I think calling the section "Internal gasket design" not accurate. It's not a gasket, just a silicone pcb foam. The KB is not gasket mounted so might be misleading to name it that way as it suggests it's gasket mounted when it is a tray mount.
I think I might be crazy because I legitimately can't feel a difference in game between the hall effect switches on my Wooting and just a normal mechanical keyboard with something like Cherry Speed Silver switches. The only time I feel a difference is when I am messing around with it and intentionally lightly pressing on the keys, in game it's just not natural for me to not bottom the switches out. The ultra low actuation of the hall effect switches are going to cause it to actuate sooner than a normal switch, but I find it imperceptible. Rapid trigger is cool too, but I have to focus on the keyboard to get the most out of it because I normally fully release the key before pressing again and doing so throws my game off. I never see anyone else talk about this, so I must be a very small minority.
I believe using the RT does require some practice as well. If you spend enough time trying to use RT to its fullest, it will eventually become muscle memory and you will probably find your normal keyboard sluggish. Latency wise, it really doesnt matter that much unless you can literally feel lag.
It should feel extremely different with low actuation + rapid trigger - if you're not noticing it, you're not playing at a level that your gear matters at all anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it unless you're trying to get better
I own too many HE boards and the Boog75 has blown away every other one I've used. Get your hands on one. You won't use the others again. Second best has been the Polar65
@@Rasyad95 We're talking fractions of milliseconds. Super hard to notice the difference but If I had to say, the Wooting and shockingly the Razer Huntsman V3 Mini feel the most responsive. All 6 Keyboards I own are 1000HZ. I have a 60He+, 80He and Akko Year of the dragon ordered. The Akko and 80HE are 8000HZ so we'll see if that's noticeable. And what everyone already knows, the Wooting software is the best. I know Razer Synapse sucks but the functions to control the Huntsman inside synapse are actually very good.
@@hone-pq7pp I don't. I said I had a 60,80 and year of the dragon on order. Got the 60 and akko. Kept the Wooting, sold the Akko and I'm waiting for the 80 like everyone else. August I think
I have tried this and it is really good in my experience, was an impulse buy so I am selling it since I have a wooting and like 4 other Keebs. Hit me up if u are EU based.
Liam, can you explain a bit further what you mean about the board not having rapid trigger? Are you referring to the higher latency at sub-0.4mm settings? I thought the ability to reduce the actuation is what is meant by rapid trigger. Also, does this board have dual actuation? I have the Steelseries Apex Pro Mini Wireless, but was considering the Wooting, as I prefer aluminum cases. But getting board components with an alum case is much more expensive.
This board does have rapid trigger but it does not have continuous rapid trigger. With continuous rapid trigger you can set the auction to 1mm but then set the press and release at .1mm. So every input after you hit the initial 1mm will be all in .1mm there after. with this keyboard if you set the press at 1mm and the release at.1.. you will have to press the key an additional 1mm after each release to activate it
@@AimAdapt Thanks for the explanation. It seems my Steelseries also either doesn't have continuous rapid trigger, at least with dual actuation, unles I'm just doing something wrong in the settings. 😁 Guess I'll wait to see if Endgame Gear provides continuous RT in a firmware update before pulling the (rapid) trigger on this board. 😄
@@AimAdaptLiam, your review just gave me the solution to fix a longtime problem I've been having with dual actuation on my Steelseries Apex Pro Mini Wireless. So thanks for that also! 🍻
@@Noneya5555 SteelSeries Apex Pro has continuous rapid trigger. I don't think any keyboard has continuous rapid trigger if you use multiple actuation points
@@n1ghtmoods rather recommend the L version, its newer and fixes some of the problems of the older G version, while it sounds worse, it can be fixed by lubing the switches, I have it right now and the difference between unlubed and lubed is night and day. If anyone is buying the L version, I recommend removing the foam underneath the spacebar stabilizer, it causes so much mushiness and it wont affect anything if you removed it
@@moc5661 it's actually pretty cheap for what it is. 75% and aluminium, and the PC version is cheaper. It's more of a balance between a proper premium custom mechanical keyboard and a gaming keyboard.
