The "6mm 223" is a SAAMI cartridge listed as 6 x 45mm. It is actually the first cartridge on the current SAAMI list and there are some factory loads for it.
Many of the original muzzleloaders shooting round ball had a 1 in 60, 1 in 66 or even 1 in 72 inch twist. The 1 in 48 twist is a newer twist that is suitable in small calibers of .45 to .58 so they can shoot round ball or maxi ball (a short bullet like the minnie) reasonably well. My .50 has 1 in 48 twist so it shoots round ball and maxi ball well. My .72 has 1 in 66 and my brothers .75 has a 1 in 72 twist. They are specifically meant to shoot round ball and they do it very well.
I used a 3D bow that was blue and had silver cams to bag several bull elk. I do usually wear camouflage clothes, but I don't wear matching camo. Pants, shirt, and pack usually are all different patterns. Like Ron, I have been close enough to touch several animals. Movement, especially sudden quick movement, is what really gets their attention. But, I don't wear anything that glows under a black light, I do think that really stands out to deer and elk.
I do like the LeverEvolution’s in theory, but they sure seem to kick harder in all calibers Ive tried. Haven’t used them in actual hunting though. I’ll stick to all-copper for that.
The 338 and 300 RCM cartridges were designed by Dave Emery at Hornady and are related to the current PRC cartridges. They use the same "match style" chambers as the 6.5 Creedmoor and the PRC's, so they tend to be more accurate, on average than their competitors. The main problem is that they were always compared to the WSM and RSAUM cartridges that had slightly fatter cases and slightly higher velocity. If you look at the comparison articles from when they were introduced, the conclusion was always that they were not as fast as a WSM or RSAUM.
Back in the early seventies, I had one in pristine condition in 7.62X54R…sadly I sold it to finance a Winchester Model 70 in .25-06 😢😢😢…koolest rifle I’ve ever owned 👍👍👍…Saint John Moses Browning designed great firearms 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻
I listened to some podcast with one manufacturer of AR10’s in 308. And they said they were testing the faster twists, and got it down to one number that spun most bullets apart at the muzzle. But i wish for the life of me i could remember the name of that podcast because i dont remember the twist rate they said was “too fast” for most off the shelf 308.
@@benbowditch9265 your incorrect about both concepts. They load various bullets including sierra matchkings. Second even the designers say they can stabilize everything with a 1:7. They discovered the advantages of excessive rotational energy. There may be problems with non bonded plus thin jackets but I don’t think this would prohibit much you would want to use anyways. But where did you hear bullets had to be monolithic?
@@danielcurtis1434 After running some numbers through the Berger stability calculator it seems you're correct. I miss spoke, I'm retracting my statement 😂 I read this on forums from people that build and load for it, they were probably talking about thin jacketed bullets.
@@benbowditch9265 hey I’ve made worse errors. It does occur that bullets fall apart. Also 1:3 twist is insane so we just don’t have experience in the firearms community to go off. Usually it’s excessive velocity when the bullet hits the air that does the most damage. I do think rotation could be an issue, but only at high velocity I the 3,000-4,000 FPS range (for rifle projectiles.) I’m just making a vaguely educated guess here. But I think the 1:3 maybe 1:2 could become a real hand changer in firearms technology, especially subsonic use. The reason from what I’ve read and heard is rotational energy bleeds off in air much slower than the lateral energy. Becky of this the devastating effects of the 1:3 twist can be maintained at range even if the velocity is quite low. Assuming all this is true it could be an asset to many many cartridges that are slower. I wonder about pistol cartridges??? That extra rotational energy would improve terminal effects quite a bit. I mean could it make mouse cartridges like .22 .25 .32? There’s so much possibilities to this new “ultra fast twist rate”. I hope it gets explored well. And I think this proves “over stabilization” isn’t a thing?
About camo vs non-camo, UV reflection on clothing stands out to many game also. You can dress in camo and they still see you because it reflets UV rays( Laundry UV enhacing detergents)
@@garyh1449 Khaki pants and shirt good enough. Most locals use jeans and whatever shirt print. We, the spenders think that camo makes us invisible. It's more about movement and smell than camo. But Honestly it helps. At close range it blurs the image game has on you. Some game spook easier others hold they ground till they smell or feel the threat. Quiet and stealth are primary. If they can't hear or smell you, can get very close. Deer have keen eyesight. Piggs can be stalked to 30 ft. Country people usualy wash their cloth with soap bars. Not laundry detergents that make white brighter. I could tell if my camo was UV enhanced when hunting ducks, had to hide in weeds or they could see me, otherwise camo works
As bullets have evolved to higher BC’s and the bearing surface increases it can change the twist requirements to stabilize the bullet. Example, the Hammer Bullets require a faster twist to stabilize the same weigh bullet than some of the traditional bullets similar to a Hornady Interlock. Also, as bearing surface increases, velocities usually decrease due to drag caused more more surface contact. Ron is spot on, pressures go up. Example, 300 Weatherby Magnum. 180 Grain Nosler Accubond = 3,250 FPS. 180 Grain Swift Scirocco II = 3,175 from same pressure barrel stopping at same pressure point. I have built AR Pressure barrels with 1:4 Twist which is for bullets heavier than 77 grains fired from a 223.
