I agree with this 100%. I tell customers 330 hp on shit California gas, 390 with E85. If all is right, this is track day safe. A little more is possible for short duration like street use. This is if the tuning is perfect, the fueling, cooling, and everything else is great, and the engine is in good shape to start with. At higher power levels you are one knock event from killing it so it is all about the tuning. The tuner has to be smart and understand Subarus.
Hey bro We get 99 in the uk and I'm currently running 360bhp on my 2016 sti Plan is to upgrade my turbo, injectors and fuel pump and have it mapped up to 400/410 What's your thoughts on this buddy ?
@@TheMarg28 Google to see what the equivalent is since I don't know exactly but I know EU octane ratings seem higher but are equivalent to lower in the US
Pushing 360whp (mustang dyno) in a stock block 20 year old Forester. It's been on this setup for about 15k miles. 20G turbo and all the bolt-ons. Classic 92 pump gas in WA. I did all the work myself and credit Tanner for the help. There was a Smeedia video for damn near every mod. WHEN the day comes that my engine lets go I'm coming right back the channel to learn about engine building!
Currently making over 600 whp on my original STOCK engine. Tuned by @JRtuned. Ets rotated kit with gen 2 precision 6466 on e85. Here for a good time, not a long time 😅
As a dyno guy... I seem to see that 430whp is about the end of what may stay together(stock block daily), and that's assuming good fuel and not doing sustained side to side G-Load. After that I feel it always benefits the user doing something more substantial in the block/heads/gaskets. Depending on the "stock block" year/type though, you could be only safe around 350whp...
I’ll tend to push it a little farther but definitely depends on a lot of factors. I’d say 400 is typically a good spot to stop where you can get some decent life out of the engine as well. Drivers style also plays a HUGE factor
400whp/300kw seems to be the happy max spot for 207/257 from what I've seen here in Aus, not sure if we got the RA blocks or not in the 2019 onwards sti.
@@proximitybeejay3673 i know of atleast 5 people thats been running 300kw+ on stock blocks for literal years at this point, infact 1 05 STI has been running at 350kw and beaten every week for 3 years. Either luck of the draw or crap tune
This is good advice. My 05 was rebuilt. Stock internals with bolt ons and all the supportive mods I learned from you. Slightly bigger turbo. If I could walk away with 350-370 I’ll be happy. Always appreciate all the advice you given all of us. 💯💯💯💪💪💪
Left my 06 build open deck with the reason being I've got 3 boys under 10yrs old. Let's handicap this joker at 500wheel. After you've planned 400+ rods/pistons/ID1300s/fmic/ there's really only a second fuel pump and a big ole rotated snail away from 500+
Been running my Ej207 version 8 at 400whp for 4 years as a track build. A good tune and reliability mods like AOS, Cylinder #4 cooling mod, Killer B pickup and baffle = A long lasting stock block Ej207 is built better for the abuse
@@nathanielgates2863 ya my car originally had a ej255. The ej207 version 8 has big port heads, equal length headers, a twinscroll turbo, no tgv's in the intake manifold from factory, more aggressive cams, and an 8k redline.
My 2011 sti is going on 5 years and 29000 miles on my 412hp 402 tq stock engine block. Full fuel system iag AOS Cobb front mount equal length headers and a blouch dominator 5.0xtr
To the B22 fund Is there a point in going for a super built engine if I don't have access to E85 and/or it's very hard to get it where I live? Do I need to get it closed deck, forged pistons, ARP studs if I will never fill it with E85? What would your advice be for pump gas? PS. Love your content ❤
Appreciate the support my man! And tbh that’s kinda a hard question to answer without more info. You don’t NEED E85. You can make good reliable power on pump gas as well. As for a closed deck that really depends on your power goals, boost target etc
700hp/535trq on a semi open deck block tuned by yimisport raced the car for 4 seasons at the 1/4 track and local street racing still holding strong. It all depends on who built it what parts it’s running and most importantly the tuner
I love listening to you talk man these videos are my favorite definitely wish you made more videos of you talking live stream more or even had a podcast!
Id love a video like this on an FA20 from the later half of the first gen 86/brz. If you could do one thatd be awesome, but at the same time i understand that while being a boxer engine, its not one youve done as much with, and that there is less info on due to it being a "newer" subaru engine. If you cant, would you have a youtuber that youd recommend that has this type of info, but for FA20? Love your content, ive learned a ton from you over the years, keep up the good work!
Please do more podcasts with Dewey. You have so much knowledge to share. I have playlists of your videos for when I do work on my Subaru's. Thank you for your contribution to the community.
Wow what coincidence.. I was just stuck on the fence about this last night as my 4.44 Tranny and JDM EJ205 was my limiting factor for my 20G on e85. I was told my power goal of 450 is very much possible and with this explanation, I feel kind of confident in sticking with stock block.. As my bugeye is a DD
Had a 2.5RS that had a JDM Ver.5 swap. Blew up just driving normally on a cold night, about 5 minutes into my drive, no aggressive driving, nothing. Judging by the mix of colours pouring out from under my car it was not worth rebuilding and I sold it. Meanwhile, my e92 335i gains 100hp with a catless dp, tune and intake - with twice that for headroom till I hit fuelling limits. Night and day... I do miss gawking at my pearl white 2.5 RS, though..
