Polish Cavalry Charge German Tanks! Poland vs Germany! AJ's Bolt Action Series - Ep. 2
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AngryJoe's Brand New Polish Army takes on a German Blitzkrieg! Can a Calvary charge, a Tankette and a Dual-Turret Light tank stop the German War Machine in a last stand? Find out as explore the World of Historical Tabletop Wargaming in partnership with Warlord games the leading company in the hobby!
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Contrary to stereotypes and myths (It's about the alleged charges of Polish cavalrymen with sabers and lances on German tanks, which are a product of Goebbels' propaganda).
Polish cavalrymen (chaulevers, uhlans and mounted riflemen) did not fight like medieval knights, attacking on horseback with a lance in their hand, but rather like motorized infantry. "Cavalry moves on horseback, fights on foot" - said the pre-war instruction. Horses were primarily used for fast movement, providing maneuverability unavailable to infantry units. At the same time, they allowed to operate where the lack of roads prevented the use of cars.
Equipped with anti-tank weapons, fighting based on their own fortifications, the Polish cavalry destroyed about 100 German armored vehicles in just one day. And it made the German division, after losing over 1,000 men, incapable of action for the next two days.
As for the 7TP tank
The Polish army in 1939 used primarily a single-turret version equipped with a 37 mm bofors gun (100+ tanks)
There were no more than 25 tanks in the twin-turret version.
Not to mention early WW2 tanks were lackluster in quality. The most common anti-tank weapons used in Winter-War were a combo of jamming a wooden log on the tracks and Molotov Cocktail to the exhaust behind the tank. Winter War was also where the nickname "Molotov Cocktail" came from.
And to add to this great comment: Almost every single country used horses, germans weren't as motorized as they wanted people to think. Only country to come even close to that was the US.
During Polish-Soviet war of 1920 Poles used French FT-17 Renault tanks. They proved to be slow and not as mobile/versatile as cavalry in the vast eastern front. That was one of the reasons Polish Army command thought cavalry was the answer for fast-moving mobile fronts and genuinely thought tanks had their place at static fronts of WW1, not in the mobile and vast plains of Poland/Russia.
Polish cavalry armed with anti-tank rifles and grenades, was actually extremely dangerous to tanks.
They made great scouts and would ride to take great positions, dismount and fire. They only charged if they caught men by surprise. It was two Italian war reporters that made up the cavalry vs tanks thing. Never happened.
never expected Śmingus dyngus to be mentioned. Impressed with Joe's knowledge of Polish holidays XD
the whipping tho i've never heard of this :D
Fun fact: great timing, tomorrow is Polish Armed Forces Day and the anniversary of the Battle of Warsaw, "The Miracle over Vistula", from Polish-Soviet war of 1920. :)
But I must say: incredible ahistorical stereotypes. Such charges never had place, and the cavalry was equipped with modern anti-tank rifles and were used as a highly mobile infantry.
AJ: "No! Don't blow up my titty tank!"
Also AJ 10 mins later: "Jay, don't cry, I'm just blowing up your tank."
This, right here.....
Big heart from Poland to Joe and his crew! ✌🏻
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Love the Bolt Action Series! Please more of it. As a Side Note for Joe: Despite the Heroic stand of the Polish Army, Polish Cavalry deliberatly charging against German tanks is somwhat of a debunked urban myth. As a Polish historian asked about it once put it: Do you really think we would have been that reckless or stupid? Btw Poland wasnt the only Faction using Cavalry after WW1. Russian Army used them during the whole WW2 as recon and flanking units and even the Germans used Cavalry like the infamous SS Florian Geyer Division against Partisans in the rear.
Do I remember correctly that this myth was based on historical event when Polish cavalry attacked resting tank crews?
That is actually half truth, they flanked artillery stands with cavalry and there were about 2 or 3 tanks with resting crews. Attack was succesful, and then it grown into a myth that they defeated tanks with horses
@@andrzejmisiewicz85 I was reffering a History Chanel Documentary based on War diarys of Polish Soldiers and Officers during the Bzura Counter attacks. They statet that dismounted Cavalary Units while acting as flank/rearguard do encounter Recon elements of German Panzer units with some Armored Cars and some Panzer I and II but never charged them on Horseback knowing to well that they have no direct means of harming them but do try to delay them by Grenades and Machingun fire on their vision blocks.
@@andrzejmisiewicz85 there were two high-profile cases of Polish cavalry charges in WW2. One against sleeping artillery group which was taken by surprise and routed, the second was the only time cavalry actually fought armoured vehicles directly: it was to cover a retreat for an infantry squad, it wasn't actual combat.
