This Is why we don't Run 50PSI Through MLS Headgaskets.
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- TBH I am more impressed than anything that we lifted the head on every single cylinder. On the bright side, I think we have a solution that should hopefully keep this from happening again. In short, don't send 50PSI Through a standard set of MLS Head Gaskets. Your Subaru won't like it.
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Car guys who have atleats 2+ cars that don't work are living vicariously through you tanner. You are our chosen champion, we support the channel so you can fight the good fight.
I too currently have 2 cars that do not work though 😂😅
@@Smeediajust keeping it real.
my cars work!, just haven’t seen the road in 3 years 😂 this summer maybe :)
Every vehicle I own is broke down except my Subaru 85 rx sedan with 06 sti swap and 4.44 jdm 5 speed. 400 all wheel torque.
Cummins bent a push rod and is getting fire ringed and my wife’s Honda cracked the vcm4 head. Not very impressed with the j35 Honda. Unless it has the j32 multi port heads. Then it may be worth it.
@@gregcass12 I mean technically they all run, not well.
Blu just sint allowed to stay together. V3 is going to be LEGENDARY!!! You are doing amazing!! I would honestly say you have single handedly engineered a whole new monster of a car 😈😈
We will continue to overcome every issue that the thing throws at us 👌
lmao subaru really did just bolt two extra cylinders onto an EJ
That’s exactly what they did 😂
In essence it's a Subaru/Porsche engine.. just engineered by the Japanese instead of the Germans but in spirit.. the same thing.
God bless Subaru dudes. As a Honda guy I admire the amount of wrenching and work you guys are willing to put into these Subarus.
They definitely take. Good amount of love to keep em going once you start getting into the higher power. But my lord are they a blast when they’re 100% 🔥
You are a freaking expert on disassembling that engine..
I’ve done it a couple times 😂😅
Even with the occasional sprinkle of time lapse, you are efficient a.f.! And your explanatory commentary is outstanding. IMPRESSIVE! Love seeing the progress.
I’ve torn it down a couple times now, I’d like to think I’m fairly efficient at it now 😅
And we back!
Also, sorry about blue. Super sad to see her down again.
Closed deck eg with fire rings is gonna hold down some sauce! Can’t wait
It’ll be back up by end of week, curious to see how this O ring idea works out 😅
One thing we can respect with you is your honesty
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Don’t let him fool you he hates you hitting the dislike button! I watched this one twice!
Always thinking Smeedia... i like the repaor idea, I am more excited about the new motor and its creation. 💯💯💯
The Cummins 5.9 fire ring is 1.05 thick and the bore size is 102mm my bore on my subie is 100mm so I’m putting Cummins fire rings in my Subaru 06 sti 100mm bore. Also the head gasket thickness on a Cummins is .060 and my Subaru is .058. I’m already fireringing my Cummins so I was curious about the fire ring figment on a Subaru. And yes the Cummins 5.9 fire ring will work perfect on a 100mm Subaru which is .5 mm over stock 99.5
Tanner you better have a lil car meet before you move 🙏🏻I need another signature on the fuse box 😂
Very cool tool, looking forward to seeing it back out there!!!
Couple days 🙌
You cant blow the head gasket if you don’t have one. 😂😂
Weld the heads to the block 😂
@Smeedia its not a bad idea lmao welded block would technically never lift
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Mono block engines are used in F1, and I believe Bentley made fixed engine setups in the 20s, but if you break something, it becomes a paperweight.
Make sure the gaps in o-rings are close to a head bolt when you install them. That's the weak point, and when they are next to head studs it gives it a tighter install.
Really hope this work. So much blood in sweat in this project, lets go!
I lost it at the 13B momentary lapse in judgment lmaooo
😂😂 intrusive thoughts
I had my heads lift on me twice at 45psi once I went copper O ring never had a drop of coolant loss for 2 years now. But good luck man 🦾🦾
This is what I like to hear 🔥🙌
Alright just got tickets for the race as well really can't wait to see what the R can do.
Damn Blu is just too rowdy! Haha love it. Just curious Tanner, if it was pushing so hard that it lifted the head, does that stretch the headstuds too?
Lifting all 6 is pretty lit, lol. Really happy the damage if you can even call it that, was super minimal.
