I like these wheels A LOT. Ridiculously comfortable and the lightweight nature is VERY tangible. Easily right up there with some of the best wheels I've reviewed on this channel as a first impression. The trend toward wider road wheels cannot be overstated, however I fully understand there may be a breaking point when road wheels are "too wide." I don't really know what to say because I expect you the audience to have some strong feelings towards the internal width size in relation to the optimal tire widths advertised. The risk is low enough for myself to feel very comfortable running 30c tires with tubes. Hopefully the brand themselves can chime to clarify any strong concerns. Thanks for watching!
@@lamismavaca That would be considered "Bro Science" testing. And this style of testing is frowned upon online LoL. Without a controlled environment it's really just feelings and opinions.
Another great video Patty! These wheels look very interesting to run 30mm tires! But for the average rider, how do these carbon spokes feel compared to Sapim? Are they too stiff and harsh? Particularly for long rides over 4 hours?! Cheers!
@@ivanyhtang I'm probably not the best example, but I exclusively use carbon spoke wheels for road. Even for rough roads. I've done rides up 150 miles with no extra discomfort beyond normal fatigue. Tire pressure, rim width, and bike fit really make the most difference for comfort. With that said....30c tires on these wheels are extremely comfortable. I cannot say that enough!
Wider is definitely better. I have 25mm outer width wheels now... I was initially using 25c tires but I gradually increased tire size even though it messed up the aerodynamics. Now I have a set of 32mm outer width wheels waiting for me in China. So excited. That 34mm front wheel is awesome. Would be sized for a 32c tire and a 32c front tire feels like luxury riding. Also, especially with the wider tires, I enjoy tubeless a lot. Can use even lower pressure. I've NEVER gotten a flat. The setup just as easy as tubed. Only annoyance is cleaning the glue. I don't mind doing that as normal maintenance at home. It would suck to have a messy flat on the road, but the idea is to not have flats and that's working out for me
I had a road race back in May that consisted of a few light gravel sections. I ran 32c GP5000 tubeless with a set wheels that had 30mm ext and 23mm int width. While that setup was the winning combo and felt amazing...these No6 wheels paired with 30c tires feels like another level of comfort. You can basically plow over any rough road.
Like them and may place them on my bucket list. Standout is the internal width especially to help with more comfort. That and my Seka spear windeye feature (when it shows up) I should be riding on clouds
I cannot emphasis how comfortable these wheels are with 30c tires. Even if they aren't any slower than narrow wheels, you gain significant road comfort and stability.
Nice wheels, just got a set of carbon wheels with 21mm internal width on my new bike which feel smooth, tubeless is so easy to set up and maintain that I'll never go back for my road or mountain bike
@@PatrickLino would love a follow up review with 32c. Even more comfort but likely at the expense of slightly inferior aerodynamics (at least on the front tire due to lightbulbing)
@@ivanyhtang I suspect the main issue will be the added weight and negative affects when accelerating. Beyond that once up to speed it is going feel like a cloud.
great review, as usual! did you try the wheels on your SL8 too or just the Tavelo for now? I'd be a bit leery too about running a 28mm tire on that front wheel. I would have grabbed a pair of the No.6's when i was building my SL8 but they weren't available then. ended up rocking a pair of 9Velo CD45's. The 9Velo's are 28.4 wide / 21 internal / 45 deep but come in at 1208g with rim tape.
Thanks for watching! I will eventually swap these over to my SL8 to see how they compare to the CRWs. Should make riding out in the rolling hills quite the fun. Currently though I have my Hyper D67s fitted to my SL8 and, man, this is a winning combo if full aero is your name of the game.
Patrick, how is the stiffness in hard corners? I have the Hyper in 46/54 tubeless on my SL7 and in really high speed corners (35 mph) like the last turn of a crit at full gas, I've experienced some real sketchiness and wobble almost. I'm thinking I need a stiffer wheelset. Curious how they felt or if you'd put it to the test in that area?
What size tires and pressure are you running? I suspect the sketchiness is related to that rather than needing a stiffer wheel. A larger tire contact would help for sure.