I have an 05 forester xt 2.5 just rebuilt the stock ej255. Nippon racing pistons and bearings, scat connecting rods, forged crank, mls gaskets, all the rest is OEM subaru and completely machines and rebuilt the block and heads. 330 miles on breaking in. Stock setup. Hoping it will last 🙏
hey man, bought a 13 sti and spun a bearing a month later. motor is in the machine shop right now and theyre telling me the heads can be reconditioned and block isnt trashed. It has a .002 bore with wisco forged pistons, stock rods and crank, im looking to make 400 hp max so im probably going to stay with stock rods. your vids have been and will be so much use! thank you!
You say 400 is enough right now.... Bite the bullet man and buy rods now! Enough is never ever enough. It never ends, and you will be doing it again when you bend a rod.
I have a JDM 2.0L turbo in my 03 blob eye and I love it !! , I was told that the 2.0L can handle a lil more abuse than a 2.5 can, give or take 🤷🏻♂️ lol
The crevice volume (area between the top of the piston and the compressio ring) of a oversquare engine like the EJ is naturally bigger and thus increases hydrocarbon emissions. Gas gets stuck between the cylinder walls and the pistons, then get expulsed on the exhaust stroke. This is why Subaru had to use small ringlands, higher up on the pistons, which makes them weaker, especially during detonation events.
i ran 14 psi off a 3076 on a "stock block" ej201 (the NA SOHC) it only had a thicker HG and a standalone, ran like a top for a few years now(sold it after a month of it being finished) its wild how they can actually take decent power if you slowly ramp the torque up, that being said the gearboxes dont like it much :D
Love the video! Could you do one talking about the 2.0 wrx (02-05) motors like the EJ205. How to make them reliable, how to make power esc. There is a ton of articles and videos about the STi and built motors but not much for non STi motors.
I blew up my 2019 STI and it only had an intake and 45,000 miles. Still saving up for a built engine / heads. Definitely have trust issues now with Subarus 😢
Ring land failure, Im not going to lie i did floor it usually on on ramps and stuff (which is why i bought a sports car) but I wouldn’t say It was anything too extreme especially for stock power levels. Bought it used so maybe it was already hurt when i got it but idk. I have outfront closed deck / 1/2 in studs block and iag 750 heads ready to be assembled when i get around to it. Looking forward to my tesla to get delivered because i know it won’t break and it will make the power i was looking for, stock. 😂
Lol i sit here and watch knowing that even my 750 iag block will bite the dust someday anyways! Can't be 100% sure a built engine will last, too. My stock block handed 140k miles with around 300whp, with minor oil leaks but heres to high hopes. Haha going e85 next and im excited.
Non Ra block only lasted 33k with a 20g turbo, killer b headers, IAG oil pick up, ets TMIC, stock downpipe, fuel upgrades, cylinder 4 cooling mod, catback, Koyo radiator and pro tune. I drove the shit out of it. Everyday I was racing a car lol. Still waiting for the breakdown. I’m thinking maybe the oil pump failed. Motul 5w30 for 18 months. Never burned any. Still was full and was only two week old oil. Started knocking.
Drive it like a racer car and you’ll have race car problems 😅 Easy way to check is to see if the backing plate screws are loose. When they comes loose you can lose oil pressure
Im hoping to be around 400whp with a forged piston stock rod ej20x with a TF06-18k. Its been a solid motor up to this point and im fine with the torque loss of 2.0. Ideally i find a ej22T block or i get a thick walled 207 block. Switching to spec b 6 speed at the moment as well
Thanks for the video Tanner. I’m currently still on a stock EJ257 and I’m installing a TD05H-20G with water meth (no ethanol where I live). Hope it goes well lol
Also, is it still a first engine, with potentially compromised rod bearings from the OEM. at this point i feel like an oil analysis is almost more important than a compression test.
Thank you @smeedia I've been torn between ditching the bugeye, getting a 2020 STI, or going for another AMG with the m113k motor.. i think I'm just going to get the IAG 550 longblock, and throw down on the same grimspeed turbo...
@@Smeedia I reckon a LOT of people go down the bolt-on route without a clue what really goes on inside the engine, assuming the manufacturer builds stuff as strong as it can be. Videos like this, rare as they are, should be considered essential viewing.
This isn’t so much a stock motor as such but more a stock turbo question. I’m currently running a pw verticooler and turbosmart have plumb back bov on my stock turbo 09 Forester XT. Currently I don’t think the stock car is making enough boost to open the piston in the bov, making the car “dose” to an extent. Should I be worrying about compressor surge destroying the td04? For reference the car has 86k miles
@@Smeediathe current one I’m running does not. I’m going to switch back to my GFB Response, missing the sound of it all. With the gfb I wouldn’t expect to have any issues with it right?
Tanner what about Fa20 my 2015 have 203 000 klm I have no problème whit it im on stage 2 flat whit the accesport in i have the part for stage 3 im waitting for the header soon and my wrx 2015 running very well
Very Educational. Any chance this video can be made for wrx FA20 I’m at 371hp/349tq on flex fuel tune Dmann with some other bolt ons thanks either way I love me some cur purts ✌🏼
What are your thoughts on the FA20 motor? I remember COSWORTH did thousands of hours of research on that motor when they built the supercharger kit for it and they said “top power safe and reliable is 240.”
Yo smeedia , I’m pulling my bugeye 205 and not sure if I should do a 207 or 257 but I’m not sure how I’d get the AVCS to work so should I just do another 205. I’m just going for 350ish whp for a little daily .