Hi Ron, G'day from Aus, Alway's a pleasure to listen to, 6mm International (6mm/5.56 case)(on my bucket list), was an benchrest & falling plate shoots cartridge with great accuracy in AR platform with more downrage energy to fall the plates & increased the potential for a handloader in a bolt action for conservation/property management, increased barrell life, the rimfires & .22 hornet (fond memories), the .222, .223, .222 magnum, 5.6 x 50 is the range of cases with the same base, my favourite was the 5.6 but due to the availability & serving at the time, I settled for a .223(1980,s), the .350 legende is only the base of the same case expanded to .35 cal, not a new concept, back in 1930's there was a .35 selfloader rimless that didn't take off 'cause of lower pressure's & performance of powder's to modern pressures & powder's one can't compare, the physic's of combustion is comparing old motor's to new motor's with same or similar capacity & big difference in pressures to achieve the directed energy safely, there's nothing new under the sun, enjoy the content, stay well 🌅🍻👍😊😎😘👊
Hey Sir, I recently bought a brand new flintlock muzzleloader kit in .54 caliber. The Green Mountain barrel it came with is just under 40 inches long and the twist rate is 1:70. At 25 yards offhand, six shots made a single, odd-shaped hole, a shade low of the bull. Got to file a bit off the front sight in order to pull off a 50-yard zero for whitetails this fall. Thank you for the fine content.
My favorite is a 25/06 with a barnes ttsx in 100 grain i love this round never did me wrong it has good accuracy and hit good and i never had to track more that 50yd
Cousin & I found a 7.65x57 Belgian Mauser that was so fouled in the barrel we couldn't even see light through the length of it. Got it clean! No real damage to that 100 year old steel barrel! Do have trouble finding 7.65 Mauser ammo these days, though.
Also the 300RCM is a great cartridge. That's better then most common in its class. Idk why the RCM were forgot. There really awesome and inherently accurate
Great video. Its my opinion that natural materials make more of difference than color. You can tell when synthetic fleeces have a translucent glow to them during twilight hours. Not that deer even care about thenglow so much as it just amplifies any movement you make like a beacon.
Slot of that glow is from your detergents, most of them have IV brightners in them. To a deer you are sitting under a black light, ALL Free and Clear has no fragrance or brightners And way cheaper than the hunting brands
@@michaelcollins5287 Appreciate Yur Reply. Neat-O info Tidbit on the detergent Free n Clear. A 2-fer, Save Benjamin Notes & Nuttin Extra to Buy as there's a WASH Product that NEUTRALIZE the Regular Detergent BRIGHTENERS for Clothing Colors às Ultra Violet SENSITIVE Çamera films would Show the Light Reflective Values iñ Easier Peasy picture form.
The 338 RCM. Amazes me how conservative the manuals are. I rebarreled a ruger with a 10 twist 25 inch pipe. R17 and a 250 speer GS 2700. Pushed 338 win territory. Not really a fan of the speer but with a nosler or woodleigh the real deal. Do not be afraid of it if you load.
Another twist phenomenon that's interesting is "increasing twist." Near the chamber twist is, 1:10 say, and as it moves up the bore the twist becomes faster and faster. It's a way to get high twist rates while keeping pressures lower. Bartlein emphasizes their high-tech ability to rifle barrels with this sort of twist. In very specific circumstances it's quite useful.
Yes, gain twist rifling is interesting and has been around for a long time. Doesn't seem to have made a major splash, however, so it's value remains questionable.
Ron ...i enjoy your shows, but i never heard u talk about the Ruger Zytel (paddlestock) ...Ruger MarkII.. i love the way they feel and handle, my favorite is my 280 Rem, accurate , and stainless (no rusting) in wet or high humidity weather
In the 8.6 blackout testing they found that the faster twist is absolutely increasing terminal performance, it’s like putting a blender through the chest cavity. As you say hemorrhaging does the work, and that blender effect is causing some serious hemorrhaging.
Great video, Ron. While I love the Q&A and retelling old hunting stories formats, I'd love to see you and Joseph work on a series of hunting videos. Could be interesting seeing both your perspectives when it comes to gear, preparation, tactics. Could possibly culminate into going on a hunt and showing us the journey.
I would just love to go thru one day without all the noise about twist rates and highest b c possible. It's getting worse by the day. Thanks for all your other videos Ron. I really enjoy the other ones.
Iv had similar outcomes at close range with no camo. Fact is though that most top quality hunting garments happen to be in camo and I find it makes me feel stealthy and in uniform. Haha
For lever guns with reach, a Savage 99 with a tight barrel in 308 or 7mm-08 would be a good choice. Course Winchester Model 1895 in 30-06 would be awesome but expensive.
Uncle spomer, i was hoping you could talk about how a respectable hunter takes a certain amount of time and patience to glass their game for specific qualities such as; family proximity ,pregnancy, health, range, possibility of a follow-up shot ...could you explain this in more detail ? Thanks your friend in montana, yeffka
I guess I'm an oddball, but the three cartridges that have always fascinated me the most is the 257 Roberts, the 32 Winchester Special and the 375 Winchester. Where I live and hunt is close range woods hunting, so I don't need a hyper velocity, high BC round to take game. I'm a huge fan of heavy, high SD bullets that pack a punch at under 100 yrds for whitetails. The 257 might not fall into that category with it's 117 gr bullet, but I've always been enamored with that round and I literally can't tell you why. The 32 Special seems like a better choice than the 30-30 because of the slightly larger diameter and heavier bullet, plus it was made in the same handy lever action rifles. The 375 Winchester is one of my bucket list guns. In a handy lever action rifle that one would be like the hammer of Thor on whitetails at close range. Especially if it was using a 270 gr FP. Since I like the older calibers so much, I guess I'm showing my age. If it's possible, could you make a video on the 32 and 375 Winchester? It's hard to find much information on those two cartridges these days and I have great respect for your wealth of knowledge and really appreciate your willingness to share that knowledge with the rest of us. Keep up the great work and good hunting.
