flickr is a good place to meet other photo enthusiasts or professionals, always an inspirational place where we can put ours best shots and share them with friends. We (my wife and I) have choose a pro subscription. Thanks for share.
Very timely Andy - I've recently reactivated my Flickr account and upgraded to pro. I was looking for an online hi res storage which I can access on all my devices and share from to family and friends. I also like to download individual photos to my phone then post to social media etc. Still getting used to the album structures and pulic/private settings etc but on the whole it's starting to work for me. I tend to the view that if it's costing someone to provide the service ti's worth paying for!
Interesting video, I liked the comparisons to other sites, as I have wondered about that. I do use Flickr as a means to organize my better images and as an archive not only for my stuff, but for older family photos (digitized) that allows family members to see and copy. I've been an active member since 2009. It is nice for others to indicate they like the images, but as you say, it is not a service that caters to that sort of thing exclusively.
I've been a Flickr Pro member for a few years now and enjoy viewing Flickr content every day. I tried the Instagram thing for a while, but never got on with it and agree with you that Flickr is in good hands if no real changes are made.
Interesting to see your take on Flickr. I reactivated my account on Monday after a 6 year hiatus. I've posted a few photos and have got 40-50 views each compared to several thousand views per photo before I left. I need to rebuild my audience and find new active groups. We'll see how it goes.
Thank you, Andy, for all your videos during the year. I hope that you have a great Christmas with your family and friends. Take some great photos in 2025. Cheers, Peter.
Excellent video, Andy. When I transfer images from my camera to my iPad, they are JPEG and raw. They then go to Flickr. When I download images from Flickr they are still raw plus JPEG. So, I use Flickr for storage purposes and lose no resolution. Keep up your good work!
Flickr is a great research tool for those of us that are hobbyists rather than photographers,I visit everyday to search for inspiration. Thanks to the members that are prepared to upload years old collections I've been able to check many pictures to help me model(railways) accurately. I also pay for a subscription so I can pass on my model project ideas to others. If I could have one wish that would be to have sub albums for my Faves collection, it would save a lot of time trawling back through 74 pages( and growing)of my Faves! And to all those past and present who contributed to Flickr over the years, thankyou.
That is a blast from the past. I decided to sign up. Then I discovered that I am already a member. Just needed a password reset and I logged in. No stored images but according to my profile I joined up in 2010. Anyway, I’m now following you. A local group sounds good. Meanwhile I’ve been browsing some of the work on Flickr and that I’m flabbergasted at the quality of a lot of it would be an understatement. I’m only viewing it on the iPhone at present. So I’m keen on seeing how these images look on my 32” widescreen monitor. It’s not 4K but it should be still good.
I’ve had mine about a year less than you (coming up 19 years now) and use mine as a record of progress for my photography. It’s always good to look back and see where O started with my digital photography and see if I’ve learned anything :) I actively use it, posting once a month or so when I have something mildly interesting to post. One of these days I might even pay for the pro (which is just slightly more than for you here in NZ). If I decide to do it, it will be to purely go past the 1000 photo limit as I really don’t want to get rid of anything. I WANT to keep the less than stellar shots up there with the good ones to show that it is a learning process.
Excellent, been a Pro member since 2006, 177k pictures and more added several times a week. I used to photograph athletics with vast viewing figures, but since I gave that up my figures plummeted. Every now and again there are little problems but they get sorted eventually. I never used Instagram and never will.
I've personally met and made quite a few of my personal friends on Flickr. It was great for organizing in person photo strolls/walks. I just haven't been able to let it go. Still a great place to store images and share images from. If you do create a group, I'd love to join.
Been there for several years and stayed while the short attention span of others moved on to different platforms. Personally, I find it a very interactive site with groups that are active as well as interactive. Best photo sharing site as far as I'm concerned.
I'm currently looking at reactivating my account, at £5 a month in the UK if you pay for a year it's pretty good value for a site you can host images and post elsewhere i.e. forums and the like. In a world where even linkedin models itself on the social network model and algorithms drive for engagement and clicks no matter how worthless the engagement is it's nice to go back to a site that's about hosting a possibly sharing content that's driven by the people sharing and viewing not the platform owner trying to maximise ad revenue.
I've gone back to Flickr this year. Instagram sucks. What I enjoy most is seeing people from poor countries posting photos using 10 year old cameras and learning photography for themselves. It's amazing some of the results they get with such old kit and it's nice to look at something that hasn't been taken by someone who gets a new camera every month and over processes their photos to death. I've even noticed film photographers starting to use it which is great. Coming from the first world myself I've been more inspired to concentrate more on the photos than getting new gear. I followed a mother in India who found a beat up Canon T3 in the landfill next to her neighborhood and she's learning photography in her 50's. There's nothing like that on Instagram.