Dang brother I wanted to keep my sti stock because I was scared to blow it up lol. I’m a pretty conservative driver but wouldn’t hate more power. You think I should shoot for 350whp with bolt ons? To add I only have pump gas around me. Also I’m in Connecticut so I’m not sure who to use for a tune. I don’t want to go to Mike botti though lol. Been there done that.
@@AudioHead809this was my set up. Non ra block. 360whp. 2015 STI with Killer B Headers, Cobb 20g Turbo, Invidia Q300 Catback (stock downpipe), 1050 injectors, ETS TMIC, Killer B hard inlet, Koyo Radiator, Cobb Intake, IAG AOS, Cobb Uppipe, AEM 340 fuel pump, VSC radiator hoses, 04 STI fuel regular, Grimspeed turbo heat shield, and Grimspeed 3port. Stock Fuel Rails, Lines and BPV. Ran it for 33k. Was racing cars everyday. I was hard on it. Spun a rod last week. I don’t baby my car.
@@Craiggg12345 dude thanks for all that info! I screenshot it so I can basically follow the build on my 2017 sti. Are the killer b headers something you think I should do no matter what? I love the rumble but if the equal length headers mean better drivability, better for the engine and easier to reach that power then I’ll use them for sure. Also why the 04 sti fpr if you don’t mind me asking.
are you at all familiar with the jdm ej20 with thicker cylinder walls? it is only sold in the 2015+ sti in japan but you can buy the case halves or a short block from RCM. i hear very good things about them and i am planning to throw one in my bugeye because its still a 2.0L and im looking for something to approach the 400hp mark. nothing too crazy cuz i just wanna be able to have fun in the car for a long time
Do you think a block that suffered head gasket failure could be saved by being machined - bore/hone and decking? I'd like to put some power, 300 daily on pump gas, into the car but I'm not sure if I can use the core I've got or if it would just be better buying something from Outfront or IAG.
Kinda curious, for the crank shaft, do you tend to re-use the crank shaft from a blown up engine? Or are they a part where you can't use the old one ever
Thank you for these videos man. I'm thinking of getting a JDM EJ20Z or some "standard" JDM 2L turbo motor. With the right supporting mods, how much do you think I could "reliability" get out of it?
Hey, I got a question I hope you can answer! I hate to ask forums because I know the hate I will get lol. I have a 2012 WRX Hatchback in rally blue that I love. It went from 49K to 215k without a single issue other than the clutch, brakes, tires, and headlamps. Now it has low compression in a cylinder. The car itself is in great condition. No rust, no tears inside, carpets have been always covered by mats, etc. I want to drive the car but inspection won't pass due to engine fault with cylinder. I'm curious, should I just buy an engine from eBay? They say compression is between 130-140 in all cylinders, and the engine looks VERY clean, but not clean to the point where they cleaned it just for photos... It is USDM but they don't know the mileage :( OR do you think I should rip apart my engine and rebuild the short block? I have the money but I don't want to stick too much money into this... but there is an ROI, and that is I get to drive my truck less... if I keep driving my truck, the worth of it is going to decrease more than the cost to put in a new engine into my Subaru and drive that instead. I'm good with my hands, I have tools, I've done this work before but not on Subaru (Mitsubishi is where my mechanic experience comes from), I have a truck, I have a place to work on it, etc.
I'm looking at a 12 Forester XTT with 110K. I want it but the ringland scares me. This is video helpful. Do stock EJ255 have problems before 150K? If I get it I will always use 91 gas :lol:
how are the 6 cylinders stock blocks when you start to introduce boost? I eventually wanna try to build a daily with a boosted EZ30 R and have it sit around 18-23lbs of boost.
look up videos from the aussies, forgot the guys name but he appeared in the videos mcm did with their ez30 levorg. The series is a good start for getting information, but research is key. Absolute must though is the closed deck modification, as they don't like much boost. Outfront and possum bourne motorsport did/do closed deck machining on them. Most stuff you will find will be from australia since they got the 3.0r legacies with the 6 speed.
Hey Tanner great vid 👍 - question: I'm on a stock block 15' sti - I seem to be pushing coolant, probably a lifted head? Not seeing any leaks when it's parked but am constantly topping up the overflow... will a leak down test confirm this suspicion??
Speaking on built 2.5’s sticking a 2.5 in a 05 wrx, I have decided to just go that route so I can have more head room for power. Would you do the hybrid or make 2.5 heads work? I’ve seen parts to make the 2.5 heads work just can’t find a good enough set of castings to use
Personally I would just use 2.5 heads. You can scoop D25 heads for a decent price on market place or eBay. You can do a hybrid set up if you want to. Don’t see it done as much anymore but can definitely do so if you want to 🫡
Do you or anyone you know have information on the ej22t's? I picked up a 92 legacy turbo and the factory closed deck/ oil squirter combo is enticing for doing a hybrid build on it. Only problem is finding information due to it's age and rarity lol. Only other subaru that seems this obscure is the late model 5th gen legacy gt's with the el headers and FA style turbo system.
In terms of built blocks, which manufacturers would you recommend? I'm looking to overbuild either an EJ20 or Ej25 for my 07 Impreza that I'm gonna daily with some mild-moderate spirited driving on the weekends. I want to have the option of multiple tunes for occasional track use.
