Okay felony, but your argument still doesn't make up for the difference in Hall versus Larsson. That deal ruined every teams chances of trading for D when it happened as well. Who wants to give up their top forwards for D that aren't worth the same. I am so happy Hall finally hit his potential this season. Now we no longer have to live with devil ransoms to trade for second pairing D.
TheRobloxMoose 1845 you couldn’t be more wrong hahaha. One of Nicos great assets is that he doesn’t cheat for offense and plays the game the right way. He’s relentless on the back check. On Halls OT goal against the Pens, he strips the puck off of Kessel and sends Hall on his way for the winner. You probably shouldnt make shrewd comments on players you dont watch. You come off as extremely ignorant
Crazy how someone who admits they don't watch the devils can claim Nico is a bum and all offense based on highlights alone lmao, Nico is so good because of his fantastic two way game which don't show in highlights. As the other guy said you clearly know nothing about the devils or hockey in general, but I don't know what I expected from a guy with Roblox in their name
Taylor Hall 42 more points than his next teammate that’s like a whole another player. Mackinnon has had an amazing year but only 12 more points than Rantanen.
Gotta go with Hall. To be 42 pts above his teams next leading scorer is insane. He literally is the only reason the New Jersey Devils are able to ceompete
As an Oilers fan, this hurts to see as you could only imagine how good Hall would be flanking McDavid's wing. But, I'm glad to see Hall having remarkable success. He's a true winner, which was exemplified by his back to back Mem cup MVP titles. Good on him, only wish him the best of luck moving forward. Thanks, Chiarelli.
RUclips Sucks yeah I mean I have nothing against larsson but he doesnt even have a points and ya know his skill and defensive play is nowhere near a 4th overall pick. Actually he was considered a 1st overall until hopkins didnt beat him. Imagine him being taken 1st.........
Nicolas Lahky Yea i know what you mean. Larsson is good to have but Hall is probably gonna score like 95-100 points and like 40 goals which is just insane with the teammates he has. To be fair the 2011 draft was pretty bad
deonal I knew it was a stupid deal then, and I can't imagine anyone felt differently. I was extremely pissed that my Rangers didn't offer McDonough, which would have been enough to get him. All I can say is that the whole NHL is lucky that Hall is not playing on a line with McDavid. They'd each have at least 130 points by now!
Edmonton brass were idiots in letting Chiarelli with this history of dealing Tyler Seguin from the Bruins and then letting him move Hall was insanity! McDonough is the better Dman too btw!
deonal I couldn't believe what they traded Hall for, and I couldn't believe the Rangers didn't step up and offer McDonough. The Rangers NEVER trade for young superstars, only older ones. This would have been a win win for both teams, even though McDonough still shouldn't have been enough to get Hall. But the Oilers would have been better off with McDonough than what they got. I love watching all these great young players there are today. The league hasn't been this talented since the Gretzky, Lemieux era.
Agreed. I'm an Edmontonian and I remember blasting Chia for this deal, while the vast majority of fans here ridiculed me for thinking the deal was a complete rip off. LIterallly everyone in those hf boards were so delusional they actually banned me because they didn't want to hear that Taylor Hall trade was the biggest oilers management mistake since the Gretzky trade. The fans here are pathetically delusional and two faced, the same fans that were applauding the deal, are the now the same fans that are blasting Chia for the trade. What a joke
Gambl0r I just can't believe that anyone EVER thought it was a good deal for the Oilers. I knew they got robbed immediately, that's why I was so upset that the Rangers didn't try to get him. It was a ridiculously lopsided trade all along. But at least you guys have the best player in the world to build around!
Hall. Earlier I had MacKinnon but the way Hall has put the whole NJ team on his shoulders is just amazing. Also comparing the point gap between Hall and the second highest scoring player on the Devils makes everything even more clear. MacKinnon have Rantaanen which trails him with 11 points and 2 other players whom has more points than the second highest scoring Devils player. For me its a clear cut that its Hall for the Hart.