Hey Andy, you know you might just have hit on a good idea there.... I'm in and can see it being a great adjunct to the channel and a solid two-fingers to the Zuck stuff etc. I only recently didn't renew my sub, simply because of all that tumbleweed.
Sharing is my single biggest reason for paying for Flickr. Both my clients and friends can get quick access to my latest uploads-even download favorites if they like. What I don’t like is how clunky the Organizr portion is. For one, you can’t make the thumbnails any bigger for rearranging photos. And if you do want to move photos inside an album, you’ve got to do it one photo at a time. Very old school. Still, I have a lot of photos there and if I don’t want to download them all, I have to keep paying ransom (I mean a subscription!) to Flickr.
I joined just a few years ago and love all the features you mention. People are civilized there, which makes me dread it becoming "the hot new" old place..
Hello Andy, I logged in while listening. Started in 2006 took a rest from 2009 to 2017, then about 1 photo a year since then. Still a couple people still posting from way back. Think I'll give it a more serious go again. Thanks for the inspiration. Maybe see you there. - tim
Flickr is the only alternative for me (I do have a Pro account since this year, or maybe the last, I can't remember) - because everyone can access my images without an account (no "walled garden")! It was this way with Tumblr in the past (but they changed that some years ago), and Instagram also requires an account for viewers. I don't care about "social media" as a whole, for me Flickr is just a way to show my images with some added features (like albums and comments). And Flickr reads XMP/exif data in a useful way (for me, as I use camera scans of film negatives and can give those the data that will show in Flickr the way I want it). One not so obvious feature I love: I can re-upload (change) photos at any time (comes in handy now and then)! Groups? Well, not my cup of tea, but maybe at some point in the future I might have a look at this feature.
I joined Flickr in 2006 and was active for about 4 years. I returned active for a year in 2015. I posted a couple of photos in 2022, but decided to focus on instagram. The traffic on instagram is great, but I don’t get the sense of community, and the adds and content they push on my stream are irritating. I really hate instagram now. I might be lured back to Flicker if I could find a small community I could engage with. Would be interested in your group
Everything you said about the status of Flickr is true, especially the bad situation about finding active groups. Discussions are not used in almost any group, no matter how active the user base in this group is. It’s mostly used, when people complain why their image was rejected in a moderated group. If have always had Flickr as my main sharing site. Archiving inactive groups is not as simple as it sounds. For moderated groups, yes. If the Admins has not been active for more than 12 months, maybe. But there still could be active moderators. For all other groups? Just impossible, because discussions are not a good way to measure how active a group is. I will stick with Flickr although I wish there were some serious improvements. But I really like the non-algorithm driven concept. VERO and glass use this as well. The groups are a good concept, but just look how many macro groups are there, it's insane for someone new. Also I wonder, how many new users are coming to Flickr these days (and stay for longer than 3 months. I haven’t found a site which is better for my needs though. The coupon code might only be available for users without an active subscription. My subscription ends at Dec 27th right now and I can’t use it
Yea, despite the flaws it's still the best place to share photographs I think. I guess the distinction is that Flickr's for photographers and Insta's for content creators.
Once I learned what groups fit what I like about the photography I do, I've enjoyed the Flicker experience. I pay for the Pro account and enjoy viewing the photographs of the folks I follow.
Somehow my account was deleted during Covid. However, I was able to rebuild it to the way it was before its deletion. I still actively use it (same account name as my RUclips username).
I've never left Flickr. I was there for years. Even stayed past the 1000 pic limit. And pay for Pro. I have Deviantart too, but I only upload my designs and drawings. Uploading process isn't great, so I don't bother duplicating everything. But on Flickr I upload everything. I love Flickr. There's a massive user base too, I see car photography is massive there. Even trucks, firetruck, and various vehicles. Plenty of groups. I love that it has a map, so one can see where pic was taken.
I continue to support Flickr. I've been a "PRO" member since 2010. It's great for photo sharing, hosting and viewing. It's also great that a lot of the photos have full exif data. It's not great for conversation other than discussing the photos. The terrible part is the proliferation of unmoderated zombie groups. You win some, you lose some, I guess.
I've been a dedicated Flickr user since 2007. I’ve looked at, and dabbled with, a few of the others but none of them provide the same enjoyment for me that Flickr does.
I'm another person who never left. I get that some people didn't like some actions from the various owners, but a lot of the negativity was around "what might happen". Meanwhile, I've continued to pay for a Pro account excepting the free period, and the first photo I uploaded in 2006 is still there, unadulterated in any way. Also, you said they hadn't changed anything, but they have. They've not added new features or fundamentally changed existing ones, but there has been a decent amount of "spit and polish" since SmugMug bought it. A fair video, on the whole, but it was evident you were one of the ones who has not stuck around.