To the person interested in a higher power lever action, I can’t speak to the Henry Ron mentioned but having shot 3 of the Browning BLR’s (.270 win, 6.5 cm, .22-250 rem) I would advise to avoid them. The trigger on all 3 of them was extremely stiff, over 8 pounds on the .270, and they are non adjustable. Also they are notoriously difficult to work on so it was difficult finding a gunsmith that could work with them. I have since found one and am waiting for my rifles to be finished and hopefully they will have noticeable improvements.
The other guy was fine, but I really like solo Ron videos. I come for Ron's opinion, and when the other guy is here, it feels like Ron is a sidekick on his own channel.
I still-hunt black-tails; one late fall, I was wearing a black insulated coverall with a blaze orange vest and a wide-rimmed hat. When I was in a thinned second growth Doug fir forest, I saw movement @50 yards away; I froze on one knee and waited in the open, I waited for the two does browsing their way on a well-used trail toward me. As they approached, they looked me over for the longest 15 seconds, but I was upwind and faced the ground to hide my face behind the hat; they were less than 20 yards from me and didn’t spook, they just kept to their trail to their left and casually browsed until they were out of sight. I waited about 5 minutes to make sure they were well away before I stood back up. If I had moved an inch when they were approaching me, they would’ve bolted. If I hadn’t have still-hunted, I wouldn’t have this hunting story to tell.
@ 11:11 you get a 2% increase in case capacity with the .30-06 improved and jam a .338 bullet in there and you got a .338-06 improved oh there already is a .338-06 like it says in the good book there's nothing new under the sun.
Your 500k RPM number is off by quite a ways, Ron. 500k RPM = 8333 Revs per second. At 1000 FPS you would need to spin 8.3 times per foot to achieve 500k RPM, which makes for a 1.45" twist rate. With the 1:3" twist the revs are closer to 250k.
Ron, love your pod casts question... I'm curious. Don't reload and I love the 7mm. 08. Some rifles have I think a8inch twist, some a 9, and I've heard of 9 and a half. Why, and does it have to do with bullet weight and or barrel length. John from pa.
Thank you John. The variations in twist rate are merely the builders' ideas of what they consider optimal. The faster twist are likely built on the assumption some shooters will want to stabilize 175- to 180-grain bullets. Or perhaps some of the longer all-copper bullets. The slower twists might be for precision target shooting of shorter/lighter bullets. Barrel length doesn't change twist rate. A 4" barrel can still have a 1:9 twist.
@@michaelcollins5287 I know that I have used them in my 444 many times, so they are made for tube magazines and better BC so flat and round nose are NOT the only options
I think the larger caliber short magnums are just not needed. By the time you get up there in recoil and bullet weight there's no longer much of an advantage to the short action. Better to add a couple of ounces to your rifle and give yourself room in the magazine for those long .30 and .338 caliber bullets.
Ron, thank you for your videos are very informative. I have been trying to take my reload into a totally different level. When I’m working up a load, a zero my load based on the node. And after I do that, I lengthen my bullet to another node. And then I go back and I reserve my powder again. Is this too much work.? So basically, I woke up my loads in two different formulas, one based on the powder charge, and then the node and then back to the powder charge to finish my actual equal measurement of the length of the round versus the powederload. I know that I can get a really good group with reloading. And then I change my length to find out what my bullet really likes. And then I readjust my powder to get an even better load.
Cartridges a like cars, there is a reason why most people drive boring popular cars. Want a best for money? go with the popular calibers. Want something different? Same as exotic cars.
Can you do a clip on what calibers are good for bear. I've heard people say 30-30s could potentially ricochet, if you hit a bear in the head. I personally have a 300 weatherby, would 150 grain fragmentate on the skull or ricochet?
Ŕon I wish hornady would design 257 cal bullet and a little bit of a point Their 120 grain round nose is a great bullet for the 250 savage but a semi/semi Spitzer the 250 Savage99 and bolt 1920model gun both have 1 in 14 twist too slow to stabilize a 120 grain Spitzer bullet. Sectional density is 260 velocity in both the nosler and the Speer manuals is almost 2800.thats a miniature 180 3006 And like the above load it's a great penatrater
Ps both the 99 and the 1920 bolt rifle were made with high strength steel.savage had developed the 1920 to compete with the Springfield for the 3006 They merely shortened the action to accommodate the shorter round the receiver ring is bigger than a large ring mauser..no pressure problems there
Hey mr spomer my question is can you dumb down rifle twist for the very long e.l.d ish style bullets? I have been reloading for the better part of 2 decades and my preferred load is a 105 grain a max in my 243. The box says for use in 1:9.5 however in my 1:10 savage it’s considerably less than 1moa. And i have killed more deer with it from 80 yards all the way out to 325. So the question is what’s the science behind slow twist rates don’t stabilize long heavy for caliber bullets? Thank you for everything chris from texas
Chris, I'm not sure of the science, but it's basically the need to spin a long bullet fast enough to make it stable like a top. The longer the bullet, the more of its mass is near the top where it tends to wobble if not spinning fast enough. Spin stabilization isn't absolute or instantaneous. In other words, a bullet doesn't go from perfectly stabilized to completely unstable. It's a gradual decline, so accuracy can suffer by degrees. Velocity helps, too. A borderline stable bullet can be perfectly stabilized with more velocity and vice versa.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors that actuallymakes since to me do to the fact i am running those 105s considerably faster than factory 100s. Thank you for your response. Love the channel and you content. Happy hunting and God bless
375 Ruger is not a RCM, nor is it their parent case and is definitely not the parent of 6.5 PRC. 375 Ruger is the parent of the big PRCs like the 300 PRC and the new 7PRC. The RCMs are MUCH smaller, they are the parents of the 6.5 PRC. Ruger trivia 😂
You are right, Alaska, the 375 Ruger isn't a Compact Magnum, but it is the parent case of the 300 RCM which is in turn the parent of the 6.5 PRC. Standard-length and even magnum-length cases are routinely shortened to make short-action and even super short-action cases.