Considering purchasing a stock 2021 WRX. The WRX reddit and your channel have me both really excited, and kinda scared. What issues do i need to look out for, and how can I make sure I don’t get a visit from “Uncle Rodney”?
I need an opinion: I am daily driving an 05 sti, Freshly rebuiilt heads and new block at Auto Science, a trusted subie shop near me. Although the block is stock, the internals are wiseco forged, and its tuned very well at 24 psi on a blouch 1.5xtr on Flex Fuel @ 440hp If daily driven normally with the occasional pull, would the motor last a while? Theres also a million other supporting mods like Killer b ELH, pickup, baffled pan, AOS, Oil cooler, etc
I agree with this 100%. I tell customers 330 hp on shit California gas, 390 with E85. If all is right, this is track day safe. A little more is possible for short duration like street use. This is if the tuning is perfect, the fueling, cooling, and everything else is great, and the engine is in good shape to start with. At higher power levels you are one knock event from killing it so it is all about the tuning. The tuner has to be smart and understand Subarus.
Having motoiq commend your videos has to feel legendary
Hey bro
We get 99 in the uk and I'm currently running 360bhp on my 2016 sti
Plan is to upgrade my turbo, injectors and fuel pump and have it mapped up to 400/410
What's your thoughts on this buddy ?
@@TheMarg28 Don't compare EU octane ratings to US so get that straight first
@Null-h8j Whats the difference ?
@@TheMarg28 Google to see what the equivalent is since I don't know exactly but I know EU octane ratings seem higher but are equivalent to lower in the US
The glasses are on..that means class is in session!! 🤓
I needed my super vision for this 🤓
@@Smeedia Your Suparu Vision 🤓🤓
@@Smeediathat’s a dad joke. If you aren’t already a dad, then you now know that you’re ready
Pushing 360whp (mustang dyno) in a stock block 20 year old Forester. It's been on this setup for about 15k miles. 20G turbo and all the bolt-ons. Classic 92 pump gas in WA. I did all the work myself and credit Tanner for the help. There was a Smeedia video for damn near every mod. WHEN the day comes that my engine lets go I'm coming right back the channel to learn about engine building!
A man after my own heart. I wish you all the turbo boxer fun in the world, sir! Cheers 🍻
360 WHP is max. Don't get greedy.
Better than any engine build how to on RUclips. Awesome info, think I'll build my first one this coming year
Thanks!
The supports always appreciated Joe! 🫶
Lmao this video comes out the same day Devin rips his 800hp stock block car. Godspeed Devin.
You and I both know Devin got back up engines on hand 😂😅
His Evo X or WRX?
Here for a good time, not necessarily a long time.
@@irlredline7965 it was actually his evo. Watched it earlier and thought it was one of his subbies. Still 800hp on stock internals
@@irlredline7965evo x
Professor Smeedia is lecturing folks gather round
🫡🫡🫡🫡
Currently making over 600 whp on my original STOCK engine. Tuned by @JRtuned. Ets rotated kit with gen 2 precision 6466 on e85. Here for a good time, not a long time 😅
I’m all for it my guy 😂😅
JRtuned is awesome. My 2015 STi still going strong with his magic.
FA series block?! Ej would just go 🤯 at that lol
@@gripwerxracinghe’s running ej
@@ALW96 that’s impressive as hell. Open deck, stock internals?
As a dyno guy... I seem to see that 430whp is about the end of what may stay together(stock block daily), and that's assuming good fuel and not doing sustained side to side G-Load. After that I feel it always benefits the user doing something more substantial in the block/heads/gaskets. Depending on the "stock block" year/type though, you could be only safe around 350whp...
I’ll tend to push it a little farther but definitely depends on a lot of factors. I’d say 400 is typically a good spot to stop where you can get some decent life out of the engine as well. Drivers style also plays a HUGE factor
400whp/300kw seems to be the happy max spot for 207/257 from what I've seen here in Aus, not sure if we got the RA blocks or not in the 2019 onwards sti.
@@longdomedia lol. Had a few now and i would go as far as saying 250 kw MAX and every day you wait lol ( Aussie also )
@@proximitybeejay3673 i know of atleast 5 people thats been running 300kw+ on stock blocks for literal years at this point, infact 1 05 STI has been running at 350kw and beaten every week for 3 years. Either luck of the draw or crap tune
Would you say that how people drive them is the biggest factor you see in engine failures?
This is good advice. My 05 was rebuilt. Stock internals with bolt ons and all the supportive mods I learned from you. Slightly bigger turbo. If I could walk away with 350-370 I’ll be happy. Always appreciate all the advice you given all of us. 💯💯💯💪💪💪
Should be a solid stopping point right there with plenty of power to have fun with 🥳
I’m at 340 rn feels great
Left my 06 build open deck with the reason being I've got 3 boys under 10yrs old.
Let's handicap this joker at 500wheel. After you've planned 400+ rods/pistons/ID1300s/fmic/ there's really only a second fuel pump and a big ole rotated snail away from 500+
Been running my Ej207 version 8 at 400whp for 4 years as a track build.
A good tune and reliability mods like AOS, Cylinder #4 cooling mod, Killer B pickup and baffle
= A long lasting stock block
Ej207 is built better for the abuse
The thicker cylinder liners in the 207 are a huuuuge thing with factory blocks 🔥
Rod ratio helps a lot with that too.
So youre telling me if my ej blows up to use a 207
@@nathanielgates2863 ya my car originally had a ej255.