No, I definitely didn't stick around. I did visit it semi-regularly because it was used as evidence in several cases that Pixsy litigated for me against people using my photographs illegally - but I certainly wasn't active on the site.
Keep in mind most pics are edited removing imperfections, I use Lightroom, Photoshop. Mine are unless otherwise stated. Bu yes if it's straight out of camera samples it's nice. There are camera and lens reviewers on Flickr doing this. Keep in mind blacks are compressed on the preview, very noticible on a wid egamjy monitor, but if you look at full size that's not the case. But that's the only compressing I noticed.
I've been a memember since 2009 with a love-hate relationship. I feel that Smugmug hasn't done much for Flickr, other than upping the fees. They changed the interface a little here and there, but nothing much. They keep milking the service. I really like the big photos, and real photographer user expericence in Flickr. I am also a member of Smugmug, and I may stop paying for that soon, it is quite expensive. I hope Flickr will improve and become valid in 2025 and onwards.
I've been a Flickr user for >15 years, mainly as an archive and diary. I love the albums and groups though disappointed Smugmug haven't improved it. Some things you have to do on a computer.
@ Some I made, some I took over. Not very much discussion, except “in explore”, which I co-lead. Flickrology and the new unofficial Help Forum (neither mine) are the most active discussion groups. There are also some critique groups, very active challenge groups with weekly themes, award ladder groups. Several groups have threads with variations on Chain Gang; e.g., “get the picture”, where whoever posts a photo on the requested theme gets to ask for the next one. I asked to see successful afforestation once. 😃 I made 20% Solution (only Faves/Views > 20% with at least 20 faves), Verticality (only portrait orientation), Anthropocene (each photo showing both Nature and Culture). Rescued Karma Photography (people), Sublime Shapes (geometry), Architecture Unlimited, Fast Glass, Visual Haiku. Flickr has fixed a few things, but the prevalence of Zombie groups-still open, but with absentee admins who don’t enforce the group theme-is annoying. Drop in and say hello some time!
Flickr is still the best. I'm clocking in at 18 years on Flickr now. This week, I actually deleted by Instagram account permanently. Done with the social media crap. Done with the crappy Only Fan bots. The shit people with their toxicity. Done with Meta's ridiculous content moderation.
I've come close a few times. I only keep it open because I have contacts on there in the tourism industry that I sell photos to - otherwise I'd have deleted it a long time ago.
I've been a Flickr contributor since 2012 during which time my enthusiasm for ccoFlickr has waned. But I admit to adding a few protographs quite regularly. Importantly, no longer do I subscribe to other photographers, and I have made it clear that I'm no enamoured with other photographers boldly eulogising the merits of "Likes", joining "Groupa" in large numbers, and repeating meanigless "comments", and taking humbrage when "comments" are challenged. However, Flickr, and this is for me the rub, insists on dreaming up more, and more, irritating means of trying to convince it's non "PRO" contributors to part with their hard earned money. Much like your commentary in this video and the blazing hot red, orange landscapes hanging on your walls, the video does little to convince me to reconsider. I'll probably, God willing, around to witness whether Flickr will reinvent itself and succeed in attracting new contributors in the numbers to make any difference to Flickr's present woes. If so I'll drop you a line and extend my hand in concilliation.
Flickr is dead I have been posting there since 2007 still do. To test in 2019 i started a second account after seeing an interview with the guy that runs it. It was as dead as I thought if you are lucky an image gets one view. The 2007 account is almost the same in the past six months I have almost stopped using it.
As Flickr is not driven by algorithms, no one will see your photos, if you have no followers and if you are not posting them in groups. Posting them in relevant, active groups is the only way until you have a base of active followers. Flickr is not dead by any means. You need to use it in the way it’s supposed to be used.
@@Sven-R Thanks for the comment. Yeah my first account I have followers and I do still post to active groups. The second account I deliberately do not post to groups and have very few followers both account perform very similar. Because of this I set up a website which generates more traffic than Flickr I do not like the you follow for follow thing and do prefer sites that do not rely on algorithms. Thanks again.
Flickr is wonderfully BS free. The troll factor is low and doesn’t pretend anything more than a reliable place to store and display images. It excels at that.
There're three types of photographer... A) The professional : They will shoot anything for cash. B) The creative : They push the boundaries of what defines photography. C) The hobbyist, who produce the same polished, yet inert images every other hobbyist produces.
@@Andyhutchinson I use FB and Insta but they're anything but suitable. Also on a couple of sites that bring models, photographers together. Flickr does sound much better in theory.