FFW seem to be the standard, cx Ray spokes with brass nipples, DT Swiss 250 or Chris King ceramic/choose your own hubs, if you want light and reliable with easily availability of spares. A little over £1500 but worth it for peace of mind.
@@PatrickLino Your welcome. I live in a capital city so 6am Sunday or a train ride to do any real cycling means I just use Zonda's. The Mapdec cycle website is the best for real reviews based on long experience. I'd stick with Campag but can't justify.
Very interesting video, thanks! I'm waiting for my Magene Exar 508's to be delivered and I'm planning to switch from tubeless to TPU's for my road bike. Why are you using TR tires and not the GP5000 non-TR's? These are lighter than the TR's. Do you think you can ride with the same low pressure as with the TR's?
I'm not an engineer, so I'll defer to the actual engineers at the ETRTO 😂 I have to say I remain unconvinced about the safety of 28c tires as recommended by the manufacturer, but I'm happy you're at least using 30s 😊
Well the front is a gravel rim here. The problem with a 28c tyre on these rims isn't just retention. They would blow up so much you would be cornering on the sidewalls. Especially with a michelin which already have very high sidewalls on "regular" rims
I have bought already one set of 30/30 with your code the wheels are excellent Thank you for the video!! Probably that's why they won't let me use the code again :)
Not a chance. I once tried to fit 30c tires on 23m internal width wheels on my T1500 for a road race back in May that included sections of light gravel. The fit was too tight for practicality. Winspace advertises the T1500 for 28c max. I think the "new" T1550 has clearance for 32s.
I have a winspace t1500 with them On. They’re a little snug, not much wiggle room. Have to finishing swapping the brake over but doesn’t seem much of a problem. Can get back with you once I get them finished up
@@PatrickLino yeah I have the 1st gen T1550 which might have 30mm clearance. Probably will just stick with my 21mm internal and try and use a 30mm tire
Most of the Chinese brands now are using the previous style DT Swiss star ratchet hub design. So it's basically the same. I didn't even have to realign the calipers when swapping wheels.
I don't understand why the front wheel is wider than the rear wheel. In practice you'd ride a wider rear tire for more comfort, and narrower in the front for aerodynamics
Wider front wheel is more stable in cross-winds for reasons I can't be bothered to explain rn. That being said, this rim doesn't belong on a road bike. It's a gravel rim and the internal is too wide for road bike tyres. It requires tyres that are so wide it will kill your aerodynamics. That's why roval rapide front is 21 internal and 35 external. But doing it that way is a lot harder if you're trying to keep the weight down.
@@jonphotos8631 What specifically would you like to know personally? And are you looking to buy an SL8? I'll try and take note for the end of summer long term review.
@@PatrickLino just ur over all take on the bike. We all saw the ‘this is the best bike I have ever ridden’ part but how about after 100 200 300 miles. What’s the longest ride I one day? How was the comfort. And every thing I mentioned above. Yes I am been looking for a frame set. I really want a tarmac with roubix geos.
@@jonphotos8631 Sorry I don't understand here. In that video link I just shared with you if watched it, I mentioned that I've ridden the SL8 one thousand miles at that point. I also mentioned that I've taken my bike on a 115 mile solo journey in the countryside. And there's footage of me using the SL8 for our weekly fast group training ride including several sprint segments. That video wasn't intended to be first impressions. It's comprehensive beginning to end.
To be honest those hubs are farsports, I have them on my 800usd hyper wheels with carbon spokes. The rims are most likely made by them too, but not listed on website.
@@floam11 Your point about these wheels being spec'd by an OEM supplier was addressed in the video. I appreciate that the consumer these days has plenty of options on how to spend their hard-earned money.
These wheels are farsports : you can buy them direct for much cheaper but front wheel internal is too large for road tyres in tubeless I think, front rim normally made for Gravel. Large wheels with internal
@@pierrestaub8628definitely. I really prefer to buy from farsports which is known for its quality and customer service than from a random dude with a Shopify website and copied specs from god knows where. The product spec stating radial spokes is appalling.