Have you ever tried a head shoot on a deer or any animal really I shot a whitetail doe in Ohio with a 357 Henry X gun she was about 50 yards I want to know if you have ever tired this or would even consider trying? Thanks a lot of all you do
Perfectly executed head shots are lights out, but it doesn't take much of a miss to break a jaw, shoot off a nose, and otherwise cause a gruesome wound on a deer or other animal that gets away. Also the head is the quickest to move suddenly and unexpectedly. I don't advocate head shots, even though I've had plenty of experience with them. I do head shoot forest grouse, tree squirrels, and cottontails with 22 rimfire.
Meh, aducated fud, sometimes, it depends on his opinion at the moment or his anticipated audience. Watching from day one and often repeatetedly, I see a pattern.
Thanks for watching the old fud, Brian. If you ever see me wandering the streets -- or woods for that matter -- be so kind as to return me to the home, will you? Much appreciated.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsdon't worry Ron. If I I ever find you wondering around, anywhere, I will definitely get you home. But, I'm gonna pick your brain the entire way back!
@xeverettx2564 0 seconds ago If the USA ever found life in another solar system and wanted to send ambassadors who were the greatest example of their cross section, well I can honestly say this. Mid-Western United States ambassador for hunting, fishing, conservation, responsible stewardship of the land, Americana historian, and all-a-round great human being, and friend to his fellowmen and women, without a shadow of a doubt this person would be one Ron Spomer. I could go on about him forever with things like the stand alone mustache, brimmed safari hat, work and hiking trouser, jeans, correct footwear, layering of clothing such as under shirt with a three button Henley long sleeve top off with a plaid or flannel plaid. Impeccable taste for firearms, be it the old classics and the knowledge that comes with it to the more modern arms with lots o parts, black plastics, an array of sight and sight redundancy, this including Nods, IR, mounted lights, etc. I have always said I want to be like my dad and Ron Spomer when I grew up (they are very similar men) and I’m now a few months shy of 41 and guess what nothing has changed. Dad, Ron Spomer don’t ever change until that day when the good Lord himself looks at you and say “well done my good and faithful servants, now come home to your reward” which I believe they will both have many. Hopefully someday Ron I along with my dad will get a chance to meet you in person, but if not just keep on a Ronnin’!!!
The "6mm 223" is a SAAMI cartridge listed as 6 x 45mm. It is actually the first cartridge on the current SAAMI list and there are some factory loads for it.
Many of the original muzzleloaders shooting round ball had a 1 in 60, 1 in 66 or even 1 in 72 inch twist. The 1 in 48 twist is a newer twist that is suitable in small calibers of .45 to .58 so they can shoot round ball or maxi ball (a short bullet like the minnie) reasonably well. My .50 has 1 in 48 twist so it shoots round ball and maxi ball well. My .72 has 1 in 66 and my brothers .75 has a 1 in 72 twist. They are specifically meant to shoot round ball and they do it very well.
I used a 3D bow that was blue and had silver cams to bag several bull elk. I do usually wear camouflage clothes, but I don't wear matching camo. Pants, shirt, and pack usually are all different patterns. Like Ron, I have been close enough to touch several animals. Movement, especially sudden quick movement, is what really gets their attention. But, I don't wear anything that glows under a black light, I do think that really stands out to deer and elk.
Hornady leverevolution for 30-30 has given me great accuracy out of my old Winchester 94, pointy bullets made specifically for tube feed.
I do like the LeverEvolution’s in theory, but they sure seem to kick harder in all calibers Ive tried. Haven’t used them in actual hunting though. I’ll stick to all-copper for that.
The 338 and 300 RCM cartridges were designed by Dave Emery at Hornady and are related to the current PRC cartridges. They use the same "match style" chambers as the 6.5 Creedmoor and the PRC's, so they tend to be more accurate, on average than their competitors. The main problem is that they were always compared to the WSM and RSAUM cartridges that had slightly fatter cases and slightly higher velocity. If you look at the comparison articles from when they were introduced, the conclusion was always that they were not as fast as a WSM or RSAUM.
I used to have a Winchester 1895 lever action in 30-06, if I remember correctly. It was a great rifle. I should have kept it!
Back in the early seventies, I had one in pristine condition in 7.62X54R…sadly I sold it to finance a Winchester Model 70 in .25-06 😢😢😢…koolest rifle I’ve ever owned 👍👍👍…Saint John Moses Browning designed great firearms 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻
The 8.6 black out has a 1in 3 twist. And they tried 1 in 1, too
I listened to some podcast with one manufacturer of AR10’s in 308. And they said they were testing the faster twists, and got it down to one number that spun most bullets apart at the muzzle. But i wish for the life of me i could remember the name of that podcast because i dont remember the twist rate they said was “too fast” for most off the shelf 308.
I remember seeing someone shoot a ballistic gel block with the 8.6 blackout and you could literally see how the bullet had been spinning in the block
@@benbowditch9265 your incorrect about both concepts. They load various bullets including sierra matchkings. Second even the designers say they can stabilize everything with a 1:7. They discovered the advantages of excessive rotational energy. There may be problems with non bonded plus thin jackets but I don’t think this would prohibit much you would want to use anyways.