Only real damage is the poor gasket 😅
Thank yer lucky stars that it didn't overheat and warp the block. Neat to see the evidence of the gasket failure. Beautiful engine. Good luck
I’ve learned to watch those coolant temps like. Hawk in this thing 😂
I've finally found a local shop that is going to pull the heads off of my EJ255 to save me time, I'll be meticulously studying your longer content along the way as I finally try to get it back to roadworthy. Thank you for that, I just want you to know we appreciate that aspect of your content and the effort that goes in behind it, as well as all the other aspects. My FXT will probably never be at baders FXT level(since the cars are twins) or any of either y'alls builds performance level honestly, but I do want to customize the interior and soundsystem with my own little touch and have a quickish daily. This poor FXT has basically been sitting since 2020 when I pulled the engine out. 😵😵💫🥴 Can't wait to see the 6banger ripping again
Lifted all 6 wow! I'd be too nervous to o-ring it myself when running that much boost. You are brave.
I figure it can’t be that hard to do 😅 just have to make sure the tool is set properly
You are using the car like you should! Build it, run it, fix it, rebuild it, run it! Adjust it, run it, fix it….Rinse and repeat! It might suck a little, but we appreciate you and the content!
Smeedia, This is perfect! I subscribed right away!
Appreciate the support 🫶
This is why we don't run 50 PSI at all.
50 PSI bad confirmed. But no one said anything about 60 psi 🗿
@@SkylineLofe60 feels like a more round number 👌
Yeah then he won't be hitting his 1000whp goal
@@SofiaSclafaniExaaaactly
Nah 100 psi @@Smeedia
Hey Tanner don't forget to Anneal the copper wire.
Yeah that really is a best case scenario. It shows how strong the bottom and top end are.
Super happy you found the solution to hopefully not even need the other engine!!! What a good turn of events!
It's not the MLS gasket... Cummins guys run 60+ psi on MLS head gaskets with no issues. Maybe try fire rings?
Good work bro
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Earlyyyyyy Bird!🦜
So you have the ability to monitor pressure in the cooling system and have the computer go into limp mode above x pressure? I know some Haltech's can if you have enough inputs
Hey I’m a 15 year old who getting ready to learn to get my drivers license and when I’m ready and get my own Subaru wrx sti I like to customize the car so I will learn from your videos
In the last video you acknowledge there’s no support for this engine and you fixing it more than you are enjoying it! I respect the determination however at the same time need think about if going 3.7 route will it give you similar issues and time enjoying it.
Why not have out front do the fire lock grove for the fire lock head gasket . While you having it redecked?Also I think JNA came out with a gasket .
Do you think maybe your tuner just maybe was way too aggressive on ignition timing? Like dude doesn’t even make his own base maps and you got how many miles on this motor?
Breaking things in impressive ways!
Can’t even be made with that 😂
What head studs are those? Serious torque to lift those heads
I run 50+ psi with the same turbo you have on a ej and it makes more power that this eg33 did why not go back to a regular ej
I’m literally having the exact same problem on my 4 cyl like exactly the same time and stage in the process as this so crazy
That's why cars are reffered as HERS cuz they always create new issues XD
How many times do I got to keep tearing my car apart and putting it back together. More times
May be moot w/ rings, but may want to check the block w/ a straight edge.
Checked that off camera and were within spec still, under .002” 🫡
Have you considered doing what mighty car mods did with their ez30 built turbo? Marty went smaller turbo and ended up making more power and torque then his larger application, just under 600whp on only 25 psi but over 1200nms of torque now. Being bigger displacement I can't see why you wouldn't achieve the same sort of result.
Smaller turbo wouldn’t hurt us, but it would significantly limit power output. We had a 6870 on it prior and capped that turbo before anything else. Marty is also using his as a street car where I’m not.
He also wanted to achieve quicker spool because his power band was pushed so far out. Even with the 7675 we can get the turbo kit up at 4500RPM since we have more displacement. And my set up is a true twin scroll. Jumping up to Larger exhaust wheel will help lower EMAP and give us lower cylinder pressures without sacrificing too much RPM for spool
0- rings will fail. Don’t ruin this motor. Fire rings like the Cummins .105 soft stainless fire ring with groove cut in block and groove in head and ditch the head gasket crush area on the cylinder and never have another problem. O rings are not the answer it’s a short cut.
Where do you source all the miscellaneous gear for the EG33? I've been using rockauto but even there I'm struggling to find everything I need. I'm doing rocker cover gaskets and timing belt and things like the waterpump I cannot find outside of Ebay. They are from GMB. Might be fine but I'm weary of counterfeits.
Love this engine and I want to live the dream of eventually making power with it but it's looking daunting with parts becoming so scarce.