@@AlessandroLandra thanks. I checked their gravel rims too but nothing listed that I could see is as wide and deep as the No 6 front wheel. Maybe it's a special profile they are making for No 6
@@CarlCole-i1w Several videos on my channel showcasing the various wheels I’m running with my Giant Propel. Your assumption is that I’m using Giant/Cadex wheels. This is not the case.
@@PatrickLino Of course NOT. I was only curious 'cause Giant Wheels are all hookless. BTW I would add/suggest the Cadex are a very good ride (I wish I could afford them, even though I am not a hookless fan either)
@@CarlCole-i1w The specs on Cadex wheels do not offer anything that can't already be found on more affordable wheels released years ago. In fact, Cadex wheels are already falling behind. Carbon spokes, ceramic bearings are not anything new. But both the external and internal width on those CADEX 65s are very outdated. Western and Chinese brands, respectively, have adopted wider wheels. And hooked mind you.
@@PatrickLino Reserve 42|49 Turbulent Aero with DT 350 hubs are $1799. I just had my wheelbuilder build me a 50mm deep 25mm ID hooked set with Chris King R45D hubs for $1500 all in. Both are a little heavier than the No. 6 I’ll grant you - but in terms of resale value, parts and service availability, and quite frankly cache, there’s a fair argument to be made.
@@PatrickLino there’s a real technical and practical maintenance/replacement/tension tuning issues with many of these rim manufacturers bonding the carbon spokes directly to the rims. Just a FYI.
@@PatrickLino Sure. Are you still riding them a month later? I know they sent you the wheels but seeing if you positive opinion still is accurate. Looking at wheelset options now and saw your Nepest, CRW and you recommended No 6 over them. Thanks.
@@bkking5625 Still riding them and can still recommend them. If lowest weight and being able to run wide (30-32c) tires is a priority, the No6 is the way to go. Currently they don’t make deeper aero wheels. So if that the main goal then the CRW 5060 is my vote. I use both wheels in tandem.
@@PatrickLino Just talked to Specialized and the front fork on my Tarmac 2020 pro frame can't handle the 34mm with, 30mm max is what they told me so will go the CRW route. More expensive but more reviews than the Nepest. I didn't like the straight pull on the Nepest Hub but can go with their DT240 Hub (alloy spokes), not carbon. The weight on the 40/45 CRW is crazy light
Still not sold on tge wide wheels and tyres for faster rolling, not doubt the extra comfort is real but more tyre on the road means more friction, right??? Current wheels are 19mm Internal 26 External, had them for a while now, only wheels could fit in 2011 SL3.
The idea is based on imperfect tarmac. Bumpy roads. If the road is perfect, a harder, skinnier tire would be quicker because the rider isn't wasting energy through the vibration of road bumps, potholes, etc. If the road is not perfect, a slightly wider tire and lower pressure absorbs more vibration, overcoming those energy losses.
@@borienteeven on a smooth road, wider tires are faster for the same pressure. GCN did a video on a perfectly smooth track, and the wider tires were still faster.
@PatrickLino lol, 30mm are fine, try bigger tho if u dare! Interesting they have a 4mm difference between front & rear. Did he say why.. to fit more bikes? Wheels look very nice. I just bought a pair of gravel wheels with 32mm inside🤔😅
I love tubeless, but have went tpu tubes on my road bikes because I now have two road bikes. And one bike has two sets of wheels. Tubeless is a complete pain with multiple bikes and wheels. I already stopped using one set of wheels. The sealant just dries up or coagulates when sitting. Of course my gravel bike remains tubless. That is a must.
NO.6 basically went to a random factory and picked a mold and then branded it. Nothing special. The pricing is ridiculous for what their cost price are
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the argument that wider, softer tired = less rolling resistance is marketing speak. Every tire has an optimal contact patch, and the narrower you can make the optimal contact patch the less energy is loss through friction. The push for wider internal widths will lead to hookless rims being the norm because they need as wide a rim as possible. The push for hookless is simply to cut the cost of manufacturing. The irony is that we are now getting lighter, more aero wheels at 45-50mm but all that is negated by needed heaver 30mm tires. And before I get taken to the cleaners, I ride both rim 23c and disc 23/25c brakes, pumped to 85-90/100psi. I weigh 70kg on full stomach, not havent taken a shit in two days, and ride only on aslphalt because I got a road bike not a cx or gravel bike.