Flickr has been threatening me for months. I'm not as active as I have been so I don't need to pay for an upgraded account. I wish they would just cancel my account and be done with it.
The problem with Flickr is that they delete your photo's if you end your subscription. Flickr cost about 66 Euro a year. If i'm living another 40 years and don't want they delete my photo's it cost me 2640 euro. That's a lot of money for storage.
They said they would but they haven't actually done it. I had a huge number of photos on there and they were all intact even though I didn't pay a cent.
@@Andyhutchinson That may be the case for old users in the past. Will new Pro users get the same treatment when they end there Pro subscription? Anyway, I think it's to expensive.
I’ve always been with Flickr based on the idea that the nob heads would bugger off to trendy sites, but the world will ultimately always moderate itself and ‘steady as she goes’ will always be the best option.
I don't like the current page layouts is my only issue with Flickr. They've made it increasingly a clunky chore to navigate and parse. Their design choices probably increase page time interaction and appeal to iPad users or something, but for many it's just annoying to use.
Instagram barred me, for reasons unknown! A apology but yet no way in! I said to Instagram, OK I'll delete my images! Inst. said I was threatening them!! So I don't bother to get back. Flickr is nice! No vile comments.
Instagram is no longer a photography platform. It's a blogging platform. It has been for years. It's a terrible platform although some of the content is good. I can't wait to leave it.
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Flickr is the best place for a photographer!!! Excellent video Andy!!!
Thank-you kindly :)
I have stayed with Flickr because of its dedication to photography per se and hosting full sized images, rather than extraneous social media crap. I am strictly a hobbyist, so I can ignore the money making aspects of posting to other more widely viewed platforms.
My usage falls into three areas: Capital P Photography for the image, the kind of stuff I do in the local camera clubs; documentary photography for other interests like car shows that a few acquaintances will be interested in; and a smattering of images useful in other hobbies, like posting a schematic of an old TV with an arrow saying "check this part" to help some other collector troubleshoot.
I never thought of using it to search cameras and lenses, though, and I thank you for that hint!
No worries. :)
I have been a member since 2009 and continue to post. Always fun to see how my photography has evolved. So glad to see this video.
I do regret nuking my account in 2012 and starting from scratch.
I’ve been on Flickr since 2012, still there. I have quite a few “Flickr friends” and really enjoy the interactions. My main reason for staying with Flickr is the viewing medium, not a crappy compressed file on a phone, but a full sized good quality image on a monitor. Nice update, you’re right an attempt to attract new blood would be an improvement. Cheers.
I hear you about the photo quality - was always the main drawcard for me.
I have been a Flicker user since 2010 , a pro user since 2014 . I have 2 sites which I must consolidate ( sometime ) I did have a web site but when you went over 500 photos the price was very high . Introduced to Flickr with a free site made it an easy choice but now a pro user . I really need to sort them out . Now have over six million views on the combined sites . A large range of subjects . Now in my 80's I have slowed down a little as I am a widower i take a lot of coach trips just in the UK .
I've just been weeding out my old account for that exact reason :)
Totally agree. Flickr is a good place to meet other photo enthusiasts or professionals, always an inspirational place where we can put ours best shots and share them with friends. We (my wife and I) have choose a pro subscription. Thanks for share.
I just signed back up to Pro today. :)
Very timely Andy - I've recently reactivated my Flickr account and upgraded to pro. I was looking for an online hi res storage which I can access on all my devices and share from to family and friends. I also like to download individual photos to my phone then post to social media etc. Still getting used to the album structures and pulic/private settings etc but on the whole it's starting to work for me. I tend to the view that if it's costing someone to provide the service ti's worth paying for!
Yea I'm feeling my way back in as well. Feels nice to be back on there.
Interesting video, I liked the comparisons to other sites, as I have wondered about that. I do use Flickr as a means to organize my better images and as an archive not only for my stuff, but for older family photos (digitized) that allows family members to see and copy. I've been an active member since 2009. It is nice for others to indicate they like the images, but as you say, it is not a service that caters to that sort of thing exclusively.
I've been a Flickr Pro member for a few years now and enjoy viewing Flickr content every day. I tried the Instagram thing for a while, but never got on with it and agree with you that Flickr is in good hands if no real changes are made.
Instagram's just a TikTok alternative these days - not a photo sharing platform. :)
Interesting to see your take on Flickr. I reactivated my account on Monday after a 6 year hiatus. I've posted a few photos and have got 40-50 views each compared to several thousand views per photo before I left. I need to rebuild my audience and find new active groups. We'll see how it goes.
Thanks Michael. I think as long as none of us expect any miracles, we'll be right.