How can Mackinnon win the Hart when the second highest point scorer on his team has 82 points? Not saying Mackinnon isn’t valuable but he can’t be more valuable than Hall who’s 42 points ahead of the second highest point scorer on his team. There is nobody near the talent level of Hall on the Devils and he’s the true MVP.
Mack also has less games played, and the team with the weaker Goaltending and defense. He's also taken them from the worst team last season to a playoff contender. He also has more points than Hall in less games played and his point-per-game average is higher than McDavids. Mack also has 28 less give aways than Hall this season.
MacKinnon has missed a bunch of games so get out. He'd be at 97-100 at this point in time. I'd give it to Mack. Took a BAFFLING last-place Colorado team to playoff contention that says something.
CanadianBorn Hall missed games too so that point is moot. MacKinnon has been kind of invisible lately when the games matter. Hall on the other has been fire in clutch games.
Kucherov isn't getting shafted, he plays on a team with a potential Norris winner, a potential Vezina winner and some guy named Stamkos. He's the one guy that you could take away from his team and they are still comfortably in the playoffs.
At first I was saying mack but he has elite level talent around him. Landes, rantanen, barrie. Hall doesnt have that (yet) in the devils and hes still killing it. I gotta say hall.
Claude Giroux should get a mention . If Colorado doesn't make it it should be Hall or Giroux but I say Hall because he has carried the team the most out of the 3
If every player in the league is eligible to win the trophy it goes to McDavid. With this made up playoff rule than its Hall I guess. The Hart trophy is tainted in my opinion.
How can these guys be professional commentators and rattle off 9 names without saying Kopitar? This should be a three horse race of Mackinnon / Hall / Kopitar.
The other main criteria, besides making the playoffs, is not having another superstar on his team. That excludes Kucherov, Wheeler, Malkin, etc... The only 3 who honestly deserve it are MacKinnon, Hall and McDavid. If you only want playoff teams, then it's MacKinnon vs Hall. Good arguments can be made for both, and it should be really close. Their numbers are almost identical too. I see more of Hall, living in NY, but I've seen enough of MacKinnon to know he's just as deserving. So this Rangers fan picks...Hall or MacKinnon. Too close to call! 😀
King85Kong Absolutely. The voters are very fickle and have ridiculous unofficial guidelines that they go by. It's not a player's fault if he carries his entire team, but still doesn't make the playoffs. The opposite is also true, that it's not his fault if he has other good players around him. It should still be pretty easy to tell which guy is the most valuable. Maybe they should change the voting. Have each team pick their own MVP, and then let the voters decide who's the best, regardless of what his team or teammates did or didn't accomplish.
Poor McDavid, the award is for the most valuable player to their TEAM. McDavid is by far the most most important player to his team as he has more than double the points of the third highest scorer on the Oilers (RNH). Leads the team in +-, plays on both the power play and penalty kill. And has 20+ more even strength points than any other player in the league. He has a 6 point lead in the scoring race on a team will NO good wingers and no help offensively. He’s doing all of this on a bottom 25 team. But he won’t win because his goalie has the worst stats in the entire league plunging the team out of playoff contention (literally has a .899 3.78 GAA)
True but hart trophy is awarded to the player who has the most impact on his team's success. Hall and MacKinnnon are literally dragging their teams to the playoffs which is why they're in the conversation and McDavid isn't
Mario missed the playoffs by 1 point, had 70 goals and almost 20 more points than Gretzky...McDavid is having a great individual season on a bottom 5 team...
I never thought I would see this day my two favorite players Hall & MacKinnon battling out for the Hart Trophy I still think Hall should win it because of the fact that he's 42 points ahead of anyone else on his team and there's basically no other star player besides himself
To me, a player who stepped up their game to a new level in order to help their team is a big factor. You could say that of most of the players in contention, but truly Hall and MacKinnon are above everyone else in that category. Well... Staal too maybe
It's gotta go to Hall man. It doesn't mean hes the best player in the league, but come on, the next leading scorer is a rookie, hischier with 52. Hall has 93 points. That type of difference is huge. I can't even imagine what his % of his teams points are but it's the greatest difference in the NHL for sure. Probably in a while. To top it off it carried them into the playoffs. Hall this year is the definition of MVP performance. The absolute definition.