Tbh it’s quite difficult to find anything now for these engines. A year or two ago I bulk. Ought slot of stuff for it. Subaru still offers rocker cover gaskets and a few other random things 👀
Old Blú has made his way back to the channel super early...
Always works its way back in 😂
Thank goodness BLU is back, baby. just a head gasket .subaru gods had their hands on blu.
Easy peasy to fix 🙌🚀
Ayo, but Tanner… a 13b STI though? 😮
I'm really curious at what afr the car runs under boost, my car was at 12.2 - 12.5 and my head gasket was melting now I run 9.8 - 10.2 afr and no problem for the last 2 years
High 10s Low 11s typically, car lived on E85 🤝
NEW place? Tour, when?!
Full tour?! 😅
@@Smeedia I'd watch the hell out of it my guy
I’m here Tanner!!! I’m here
JOEEEE! How ya been? 🙌
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Won't athena make you some fire ring gaskets ???
I feel your pain as I've owed and built scoobys for 10 years now !
Unfortunately no they won’t, they’re so far behind on even getting out the gaskets they already offer 😅
MY DUDE mighty car mods just threw a VA 6 cyl turbo put together & i think you should go smaller turbo and get the most out of it maaaaan
Mines not a street car or daily driver like theirs is 😅
We want bigger exhaust wheel
To Make same power at lower boost target. I also have more displacement than they do and a true twin scroll set up so spools not an issue. The 7675 is full lit at 4500 RPM
Honestly, if I were you, I’d be trying to mimic the Isle of Man STi that Mark Higgins ran. 600 HP, lightweight, and extreme handling.
But that’s me. I know you like the straight line pulls. I find that boring, personally, but I get how some people do. It just seems like a lot of extreme pressure on the motor and drivetrain for a few seconds of fun. And things break.
I’ll get a lot of negative comments and you have a different path for this build. Just my 2 cents.
Good luck with the fix!
Dude IV been watching for awhile and I think my kids unsubscribed me. Anyways just notice and re subscribed. And 18psi and a good torque curve will lift a head on a 4 cylinder. I just did it. It’s the torque load. And timing advance. Back that timing off a few degrees in the torque curve and save the gaskets. It’s peak timing being too advanced combined with high boost. that lifts the heads. And 650 hp turned down. Dude just run it at that and have a good time. My car makes 400 wheel torque and is an absolute blast to drive. 650 I couldn’t even keep the wheels planted. Back the timing off at peak torque by -2, or -3 degrees off what you have seriously. It makes a huge difference in head gasket longevity. If you have fire rings. Disregard every thing I said and run the same map and let her eat.
2:40 after going under my car at least once a month fix to shit, I know an abs workout when I see one
Almost everyday now 😂
So keen to see it back together snd pumping down the track! Crazy all cylinders lifted 😮😮 Keep the good vids up as always!
I gotta start uploading some fozzy content 👀😉
I've used malleable copper seals for cylinder heads before - not an internal combustion engine but a 4500 psig high-pressure air compressor. Pressure increase on the high pressure (4th compression stage cylinder) was around 2200 psig (from 3rd stage pressure of 1800 psig up to 4th stage 4500 psig with tremendous heat). The copper seal on that 4th stage cylinder worked fantastically for maybe 15 years since the previous overhaul with no leakage to the cylinder water jacket until the head material around the seal crumbled from heat cycles (the machine was manufactured in 1943, after all, and the failure occurred in 1976). Had an insert fabbed up for the remachined head after removing the damaged metal, annealed that copper seal (none could be found in our supply system), put that same seal back into place, and good as new. Your copper cylinder block-to-head seals seem to me to possibly be a good solution. Good luck. Great video.
Nice dude, I got that o-ring tool and it's great. I would run stainless wire with composite head gaskets (do subarus come with composite head gaskets?). Then you don't need to replace the wire every time you remove the heads. Replacing the copper wire is a bit of a mission because they crush flat. I've seen a few evos run 1000whp with stainless wire + composite head gasket.
LS swap Blu!
Only kidding 😉.
What did bader say?!
Told me we going back to the moon 😂
I love me some BIG BERTHA'S videos
If you are not using that coolant I’ll take it
use the o ring tool first on a old engine, so you now how to use it.
also, you want a responsive setup vs a high peak hp setup for autox. much better to have a smaller turbo where the boost comes on immediately than a big honker turbo that doesnt see boost until 5k rpm
My man this is not an autocross car 😅
The 7675 is also full tilt at 4500 RPM
I gotta say Subaru makes the worst Headgasket failure smh it should be a regular maintenance item at this point lol
This is not a Subaru problem, this is significantly exceeding what an MLS Gasket is designed to do.