The ej207 version 8 has big port heads, equal length headers, a twinscroll turbo, no tgv's in the intake manifold from factory, more aggressive cams, and an 8k redline.
@@ryanc2360 Sounds like how they should all come lol
really helpful information Tanner! my 17 sti finally makes power after contact with you, and it has so much fun even not making full power.
Eyyyy what’s she making right now? 🥳
@@Smeedia 320 at e70. the clutch is on the way out. so dial the power and torque it down, as it is my DD. so much fun
My 2011 sti is going on 5 years and 29000 miles on my 412hp 402 tq stock engine block. Full fuel system iag AOS Cobb front mount equal length headers and a blouch dominator 5.0xtr
i want to build my first block with these videos and the first purchase was a big table to hold everything lol
Having a good table makes a huge difference. Those fold out tables get sketchy 😂😅
To the B22 fund
Is there a point in going for a super built engine if I don't have access to E85 and/or it's very hard to get it where I live?
Do I need to get it closed deck, forged pistons, ARP studs if I will never fill it with E85?
What would your advice be for pump gas?
PS. Love your content ❤
Appreciate the support my man! And tbh that’s kinda a hard question to answer without more info.
You don’t NEED E85. You can make good reliable power on pump gas as well. As for a closed deck that really depends on your power goals, boost target etc
@@Smeedia My goal is 300-400 HP. But everyone I ask says: you can't make that power "reliably" on pump gas.
Great info on the EJ series. I am really curious to see what the limits are for FA24.
700hp/535trq on a semi open deck block tuned by yimisport raced the car for 4 seasons at the 1/4 track and local street racing still holding strong. It all depends on who built it what parts it’s running and most importantly the tuner
I have v7 207 and I'm still here watching lol interesting to watch and still learn a couple things along the way.
You should do a video on what turbo to get from street use, street track and drag racing. I know there's a lot of variables on it
There’s a ton of options but I can do one with my recommendations 🫡
@Smeedia sounds good my dude!
I love listening to you talk man these videos are my favorite definitely wish you made more videos of you talking live stream more or even had a podcast!
I’d make more but I feel like I’ve covered most topics 😂😅
Id love a video like this on an FA20 from the later half of the first gen 86/brz. If you could do one thatd be awesome, but at the same time i understand that while being a boxer engine, its not one youve done as much with, and that there is less info on due to it being a "newer" subaru engine. If you cant, would you have a youtuber that youd recommend that has this type of info, but for FA20?
Love your content, ive learned a ton from you over the years, keep up the good work!
Please do more podcasts with Dewey. You have so much knowledge to share. I have playlists of your videos for when I do work on my Subaru's. Thank you for your contribution to the community.
I’ll bug him some more and see what he has going on 😂😅
Yooooo 🤘
@@DeweyWRXDewey I made this just for you since you yelled at me 😂
Wow what coincidence.. I was just stuck on the fence about this last night as my 4.44 Tranny and JDM EJ205 was my limiting factor for my 20G on e85. I was told my power goal of 450 is very much possible and with this explanation, I feel kind of confident in sticking with stock block.. As my bugeye is a DD
450 is where your flirty with danger. Just keep that in mind 😅
@@Smeedia Ahaha I only truly want 400 but just knowing where my headspace is, is really helpful. Thank you so much for the info on the 2.5!
love the info i am going on 3 years on 416 whp and 456 torque on stock block but i maintain the hell out i think maintaice is key
To split the case i always use a scissor jack wedged in the bell housing , seems to work with out wacking away at soft aluminum
Scissor jacks not a bad idea, a dead blow won’t do any harm to the bellowing though. Cracked open a ton of engines that way
@@Smeedia yeh no disrespect, jus throwing that out there some people seem to be gorillas when working on subarus , broken stuff etc 😂
This video has convinced me to close deck my bug eye project car and full send it with a moon tune
Had a 2.5RS that had a JDM Ver.5 swap. Blew up just driving normally on a cold night, about 5 minutes into my drive, no aggressive driving, nothing. Judging by the mix of colours pouring out from under my car it was not worth rebuilding and I sold it. Meanwhile, my e92 335i gains 100hp with a catless dp, tune and intake - with twice that for headroom till I hit fuelling limits. Night and day... I do miss gawking at my pearl white 2.5 RS, though..
This makes me appreciate the evo x a lot more. Mine is at 500whp only on 93 pump gas, stock original motor (except for built head) with 166k miles.
I have an 05 forester xt 2.5 just rebuilt the stock ej255. Nippon racing pistons and bearings, scat connecting rods, forged crank, mls gaskets, all the rest is OEM subaru and completely machines and rebuilt the block and heads. 330 miles on breaking in. Stock setup. Hoping it will last 🙏
Oh boy!!! This video should get you some content points with the almighty RUclips algo!
Looking good Tanner! Like an extroverted engineer😁!
hey man, bought a 13 sti and spun a bearing a month later. motor is in the machine shop right now and theyre telling me the heads can be reconditioned and block isnt trashed. It has a .002 bore with wisco forged pistons, stock rods and crank, im looking to make 400 hp max so im probably going to stay with stock rods. your vids have been and will be so much use! thank you!
You say 400 is enough right now.... Bite the bullet man and buy rods now! Enough is never ever enough. It never ends, and you will be doing it again when you bend a rod.