MacKinnon has had a great season. But saying he should win the Hart is the same as saying Kucherov, Malkin or Giroux should win it. The guys that these players play with are so much better than who Hall plays with. Those other guys are just a piece of their teams engine. Hall is the engine. The amount of big goals he scored this year outweighs anything that Nate and Giroux have done.
Well if non-playoff teams are considered contenders for hart should we not be missing guys like Gaudreau, Patty Kane, or can’t forget D men. Erik Karlsson. That being said I agree with Mackinnon/Hall as finalists.
I'm a Colorado fan, so I'm obviously biased and rooting for MacKinnon. I think he's a lock if Colorado makes the playoffs considering where they were last year. If he wasn't injured Mack could possibly be leading the scoring race. Having said that, Hall has been incredible, especially down the stretch, where Mack has been held pointless in 3 of the last 4. You really can't go wrong with either. Just imagine Hall on a line with McDavid.....beauty trade Edmonton!
Still have yet to hear anyone explain how the best player in the league isn't the most valuable to his team. Would love to hear it. Hart trophy is tainted.
Think of it this way. Where would Edmonton be this season if McDavid was injured all year? Where do you think New Jersey would be if Hall was injured all year?
360flip19 That's an interesting way to look at it. Hall: 42 point difference between 2nd in points and 49 point difference between 3rd in points. MCDavid: 35 point difference with 2nd in points and 58 point difference between 3rd in points. Edmonton's depth is none existent. Well both teams lack depth. NJD top 5 in points: 93, 51, 44, 44, 35 Edmonton top 5 in points: 103, 68, 45, 34, 33 If you switch the two players McDavid goes to the playoffs and Hall is going golfing. Really does come down to the luck of the team you're on. Why I'm not a big fan of this award. To many artificial rules required to win it.
McDavid for Hart. Playoffs or not, most valuable player is the one that I want on my team and out of all players in the NHL he's the one that stands out over all the rest
He and Giroux are definitely not getting enough consideration. I'd still give it to Hall but those two plus MacKinnon are serious contenders to be finalists.
How can it be anyone else but Hall? Everyone has someone great to play with. Mack has Mikko who has 80 points along with Landeskog and Barrie who all have more points than Hischier. Hall is playing with a lot less talent surrounding him than everyone else. Every other Hart candidate has a solid 60+ point player to play with except Kopitar.
MacKinnon has more points than hall with fewer games played, leads the league in game winning goals, and was the reason Colorado pulled up their socks and made the playoffs. New jersey was top in their division before Taylor hall took off this year... So I mean...
McDavid should win. Best player in the NHL. If playoff determines if you can win it or not, then its a meaningless trophy. Best player in the league is obviously the most important to his team. If it is a requirement than it should be in writing. Only players on playoff teams are eligible to win the trophy. Make it black and white.
Why no mention of Kopitar? No Carter for the entire season. Leads the NHL in PK ice time. Guy is a work horse. All that and he has 91 points. He's better than those two clowns who don't play both ends of the ice. Kopitar > MacKinnon > Hall
To me Mackinnon wins based off of points per game and team improvement. Hall is a great player no doubt but Mackinnon is responsible for pulling Colorado out of the basement.
El Fuego 52 The only 3 real MVPs to their teams are McDavid, MacKinnon and Hall. Everyone else has help. Otherwise there would be 10 or more viable candidates who've had great seasons.
Daniel Olivette They both deserve it. Maybe they'll be co-MVPs. And you're right, he is insanely good, and will only get better with age. The Devils are set for years. Now maybe the Rangers can get a Laine to skate with Zibanejad. He's really our only possible star right now if he stays healthy for a full season. Until then, I'm still rooting for the Devs and Jets to play in the Finals. That would be an awesome matchup.
I still think this "making the playoffs to win it" is the biggest load of bull dung. It isn't a playoff award. Plus, no one player individually "drags their team to the playoffs" like alot of so called experts say. If Mackinnon misses the playoffs by 2 points, all of a sudden he is out of contention?! Come one guys....that is not logical at all.