@@icnd1 I'd like to think my very small viewership isn't the type to attack contrasting opinions. Seems to a problem mainly with the larger content creators. People just wanna ride their bikes and occasionally experience new tech/trends. One person's perception doesn't inherently invalidate another. With that said...the extra weight of 30c tires does for sure negate some of the weight savings of having a super light but super wide rim. Very fair assessment there.
@@PatrickLinoI'm all for new tech trends, my paying job is in technology. We seem to take 1 step forward and two steps back, let me give you an example. We splash 1000s on 4k or 8k TV, but spend 99% of the time streaming compressed content over the internet. Want another closer to home, $500 headphones only to stream low bit rate Spotify. Its the same with the bike industry, super light,super stiff T1000 carbon, only to layer it up multiple times over to accommodate disc brakes. Imagine bikes like the Venge, Foil RC being built light as a feather with T1000, plus super light 50mm carbon wheels as we have now, a modern sub 6kg aero bike may have well been possible.
I like these wheels A LOT. Ridiculously comfortable and the lightweight nature is VERY tangible. Easily right up there with some of the best wheels I've reviewed on this channel as a first impression. The trend toward wider road wheels cannot be overstated, however I fully understand there may be a breaking point when road wheels are "too wide." I don't really know what to say because I expect you the audience to have some strong feelings towards the internal width size in relation to the optimal tire widths advertised. The risk is low enough for myself to feel very comfortable running 30c tires with tubes. Hopefully the brand themselves can chime to clarify any strong concerns. Thanks for watching!
Patty I ask. And if possible… can you ride this set and the CWR’s 5060’s at the same watts the same day ? Thanks in advance
@@lamismavaca That would be considered "Bro Science" testing. And this style of testing is frowned upon online LoL. Without a controlled environment it's really just feelings and opinions.
Another great video Patty! These wheels look very interesting to run 30mm tires! But for the average rider, how do these carbon spokes feel compared to Sapim? Are they too stiff and harsh? Particularly for long rides over 4 hours?! Cheers!
@@ivanyhtang I'm probably not the best example, but I exclusively use carbon spoke wheels for road. Even for rough roads. I've done rides up 150 miles with no extra discomfort beyond normal fatigue. Tire pressure, rim width, and bike fit really make the most difference for comfort. With that said....30c tires on these wheels are extremely comfortable. I cannot say that enough!
I was considering this and the Craft Racing wheels and i bought this! This is 1 heck of a wheelset! Worth every penny!
Wider is definitely better. I have 25mm outer width wheels now... I was initially using 25c tires but I gradually increased tire size even though it messed up the aerodynamics. Now I have a set of 32mm outer width wheels waiting for me in China. So excited.
That 34mm front wheel is awesome. Would be sized for a 32c tire and a 32c front tire feels like luxury riding.
Also, especially with the wider tires, I enjoy tubeless a lot. Can use even lower pressure. I've NEVER gotten a flat. The setup just as easy as tubed. Only annoyance is cleaning the glue. I don't mind doing that as normal maintenance at home. It would suck to have a messy flat on the road, but the idea is to not have flats and that's working out for me
I had a road race back in May that consisted of a few light gravel sections. I ran 32c GP5000 tubeless with a set wheels that had 30mm ext and 23mm int width. While that setup was the winning combo and felt amazing...these No6 wheels paired with 30c tires feels like another level of comfort. You can basically plow over any rough road.
Like them and may place them on my bucket list. Standout is the internal width especially to help with more comfort. That and my Seka spear windeye feature (when it shows up) I should be riding on clouds
I cannot emphasis how comfortable these wheels are with 30c tires. Even if they aren't any slower than narrow wheels, you gain significant road comfort and stability.
I'm always a believer in the engineering maxim Cheap, Light, Reliable. Pick 2!
I love this haha
yes. These wheels aren't cheap though. $1,500
@@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv Neither is Roval, ENVE, or Princeton Carbon Works.
I think these cost enough that they may be light and reliable.
Thanks for the nice review! 😊
@@GTRapt0r Thanks for watching!