But where did you hear bullets had to be monolithic?
@@danielcurtis1434 After running some numbers through the Berger stability calculator it seems you're correct. I miss spoke, I'm retracting my statement 😂 I read this on forums from people that build and load for it, they were probably talking about thin jacketed bullets.
@@benbowditch9265 hey I’ve made worse errors. It does occur that bullets fall apart. Also 1:3 twist is insane so we just don’t have experience in the firearms community to go off. Usually it’s excessive velocity when the bullet hits the air that does the most damage. I do think rotation could be an issue, but only at high velocity I the 3,000-4,000 FPS range (for rifle projectiles.) I’m just making a vaguely educated guess here.
But I think the 1:3 maybe 1:2 could become a real hand changer in firearms technology, especially subsonic use. The reason from what I’ve read and heard is rotational energy bleeds off in air much slower than the lateral energy. Becky of this the devastating effects of the 1:3 twist can be maintained at range even if the velocity is quite low. Assuming all this is true it could be an asset to many many cartridges that are slower. I wonder about pistol cartridges??? That extra rotational energy would improve terminal effects quite a bit. I mean could it make mouse cartridges like .22 .25 .32? There’s so much possibilities to this new “ultra fast twist rate”. I hope it gets explored well. And I think this proves “over stabilization” isn’t a thing?
About camo vs non-camo, UV reflection on clothing stands out to many game also. You can dress in camo and they still see you because it reflets UV rays( Laundry UV enhacing detergents)
I concur. Just posted a similar opinion.
My problem with camo clothing is I can't find it. LOL
@@garyh1449 Khaki pants and shirt good enough. Most locals use jeans and whatever shirt print. We, the spenders think that camo makes us invisible. It's more about movement and smell than camo. But Honestly it helps. At close range it blurs the image game has on you. Some game spook easier others hold they ground till they smell or feel the threat. Quiet and stealth are primary. If they can't hear or smell you, can get very close. Deer have keen eyesight. Piggs can be stalked to 30 ft. Country people usualy wash their cloth with soap bars. Not laundry detergents that make white brighter. I could tell if my camo was UV enhanced when hunting ducks, had to hide in weeds or they could see me, otherwise camo works
Not to mention it's even worse under night vision
Yep, never use brightening detergents on them. Use plain liquid soap
As bullets have evolved to higher BC’s and the bearing surface increases it can change the twist requirements to stabilize the bullet. Example, the Hammer Bullets require a faster twist to stabilize the same weigh bullet than some of the traditional bullets similar to a Hornady Interlock. Also, as bearing surface increases, velocities usually decrease due to drag caused more more surface contact. Ron is spot on, pressures go up. Example, 300 Weatherby Magnum. 180 Grain Nosler Accubond = 3,250
FPS. 180 Grain Swift Scirocco II = 3,175 from same pressure barrel stopping at same pressure point.
I have built AR Pressure barrels with 1:4 Twist which is for bullets heavier than 77 grains fired from a 223.
Hi Ron, G'day from Aus, Alway's a pleasure to listen to, 6mm International (6mm/5.56 case)(on my bucket list), was an benchrest & falling plate shoots cartridge with great accuracy in AR platform with more downrage energy to fall the plates & increased the potential for a handloader in a bolt action for conservation/property management, increased barrell life, the rimfires & .22 hornet (fond memories), the .222, .223, .222 magnum, 5.6 x 50 is the range of cases with the same base, my favourite was the 5.6 but due to the availability & serving at the time, I settled for a .223(1980,s), the .350 legende is only the base of the same case expanded to .35 cal, not a new concept, back in 1930's there was a .35 selfloader rimless that didn't take off 'cause of lower pressure's & performance of powder's to modern pressures & powder's one can't compare, the physic's of combustion is comparing old motor's to new motor's with same or similar capacity & big difference in pressures to achieve the directed energy safely, there's nothing new under the sun, enjoy the content, stay well
🌅🍻👍😊😎😘👊
Hey Sir, I recently bought a brand new flintlock muzzleloader kit in .54 caliber. The Green Mountain barrel it came with is just under 40 inches long and the twist rate is 1:70. At 25 yards offhand, six shots made a single, odd-shaped hole, a shade low of the bull. Got to file a bit off the front sight in order to pull off a 50-yard zero for whitetails this fall. Thank you for the fine content.
My favorite is a 25/06 with a barnes ttsx in 100 grain i love this round never did me wrong it has good accuracy and hit good and i never had to track more that 50yd
Cousin & I found a 7.65x57 Belgian Mauser that was so fouled in the barrel we couldn't even see light through the length of it. Got it clean! No real damage to that 100 year old steel barrel!
Do have trouble finding 7.65 Mauser ammo these days, though.
Also the 300RCM is a great cartridge. That's better then most common in its class. Idk why the RCM were forgot. There really awesome and inherently accurate
Great video.
Its my opinion that natural materials make more of difference than color. You can tell when synthetic fleeces have a translucent glow to them during twilight hours. Not that deer even care about thenglow so much as it just amplifies any movement you make like a beacon.
Slot of that glow is from your detergents, most of them have IV brightners in them. To a deer you are sitting under a black light, ALL Free and Clear has no fragrance or brightners And way cheaper than the hunting brands
@@michaelcollins5287 Appreciate Yur Reply. Neat-O info Tidbit on the detergent Free n Clear. A 2-fer, Save Benjamin Notes & Nuttin Extra to Buy as there's a WASH Product that NEUTRALIZE the Regular Detergent BRIGHTENERS for Clothing Colors às Ultra Violet SENSITIVE Çamera films would Show the Light Reflective Values iñ Easier Peasy picture form.