Rusty Shackleford Not close at all. The two bog dogs the past decade have been Ovi and Sid; Connor blew away both their regular season 5v5 points this year. If the Oilers had even a halfway decent powerplay, he would have 120+ points right now and there would noy even be a discussion about this. Playoffs or not.
Still have yet to hear anyone explain how the best player in the league isn't the most valuable to his team. Would love to hear it. The Hart trophy is tainted in my opinion.
Ice So the best player in the entire league doesn't add value to his team? That doesn't make sense. Hockey is a team sport, no one player can make the playoffs by themselves. To suggest otherwise is delusional. Even the best players only play 20-30 minutes a game. So they are not involved with the play for half the game. Must count on others to do their job.
Jon Kotowich McDavid is the best player in the world, period. Too bad he doesn't get any help. Get him a star winger and he'd have 150 pts. easy. He may be as close to Gretzky and Lemieux as we'll get for a long, long time.
Still can't believe Hall was traded for Larsson.
he has always been on another level, but injuries kept hall down. we all knew in edmonton how great he is
Okay felony, but your argument still doesn't make up for the difference in Hall versus Larsson. That deal ruined every teams chances of trading for D when it happened as well. Who wants to give up their top forwards for D that aren't worth the same. I am so happy Hall finally hit his potential this season. Now we no longer have to live with devil ransoms to trade for second pairing D.
Hall easily. Mac has way more help. Hall is pulling this team himself.
Hall is 42 points above the second highest scorer on his team. That’s the definition of the MVP
TheRobloxMoose 1845 Nico is a bum? I see you haven’t watched any Devils games this season
TheRobloxMoose 1845 you couldn’t be more wrong hahaha. One of Nicos great assets is that he doesn’t cheat for offense and plays the game the right way. He’s relentless on the back check. On Halls OT goal against the Pens, he strips the puck off of Kessel and sends Hall on his way for the winner. You probably shouldnt make shrewd comments on players you dont watch. You come off as extremely ignorant
Crazy how someone who admits they don't watch the devils can claim Nico is a bum and all offense based on highlights alone lmao, Nico is so good because of his fantastic two way game which don't show in highlights. As the other guy said you clearly know nothing about the devils or hockey in general, but I don't know what I expected from a guy with Roblox in their name
Scott Stevens are you the Scott Stevens
@@HockeySoccerSniper Nico is not worth the #1 pick though. Devils fans overrate him.
Taylor Hall 42 more points than his next teammate that’s like a whole another player. Mackinnon has had an amazing year but only 12 more points than Rantanen.
TheRobloxMoose 1845 So we both agree he should be mvp cause he has the least help then.
Gotta go with Hall. To be 42 pts above his teams next leading scorer is insane. He literally is the only reason the New Jersey Devils are able to ceompete
As an Oilers fan, this hurts to see as you could only imagine how good Hall would be flanking McDavid's wing. But, I'm glad to see Hall having remarkable success. He's a true winner, which was exemplified by his back to back Mem cup MVP titles. Good on him, only wish him the best of luck moving forward. Thanks, Chiarelli.
Talon Thanks for being cool. Some oilers fans are complete morons
RUclips Sucks yup still cant believe tho....they traded him for larsson.....ouch that hurts a lot
Nicolas Lahky I remember being called an idiot for believing that was a bad trade all because the Oilers had a good season
RUclips Sucks yeah I mean I have nothing against larsson but he doesnt even have a points and ya know his skill and defensive play is nowhere near a 4th overall pick. Actually he was considered a 1st overall until hopkins didnt beat him. Imagine him being taken 1st.........
Nicolas Lahky Yea i know what you mean. Larsson is good to have but Hall is probably gonna score like 95-100 points and like 40 goals which is just insane with the teammates he has. To be fair the 2011 draft was pretty bad
Taylor Hall 'cause it looks good on Edmonton fans who applauded the deal a couple of years ago. Ouch!
deonal I knew it was a stupid deal then, and I can't imagine anyone felt differently. I was extremely pissed that my Rangers didn't offer McDonough, which would have been enough to get him. All I can say is that the whole NHL is lucky that Hall is not playing on a line with McDavid. They'd each have at least 130 points by now!