Cavalry was equipped with long-barelled anti-tank rifles and they were used in a similar way as modern mobile mechanised infantry squads: moving to where they are needed quickly through hard terrain, dismounting, fighting and then leaving.
But the Germans had lots of cavalry too in early stages of WWII. It was just an infantry that could move faster, they didn't use horses during the battles.
Germans used horses to the wars end. They did not have the transports they needed overall.
@@Gaunt877 And eventually as a food source.
If by lots you mean almost none, yes. Germans used horses to pull artillery and wagons. They had a small amount of Cavalry, not like Poland, USSR or France.
Never fight against.... Finland or Poland :)
Finish or Polish soldiers are like Spartans.
Bolt Action is one of the best tabletop games out there. Should be getting more love! Thanks for helping to spread the word!
Best wishes from Poland!
keep making these regardless of viewership its awesome to see one of my favorite youtubers play an awesome wargame
True, its not one of the most exciting content watching guys playing boardgames. But if thats what make them happy!
In Hearts of Iron II, those polish calvary are very deadly. Historically though it was the polish armor division that nearly stopped the blitz dead in its tracks. in an act of desparation, the German commander of an antiair artillery unit ordered the fuses remove from their flak rounds and had his AA guns shoot the tanks instead of the aircraft. The 88s proved very effective as AntiArmor artillery and spent the remainder of the war operating in a dual role fighting planes and tanks alike. Without the 88s though the war may have ended a hell of a lot sooner 🤪
First episode you had my curiosity, now you have my attention.
Here before the "BOOO! MAKE THE THING I WANT " kids
I mean her earned that type of community lol
Love the look of the game. But that 'I am going to quit if you do this' really represented the community 😅😅
As a Pole i approve of this skirmish
Adding Kedyw unit to the Polish Early War army is as historical as adding Volksturm to the invasion of France scenario :D
There is sometimes a bit of leyway with the kedyw, because without them the best AT the polish have is a light auto cannon tankette. or the howitzers. xD
Excellent battle report! Can’t wait to see the next one!!
The Polish cavalry never charged the tanks - this is an invention of propaganda. Horses were used mainly as a means of transport, and soldiers fought mainly as ordinary infantry.
@AJ !!! This reminds me of those old school 3D0 ArmyMen video games so much! Especially the maps! Excellent
What a great table. Bolt Action is a great game. You don't have to put multiple pin markers on the same unit. There's a dial at the bottom to say how many pins you have.
You could also do the Polish vs the Soviets since they invaded Poland with Germany.
Fun battle gentlemen. Enjoyable to watch
We need more of these joe!!!
Damn, what a match...I hope everyone had some fun ;)
Oh hell yeah
Love the content and dedication.
It's a bit more lopsided than the actual situation when you don't stick to the historical periods of equipment. A stug 33 in 1939 Warsaw is like taking a US M60 Tank to the Battle of Okinawa. Rather favors the Germans here. It's things like this that make me say people have turned Bolt Action into WW2 themed 40k.
That cav charge like the Rohan. DEATH!
I like how you are introducing verious tabletop games Joe! I'd recommend Chain of Command - smaller scale than in Bolt Action so even easier to collect, but you can do some really interesting actions such as throwing granades to open topped vehicles or panic a tank with machine gun fire which is especially interesting in early war scenarios. There is also a very cool way snipers work.
In general Chain of Command is very rewarding, though the guys who are designing it are just a small team so not that many choices when it comes to armies. In my local club we are collecting forces from 1st US Infantry Division (me), 1st Polish Armoured Division as well as some German paratroopers, panzergrenadiers, volksgrenadiers and US paratroopers and the cost of all of those forces is much lower than in Bolt Action. There are some interesting options for early war and your Polish force should work pretty well in ChoC, though there is a large number of infantry both sides have to field - literally a platoon large + chosen support.
You might want to cut the pennants of the Polish cavalry - these were much, much smaller and in general lances were rarely used as POL cavalry was usually fighting dismounted.
There were no cavalry charges against tanks in 1939 - neither by the Poles or Germans, or Soviets. I could only find such examples in the eastern front from 1941 and 1942. I am not even 50% certain, but US cavalry in the Philippines could charge Japanese troops supported by tanks, but as I said I am not sure.
This means that likely only the Soviet cavalry was charging German tank units in 1941 when desperately attempting to slow down German attack at Moscow and likely during the infamous, bloody Operation Mars in 1942. Could happen later by accident because there were thousands of cavalrymen used by both sides in the eastern front.