Thank you, Andy, for all your videos during the year. I hope that you have a great Christmas with your family and friends. Take some great photos in 2025. Cheers, Peter.
Thanks Peter - appreciate it :)
Excellent video, Andy. When I transfer images from my camera to my iPad, they are JPEG and raw. They then go to Flickr. When I download images from Flickr they are still raw plus JPEG. So, I use Flickr for storage purposes and lose no resolution. Keep up your good work!
Wait, so you can upload full RAWs to Flickr now? Or is that just iPad HEIC images? Definitely going to check it out. :)
@ When I download a raw file from Flickr, both my iPad and Lightroom mobile tell me it’s raw
Flickr is a great research tool for those of us that are hobbyists rather than photographers,I visit everyday to search for inspiration. Thanks to the members that are prepared to upload years old collections I've been able to check many pictures to help me model(railways) accurately. I also pay for a subscription so I can pass on my model project ideas to others. If I could have one wish that would be to have sub albums for my Faves collection, it would save a lot of time trawling back through 74 pages( and growing)of my Faves!
And to all those past and present who contributed to Flickr over the years, thankyou.
Quite a few interesting use-cases in these comments. :)
That is a blast from the past. I decided to sign up. Then I discovered that I am already a member. Just needed a password reset and I logged in. No stored images but according to my profile I joined up in 2010.
Anyway, I’m now following you. A local group sounds good.
Meanwhile I’ve been browsing some of the work on Flickr and that I’m flabbergasted at the quality of a lot of it would be an understatement.
I’m only viewing it on the iPhone at present. So I’m keen on seeing how these images look on my 32” widescreen monitor. It’s not 4K but it should be still good.
Cheers. I'll be setting something up over the xmas/ny period. :)
I’ve had mine about a year less than you (coming up 19 years now) and use mine as a record of progress for my photography. It’s always good to look back and see where O started with my digital photography and see if I’ve learned anything :) I actively use it, posting once a month or so when I have something mildly interesting to post. One of these days I might even pay for the pro (which is just slightly more than for you here in NZ). If I decide to do it, it will be to purely go past the 1000 photo limit as I really don’t want to get rid of anything. I WANT to keep the less than stellar shots up there with the good ones to show that it is a learning process.
I bit the bullet earlier today and ponied up for two years with the discount code.
Excellent, been a Pro member since 2006, 177k pictures and more added several times a week. I used to photograph athletics with vast viewing figures, but since I gave that up my figures plummeted. Every now and again there are little problems but they get sorted eventually. I never used Instagram and never will.
Woah - that's some archive.
Thanks, fam. I forgot how cool Flickr is/was 15 years ago. Respect.
lol - no worries :)
I've personally met and made quite a few of my personal friends on Flickr. It was great for organizing in person photo strolls/walks. I just haven't been able to let it go. Still a great place to store images and share images from. If you do create a group, I'd love to join.
I'll post on here if I do. Given how popular this video's proving to be I think there's a fair bit of latent interest out there. :)
@andyclement, you met me on Flickr!
I went back to Flickr this year. I find that discussions section is pretty quiet, which is fine by me; it's the photos themselves that I'm after.
Nice. Why'd you go back?
@@Andyhutchinson The other photo-sharing sites just don't do photos justice, IMHO, and seem much more focused on "social".
Been there for several years and stayed while the short attention span of others moved on to different platforms. Personally, I find it a very interactive site with groups that are active as well as interactive. Best photo sharing site as far as I'm concerned.
I'm currently looking at reactivating my account, at £5 a month in the UK if you pay for a year it's pretty good value for a site you can host images and post elsewhere i.e. forums and the like. In a world where even linkedin models itself on the social network model and algorithms drive for engagement and clicks no matter how worthless the engagement is it's nice to go back to a site that's about hosting a possibly sharing content that's driven by the people sharing and viewing not the platform owner trying to maximise ad revenue.
Yea, it's not terrible value, given that it's all-you-can-eat. :)
I've gone back to Flickr this year. Instagram sucks. What I enjoy most is seeing people from poor countries posting photos using 10 year old cameras and learning photography for themselves. It's amazing some of the results they get with such old kit and it's nice to look at something that hasn't been taken by someone who gets a new camera every month and over processes their photos to death. I've even noticed film photographers starting to use it which is great. Coming from the first world myself I've been more inspired to concentrate more on the photos than getting new gear. I followed a mother in India who found a beat up Canon T3 in the landfill next to her neighborhood and she's learning photography in her 50's. There's nothing like that on Instagram.
An interesting take - thanks Steve.