Edmonton brass were idiots in letting Chiarelli with this history of dealing Tyler Seguin from the Bruins and then letting him move Hall was insanity! McDonough is the better Dman too btw!
deonal I couldn't believe what they traded Hall for, and I couldn't believe the Rangers didn't step up and offer McDonough. The Rangers NEVER trade for young superstars, only older ones. This would have been a win win for both teams, even though McDonough still shouldn't have been enough to get Hall. But the Oilers would have been better off with McDonough than what they got. I love watching all these great young players there are today. The league hasn't been this talented since the Gretzky, Lemieux era.
Agreed. I'm an Edmontonian and I remember blasting Chia for this deal, while the vast majority of fans here ridiculed me for thinking the deal was a complete rip off. LIterallly everyone in those hf boards were so delusional they actually banned me because they didn't want to hear that Taylor Hall trade was the biggest oilers management mistake since the Gretzky trade.
The fans here are pathetically delusional and two faced, the same fans that were applauding the deal, are the now the same fans that are blasting Chia for the trade. What a joke
Gambl0r I just can't believe that anyone EVER thought it was a good deal for the Oilers. I knew they got robbed immediately, that's why I was so upset that the Rangers didn't try to get him. It was a ridiculously lopsided trade all along. But at least you guys have the best player in the world to build around!
Hall. Earlier I had MacKinnon but the way Hall has put the whole NJ team on his shoulders is just amazing. Also comparing the point gap between Hall and the second highest scoring player on the Devils makes everything even more clear. MacKinnon have Rantaanen which trails him with 11 points and 2 other players whom has more points than the second highest scoring Devils player. For me its a clear cut that its Hall for the Hart.
How can Mackinnon win the Hart when the second highest point scorer on his team has 82 points? Not saying Mackinnon isn’t valuable but he can’t be more valuable than Hall who’s 42 points ahead of the second highest point scorer on his team. There is nobody near the talent level of Hall on the Devils and he’s the true MVP.
Rantanen wouldn’t have nearly as many points without MacK
Dylan Conway You can argue the same thing for Hischier
Yep, Hall is better :D :D
Mack also has less games played, and the team with the weaker Goaltending and defense. He's also taken them from the worst team last season to a playoff contender. He also has more points than Hall in less games played and his point-per-game average is higher than McDavids. Mack also has 28 less give aways than Hall this season.
He makes rantanen better
The answer is Claude Giroux
That least they're both fulfilling their role as a first overall pick
Unpopular opinion but Giroux?
Hall doesn't have as much help as Mackinnon so Hall no question
MacKinnon has missed a bunch of games so get out. He'd be at 97-100 at this point in time. I'd give it to Mack. Took a BAFFLING last-place Colorado team to playoff contention that says something.
CanadianBorn Hall missed games too so that point is moot. MacKinnon has been kind of invisible lately when the games matter. Hall on the other has been fire in clutch games.
CanadianBorn Hall missed 5 games. I’d have to do some research but I don’t even think we won a game when he was out of the lineup
Agreed. Look at how many points Hall has over the #2 scorer.
CanadianBorn Mackinnon has missed 3 more games than Taylor Hall so get out of here with the BS.
Kucherov isn't getting shafted, he plays on a team with a potential Norris winner, a potential Vezina winner and some guy named Stamkos. He's the one guy that you could take away from his team and they are still comfortably in the playoffs.
At first I was saying mack but he has elite level talent around him. Landes, rantanen, barrie. Hall doesnt have that (yet) in the devils and hes still killing it. I gotta say hall.
Claude Giroux should get a mention . If Colorado doesn't make it it should be Hall or Giroux but I say Hall because he has carried the team the most out of the 3
Kopitar? Not even a mention?
Whoever makes the playoffs of the two
Hall will
What if they both do?
If they both make it I would say Hall
If every player in the league is eligible to win the trophy it goes to McDavid. With this made up playoff rule than its Hall I guess. The Hart trophy is tainted in my opinion.
- How exactly is the Hart Trophy 'tainted'??
Kopitar. Defense matters too.