@@joshuaquilliam2887 haha made a trip to the machine shop to drop some stuff off and I ended up ordering eagle rods! Did bite the bullet lol
Metalurgy on RA pistons is the same as old pistons. I checked that myself.
Good to know, last report I saw had em slightly different. Curious if it was just that batch that was tested.
@@Smeedia I posted the results on IWSTI. I can email you the report if you like.
I have a JDM 2.0L turbo in my 03 blob eye and I love it !! , I was told that the 2.0L can handle a lil more abuse than a 2.5 can, give or take 🤷🏻♂️ lol
The crevice volume (area between the top of the piston and the compressio ring) of a oversquare engine like the EJ is naturally bigger and thus increases hydrocarbon emissions. Gas gets stuck between the cylinder walls and the pistons, then get expulsed on the exhaust stroke. This is why Subaru had to use small ringlands, higher up on the pistons, which makes them weaker, especially during detonation events.
i ran 14 psi off a 3076 on a "stock block" ej201 (the NA SOHC) it only had a thicker HG and a standalone, ran like a top for a few years now(sold it after a month of it being finished) its wild how they can actually take decent power if you slowly ramp the torque up, that being said the gearboxes dont like it much :D
Love the video! Could you do one talking about the 2.0 wrx (02-05) motors like the EJ205. How to make them reliable, how to make power esc. There is a ton of articles and videos about the STi and built motors but not much for non STi motors.
As someone who I’ve followed religiously building Subarus and me who owns one think I’ll take your advice
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Awe lawd!!!! Finally someone in the social space talking some truth out here.
I blew up my 2019 STI and it only had an intake and 45,000 miles. Still saving up for a built engine / heads. Definitely have trust issues now with Subarus 😢
Understandable 😢 what was the failure?
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Ring land failure, Im not going to lie i did floor it usually on on ramps and stuff (which is why i bought a sports car) but I wouldn’t say It was anything too extreme especially for stock power levels. Bought it used so maybe it was already hurt when i got it but idk.
I have outfront closed deck / 1/2 in studs block and iag 750 heads ready to be assembled when i get around to it.
Looking forward to my tesla to get delivered because i know it won’t break and it will make the power i was looking for, stock. 😂
Intake with no tune?
Perhaps not using 93 octane with the intake?
@@buzzyshizzle5188 Its a pretty common thing for the cast pistons to fail even when stock.
Lol i sit here and watch knowing that even my 750 iag block will bite the dust someday anyways! Can't be 100% sure a built engine will last, too. My stock block handed 140k miles with around 300whp, with minor oil leaks but heres to high hopes. Haha going e85 next and im excited.
Very true! But the 750 will definitely take abuse and power but better 💪
Im pushing 510whp and 445wtq on e85 with the stock RA block and ive had no issues so far
Phenomena video as always. Excellent breakdown and comparison. -respect-
Phenomenal
Hah, I have an EJ207 and I'm watching this video (G'day from West Australia)
Awesome informative video! Really enjoy these!
Always down to do these. Feel
Like I’ve covered most topics though 😅
Non Ra block only lasted 33k with a 20g turbo, killer b headers, IAG oil pick up, ets TMIC, stock downpipe, fuel upgrades, cylinder 4 cooling mod, catback, Koyo radiator and pro tune. I drove the shit out of it. Everyday I was racing a car lol. Still waiting for the breakdown. I’m thinking maybe the oil pump failed. Motul 5w30 for 18 months. Never burned any. Still was full and was only two week old oil. Started knocking.
Any oil cooler?
Drive it like a racer car and you’ll have race car problems 😅
Easy way to check is to see if the backing plate screws are loose. When they comes loose you can lose oil pressure
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@@Smeediayeah I never checked it. Car is at 155k.
On a side by side of cylinder walls between FA24 and EJ25 the walls are so much thicker in the 24
Im hoping to be around 400whp with a forged piston stock rod ej20x with a TF06-18k. Its been a solid motor up to this point and im fine with the torque loss of 2.0. Ideally i find a ej22T block or i get a thick walled 207 block. Switching to spec b 6 speed at the moment as well
Good video! I wanna see more of that blue S2000 on white TE37's please!
Ej207 w20c jdm die around 400 here in uk many have died around 380-400 cracked pistons
Thanks for the video Tanner. I’m currently still on a stock EJ257 and I’m installing a TD05H-20G with water meth (no ethanol where I live). Hope it goes well lol
Make sure you have some safeties in place for the meth kit. Should be a fun car when done 🥳
@@Smeedia I did get the AEM solenoid for safety! Other than that I’m running every reliability mod that exists for an EJ
Also, is it still a first engine, with potentially compromised rod bearings from the OEM. at this point i feel like an oil analysis is almost more important than a compression test.
Happy Labor day 🎊, Tanner 🥳
Happy Labor Day Brad!
So much knowledge. Thanks heaps keeps em coming pls.
Thank you @smeedia
I've been torn between ditching the bugeye, getting a 2020 STI, or going for another AMG with the m113k motor..
i think I'm just going to get the IAG 550 longblock, and throw down on the same grimspeed turbo...
Bug eye is more raw. A 2020 is a balance with comfort and performance when modded.
Highly educational and very well presented dude, nice one. :)
Thanks buddy 🥳🫡 seen this brought up wayyyy too many times 😅
@@Smeedia I reckon a LOT of people go down the bolt-on route without a clue what really goes on inside the engine, assuming the manufacturer builds stuff as strong as it can be. Videos like this, rare as they are, should be considered essential viewing.