Hey Andy, you know you might just have hit on a good idea there.... I'm in and can see it being a great adjunct to the channel and a solid two-fingers to the Zuck stuff etc. I only recently didn't renew my sub, simply because of all that tumbleweed.
Thanks mate - I just bit the bullet and paid for pro for the first time in a looooooooong time. Watch this space. :)
Sharing is my single biggest reason for paying for Flickr. Both my clients and friends can get quick access to my latest uploads-even download favorites if they like. What I don’t like is how clunky the Organizr portion is. For one, you can’t make the thumbnails any bigger for rearranging photos. And if you do want to move photos inside an album, you’ve got to do it one photo at a time. Very old school. Still, I have a lot of photos there and if I don’t want to download them all, I have to keep paying ransom (I mean a subscription!) to Flickr.
Sometimes old school is the best. :)
I joined just a few years ago and love all the features you mention. People are civilized there, which makes me dread it becoming "the hot new" old place..
I don't think it's ever going to be what it was in the late '00s.
Hello Andy, I logged in while listening. Started in 2006 took a rest from 2009 to 2017, then about 1 photo a year since then. Still a couple people still posting from way back. Think I'll give it a more serious go again. Thanks for the inspiration. Maybe see you there. - tim
Cheers Tim. Seems like this subject hit a chord with a few people, for sure.
Flickr is the only alternative for me (I do have a Pro account since this year, or maybe the last, I can't remember) - because everyone can access my images without an account (no "walled garden")! It was this way with Tumblr in the past (but they changed that some years ago), and Instagram also requires an account for viewers. I don't care about "social media" as a whole, for me Flickr is just a way to show my images with some added features (like albums and comments). And Flickr reads XMP/exif data in a useful way (for me, as I use camera scans of film negatives and can give those the data that will show in Flickr the way I want it). One not so obvious feature I love: I can re-upload (change) photos at any time (comes in handy now and then)! Groups? Well, not my cup of tea, but maybe at some point in the future I might have a look at this feature.
Yea, the public access to images is an important point.
I joined Flickr in 2006 and was active for about 4 years. I returned active for a year in 2015. I posted a couple of photos in 2022, but decided to focus on instagram. The traffic on instagram is great, but I don’t get the sense of community, and the adds and content they push on my stream are irritating. I really hate instagram now. I might be lured back to Flicker if I could find a small community I could engage with. Would be interested in your group
Cheers Eric - I'll get something going over the holiday period.
Everything you said about the status of Flickr is true, especially the bad situation about finding active groups. Discussions are not used in almost any group, no matter how active the user base in this group is. It’s mostly used, when people complain why their image was rejected in a moderated group. If have always had Flickr as my main sharing site. Archiving inactive groups is not as simple as it sounds. For moderated groups, yes. If the Admins has not been active for more than 12 months, maybe. But there still could be active moderators. For all other groups? Just impossible, because discussions are not a good way to measure how active a group is.
I will stick with Flickr although I wish there were some serious improvements. But I really like the non-algorithm driven concept. VERO and glass use this as well. The groups are a good concept, but just look how many macro groups are there, it's insane for someone new. Also I wonder, how many new users are coming to Flickr these days (and stay for longer than 3 months. I haven’t found a site which is better for my needs though.
The coupon code might only be available for users without an active subscription. My subscription ends at Dec 27th right now and I can’t use it
Yea, despite the flaws it's still the best place to share photographs I think. I guess the distinction is that Flickr's for photographers and Insta's for content creators.
Once I learned what groups fit what I like about the photography I do, I've enjoyed the Flicker experience. I pay for the Pro account and enjoy viewing the photographs of the folks I follow.
Cheers Chuck - just setting it all up again myself :)
Think I might give flckr a go, thanks Andy!
No worries :)
Somehow my account was deleted during Covid. However, I was able to rebuild it to the way it was before its deletion. I still actively use it (same account name as my RUclips username).
I have just re-downloaded it after this video. Now, can I remember my log in details?
lol - my password had appeared in about 20 hack lists. :)
@ and I have already re-delivered it
I've never left Flickr. I was there for years. Even stayed past the 1000 pic limit. And pay for Pro.
I have Deviantart too, but I only upload my designs and drawings. Uploading process isn't great, so I don't bother duplicating everything. But on Flickr I upload everything. I love Flickr. There's a massive user base too, I see car photography is massive there. Even trucks, firetruck, and various vehicles. Plenty of groups.
I love that it has a map, so one can see where pic was taken.
Just clocked up 23 years on DeviantArt. Used to upload app skins for Stardock customisers back in the day. And wallpapers. Loads of wallpapers.
I continue to support Flickr. I've been a "PRO" member since 2010. It's great for photo sharing, hosting and viewing. It's also great that a lot of the photos have full exif data. It's not great for conversation other than discussing the photos. The terrible part is the proliferation of unmoderated zombie groups. You win some, you lose some, I guess.