THANKS RON, great info hi from Australia!
browning makes 4 lever actions that take 30-06 and they also make some for 7mm-08
The 338 RCM. Amazes me how conservative the manuals are. I rebarreled a ruger with a 10 twist 25 inch pipe. R17 and a 250 speer GS 2700. Pushed 338 win territory. Not really a fan of the speer but with a nosler or woodleigh the real deal. Do not be afraid of it if you load.
Lever guns a little bit better than .30-30? Might want to look at the savage 99 in .250-3000, .300 savage, .308, .243? Even .303 savage.
At least all the 8x57mm surplus rifles I've had have loved Hornady's 196gr BTHP
The 8.6 blackout is indeed a .338 inch bullet and I believe the case is a shortened 6.5 creedmore case
That’s exactly right. I saw one video that said the parent case was the .308 Winchester… but every other source says 6.5 cm.
I have a Savage 110ba 338Lapua magnum in a MDT LSS XL chasse and it's the best ,
Great again Ron! From New Zealand
Thanks Parkerhal.
Another twist phenomenon that's interesting is "increasing twist." Near the chamber twist is, 1:10 say, and as it moves up the bore the twist becomes faster and faster. It's a way to get high twist rates while keeping pressures lower. Bartlein emphasizes their high-tech ability to rifle barrels with this sort of twist. In very specific circumstances it's quite useful.
Yes, gain twist rifling is interesting and has been around for a long time. Doesn't seem to have made a major splash, however, so it's value remains questionable.
Early carcano rifles had this, apparently.
Ron ...i enjoy your shows, but i never heard u talk about the Ruger Zytel (paddlestock) ...Ruger MarkII.. i love the way they feel and handle, my favorite is my 280 Rem, accurate , and stainless (no rusting) in wet or high humidity weather
8x57: one of the OG social influencers.
Savage has an old rifle chambered in 300 sav lever action
American 8x57 .323 ammo is downloaded ,I like Sellier & Beloit .
Oh boy!! I bet the folks at Kuiu and Sitka are gonna disagree with you!! Thanks Mr. Spomer. Always enjoy your videos.
A good old fashion plaid will do great for camouflage!
In the 8.6 blackout testing they found that the faster twist is absolutely increasing terminal performance, it’s like putting a blender through the chest cavity. As you say hemorrhaging does the work, and that blender effect is causing some serious hemorrhaging.
It’s absolutely devastating under 200… and still solid at 300… I want one.
Our fore fathers hunted with a red checker shirt on 😉🤷🏼♂️
Great video, Ron. While I love the Q&A and retelling old hunting stories formats, I'd love to see you and Joseph work on a series of hunting videos. Could be interesting seeing both your perspectives when it comes to gear, preparation, tactics. Could possibly culminate into going on a hunt and showing us the journey.
BRNO model21 was commonly chambered in 8x57 and are extremely accurate , good used ones are around , they're now known as CZ if you want a new 8 mm
338/06 hard to beat
The best camouflage pattern is called, “Sit down and be quiet!” Your grandpa hunted deer in a red plaid coat. Think about that for a second.
Fred Baer
I hunt with a black hoodie and brown pants…. Wind matters more than what you look like 😂
I hunt with a black hoodie and brown pants…. Wind matters more than what you look like 😂 I mean come on we wearing bright ass orange vests
I hunt with a black hoodie and brown pants…. Wind matters more than what you look like 😂 I mean come on we wearing bright ass orange vests
I would just love to go thru one day without all the noise about twist rates and highest b c possible. It's getting worse by the day. Thanks for all your other videos Ron. I really enjoy the other ones.
Hi Ron, I've had the Browning BLR in a 243, 30-06, 7mm and 300 win. mag.
6-223 is nothing more than the TC Contender 6mmTCU. They also make a 7mm TCU. It uses a 223 case necked up. I enjoy your pod cast!
Iv had similar outcomes at close range with no camo. Fact is though that most top quality hunting garments happen to be in camo and I find it makes me feel stealthy and in uniform. Haha
I love the 8mm rem mag
For lever guns with reach, a Savage 99 with a tight barrel in 308 or 7mm-08 would be a good choice. Course Winchester Model 1895 in 30-06 would be awesome but expensive.
You can get a Marlin in lever 308. Work just fine on elk and you use the same standard tubular mag.
Marlin 308. A great smooth action.
Uncle spomer, i was hoping you could talk about how a respectable hunter takes a certain amount of time and patience to glass their game for specific qualities such as; family proximity ,pregnancy, health, range, possibility of a follow-up shot ...could you explain this in more detail ? Thanks your friend in montana, yeffka
There is also the older savage model 99 in lever sction. They are getting more expensive but they come in a lot of calibers.
I have a Henry longranger 6.5 creedmoor very nice rifle
What about a video covering the 8mm rem mag and how it compares with other similar cartridges
8.6 Blackout is correct. The heaviest bullets I'm aware of are Maker 350 grain REX.
I put the pointed bullets in my 3030 one in the chamber one in the magazine tube
I will join as soon as you get an interview with Randy selby.
Send me his contact info.