Sit back relax and enjoy 🤙
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Ej207 checking in here 😅
There’s still a handful out there 😅💪
This isn’t so much a stock motor as such but more a stock turbo question. I’m currently running a pw verticooler and turbosmart have plumb back bov on my stock turbo 09 Forester XT. Currently I don’t think the stock car is making enough boost to open the piston in the bov, making the car “dose” to an extent. Should I be worrying about compressor surge destroying the td04? For reference the car has 86k miles
I wouldn’t stress it much tbh, you might see accelerated wear but nothing that should be radical or immediate. Does the BPV have an adjustment to it?
@@Smeediathe current one I’m running does not. I’m going to switch back to my GFB Response, missing the sound of it all. With the gfb I wouldn’t expect to have any issues with it right?
Great break down bro
Thanks buddy 🙏🙏
2012 wrx sedan. 380whp stock longblock. 1k miles until I break 100k! Bought it at 60k completely bone stock. 🎉
This was such a nice vid that explanation was really helpful to see
I have a wrx too and I’m debating swapping the engine jus for these reasons
Tanner what about Fa20 my 2015 have 203 000 klm I have no problème whit it im on stage 2 flat whit the accesport in i have the part for stage 3 im waitting for the header soon and my wrx 2015 running very well
Great episode! With extra wooooooooooooo! 🤪
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Just torque everything down double the manufacturers specs and it'll last forever 🤗
lol this sounds like an experiment that needs to be done 😂
@@Smeedia lol you first 😂
Thanks for the education!
Anytime! 🫡
Very Educational. Any chance this video can be made for wrx FA20 I’m at 371hp/349tq on flex fuel tune Dmann with some other bolt ons thanks either way I love me some cur purts ✌🏼
Great video!!! Thank you for posting...
So i can get an accessport with headers, intake, and down pipe to the already installed catback and not worry to much for a daily driver ‘13 wrx? 😅
I’d toss some id1050s and a fuel pump in but you should be solid 💪
What are your thoughts on the FA20 motor? I remember COSWORTH did thousands of hours of research on that motor when they built the supercharger kit for it and they said “top power safe and reliable is 240.”
Yo smeedia , I’m pulling my bugeye 205 and not sure if I should do a 207 or 257 but I’m not sure how I’d get the AVCS to work so should I just do another 205. I’m just going for 350ish whp for a little daily .
Dang brother I wanted to keep my sti stock because I was scared to blow it up lol. I’m a pretty conservative driver but wouldn’t hate more power. You think I should shoot for 350whp with bolt ons?
To add I only have pump gas around me. Also I’m in Connecticut so I’m not sure who to use for a tune. I don’t want to go to Mike botti though lol. Been there done that.
I would feel pretty confident about 350, been done numerous times in the past. Plenty of good tuners out there as well!
@@Smeedia appreciate it! Any mods I should avoid on my journey?
@@AudioHead809this was my set up. Non ra block. 360whp.
2015 STI with Killer B Headers, Cobb 20g Turbo, Invidia Q300 Catback (stock downpipe), 1050 injectors, ETS TMIC, Killer B hard inlet, Koyo Radiator, Cobb Intake, IAG AOS, Cobb Uppipe, AEM 340 fuel pump, VSC radiator hoses, 04 STI fuel regular, Grimspeed turbo heat shield, and Grimspeed 3port. Stock Fuel Rails, Lines and BPV.
Ran it for 33k. Was racing cars everyday. I was hard on it. Spun a rod last week. I don’t baby my car.
@@Craiggg12345 dude thanks for all that info! I screenshot it so I can basically follow the build on my 2017 sti. Are the killer b headers something you think I should do no matter what? I love the rumble but if the equal length headers mean better drivability, better for the engine and easier to reach that power then I’ll use them for sure. Also why the 04 sti fpr if you don’t mind me asking.
Pray to the Head Gasket Gods for longevity.
Just delete em 👀👀👀
are you at all familiar with the jdm ej20 with thicker cylinder walls? it is only sold in the 2015+ sti in japan but you can buy the case halves or a short block from RCM. i hear very good things about them and i am planning to throw one in my bugeye because its still a 2.0L and im looking for something to approach the 400hp mark. nothing too crazy cuz i just wanna be able to have fun in the car for a long time
If you are looking to upgrade. Look for engines that start with 4G63. Oh and get the rest of the car too. Trust me it's an upgrade.
😂😂😂😂 cmon
290whp/300wtq on my 2011 WRX.. daily it and its gonna stay at this power level for sure. Plenty for a daily. Motorcycles for going fast lol
Do you think a block that suffered head gasket failure could be saved by being machined - bore/hone and decking? I'd like to put some power, 300 daily on pump gas, into the car but I'm not sure if I can use the core I've got or if it would just be better buying something from Outfront or IAG.
Totally as long as it’s not overly warped you should be solid to send it out for machine work 🫡
What are your thoughts on a open deck block with forged pistons & rods? What is the power threshold/realizability in your opinion for that set up
Kinda curious, for the crank shaft, do you tend to re-use the crank shaft from a blown up engine? Or are they a part where you can't use the old one ever
Nope I always toss and use new. New cranks aren’t too spendy.
When you going to get more shirts and hoodies in of the modify all dailys?