Where's the new place Tanner? Blue ballin over here...
Out to was in the new office 😂😅
@@Smeedia You know what I mean.
Love Big blue 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙 keep her alive and boosting strong
O rings and new gaskets and she should be 👌
@@Smeedia 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽💙🤘🏽🤙🏽🤘🏽 I'm super proud as a car guy you didn't take the easy way out stuck with it building a new platform in advance in it as will help the import racing scene In the beginning people like you taking the chances leading the way so other people can follow and not go through the same issues and have a strong platform hurting people's feelings out there on the streets taking down v8s
Even though his channel is in a different language I've been watching his channel since before he got his big shops. His 800HP engine build has crazy views.
Glad you’re giving Orings a try. I recommend this same tool to Remmy after I saw his block wasn’t oring’d. That Tool works great
Pull that turbo sell it, get a nextgen 6466 and bring back a lot of the mid and lowend.
This could be why Mighty Car Mods just did the same with his H6. No matter what, your car is different and sounds amazing. Don't get lost in high HP.
Am I understanding you didn't have fun in the porsche? I am glad you're working on blu again. Didn't expect to see content so soon!
Is custom-made gasket a thing?
Like what would be used for high-powered race engines...?
Yes and no, most companies have told me no. They don’t wanna spend the money on tooling for a low volume market. They’d loose money on tooling vs what they’d sell.
This I ring option should hopefully hold better
Make sense... but sucks, lol
You’re such an inspiration to a broke car guy with a Subaru. Watching you figure shit out gives me hope
There is always a way 🫶
@@Smeedia you’re just straight up a G. I hope you know that. “I need the sti” “the sti WILL be running in less than 5 days” I love the drive
Smeedia, This is so fun! I'm happy I found your channel!
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I’m jealous asf over that shipping time.. it took the man I bought my engine from like a wk to even ship my engine off and I still have to wait til the 18th before it comes in and I bought it on the 6th…
i just watched the last video and came to find this video nice.
Perfect timing 😅
...... and I hang my blown head gasket on the trophy wall.
lol they’re achievements 😂😅
Is this diy gasket really the best solution? If it doesn't work, is the block done? Sounds like a half measure. How about getting it professionally machined for a proper fire ring gasket. Do it right, do it once.
Same process that machine shops used, instead of using a Mill I’m just doing it by hand with the tool designed for it
@@Smeedia You could get purpose-built rings with a specially designed profile and gaskets designed to work with them. I'd think the result of sandwiching some copper wire under an MLS gasket not designed for that could be quite different.
Unrelated to the video but I just ordered a very drippy M81 woodland plate carrier and I'm so excited lmao
Most Machine shop does o rings .
Tell me something I don't know. I knew the heads would lift. The limit of a mls headgasket is like 20 psi
How dare you taunt us with a new place and not give us a sneak peek 😂😂😂
The outro was in the new office space 😂 do we need a full tour? 😅
Hell ya
To the moon bro. Hahah 50psi in nuts I’m on 18 and it scares me
I want MORE 😂 I don’t need it but I want it 😂
You’re the kinda mechanic I want to be tanner. Calm, cool and collected under pressure
Why not talk to a machine shop that could scribe slots rings and deck the head block combo while it's apart never back down brother u wanted to do it right and I'd say u built it for that power and it's already apart nike just do it bub!
I also agree with moving forward on the other block but enjoy it make it work the way it's intended it's given you so many problems and is so close to holding what you want go race it
No shops will do it, so we’re on our own for it 😅
Head gasket delete and up the boost to 60 psi
Weld the heads to the block 😂
To be fair to it, 50 PSI is an insane amount of boost. 30 is plenty enough.
Do a 2j swap, you know we wanna see it😉
lol 'porsch' come onnnnnnnnnnnn smeeeeeeee say it like the name it is, pls
I meant to call it the 911 😂😅
1 inch head studs! JK
So way going 50psi ?
Is that an ej30 or ez33
Keep up the great work tanner
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Can’t wait for the next video. It will be awesome to her her rumble again
You would think this car would be able to take itself apart at this point 🤣
Lmao quick disconnect everything 😂
Remember there were issues determining the torque value required for the head studs