"I'm using the ROG Ace Harpe, but I don't feel satisfied. Should I try the G Pro X? I previously used the Lamzu Thorn and liked it a lot. Any suggestions for another mouse? Currently considering between the Atlantis OG and Maya, leaning towards Lamzu based on my preferences."
The Maya is a very different shape than the Atlantis OG. First decision needs to be do you want an Ergo or Symmetrical? Personally I have huge hands and like the Maya way way more. Even though the OG is bigger, I didn't like the shape at all and sold it. The Gpro is a pretty safe shape. Phenomenal mouse. Bigger hands, I'd say the Gpro is a safer bet. I'm sure you could care less about what I say lol but I do own over 20 mice and have sold like 15 more in the last 2 months. I've pretty much owned every mouse besides these cheap $50 Chinese mice hitting the market lately. I have a bad issue buying mice and pads. What's your favorite mouse you've used so far?
@@thinkforyourself5672 My favorite mouse is the Lamzu Thorn x Fnatic. It feels really comfortable for me to grip firmly with my index and middle fingers, barely needing my ring and pinky fingers. However, I've only tried three mice so far, all priced under $100. The first one was the Atlantis Mini 4K, but it was too small for my liking as I prefer mice for palm grip and claw grip with more relex. The second one was the ROG Ace Harpe Aim Lab, which I didn't like at all due to its narrowness and very short length, causing discomfort in my hand, so I sold it. Now, I'm looking for a mouse to pair with the Thorn, which has some issues and is being claimed under warranty. After hearing what you said, I'm starting to become interested in the Maya mouse, despite initially planning to wait for an upgraded version in a larger size. However, I might try the Viper Mini first to see if I like this style. As for the mousepad, I only have the Micemod 1st Anniversary SE. I'm also planning to buy the Infinity Mice Shogun as my next mousepad.
Between $150 mice, $50 pads, $300 headphones and new OLED monitors, I wish there was $$ laying around for a badass KB; PC peripherals are hurting my wallet these days
@@Alby911 right as long as it has decent mids and lows it should be fine. Don't ever buy premium gaming audio when you can get baseline audio grade for a better price.
I don't have ATK68, so can't speak with 100% certainty, but I remember someone mentioning that ATK68 is using same board as DrunkDeer, so this keyboard is actually not clone of ATK68 but rather Polar65 clone. And that in my book is a hard pass, Polar65 is one of the worst HE keyboards I've tried (and I've tried Akko MOD-007B HE, DrunkDeer A75, Wooting, Boog75, Redragon M61, Polar65 and this Endgame Gear one - plus I'm waiting for Keychron HE keyboard). While the keyboard itself is fine, it does have this weird half-rapid trigger implementation - rapid trigger works for quick deactuation but it does not work for reactivation. For example if I have initial actuation point set to 2mm and rapid trigger on 0.1mm, I can press the key to 2mm, activate it, then lift 0.1mm, it deactivates and then to reactivate I have to press again by 2mm, pushing activation point almost to the bottom - that's really frustrating if you lifted by mistake. That's something I feel in game and it can be quite frustrating. And unfortunately Endgame Gear KB65HE is exactly the same, so I wouldn't recommend it at all, I'd rather get DrunkDeer or new Lamzu keyboard or even better, pay up for Wooting and be at piece that you have the best there (currently) is when it comes to gaming performance.