Nice wheels, just got a set of carbon wheels with 21mm internal width on my new bike which feel smooth, tubeless is so easy to set up and maintain that I'll never go back for my road or mountain bike
Nice! Which wheels did you get?
Set up looks nice on the Tavelo👍🏾
Thanks Luis! I bet this wheel and tire combo would make a great case for that one stretch of road you use to test out bad pavement.
They look slick!
@@Helldivers2Guy Comfy too!
I want some. Your reviews have been spot on up to now. I suspect they will be incredibly comfortable with 30 mm tires.
30mm for sure are the minimum I would use. Might try 32c soon as well, but certainly not 28s.
@@PatrickLino would love a follow up review with 32c. Even more comfort but likely at the expense of slightly inferior aerodynamics (at least on the front tire due to lightbulbing)
@@ivanyhtang I suspect the main issue will be the added weight and negative affects when accelerating. Beyond that once up to speed it is going feel like a cloud.
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Fantastic review!
Thanks for watching!
great review, as usual! did you try the wheels on your SL8 too or just the Tavelo for now? I'd be a bit leery too about running a 28mm tire on that front wheel. I would have grabbed a pair of the No.6's when i was building my SL8 but they weren't available then. ended up rocking a pair of 9Velo CD45's. The 9Velo's are 28.4 wide / 21 internal / 45 deep but come in at 1208g with rim tape.
Thanks for watching! I will eventually swap these over to my SL8 to see how they compare to the CRWs. Should make riding out in the rolling hills quite the fun. Currently though I have my Hyper D67s fitted to my SL8 and, man, this is a winning combo if full aero is your name of the game.
Another banger Patty! You really should try tubeless sometime. Its pretty sweet
I ran 32c tubeless GP5000 for a road race back in May. Definitely a winning combo once the road surface gets bad. Thanks for watching!
TPU tube is actually lighter than tubeless sealant. 36 g TPU tubes are very puncture resistant
@@stuartdryer1352 For that same race, I did a reckon ride two weeks prior on 30c w/TPUs instead. No problems at all!
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@@PatrickLino all good brother✊🏾
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Patrick, how is the stiffness in hard corners? I have the Hyper in 46/54 tubeless on my SL7 and in really high speed corners (35 mph) like the last turn of a crit at full gas, I've experienced some real sketchiness and wobble almost. I'm thinking I need a stiffer wheelset. Curious how they felt or if you'd put it to the test in that area?
What size tires and pressure are you running? I suspect the sketchiness is related to that rather than needing a stiffer wheel. A larger tire contact would help for sure.
FFW seem to be the standard, cx Ray spokes with brass nipples, DT Swiss 250 or Chris King ceramic/choose your own hubs, if you want light and reliable with easily availability of spares. A little over £1500 but worth it for peace of mind.
Great points Sandy. Thank you!
@@PatrickLino Your welcome. I live in a capital city so 6am Sunday or a train ride to do any real cycling means I just use Zonda's. The Mapdec cycle website is the best for real reviews based on long experience. I'd stick with Campag but can't justify.
I'm still deciding between the N0.6, CRWs, Luns or 9velo. How would you rank them?
@@Wanderer25 Depends on your budget, the wheel depth you want, and your style of riding.
Very interesting video, thanks! I'm waiting for my Magene Exar 508's to be delivered and I'm planning to switch from tubeless to TPU's for my road bike. Why are you using TR tires and not the GP5000 non-TR's? These are lighter than the TR's. Do you think you can ride with the same low pressure as with the TR's?
TRs is what I had on hand. Nothing wrong with the clincher version
I'm not an engineer, so I'll defer to the actual engineers at the ETRTO 😂 I have to say I remain unconvinced about the safety of 28c tires as recommended by the manufacturer, but I'm happy you're at least using 30s 😊
@@galenkehler 32c are next!
Well the front is a gravel rim here. The problem with a 28c tyre on these rims isn't just retention. They would blow up so much you would be cornering on the sidewalls. Especially with a michelin which already have very high sidewalls on "regular" rims
@@invisiblescout6335 well said. There's a lot of good reasons for adhering to design parameters.