I think Taylor Hall should be Hart Trophy WINNER!!!!!!! :D :D :D
i hope Hall wins it
How can these guys be professional commentators and rattle off 9 names without saying Kopitar? This should be a three horse race of Mackinnon / Hall / Kopitar.
Hall
The fact that Kopitar isn’t even mentioned is a joke.
Taylor Hall. Because he scored all those points carrying around that cabbage patch head of his.
Finally some real reporting here, been waiting all season for reports on Orr winning the Hart!
The other main criteria, besides making the playoffs, is not having another superstar on his team. That excludes Kucherov, Wheeler, Malkin, etc... The only 3 who honestly deserve it are MacKinnon, Hall and McDavid. If you only want playoff teams, then it's MacKinnon vs Hall. Good arguments can be made for both, and it should be really close. Their numbers are almost identical too. I see more of Hall, living in NY, but I've seen enough of MacKinnon to know he's just as deserving. So this Rangers fan picks...Hall or MacKinnon. Too close to call! 😀
Byronlee marley The hart trophy is tainted in my opinion. Cuts out half the league.
King85Kong Absolutely. The voters are very fickle and have ridiculous unofficial guidelines that they go by. It's not a player's fault if he carries his entire team, but still doesn't make the playoffs. The opposite is also true, that it's not his fault if he has other good players around him. It should still be pretty easy to tell which guy is the most valuable. Maybe they should change the voting. Have each team pick their own MVP, and then let the voters decide who's the best, regardless of what his team or teammates did or didn't accomplish.
Poor McDavid, the award is for the most valuable player to their TEAM. McDavid is by far the most most important player to his team as he has more than double the points of the third highest scorer on the Oilers (RNH). Leads the team in +-, plays on both the power play and penalty kill. And has 20+ more even strength points than any other player in the league. He has a 6 point lead in the scoring race on a team will NO good wingers and no help offensively. He’s doing all of this on a bottom 25 team.
But he won’t win because his goalie has the worst stats in the entire league plunging the team out of playoff contention (literally has a .899 3.78 GAA)
True but hart trophy is awarded to the player who has the most impact on his team's success. Hall and MacKinnnon are literally dragging their teams to the playoffs which is why they're in the conversation and McDavid isn't
hall4hart
Gotta hand it to MacKinnon at this point. He’s been on another level for most of the season
Gotta hand it to Hall at this point. He's been on another level for the entire season
Definitely Hall
Anze Kopitar
Hall for sure
Neither Kopitar should win it!
claude giroux should win
102 points
34 goals
68 assists
carried his team to playoffs
If Mario lemieux can win the hart trophy without making the playoffs so can McDavid
Pens missed by 1 point there's a difference.
Mario missed the playoffs by 1 point, had 70 goals and almost 20 more points than Gretzky...McDavid is having a great individual season on a bottom 5 team...
But McDavid is not blowing away the competition he's only a few points ahead of the next guy where is Mario blew everyone away
Both phenomenal players
Kopitar
Im an Avs fan and I think Mackinnon should only win if the Avs make the playoffs
I never thought I would see this day my two favorite players Hall & MacKinnon battling out for the Hart Trophy I still think Hall should win it because of the fact that he's 42 points ahead of anyone else on his team and there's basically no other star player besides himself
All I ask is that you guys look at the 2nd leading point scorers on each team. Hall has like a 40 point lead on Hischier. It's Insane
To me, a player who stepped up their game to a new level in order to help their team is a big factor. You could say that of most of the players in contention, but truly Hall and MacKinnon are above everyone else in that category. Well... Staal too maybe
Is placement in the playoffs matter? If devil's bump up too top wild card spot and avs get last spot does that count for hall?
Who? Kucherov or Malkin!
It's gotta go to Hall man. It doesn't mean hes the best player in the league, but come on, the next leading scorer is a rookie, hischier with 52. Hall has 93 points. That type of difference is huge. I can't even imagine what his % of his teams points are but it's the greatest difference in the NHL for sure. Probably in a while. To top it off it carried them into the playoffs. Hall this year is the definition of MVP performance. The absolute definition.