@@Rasyad95 I can't speak in plain numbers, I don't have the hardware to test actual response times and input delay/lag. That being said, in terms of how it feels I'd place it at the top of what I've tried so far. If I had to choose just one keyboard for gaming performance, I'd go with Wooting. The close seconds would be Boog75 and Akko MOD-007B HE, these are premium feeling keyboards with great performance and all necessary customization. As for performance on budget, I'd go with DrunkDeer and its clones (DrunkDeer A75/G65, VGN ATK68, Lamzu Atlantis Pro). If I was on extremely small budget, even some chinese HE keyboards seem to potentially do the trick, like Redragon M61 or Everglide AE68 (I haven't used those directly in-game but so far I was able to get them setup to my liking and my preliminary testing showed a good promise for their price). And then there is Polar65 and its clones (like KB65HE) - I wouldn't buy those over any of previously mentioned ones (not even chinese ones), for some reason they lack continuous trigger functionality which for me is an important part of what makes HE keyboards worth. All in all - if you are after ultimate performance with bleeding edge functionality and don't mind trading off typing feel and premium build, go with Wooting. However, if you want extremely well built keyboards with great HE performance, I can recommend either Akko MOD-007B HE or Boog75.
I think calling the section "Internal gasket design" not accurate. It's not a gasket, just a silicone pcb foam. The KB is not gasket mounted so might be misleading to name it that way as it suggests it's gasket mounted when it is a tray mount.
Sorry for the error. I dont script my videos.
@@AimAdapt no worries at all, I am just a keyboard addict lol
@@sharkosaurfps😮
im surprised you didnt add the drunkdeer to your test, would love to see you do the same solenoid test with the drunkdeer
The DD is a nice option but the build quality on the EGG and the Polar65 is much better in the same price point
I think I might be crazy because I legitimately can't feel a difference in game between the hall effect switches on my Wooting and just a normal mechanical keyboard with something like Cherry Speed Silver switches. The only time I feel a difference is when I am messing around with it and intentionally lightly pressing on the keys, in game it's just not natural for me to not bottom the switches out. The ultra low actuation of the hall effect switches are going to cause it to actuate sooner than a normal switch, but I find it imperceptible. Rapid trigger is cool too, but I have to focus on the keyboard to get the most out of it because I normally fully release the key before pressing again and doing so throws my game off. I never see anyone else talk about this, so I must be a very small minority.
I believe using the RT does require some practice as well. If you spend enough time trying to use RT to its fullest, it will eventually become muscle memory and you will probably find your normal keyboard sluggish. Latency wise, it really doesnt matter that much unless you can literally feel lag.
It should feel extremely different with low actuation + rapid trigger - if you're not noticing it, you're not playing at a level that your gear matters at all anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it unless you're trying to get better
I own too many HE boards and the Boog75 has blown away every other one I've used. Get your hands on one. You won't use the others again. Second best has been the Polar65
Do you feel any latency differences or everything is blown out of proportion too much?
@@Rasyad95 We're talking fractions of milliseconds. Super hard to notice the difference but If I had to say, the Wooting and shockingly the Razer Huntsman V3 Mini feel the most responsive. All 6 Keyboards I own are 1000HZ. I have a 60He+, 80He and Akko Year of the dragon ordered. The Akko and 80HE are 8000HZ so we'll see if that's noticeable. And what everyone already knows, the Wooting software is the best. I know Razer Synapse sucks but the functions to control the Huntsman inside synapse are actually very good.
@@thinkforyourself5672 great, thanks! Enjoy your thing my man
@@thinkforyourself5672how do you have a wooting 80he?
@@hone-pq7pp I don't. I said I had a 60,80 and year of the dragon on order. Got the 60 and akko. Kept the Wooting, sold the Akko and I'm waiting for the 80 like everyone else. August I think
Its close between the lamzu keyboard and this one, its a tough choice to make
I have tried this and it is really good in my experience, was an impulse buy so I am selling it since I have a wooting and like 4 other Keebs. Hit me up if u are EU based.
still selling?@@balazsdinh1910
@@balazsdinh1910is it worth to het the wooting over this in your opinion?
Liam, can you explain a bit further what you mean about the board not having rapid trigger? Are you referring to the higher latency at sub-0.4mm settings? I thought the ability to reduce the actuation is what is meant by rapid trigger.
Also, does this board have dual actuation? I have the Steelseries Apex Pro Mini Wireless, but was considering the Wooting, as I prefer aluminum cases. But getting board components with an alum case is much more expensive.