I would love to have your extra wheelset there 😅
Come to Chicago haha
@@PatrickLinoseriously ? I can help you with shipping fee 😅
I appreciate the kindness ❤️
@PatrickLino what glasses are those my man
A brand called Lameda. Peep them on IG 👍🏾
Do you have a different core for the wheels; it says the code has expired
The code expired ?? What the heck lol. Okay let me investigate and chat with the company.
I have bought already one set of 30/30 with your code the wheels are excellent Thank you for the video!! Probably that's why they won't let me use the code again :)
Patrick, can you confirm how No 6 attaches the carbon spokes to the rims? Are they bonded? Thanks.
@@petersouthernboy6327 threaded 👍🏾
Patrick can you let me know if these fit on your Winspace T1500. Thinking about these on my T1550
Not a chance. I once tried to fit 30c tires on 23m internal width wheels on my T1500 for a road race back in May that included sections of light gravel. The fit was too tight for practicality. Winspace advertises the T1500 for 28c max. I think the "new" T1550 has clearance for 32s.
I have a winspace t1500 with them
On. They’re a little snug, not much wiggle room. Have to finishing swapping the brake over but doesn’t seem much of a problem. Can get back with you once I get them finished up
@@Matthewg-yn9vx let us know Matt, thanks!
@@PatrickLino yeah I have the 1st gen T1550 which might have 30mm clearance. Probably will just stick with my 21mm internal and try and use a 30mm tire
How do these hubs compare to the magene ultra hubs?
Most of the Chinese brands now are using the previous style DT Swiss star ratchet hub design. So it's basically the same. I didn't even have to realign the calipers when swapping wheels.
Please post a review of your Ugg boots! 😂
hahaha i did this to myself 😭
I don't understand why the front wheel is wider than the rear wheel. In practice you'd ride a wider rear tire for more comfort, and narrower in the front for aerodynamics
Stability and control.
@@PatrickLino then they should both be the same width, no?
@@markovdecisionprocess That would be a question for the company. This isn't the only brand offering staggered rim widths.
Wider front wheel is more stable in cross-winds for reasons I can't be bothered to explain rn. That being said, this rim doesn't belong on a road bike. It's a gravel rim and the internal is too wide for road bike tyres. It requires tyres that are so wide it will kill your aerodynamics. That's why roval rapide front is 21 internal and 35 external. But doing it that way is a lot harder if you're trying to keep the weight down.
@@invisiblescout6335thanks for the breakdown!
Have you tried these on your Yishun frameset? What tire size and what's the result?
I expect the results to be pretty much identical to be honest.
Waiting for that Tarmac update…..
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@@PatrickLino that was like a month ago. We want after *** miles. My thoughts, pros and cons, likes and dislikes.
@@jonphotos8631 What specifically would you like to know personally? And are you looking to buy an SL8? I'll try and take note for the end of summer long term review.
@@PatrickLino just ur over all take on the bike. We all saw the ‘this is the best bike I have ever ridden’ part but how about after 100 200 300 miles. What’s the longest ride I one day? How was the comfort. And every thing I mentioned above. Yes I am been looking for a frame set. I really want a tarmac with roubix geos.
@@jonphotos8631 Sorry I don't understand here. In that video link I just shared with you if watched it, I mentioned that I've ridden the SL8 one thousand miles at that point. I also mentioned that I've taken my bike on a 115 mile solo journey in the countryside. And there's footage of me using the SL8 for our weekly fast group training ride including several sprint segments. That video wasn't intended to be first impressions. It's comprehensive beginning to end.
This is hilarious, can the geniuses behind these wheels show where the f*** are the radial spokes on the non-disc side as described on their specs?
To be honest those hubs are farsports, I have them on my 800usd hyper wheels with carbon spokes. The rims are most likely made by them too, but not listed on website.
@@floam11 Your point about these wheels being spec'd by an OEM supplier was addressed in the video. I appreciate that the consumer these days has plenty of options on how to spend their hard-earned money.
@@PatrickLino true, I commented before getting to that part, thanks for pointing that out.