I think Elliot explained it best. Mack if playoffs for avs, Hall if Avs DONT make playoffs.
Hall.
Nathan MacKinnon for Hart!! What a year pushing my avs to the playoffs and doing decent against the preds!
MacKinnon has had a great season. But saying he should win the Hart is the same as saying Kucherov, Malkin or Giroux should win it. The guys that these players play with are so much better than who Hall plays with.
Those other guys are just a piece of their teams engine. Hall is the engine. The amount of big goals he scored this year outweighs anything that Nate and Giroux have done.
Well if non-playoff teams are considered contenders for hart should we not be missing guys like Gaudreau, Patty Kane, or can’t forget D men. Erik Karlsson. That being said I agree with Mackinnon/Hall as finalists.
I'm a Colorado fan, so I'm obviously biased and rooting for MacKinnon. I think he's a lock if Colorado makes the playoffs considering where they were last year. If he wasn't injured Mack could possibly be leading the scoring race. Having said that, Hall has been incredible, especially down the stretch, where Mack has been held pointless in 3 of the last 4. You really can't go wrong with either. Just imagine Hall on a line with McDavid.....beauty trade Edmonton!
Nathan, he’s improved so much compared to last season
Taylor Hall won it fair and square. MacKinnon is a beast though love him as a player. Maybe next year.
I don't agree with Elliotte that you have to make the playoffs for Hart consideration. But I still would vote for Taylor Hall or Connor Hellebuyck.
McJesus
BadBoiFilms no
colorado has 6 wins when Mackinnon hasn't scored, new jersey 6 & Edmonton 3
Still have yet to hear anyone explain how the best player in the league isn't the most valuable to his team. Would love to hear it. Hart trophy is tainted.
Think of it this way. Where would Edmonton be this season if McDavid was injured all year? Where do you think New Jersey would be if Hall was injured all year?
360flip19 That's an interesting way to look at it.
Hall: 42 point difference between 2nd in points and 49 point difference between 3rd in points.
MCDavid: 35 point difference with 2nd in points and 58 point difference between 3rd in points.
Edmonton's depth is none existent. Well both teams lack depth.
NJD top 5 in points: 93, 51, 44, 44, 35
Edmonton top 5 in points: 103, 68, 45, 34, 33
If you switch the two players McDavid goes to the playoffs and Hall is going golfing.
Really does come down to the luck of the team you're on.
Why I'm not a big fan of this award. To many artificial rules required to win it.
Damn, Elliot Friedman spitting truth bombs out there.
McDavid for Hart. Playoffs or not, most valuable player is the one that I want on my team and out of all players in the NHL he's the one that stands out over all the rest
William Karlsson?
ANZE KOPITAR
He and Giroux are definitely not getting enough consideration. I'd still give it to Hall but those two plus MacKinnon are serious contenders to be finalists.
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How can it be anyone else but Hall?
Everyone has someone great to play with. Mack has Mikko who has 80 points along with Landeskog and Barrie who all have more points than Hischier. Hall is playing with a lot less talent surrounding him than everyone else. Every other Hart candidate has a solid 60+ point player to play with except Kopitar.
I think if u dont choose William Karlsson on the golden knights, you're ignorant. Hes by far most valuable to his team.
MacKinnon has more points than hall with fewer games played, leads the league in game winning goals, and was the reason Colorado pulled up their socks and made the playoffs. New jersey was top in their division before Taylor hall took off this year... So I mean...
McDavid should win. Best player in the NHL. If playoff determines if you can win it or not, then its a meaningless trophy. Best player in the league is obviously the most important to his team. If it is a requirement than it should be in writing. Only players on playoff teams are eligible to win the trophy. Make it black and white.
No Adam larrsson? Seems to me he should be in that conversation since he has equal value to Hall
Mack
If you are the real Nail Yakupov, Why would you not want Hall? You did play with him too.
I know but if it was Hall and someone else would he want Hall or that other person?
Why no mention of Kopitar? No Carter for the entire season. Leads the NHL in PK ice time. Guy is a work horse. All that and he has 91 points. He's better than those two clowns who don't play both ends of the ice.