Yea - those dusty groups aren't a good look.
I've been a dedicated Flickr user since 2007. I’ve looked at, and dabbled with, a few of the others but none of them provide the same enjoyment for me that Flickr does.
It's had a few pretenders over the years, that's for sure.
I'm another person who never left. I get that some people didn't like some actions from the various owners, but a lot of the negativity was around "what might happen". Meanwhile, I've continued to pay for a Pro account excepting the free period, and the first photo I uploaded in 2006 is still there, unadulterated in any way. Also, you said they hadn't changed anything, but they have. They've not added new features or fundamentally changed existing ones, but there has been a decent amount of "spit and polish" since SmugMug bought it. A fair video, on the whole, but it was evident you were one of the ones who has not stuck around.
No, I definitely didn't stick around. I did visit it semi-regularly because it was used as evidence in several cases that Pixsy litigated for me against people using my photographs illegally - but I certainly wasn't active on the site.
Good suggestion! My account has been inactive for ten years, and I checked it is still there, and I can still login.
Blow the dust off :)
Hi Andy, In that case, I will be joining your group ! Has been on Flickr since the "happy" Covid days in 2020.
Cheers. This video's blown up a bit so it looks like there's a fair bit of interest.
I use Flickr to see a lens, or camera, and the quality that was there. I find it to be a great way to do my research!
Keep in mind most pics are edited removing imperfections, I use Lightroom, Photoshop. Mine are unless otherwise stated. Bu yes if it's straight out of camera samples it's nice. There are camera and lens reviewers on Flickr doing this. Keep in mind blacks are compressed on the preview, very noticible on a wid egamjy monitor, but if you look at full size that's not the case. But that's the only compressing I noticed.
Yep - it's great for reseach.
I've been a memember since 2009 with a love-hate relationship. I feel that Smugmug hasn't done much for Flickr, other than upping the fees. They changed the interface a little here and there, but nothing much. They keep milking the service. I really like the big photos, and real photographer user expericence in Flickr. I am also a member of Smugmug, and I may stop paying for that soon, it is quite expensive. I hope Flickr will improve and become valid in 2025 and onwards.
Yep, fingers crossed :)
I've been a Flickr user for >15 years, mainly as an archive and diary. I love the albums and groups though disappointed Smugmug haven't improved it. Some things you have to do on a computer.
Could do with some TLC.
Flickr member since 2007, very active most years since, running several active groups. Walrustexas 😎
Nice one. Are they active old groups or active new groups?
@ Some I made, some I took over. Not very much discussion, except “in explore”, which I co-lead. Flickrology and the new unofficial Help Forum (neither mine) are the most active discussion groups. There are also some critique groups, very active challenge groups with weekly themes, award ladder groups. Several groups have threads with variations on Chain Gang; e.g., “get the picture”, where whoever posts a photo on the requested theme gets to ask for the next one. I asked to see successful afforestation once. 😃 I made 20% Solution (only Faves/Views > 20% with at least 20 faves), Verticality (only portrait orientation), Anthropocene (each photo showing both Nature and Culture). Rescued Karma Photography (people), Sublime Shapes (geometry), Architecture Unlimited, Fast Glass, Visual Haiku. Flickr has fixed a few things, but the prevalence of Zombie groups-still open, but with absentee admins who don’t enforce the group theme-is annoying. Drop in and say hello some time!
Flickr is still the best. I'm clocking in at 18 years on Flickr now.
This week, I actually deleted by Instagram account permanently. Done with the social media crap. Done with the crappy Only Fan bots. The shit people with their toxicity. Done with Meta's ridiculous content moderation.
I've come close a few times. I only keep it open because I have contacts on there in the tourism industry that I sell photos to - otherwise I'd have deleted it a long time ago.
I've been a Flickr contributor since 2012 during which time my enthusiasm for ccoFlickr has waned. But I admit to adding a few protographs quite regularly. Importantly, no longer do I subscribe to other photographers, and I have made it clear that I'm no enamoured with other photographers boldly eulogising the merits of "Likes", joining "Groupa" in large numbers, and repeating meanigless "comments", and taking humbrage when "comments" are challenged. However, Flickr, and this is for me the rub, insists on dreaming up more, and more, irritating means of trying to convince it's non "PRO" contributors to part with their hard earned money. Much like your commentary in this video and the blazing hot red, orange landscapes hanging on your walls, the video does little to convince me to reconsider. I'll probably, God willing, around to witness whether Flickr will reinvent itself and succeed in attracting new contributors in the numbers to make any difference to Flickr's present woes. If so I'll drop you a line and extend my hand in concilliation.