At least the following countries were using horse cavalry units of some size during the 2nd WW:
Poland, Germany, Soviet Union, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Greece, Yugloslavia, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Finland, Bulgaria as well as United States of America in 1941-42 in the Philippines. In USA in 1930s there were even ideas about truck transported horse cavalry, which was explained that horses are still necessary in large parts of USA without roads. Chieftain made a very good video about US tank doctrine which also covers cavalry.
The 7TP with 2 turrets were used in small numbers in defense of Warsaw (8th-28th September), but majority was in reserve units and tanks schools, so likely fought only against the Soviets when they invaded. But I agree that it is quite cool and I would be tempted to use it myself - many early war tanks are at least interesting to collect.
Autocannon armed Polish tankettes appeared in small numbers because domestic design of autocannons took too much time - the lesson was learnt so AA artillery and AT guns were both license produced Bofors. Smaller and poorer countries rarely could risk long and uncertain process of designing all of their weapons, especially if facing rapidly growing hostile armies.
Kedyw was the elite unit of the largest part of the Polish resistence - the Home Army (Armia Krajowa) during the occupation of Poland.
In 1939 Home/National Guard units were called Obrona Narodowa (ON) - mostly infantry with very few machine guns and some light mortars.
In 1939 the fate of Poland was pretty much sealed from the beginning - Nazi Germany was the 2nd industial power in the world after USA and spent c. 1000 times what Poland did on its military in the 1930s. Of course that couldn't work in any normal economy so German currency was essentially worthless in 1939, but was enough for early German conquests - it was enough to fight all Poland, France and UK at the same time. This was still a temporary advantage which could only work if UK surrendered or negotiated a peace agreement or the invasion of the Soviet Union worked before USA entered the war.
The important thing Poland did in 1939 was that it refused Hitler and because UK and France honoured agreements with Poland so the war started before Germany was ready for a larger conflict.
Sometimes you have to say no even if you face almost a certain defeat at the beginning of the war so that you win in the end.
40:58 best part of the video
God bless You, AngryJoe&friends! That was super fun and satisfying to watch. If only we could do as much in 1939, millions of lives would be saved. Best wishes from Poland, the most Texas of nations after Texas!
The intro is spectacular.
Turn 2 was pretty funny.
WW2 Tank driving in Gdańsk, Poland (Poland travel tours), would love to see Joe drive and shoot a Panther tank!
AJ keeping local shops in business
love this, would have let jay get first activation because he allowed tank to live. i know the feeling of having a thing i want to use then insteead dying. but im not there or in your game so i dont get a say. and each play group is different.
Cool
Loving the Bolt Action content! I would have preferred the Germans brought a period correct tank to the battle instead of the thing they used in this game (but that may be because I like the early war German and Czech tanks so much).
Love you Joe!!
All right, people in the comments already did a lot of that, but here's one more:
Contrary to the popular myth of German Steel Machine, they relied on the horse logistics throughout the whole war, to the point that in 1939 a cavalry 'battle' occurred between Germans and Poles. Poles won, although the situation was dire due to historical reasons - Polish horses were always tightly bred with steppe ones, resulting in a smaller but resilient animal, that had stamina to charge straight from march and do so multiple times, Polish sources even 'mocked' western ones often calling them fat as a result. But in that particular fight those fat horses managed to push Polish uhlans into the river and Poles won only because their commander teamed up with his soldier to cut down German leader, managing to force a rout. Later that day, pushing on with charge they came under heavy fire and many of them died.
Most balls-to-the-walls action happened under Wólka Węglowa, where around 1000 Polish cavalrymen broke into a charge to break out of encirclement and into Warsaw to continue fighting. After dismantling enemy infantry positions they went under artillery barrage at full speed and rode between armoured cars and tanks showering them with fire, amusing Italian journalist who was present on the German side at the time and suffering 'only' 20% casualties, half of it dead. The source is obviously biased, but one of the survivors claimed in his diary that Germans were so embarrassed by this, that they interrogated POWs from that day on whether they partook in the charge and executed them on spot if they did.
All in all, in campaign of 1939 Polish Army performed 16 confirmed charges, most of them attacks of opportunities and not a hopeless last ride against an enemy, some ending tragically due to poor recon or unfavorable circumstances (like Husynne, in which combined forces including mounted police (!) managed to crush Soviet infantry just to fall under indiscriminate fire of tanks following them across the hill, Soviet tankist present in his memoirs mentions with amusement how Poles decided to charge their machines with swords drawn).
Where are the destroyed buildings from?