These wheels are farsports : you can buy them direct for much cheaper but front wheel internal is too large for road tyres in tubeless I think, front rim normally made for Gravel. Large wheels with internal
@@pierrestaub8628definitely. I really prefer to buy from farsports which is known for its quality and customer service than from a random dude with a Shopify website and copied specs from god knows where.
The product spec stating radial spokes is appalling.
How would you compare these Wheels to the Nepest Wheel
@@vincesorrentino7871 These have a much wider internal width. And more purpose built carbon spokes design. But more expensive
Where can you buy direct from the oem? I'd be super interested in checking that out
Wheelsfar hyper rd270. I have them identical 900usd
@@AlessandroLandra I tried to look this up but the rim profiles don't seem to match the No.6 design
@@ivanyhtang probably one of the two is the gravel model
@@AlessandroLandra thanks. I checked their gravel rims too but nothing listed that I could see is as wide and deep as the No 6 front wheel. Maybe it's a special profile they are making for No 6
The tavelo looks good - looks like a carbon copy of a propel though
The new Tavelo Arow looks a lot like my Propel. This Tavelo looks like an SL7 lol
@@PatrickLino how does it ride compared to a propel?
@@gregkane8635 check my previous videos on it
If you are not into hookless, what do you rum on the beloved Propel??
Sorry I'm confused. Are you asking because my Propel is supposed to be exclusively used with hookless wheels?
NO, All Giant Wheelsets are hookless, that's all?
@@CarlCole-i1w Several videos on my channel showcasing the various wheels I’m running with my Giant Propel. Your assumption is that I’m using Giant/Cadex wheels. This is not the case.
@@PatrickLino Of course NOT. I was only curious 'cause Giant Wheels are all hookless. BTW I would add/suggest the Cadex are a very good ride (I wish I could afford them, even though I am not a hookless fan either)
@@CarlCole-i1w The specs on Cadex wheels do not offer anything that can't already be found on more affordable wheels released years ago. In fact, Cadex wheels are already falling behind. Carbon spokes, ceramic bearings are not anything new. But both the external and internal width on those CADEX 65s are very outdated. Western and Chinese brands, respectively, have adopted wider wheels. And hooked mind you.
He blatt
If you think they are similar to an OEM manufacturer's wheels, please be forthright and disclose that, or don't review them.
Thanks for watching .
WTF are you to tell him what to do!? If you don't like the review, eff off!
They're too expensive - they've entered the realm of better known hub brands with infinitely better parts and warranty support.
Any alternatives you can recommend with similar specs and price point? Thanks!
@@PatrickLino Reserve 42|49 Turbulent Aero with DT 350 hubs are $1799. I just had my wheelbuilder build me a 50mm deep 25mm ID hooked set with Chris King R45D hubs for $1500 all in. Both are a little heavier than the No. 6 I’ll grant you - but in terms of resale value, parts and service availability, and quite frankly cache, there’s a fair argument to be made.
@@petersouthernboy6327 Yikes no carbon spokes either. But I understand what you’re trying to convey.
@@PatrickLino there’s a real technical and practical maintenance/replacement/tension tuning issues with many of these rim manufacturers bonding the carbon spokes directly to the rims. Just a FYI.
@@petersouthernboy6327 But these aren't bonded, as shown in the video. The spokes are threaded friend. 👍🏾
So how does these No.6 a month later? Still riding or did you move to a different set?
@@bkking5625 Hi there. Can you kindly be more specific about the wheels? I’m happy to help.
@@PatrickLino Sure. Are you still riding them a month later? I know they sent you the wheels but seeing if you positive opinion still is accurate. Looking at wheelset options now and saw your Nepest, CRW and you recommended No 6 over them. Thanks.
@@bkking5625 Still riding them and can still recommend them. If lowest weight and being able to run wide (30-32c) tires is a priority, the No6 is the way to go. Currently they don’t make deeper aero wheels. So if that the main goal then the CRW 5060 is my vote. I use both wheels in tandem.
@@PatrickLino Just talked to Specialized and the front fork on my Tarmac 2020 pro frame can't handle the 34mm with, 30mm max is what they told me so will go the CRW route. More expensive but more reviews than the Nepest. I didn't like the straight pull on the Nepest Hub but can go with their DT240 Hub (alloy spokes), not carbon. The weight on the 40/45 CRW is crazy light
@@bkking5625 Nice! Enjoy!