This board does have rapid trigger but it does not have continuous rapid trigger. With continuous rapid trigger you can set the auction to 1mm but then set the press and release at .1mm. So every input after you hit the initial 1mm will be all in .1mm there after. with this keyboard if you set the press at 1mm and the release at.1.. you will have to press the key an additional 1mm after each release to activate it
DNS allows you to have 2 inputs on a single switch and yes this keyboard has it
@@AimAdapt Thanks for the explanation. It seems my Steelseries also either doesn't have continuous rapid trigger, at least with dual actuation, unles I'm just doing something wrong in the settings. 😁
Guess I'll wait to see if Endgame Gear provides continuous RT in a firmware update before pulling the (rapid) trigger on this board. 😄
@@AimAdaptLiam, your review just gave me the solution to fix a longtime problem I've been having with dual actuation on my Steelseries Apex Pro Mini Wireless. So thanks for that also! 🍻
@@Noneya5555 SteelSeries Apex Pro has continuous rapid trigger. I don't think any keyboard has continuous rapid trigger if you use multiple actuation points
Will you have the opportunity to review the Zowie u2 ?
id like to hear your take on it.
Yes I have been using it. Really great mouse. Review in about a week or two
@@AimAdapt excellent. Im interested in your opinion in regards to being a lamzu fan and how it compares to those shapes.
Which is better? this or the lamzu atlantis pro keyboard? because its on the same price range i think
The stabilizers sound so bad
can you review the VXE ATK68 in both the G version and the L version, idk what to choose between both versions
@@n1ghtmoods rather recommend the L version, its newer and fixes some of the problems of the older G version, while it sounds worse, it can be fixed by lubing the switches, I have it right now and the difference between unlubed and lubed is night and day.
If anyone is buying the L version, I recommend removing the foam underneath the spacebar stabilizer, it causes so much mushiness and it wont affect anything if you removed it
such a cool 240p background dude!
Oh is that new software out on their site?
For now it's only on our Discord. We wanna fix some typos and graphical errors first before we put it on the website
Ah fair, thanks for the reply
Is the Keyboard gonna come in a white version?
lol I see why you avoided typing out on that spacebar as much as possible during the sound test..
Any chance for a review on the Akko Mod007b HE (either aluminum or PC version)?
Too expensive :O
@@moc5661 it's actually pretty cheap for what it is. 75% and aluminium, and the PC version is cheaper. It's more of a balance between a proper premium custom mechanical keyboard and a gaming keyboard.
Keycaps feel "spot on" what does that mean? Imo they're the weak point of this board but I switched them immediately so it's fine.
"I'm using the ROG Ace Harpe, but I don't feel satisfied. Should I try the G Pro X? I previously used the Lamzu Thorn and liked it a lot. Any suggestions for another mouse? Currently considering between the Atlantis OG and Maya, leaning towards Lamzu based on my preferences."
The Maya is a very different shape than the Atlantis OG. First decision needs to be do you want an Ergo or Symmetrical? Personally I have huge hands and like the Maya way way more. Even though the OG is bigger, I didn't like the shape at all and sold it. The Gpro is a pretty safe shape. Phenomenal mouse. Bigger hands, I'd say the Gpro is a safer bet. I'm sure you could care less about what I say lol but I do own over 20 mice and have sold like 15 more in the last 2 months. I've pretty much owned every mouse besides these cheap $50 Chinese mice hitting the market lately. I have a bad issue buying mice and pads. What's your favorite mouse you've used so far?
@@thinkforyourself5672 My favorite mouse is the Lamzu Thorn x Fnatic. It feels really comfortable for me to grip firmly with my index and middle fingers, barely needing my ring and pinky fingers. However, I've only tried three mice so far, all priced under $100. The first one was the Atlantis Mini 4K, but it was too small for my liking as I prefer mice for palm grip and claw grip with more relex. The second one was the ROG Ace Harpe Aim Lab, which I didn't like at all due to its narrowness and very short length, causing discomfort in my hand, so I sold it. Now, I'm looking for a mouse to pair with the Thorn, which has some issues and is being claimed under warranty. After hearing what you said, I'm starting to become interested in the Maya mouse, despite initially planning to wait for an upgraded version in a larger size. However, I might try the Viper Mini first to see if I like this style. As for the mousepad, I only have the Micemod 1st Anniversary SE. I'm also planning to buy the Infinity Mice Shogun as my next mousepad.