I guess I'm an oddball, but the three cartridges that have always fascinated me the most is the 257 Roberts, the 32 Winchester Special and the 375 Winchester. Where I live and hunt is close range woods hunting, so I don't need a hyper velocity, high BC round to take game. I'm a huge fan of heavy, high SD bullets that pack a punch at under 100 yrds for whitetails. The 257 might not fall into that category with it's 117 gr bullet, but I've always been enamored with that round and I literally can't tell you why. The 32 Special seems like a better choice than the 30-30 because of the slightly larger diameter and heavier bullet, plus it was made in the same handy lever action rifles. The 375 Winchester is one of my bucket list guns. In a handy lever action rifle that one would be like the hammer of Thor on whitetails at close range. Especially if it was using a 270 gr FP. Since I like the older calibers so much, I guess I'm showing my age. If it's possible, could you make a video on the 32 and 375 Winchester? It's hard to find much information on those two cartridges these days and I have great respect for your wealth of knowledge and really appreciate your willingness to share that knowledge with the rest of us. Keep up the great work and good hunting.
He has videos on 375
I know where a 375 win is maybe I should try to buy it, it would be fun
The .223 necked up to .243, Sharp's actually did something similar and called it the 25-45 sharps. Didn't really take off though.
Love this channel
Thanks Juan.
I have a spring file 02 with 2 grove barrel shoots fine
***IM REALLY LIKE THE BLACK AND RED PLAID*****
The older muzzle loaders flintlocks used 1&60 twist new ones use 1&48 and inlines use 1&29
To the person interested in a higher power lever action, I can’t speak to the Henry Ron mentioned but having shot 3 of the Browning BLR’s (.270 win, 6.5 cm, .22-250 rem) I would advise to avoid them. The trigger on all 3 of them was extremely stiff, over 8 pounds on the .270, and they are non adjustable. Also they are notoriously difficult to work on so it was difficult finding a gunsmith that could work with them. I have since found one and am waiting for my rifles to be finished and hopefully they will have noticeable improvements.
YOU'RE RIGHT DEER MAINLY SEE MOVEMENT I'M AN EXPERIENCED BOW HUNTER !!*****I HAVE TESTED THIS AND GOT SEVERAL DEER THIS WAY
JUST BE STILL***!!!!
The other guy was fine, but I really like solo Ron videos. I come for Ron's opinion, and when the other guy is here, it feels like Ron is a sidekick on his own channel.
I still-hunt black-tails; one late fall, I was wearing a black insulated coverall with a blaze orange vest and a wide-rimmed hat. When I was in a thinned second growth Doug fir forest, I saw movement @50 yards away; I froze on one knee and waited in the open, I waited for the two does browsing their way on a well-used trail toward me. As they approached, they looked me over for the longest 15 seconds, but I was upwind and faced the ground to hide my face behind the hat; they were less than 20 yards from me and didn’t spook, they just kept to their trail to their left and casually browsed until they were out of sight. I waited about 5 minutes to make sure they were well away before I stood back up. If I had moved an inch when they were approaching me, they would’ve bolted. If I hadn’t have still-hunted, I wouldn’t have this hunting story to tell.
@ 11:11 you get a 2% increase in case capacity with the .30-06 improved and jam a .338 bullet in there and you got a .338-06 improved oh there already is a .338-06 like it says in the good book there's nothing new under the sun.
Your 500k RPM number is off by quite a ways, Ron. 500k RPM = 8333 Revs per second. At 1000 FPS you would need to spin 8.3 times per foot to achieve 500k RPM, which makes for a 1.45" twist rate. With the 1:3" twist the revs are closer to 250k.
Winchester 1895 for vertical stack magazine in lever action. $$$ but another option.
Ron, love your pod casts question... I'm curious. Don't reload and I love the 7mm. 08. Some rifles have I think a8inch twist, some a 9, and I've heard of 9 and a half. Why, and does it have to do with bullet weight and or barrel length. John from pa.
Thank you John. The variations in twist rate are merely the builders' ideas of what they consider optimal. The faster twist are likely built on the assumption some shooters will want to stabilize 175- to 180-grain bullets. Or perhaps some of the longer all-copper bullets. The slower twists might be for precision target shooting of shorter/lighter bullets. Barrel length doesn't change twist rate. A 4" barrel can still have a 1:9 twist.
Wondering why you would say they stick with flat or round nose bullets, what about the Hornady FTX for 30-30. 444 Marlin and the 45-70 ?
They are rubber tipped not metal
@@michaelcollins5287 I know that I have used them in my 444 many times, so they are made for tube magazines and better BC so flat and round nose are NOT the only options
FYI the 1861 musket has a 1 in 72 twist.
I think the larger caliber short magnums are just not needed. By the time you get up there in recoil and bullet weight there's no longer much of an advantage to the short action. Better to add a couple of ounces to your rifle and give yourself room in the magazine for those long .30 and .338 caliber bullets.
Krieghoff Semprio Rifle w/ .243 Win., .375 Ruger barrels. 2 scopes and carrying case
Sold $12,000.00
What a deal...........
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Some of the early rifled muskets were 1 in 65 !
I wanna know what would be the best twist ratio for a 22-250 with a 50 to 55 grain bullet
Hi Ron, what is your opinion on the 444 marlin
Please compare axe bullets to Barnes lrx and Hornady cx
Ron, thank you for your videos are very informative.
I have been trying to take my reload into a totally different level.
When I’m working up a load, a zero my load based on the node. And after I do that, I lengthen my bullet to another node. And then I go back and I reserve my powder again. Is this too much work.?
So basically, I woke up my loads in two different formulas, one based on the powder charge, and then the node and then back to the powder charge to finish my actual equal measurement of the length of the round versus the powederload.
I know that I can get a really good group with reloading. And then I change my length to find out what my bullet really likes. And then I readjust my powder to get an even better load.