Śmigus-dyngus 🤣🤣🤣
The Stug 33 B was used from 1942 to late 1944. So not just Stalingrad. The first 12 was sent there to clear out the factory district and strong points in other parts of the city during the battle. Then the last 12 was sent and used by the 22nd Panzer division on the eastern front. The last report about them being used was mid Oct 1944. The reason so few was made was due to the fact the Stug III was so important that the Germans couldn't afford to stop production to build these specialist types in the assembly lines. So that was why and how the Brummbar was brought out and made since it used the Pz IV chassis. I really do need to bring out my Sturmtiger that I have painted up as the paintbrush ambush one that the Americans captured in 1945.
But I got all the assault gun heavies that Germany used, Stug 33B, Brummbar, Sturmtiger, Jagdpanther, and Jagdtiger. The only one that I don't own is an early short barrel 75mm Stug III for my Germans.
I need Ep. 3 like now!
Warlord games you say?....
Interesting...
the truth is that during the 2nd world war both sides used cavalry, while the attack of Polish cavalry on enemy tanks never took place. It was German propaganda spread everywhere to break the Polish spirit.
I never heard about cavalry engagement from the Germans during ww2..... during ww1 yes everyone had cavalry the British were very proud 😅.
The US also used cavalry in the 30's but I also never heard they used them in combat after 1941.
@@Manu-rb6eo read more about WW2 then 😃
Horses were used yes very common, but real cavalry charges like Napoleonic era I Never heard about that and I saw many documentaries about this period 😅.
@@Manu-rb6eoThe Germans used nearly 3 million horses during the war.
I believe there was only 2 regiment sized SS groups during Case white (Invasion of Poland). not a very realistic scenario.. but who cares.
This a puzzle game or something ?
We still use Cavalry these days the last recorded one was in operation enduring freedom in Afghanistan by US special forces Against the Taliban
Polish cavalry? So they ride bikes into battle?
Jay always got some bs lol.
Many comments said already, but that Pl cavalry vs German Tanks is a myth. German propaganda picked up error of Italian Journalist, later Russian propaganda also took advantage.
True is that horses were used widely in early years of WW II but all countries even Germans. Joe please correct it you have huge ranges :)
Can you do Korean war
Anyone know how much this game goes for
You can get in for under 200 buying new. Used will be less
What type of madness is this? Where does one find these toys?
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Go Poland!!! Just hope title of this video will not go to minds of idiots which still think cavs really go vs tanks LOL
This jay guy plays at tournaments but gets so much wrong if you hit exact on a damage roll for a tank like with the tankette it’s a minus 3 on the chart that 5 would have been a 2 you can’t reaction fire if that unit has already gone I’d get joe getting these wrong but not a tournament player
I love the polish victory, but the cheating soured the victory with not destroying the first tank.
I do like polish 😏
Keep up the good work and content 😊😊 angry Joe show
Work? It's just them playing a game with cameras pointed at them...wheres the work?
@@adawbwa8872 it's not work. It's sitting around in sweat pants playing games. I click on the video so I can air my grievances . Hopefully if they get enough complaints they will make another one of those videos looking all depressed again
Joe seems fun toplay with. The other guy is boring.
He’s too serious and negative I hate when he gets rude with Joe.
@@gabrielhoward2250 Agreed, your supposed to have fun. Other guy takes the fun out of it.
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Hey hey joe what do you know
Not a lot lol
Lol the Polen never charged with cavalry against Tanks, this was a propaganda thing used by the Nazis to say they were idiots and inferior. But the polish army was extremely outdated that's true..... especially its air force even if they tried their best.
The air force was actually very modern, more so than the Luftwaffe in some airplane models and definitely the strongest suit of the Polish Army pre-war. The true issue were the numbers and the decision to export most of the new stuff to Yugoslavia leaving only older models and in small numbers.
gaming reviews are no more, no street fighter6 review, diablo 4 and buldar gate reviews.
Who knew Angry Joe was so whiny
where is the bg3 review????
Plz do aja reviews
Jay is toxic af, he needs to chill down, its cringe to watch this .
What a boring game
I feel like the girlfriend who tagged along and is now sat doing nothing while her b/f ignores her. This is boring as shit.
When are u guys gonna make a video about that god awful piece of shat Final Fantasy 16???
When joe stops being lazy
Love your videos brother, really fun to watch, but The Blaspheme gets to be way to much for me
When the Germans invaded in WWII, they just backed into their house and said we were just leaving. Then never left.
Śmigus-dyngus is very important in Poland, in old believes if no one pour water on girl that day its mean she will be unlucky and never found a husband xD