@@thinkforyourself5672 Oh, and my hand size is 17×9.
Rapidtrigger is good but this keyboard would be much better if it had 75% ISO layout. mediocre.... as that Fn key row is just missing
Between $150 mice, $50 pads, $300 headphones and new OLED monitors, I wish there was $$ laying around for a badass KB; PC peripherals are hurting my wallet these days
Exactly. Also the fact that no gaming peripherals, even expensive ones, ever have all the features that I really want.
VXE ATK68 is fairly cheap readily available
$300 headphones? Just get cheap iem's if a fast keyboard is a higher priority
@@Alby911 right as long as it has decent mids and lows it should be fine. Don't ever buy premium gaming audio when you can get baseline audio grade for a better price.
And no good games lol
Where's the actuation point settings in the software? I didnt see it
Lmfao this keyboard is just a marked up VXE ATK68. Save your money and get the same thing for less.
I don't have ATK68, so can't speak with 100% certainty, but I remember someone mentioning that ATK68 is using same board as DrunkDeer, so this keyboard is actually not clone of ATK68 but rather Polar65 clone. And that in my book is a hard pass, Polar65 is one of the worst HE keyboards I've tried (and I've tried Akko MOD-007B HE, DrunkDeer A75, Wooting, Boog75, Redragon M61, Polar65 and this Endgame Gear one - plus I'm waiting for Keychron HE keyboard). While the keyboard itself is fine, it does have this weird half-rapid trigger implementation - rapid trigger works for quick deactuation but it does not work for reactivation. For example if I have initial actuation point set to 2mm and rapid trigger on 0.1mm, I can press the key to 2mm, activate it, then lift 0.1mm, it deactivates and then to reactivate I have to press again by 2mm, pushing activation point almost to the bottom - that's really frustrating if you lifted by mistake. That's something I feel in game and it can be quite frustrating. And unfortunately Endgame Gear KB65HE is exactly the same, so I wouldn't recommend it at all, I'd rather get DrunkDeer or new Lamzu keyboard or even better, pay up for Wooting and be at piece that you have the best there (currently) is when it comes to gaming performance.
@@jan.tovarnakhow's boog75 compared to the rest in terms of performance?
@@Rasyad95 I can't speak in plain numbers, I don't have the hardware to test actual response times and input delay/lag. That being said, in terms of how it feels I'd place it at the top of what I've tried so far. If I had to choose just one keyboard for gaming performance, I'd go with Wooting. The close seconds would be Boog75 and Akko MOD-007B HE, these are premium feeling keyboards with great performance and all necessary customization. As for performance on budget, I'd go with DrunkDeer and its clones (DrunkDeer A75/G65, VGN ATK68, Lamzu Atlantis Pro). If I was on extremely small budget, even some chinese HE keyboards seem to potentially do the trick, like Redragon M61 or Everglide AE68 (I haven't used those directly in-game but so far I was able to get them setup to my liking and my preliminary testing showed a good promise for their price). And then there is Polar65 and its clones (like KB65HE) - I wouldn't buy those over any of previously mentioned ones (not even chinese ones), for some reason they lack continuous trigger functionality which for me is an important part of what makes HE keyboards worth.
All in all - if you are after ultimate performance with bleeding edge functionality and don't mind trading off typing feel and premium build, go with Wooting. However, if you want extremely well built keyboards with great HE performance, I can recommend either Akko MOD-007B HE or Boog75.
no continuous rapid trigger makes it really not worth using still lol.
It is actually most people in wooting server I've seen don't even have that option on