Kopitar > MacKinnon > Hall
Keep in mind that MacKinnon played two weeks less... and still finished higher in points.
Top 3 in points, assists, and FO%....only one guy..CLAUDE GIROUX. He is the real MVP.
To me Mackinnon wins based off of points per game and team improvement. Hall is a great player no doubt but Mackinnon is responsible for pulling Colorado out of the basement.
Taylor hall!!!'
Claude Giroux, who Canadian media is actively trying to ignore.
Zach Montminy Giroux is not alone on Philly, he has Voracek and others. Hall and MacKinnon are doing it by themselves.
Giroux Also leads the league in second assists . Has more second assists than firsts.
El Fuego 52 The only 3 real MVPs to their teams are McDavid, MacKinnon and Hall. Everyone else has help. Otherwise there would be 10 or more viable candidates who've had great seasons.
Hischier is actually INSANELY good, yeah he's not an elite player yet, but he'll probably be there soon. I'm a devs fan and I think Mac should win it
Daniel Olivette They both deserve it. Maybe they'll be co-MVPs. And you're right, he is insanely good, and will only get better with age. The Devils are set for years. Now maybe the Rangers can get a Laine to skate with Zibanejad. He's really our only possible star right now if he stays healthy for a full season. Until then, I'm still rooting for the Devs and Jets to play in the Finals. That would be an awesome matchup.
Hall. Plays in the harder conference.
McDavid
Rusty Shackleford stfu you're dumb
Jack Wall ironically the only people that use the word dumb are the sheep. dipsh1t
Bloose ye why would I put in effort to some idiot in the comment section of RUclips who Cleary knows nothing about hockey
Bloose ye okay
Still haven't heard anyone give a good explanation on how the best player in the league isn't the most valuable to his team. Would love to hear it.
Let's go MacKinnon. Two games to go to silence the dissenters.
connor mcdavid I don't even know why it's a debate
Id give it to Nate! Man is a leader
Hallsy
The Hart should easily go to the Edmonton Oilers’ Taylor Hall.... wait that’s not right
I still think this "making the playoffs to win it" is the biggest load of bull dung. It isn't a playoff award. Plus, no one player individually "drags their team to the playoffs" like alot of so called experts say. If Mackinnon misses the playoffs by 2 points, all of a sudden he is out of contention?! Come one guys....that is not logical at all.
Exactly, this isn't basketball. One player can't carry a team over 82 games. McDavid is the best player in the NHL and it isn't all that close.
Rusty Shackleford Not close at all. The two bog dogs the past decade have been Ovi and Sid; Connor blew away both their regular season 5v5 points this year. If the Oilers had even a halfway decent powerplay, he would have 120+ points right now and there would noy even be a discussion about this. Playoffs or not.
Still have yet to hear anyone explain how the best player in the league isn't the most valuable to his team. Would love to hear it. The Hart trophy is tainted in my opinion.
Well I take it as for a player to be valuable to his team, he must add value, and without making the playoffs a team has little value.
Ice So the best player in the entire league doesn't add value to his team? That doesn't make sense. Hockey is a team sport, no one player can make the playoffs by themselves. To suggest otherwise is delusional. Even the best players only play 20-30 minutes a game. So they are not involved with the play for half the game. Must count on others to do their job.
Between these two...Hall easily...but McDavid should win imo.
MacKinnon
Hall
McDavid
Kucherov
Kopitar
Ovechkin
What about Claude Giroux? dudes a monster
Didn't even mention Malkin
Hall deserves this
Mackinnon easy. He'd win the art ross if he played 82 games.
Nathan. But if Avs don’t get in the playoffs then the other dude.
Nathan Mackinnon definitely
Kopitar :3
Taylor Hall wins it
Marchand should win
Nate because he has speed
Hall for the heart
Neither, it should be Mcdavid
Jon Kotowich McDavid is the best player in the world, period. Too bad he doesn't get any help. Get him a star winger and he'd have 150 pts. easy. He may be as close to Gretzky and Lemieux as we'll get for a long, long time.
Should be. But won't be.
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Taylor Hall!
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Both
Hall any day boys