Still not sold on tge wide wheels and tyres for faster rolling, not doubt the extra comfort is real but more tyre on the road means more friction, right??? Current wheels are 19mm Internal 26 External, had them for a while now, only wheels could fit in 2011 SL3.
The idea is based on imperfect tarmac. Bumpy roads. If the road is perfect, a harder, skinnier tire would be quicker because the rider isn't wasting energy through the vibration of road bumps, potholes, etc.
If the road is not perfect, a slightly wider tire and lower pressure absorbs more vibration, overcoming those energy losses.
There are much better resources that explain it better than I could. I suggest searching for them.
@@boriente running a 23mm front and 25mm rear. 23mm f gives a perfect profile for aero and the difference from 25 to 23 f is quite amazing
@@borienteeven on a smooth road, wider tires are faster for the same pressure. GCN did a video on a perfectly smooth track, and the wider tires were still faster.
Make them wide, make them tubeless, add that sealant🎉
haha what size tire should I go with!??
@PatrickLino lol, 30mm are fine, try bigger tho if u dare! Interesting they have a 4mm difference between front & rear. Did he say why.. to fit more bikes? Wheels look very nice. I just bought a pair of gravel wheels with 32mm inside🤔😅
@@PatrickLino my question: if the internal is 28 mm what's the min tire size you can run? is it 28?
@@dboy3997 I cannot see myself running 28c tires on these wheels.
I love tubeless, but have went tpu tubes on my road bikes because I now have two road bikes. And one bike has two sets of wheels. Tubeless is a complete pain with multiple bikes and wheels. I already stopped using one set of wheels. The sealant just dries up or coagulates when sitting. Of course my gravel bike remains tubless. That is a must.
NO.6 basically went to a random factory and picked a mold and then branded it. Nothing special. The pricing is ridiculous for what their cost price are
You think so?
Farsports hyper best wheelset period. 50mm 1218 g 800 dollars
@@kimwarner6050 those are on my list to try eventually
@@kimwarner6050that's exactly what these are, just with a gravel front rim
21 internal.... Max. Industry needs to stop with these plushy rim/tire combos. It's a road bike, road means asphalt/tarmac.
Expounding on your viewpoint would very helpful and welcomed to the audience at home.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the argument that wider, softer tired = less rolling resistance is marketing speak. Every tire has an optimal contact patch, and the narrower you can make the optimal contact patch the less energy is loss through friction. The push for wider internal widths will lead to hookless rims being the norm because they need as wide a rim as possible. The push for hookless is simply to cut the cost of manufacturing.
The irony is that we are now getting lighter, more aero wheels at 45-50mm but all that is negated by needed heaver 30mm tires.
And before I get taken to the cleaners, I ride both rim 23c and disc 23/25c brakes, pumped to 85-90/100psi. I weigh 70kg on full stomach, not havent taken a shit in two days, and ride only on aslphalt because I got a road bike not a cx or gravel bike.
@@icnd1 I'd like to think my very small viewership isn't the type to attack contrasting opinions. Seems to a problem mainly with the larger content creators. People just wanna ride their bikes and occasionally experience new tech/trends. One person's perception doesn't inherently invalidate another. With that said...the extra weight of 30c tires does for sure negate some of the weight savings of having a super light but super wide rim. Very fair assessment there.
I think 23mm would be the perfect internal width, 30mm ext. 28mm internal is crazy though
@@PatrickLinoI'm all for new tech trends, my paying job is in technology. We seem to take 1 step forward and two steps back, let me give you an example. We splash 1000s on 4k or 8k TV, but spend 99% of the time streaming compressed content over the internet. Want another closer to home, $500 headphones only to stream low bit rate Spotify.
Its the same with the bike industry, super light,super stiff T1000 carbon, only to layer it up multiple times over to accommodate disc brakes.
Imagine bikes like the Venge, Foil RC being built light as a feather with T1000, plus super light 50mm carbon wheels as we have now, a modern sub 6kg aero bike may have well been possible.