Certainly going to be interesting to see if they ever get round to a redesign.
Flickr is dead I have been posting there since 2007 still do. To test in 2019 i started a second account after seeing an interview with the guy that runs it. It was as dead as I thought if you are lucky an image gets one view. The 2007 account is almost the same in the past six months I have almost stopped using it.
As Flickr is not driven by algorithms, no one will see your photos, if you have no followers and if you are not posting them in groups. Posting them in relevant, active groups is the only way until you have a base of active followers. Flickr is not dead by any means. You need to use it in the way it’s supposed to be used.
@@Sven-R Thanks for the comment. Yeah my first account I have followers and I do still post to active groups. The second account I deliberately do not post to groups and have very few followers both account perform very similar. Because of this I set up a website which generates more traffic than Flickr I do not like the you follow for follow thing and do prefer sites that do not rely on algorithms. Thanks again.
Flickr is wonderfully BS free. The troll factor is low and doesn’t pretend anything more than a reliable place to store and display images. It excels at that.
It's weird how it just became forgotten about apart from the faithful keeping the lights on.
I've been a Pro member since 2005. Still regularly upload photos.
Nice one. :)
I still use my account for sharing photos including posting links on Facebook
Certainly far better quality than FB
There're three types of photographer...
A) The professional : They will shoot anything for cash.
B) The creative : They push the boundaries of what defines photography.
C) The hobbyist, who produce the same polished, yet inert images every other hobbyist produces.
After being recommended by a photographer friend, I tried joining last year. TBH I found it so complicated all round and in the end I just gave up.
What did you use instead?
@@Andyhutchinson I use FB and Insta but they're anything but suitable. Also on a couple of sites that bring models, photographers together. Flickr does sound much better in theory.
I never left Flickr it is better than Instagram with its minimal possibility to place photos.
Yea but literally *everything* is better than Instagram :)
Flickr has been threatening me for months. I'm not as active as I have been so I don't need to pay for an upgraded account. I wish they would just cancel my account and be done with it.
I believe you can request deletion.
The problem with Flickr is that they delete your photo's if you end your subscription. Flickr cost about 66 Euro a year. If i'm living another 40 years and don't want they delete my photo's it cost me 2640 euro. That's a lot of money for storage.
They said they would but they haven't actually done it. I had a huge number of photos on there and they were all intact even though I didn't pay a cent.
@@Andyhutchinson That may be the case for old users in the past. Will new Pro users get the same treatment when they end there Pro subscription? Anyway, I think it's to expensive.
@@TheArtofGrain love the monochrome shots on your Flickr photostream - particularly that one in the airport where they're all looking in their bags.
I’ve always been with Flickr based on the idea that the nob heads would bugger off to trendy sites, but the world will ultimately always moderate itself and ‘steady as she goes’ will always be the best option.
Haha - nothing trendy about Insta - pretty much the opposite ;)
Been on Flickr since 2008 - but it’s going through it’s usual phase of not registering views or comments 🤦♂️
Good idea !
I don't like the current page layouts is my only issue with Flickr. They've made it increasingly a clunky chore to navigate and parse. Their design choices probably increase page time interaction and appeal to iPad users or something, but for many it's just annoying to use.
That's a shame - maybe the desktop-first thing isn't always best.
Instagram barred me, for reasons unknown! A apology but yet no way in! I said to Instagram, OK I'll delete my images! Inst. said I was threatening them!! So I don't bother to get back. Flickr is nice! No vile comments.
You're not missing anything - Instagram might have started as a photo sharing app, but it stopped being that a decade ago. :)
Yes I would love you to create a Flickr group as I would join it.
I just paid for Pro so expect an annoucement. :)
VERO can accept raw files
I am on as a pro. I wish more people would make comments.
Maybe it'll happen. :)
Most comments are something like "Seen and admired in group xyz". Do you give individual comments on many images?
@@Sven-R I did, now a days just check the box!
I might look at my old account too
Blew the cobwebs off :)
I am so tried of ads they are everywhere
Indeed.
Check out the categories for posting your “best shot” for 2024.
i loke flickr . i have had account since 2010 , i wish it luck.
Me too. It deserves to carry on.
Somehow I got unsubscribed it seems. 🙄
lol - welcome back :)
Blockbuster. 😆
The one and only. :)
Instagram is no longer a photography platform. It's a blogging platform. It has been for years. It's a terrible platform although some of the content is good. I can't wait to leave it.
Flikr is 99% full of shitty amateur photos. oo find any serious photos is a chore. I long gave it up
I guess the amateur thing is true - not the shitty bit though - there's some outstanding photography on there.