Thank you for these videos man.
I'm thinking of getting a JDM EJ20Z or some "standard" JDM 2L turbo motor. With the right supporting mods, how much do you think I could "reliability" get out of it?
Hey, I got a question I hope you can answer! I hate to ask forums because I know the hate I will get lol. I have a 2012 WRX Hatchback in rally blue that I love. It went from 49K to 215k without a single issue other than the clutch, brakes, tires, and headlamps. Now it has low compression in a cylinder. The car itself is in great condition. No rust, no tears inside, carpets have been always covered by mats, etc. I want to drive the car but inspection won't pass due to engine fault with cylinder.
I'm curious, should I just buy an engine from eBay? They say compression is between 130-140 in all cylinders, and the engine looks VERY clean, but not clean to the point where they cleaned it just for photos... It is USDM but they don't know the mileage :(
OR do you think I should rip apart my engine and rebuild the short block? I have the money but I don't want to stick too much money into this... but there is an ROI, and that is I get to drive my truck less... if I keep driving my truck, the worth of it is going to decrease more than the cost to put in a new engine into my Subaru and drive that instead.
I'm good with my hands, I have tools, I've done this work before but not on Subaru (Mitsubishi is where my mechanic experience comes from), I have a truck, I have a place to work on it, etc.
I'm looking at a 12 Forester XTT with 110K. I want it but the ringland scares me. This is video helpful. Do stock EJ255 have problems before 150K? If I get it I will always use 91 gas :lol:
I’ve seen factory engines go all the way to 400K miles. It really depends on the life it lived tbh
how are the 6 cylinders stock blocks when you start to introduce boost? I eventually wanna try to build a daily with a boosted EZ30 R and have it sit around 18-23lbs of boost.
look up videos from the aussies, forgot the guys name but he appeared in the videos mcm did with their ez30 levorg. The series is a good start for getting information, but research is key. Absolute must though is the closed deck modification, as they don't like much boost. Outfront and possum bourne motorsport did/do closed deck machining on them. Most stuff you will find will be from australia since they got the 3.0r legacies with the 6 speed.
Depending on the 6 cylinder engine you intend to use
Hey Tanner great vid 👍 - question: I'm on a stock block 15' sti - I seem to be pushing coolant, probably a lifted head? Not seeing any leaks when it's parked but am constantly topping up the overflow... will a leak down test confirm this suspicion??
Speaking on built 2.5’s sticking a 2.5 in a 05 wrx, I have decided to just go that route so I can have more head room for power. Would you do the hybrid or make 2.5 heads work? I’ve seen parts to make the 2.5 heads work just can’t find a good enough set of castings to use
Personally I would just use 2.5 heads. You can scoop D25 heads for a decent price on market place or eBay. You can do a hybrid set up if you want to. Don’t see it done as much anymore but can definitely do so if you want to 🫡
@@Smeedia I’ll have to keep looking, I’ve decided it’s probably better to just build a 257 vs building a 205 lol
I could’ve sworn you made a video on each IAG short block and how much power they can hold and breakdown the bhp and the whp but I can’t find it ! 😭
Not me 😅 I think IAG has a video on that though
Do you or anyone you know have information on the ej22t's? I picked up a 92 legacy turbo and the factory closed deck/ oil squirter combo is enticing for doing a hybrid build on it. Only problem is finding information due to it's age and rarity lol. Only other subaru that seems this obscure is the late model 5th gen legacy gt's with the el headers and FA style turbo system.
Running stock power with sleeved chamber, 14mm bolt, forged piston and stuff. Still afraid to push at the track :( . Please, be gentle with me.
In terms of built blocks, which manufacturers would you recommend? I'm looking to overbuild either an EJ20 or Ej25 for my 07 Impreza that I'm gonna daily with some mild-moderate spirited driving on the weekends. I want to have the option of multiple tunes for occasional track use.
Considering purchasing a stock 2021 WRX. The WRX reddit and your channel have me both really excited, and kinda scared. What issues do i need to look out for, and how can I make sure I don’t get a visit from “Uncle Rodney”?
Would you recommend forged internationals for a sub 400 whp daily driver (no track use)
Will it be easier to maintain temperature like oil and water heat on close deck engines? or just a build one like RA block will hold.
Can you do the FA engine too?
Any 207 owners here. Superior motor than the 257
207s built like a tank
Hello fellow 207 owner..lol..
I Agree with Smeedia, built like a tank.
Over 900whp on mine and no issues.
comedic timing as i just blew out cyl 3s ringland :)
I need an opinion:
I am daily driving an 05 sti, Freshly rebuiilt heads and new block at Auto Science, a trusted subie shop near me. Although the block is stock, the internals are wiseco forged, and its tuned very well at 24 psi on a blouch 1.5xtr on Flex Fuel @ 440hp
If daily driven normally with the occasional pull, would the motor last a while? Theres also a million other supporting mods like Killer b ELH, pickup, baffled pan, AOS, Oil cooler, etc
What are the biggest differences between a Subaru vs Porsche boxer engine?
Tbh depends on the Porsche engine. The turbos and most newer ones use dry sumps. On some older P cars the cylinders actually bolt onto the case halves
Do you have any experience with EJ22 block with 2.5 heads? If so, your thoughts in general.
Unfortunately no, I rarely ever see any EJ22T engines 😢
Quite enjoying the power we can pull from these stock FA24s 😈