Cartridges a like cars, there is a reason why most people drive boring popular cars. Want a best for money? go with the popular calibers. Want something different? Same as exotic cars.
Love my blr
Gunblue would be great 👍
Can you do a clip on what calibers are good for bear. I've heard people say 30-30s could potentially ricochet, if you hit a bear in the head. I personally have a 300 weatherby, would 150 grain fragmentate on the skull or ricochet?
6X45 is very popular. Nothing new.
Hornady leverloution.
Ŕon I wish hornady would design 257 cal bullet and a little bit of a point
Their 120 grain round nose is a great bullet for the 250 savage but a semi/semi Spitzer the 250 Savage99 and bolt 1920model gun both have 1 in 14 twist too slow to stabilize a 120 grain Spitzer bullet. Sectional density is 260 velocity in both the nosler and the Speer manuals is almost 2800.thats a miniature 180 3006
And like the above load it's a great penatrater
Ps both the 99 and the 1920 bolt rifle were made with high strength steel.savage had developed the 1920 to compete with the Springfield for the 3006
They merely shortened the action to accommodate the shorter round the receiver ring is bigger than a large ring mauser..no pressure problems there
There're reasons ancient hunters wore plaids.
Use blue wonder gun cleaner. your Bore come out like a mirror. I use it in all my mousers
6mm bullet loaded into neckup 223. I would suggest research 6mm ARC.
Hey mr spomer my question is can you dumb down rifle twist for the very long e.l.d ish style bullets? I have been reloading for the better part of 2 decades and my preferred load is a 105 grain a max in my 243. The box says for use in 1:9.5 however in my 1:10 savage it’s considerably less than 1moa. And i have killed more deer with it from 80 yards all the way out to 325. So the question is what’s the science behind slow twist rates don’t stabilize long heavy for caliber bullets?
Thank you for everything chris from texas
Chris, I'm not sure of the science, but it's basically the need to spin a long bullet fast enough to make it stable like a top. The longer the bullet, the more of its mass is near the top where it tends to wobble if not spinning fast enough. Spin stabilization isn't absolute or instantaneous. In other words, a bullet doesn't go from perfectly stabilized to completely unstable. It's a gradual decline, so accuracy can suffer by degrees. Velocity helps, too. A borderline stable bullet can be perfectly stabilized with more velocity and vice versa.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors that actuallymakes since to me do to the fact i am running those 105s considerably faster than factory 100s. Thank you for your response. Love the channel and you content. Happy hunting and God bless
Isn’t a progressive twist rate a thing aswell? So you aren’t hitting a wall instantly when you go to the tight twist.
Nosler made a 26 Nosler.
1 in 12 is fine for a 220 grain 30 cal.
375 Ruger is not a RCM, nor is it their parent case and is definitely not the parent of 6.5 PRC. 375 Ruger is the parent of the big PRCs like the 300 PRC and the new 7PRC. The RCMs are MUCH smaller, they are the parents of the 6.5 PRC. Ruger trivia 😂
You are right, Alaska, the 375 Ruger isn't a Compact Magnum, but it is the parent case of the 300 RCM which is in turn the parent of the 6.5 PRC. Standard-length and even magnum-length cases are routinely shortened to make short-action and even super short-action cases.
Spoomer forgot inside bore land hight , causes inbore bullet tipping = bad accuracy!
Have you ever tried a head shoot on a deer or any animal really I shot a whitetail doe in Ohio with a 357 Henry X gun she was about 50 yards I want to know if you have ever tired this or would even consider trying? Thanks a lot of all you do
I have killed many deer with a .22 lr with head shots … works long as you hit them😂
Perfectly executed head shots are lights out, but it doesn't take much of a miss to break a jaw, shoot off a nose, and otherwise cause a gruesome wound on a deer or other animal that gets away. Also the head is the quickest to move suddenly and unexpectedly. I don't advocate head shots, even though I've had plenty of experience with them. I do head shoot forest grouse, tree squirrels, and cottontails with 22 rimfire.
IS not JS
Right on. They confused the old Germanic script I for a J so it's been labeled J ever since.
Meh, aducated fud, sometimes, it depends on his opinion at the moment or his anticipated audience. Watching from day one and often repeatetedly, I see a pattern.
Thanks for watching the old fud, Brian. If you ever see me wandering the streets -- or woods for that matter -- be so kind as to return me to the home, will you? Much appreciated.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsdon't worry Ron. If I I ever find you wondering around, anywhere, I will definitely get you home. But, I'm gonna pick your brain the entire way back!
“Aducated.” 😂
It seems somebody takes pride in their ignorance and lack of EDUCATION.
You ain’t making any sense, hoss.
GunBlue490 is awesome
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Ron Spomer. I could go on about him forever with things like the stand alone mustache, brimmed safari hat, work and hiking trouser, jeans, correct footwear, layering of clothing such as under shirt with a three button Henley long sleeve top off with a plaid or flannel plaid. Impeccable taste for firearms, be it the old classics and the knowledge that comes with it to the more modern arms with lots o parts, black plastics, an array of sight and sight redundancy, this including Nods, IR, mounted lights, etc. I have always said I want to be like my dad and Ron Spomer when I grew up (they are very similar men) and I’m now a few months shy of 41 and guess what nothing has changed. Dad, Ron Spomer don’t ever change until that day when the good Lord himself looks at you and say “well done my good and faithful servants, now come home to your reward” which I believe they will both have many. Hopefully someday Ron I along with my dad will get a chance to meet you in person, but if not just keep on a Ronnin’!!!
Much appreciated. Humbly yours, Ron.