For a moment I wondered what the big issue lesbians had with trans people was about. Then a good friend's girlfriend identified as non-binary. I am 20 years older than this person and have been out for decades. Instead of explaining who they were they tried to give us a "reading assignment" with a bunch of gender theory books. Keep in mind I already had 7 friends who are trans, some who are very out, some not so much. Never had any such demand with any of them. Just normal conversations about ourselves. The first big issue was that every single time I referred to my husband the response always consisted of a weird insistence and her restating with the phrase "your partner". It sounded like you'd sound when you're scolding a very young child for cussing. I was driving her around town because she was job hunting that day and was trying to be helpful. I got home and asked my husband if I was being scolded by this kid. He found out later that in fact I was, but they were willing to let this slide because he gave a good reason for it. Apparently the logic of this had to do with the idea that if this was done it would prevent the deaths of young effeminate gay boys living in the south. I've heard this parroted many times since then and to me it sounds like nothing more than "virtue signaling". What's worse is that I was asked if I wanted to "stick out like a sore thumb" and "did I know how visible that made us". The last time I felt this insulted was as a much younger man and it was coming from a religious fundamentalist. I also have several straight friends with lesbian daughters and all of them had originally come out as trans. You can't ask people why this is happening because you'll be accused of lying or being transphobic. It's mind boggling because the people pushing these ideas are normally half our age and imagine us growing up in some sort of happy, privileged world. This, of course, was NOT the case. These people are NOT my community. They do not accept me for who I am. Most straight people these days are much easier to deal with and far more accepting than these new gender police. I avoid them like the plague.
One of my best friends is a lesbian. A dyed in the wool, plaid shirt when she was 12, drill-totin, spikey haired, pierced and tattoed, carpenter chick. (Not to cede to stereotypes but in this case they are all true, and she owns them). Also true to lesbian form, she is very 'emotional' and prone to anger. She says to this day the closest she's ever got to punching someone straight in the face was when a 'trans'woman ('' because there is no such thing imo) told her she wasn't a lesbian, she was a 'trans'man in the closet. These people talk about 'erasing' others... well.... THEY'RE the ones erasing homosexuals.
They are thouroughly destroying academia from within, it seems. Universities are now ruled by medieval rules. Accusations are enough, no proof of guilt needed. And proof of what? Of not being woke. Out you go. Not my own experiences, but from what I´ve heard.
I want to know what is this logic about saving the lives of young effeminate gay guys in the south? Could someone please explain to me what is the connection? I genuinely want to know. I'm the same as commenters above, born in the 80s, saw the worst of the AIDS epidemic, the struggle gay people went through just to be treated like human beings not criminals whose lives dont count.....are the kids of today seriously trying to say that the past generations had it easy? I also remember many great strong independent lesbian role models who are just fantastic people, very straight up and down, honest, true to themselves and others.... the fact that some people can't accept these strong female role models is so bizarre to me. Why on earth wouldn't you celebrate these great strong women as exemplifying the fantastic diversity of people? Why does being strong and independent mean that a woman must be a man in disguise? It's ridiculous.
@@frakismaximus3052in what way is feminism not relevant in the west? There are differences but it’s definitely not irrelevant. The trans gender ideology has proven that.
Hint: intersectionality in itself is a hijacking movement. That's how it functions. It de-centers the primary and universal purpose and goals of a movement and redirects attention onto separate issues. That's why it's turned out this way.
I have had long term relationships with both women and men. I’m not Queer, I’m not bisexual, I’m just a woman that has had relationships with other people. I find using my private life to gain a badge of honour in my working life distasteful. It’s called a private life for a reason. It has nothing to do with anything and I’d rather be judged for being competent and diligent.
I agree im just a woman that falls im love with woman big deal. I dont wave flags im npt a queer thats horrendous to me. I think the whole alphabet is a mess. Its a alphabet clown car.
You are bisexual by definition, though. Language matters. Just like you can’t identify into a label that doesn’t belong to you, you also can’t identify out of a label that does.
@@HarriedPedestrian I hear your point. I’m curious to know what you believe the harm with a person just saying that they’ve dated both sexes is? It could be that they don’t feel fully comfortable with the bisexual label because they are unsure of their sexuality and/or only date one of the sexes now. Or, perhaps, that a person simply doesn’t want to be identified by a specific set of criteria and stereotypes that constituted by the bisexual label. What do you reckon?
@@DrAlexisM I see no harm at all in people saying they've dated both sexes. If they are unsure of their sexuality, it is understandable that they wouldn't want to apply any label to themselves initially. But if a person knows for sure that they are capable of being attracted to members of both sexes and yet rejects the label of bisexual, one has to wonder why. The same way one has to wonder why an increasing number of girls want to identify out of their sex class. I believe the answer is internalized biphobia and internalized misogyny, respectively. They reject the stereotypes associated with the words, even though the strict definition of those words does describe them. Bisexual people are not all promiscuous and untrustworthy people, and girls are not all flighty and shallow. Rejecting the word bisexual when they are bisexual suggests that they believe the stereotypes, and since they aren't any of those awful things, the word couldn't possibly apply to them. It's grounded in prejudicial thinking.
@@HarriedPedestrian I wholeheartedly concur; well put! Despite this, I still don’t believe I’ve the right to judge those who are, for any reason (including those we’ve described above), too afraid to label themselves. I do feel pretty sorry for many of them, though. 🩵
Small correction: this ideology was promulgated primarily from America, through queer theory in academia. The UK, like the rest of the West, had that American culture spread via unfettered social media and academic discourse. We just had the existing feminist infrastructure and organisation in place in the UK to push back quicker and harder. Bindel, as always, is brilliant.
I’m a multiple marriages 60 year old man who most would consider right wing, if not far right, politically. I came back to England in 2000 after 17 years in California. I have never ever heard Julie Bindel say anything I have disagreed with. Or could disagree with. Women only spaces exist because predatory males exist. Bravo.
Super da ima još ljudi u Hr koji prate Bindel (vjerojatno i Joyce, Stock i Murraya) i Quillete. Ugodno iznenađenje!
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Da, sve njih (pretpostavljam da pricamo o Douglasu Murrayju). Premda nisam niti blizu centru, a kamoli desnici (a ove ljude se, neshvatljivo opisuje kao desnicu), feminizam kakvog oni zagovaraju je feminizam koji mi je blizak i kojem sam ja blizak
Maybe I'm just being over sensitive, but I do rather resent the continual promotion of the idea that men are a threat to women. Lesbian, misandrist bigots have been pushing this trope for far too long without getting the pushback they deserve. I'm happy to see the tide turning. @@zeldagoblin
I like Julie, she is an important voice in these ridiculous times wthin which we find ourselves. I just wish she hadn't been so spiteful and personal in her attack on Kellie Jay Keen. They're different women, both performing essential roles in this fight against madness, and to call another woman a "thick fuck", I feel betrays a deeply unpleasant character.
@@mariasinfiltros1478 I fully accept that. I'm definitely not someone who holds people up for everything they've ever said, and I wish she would do a bit of self reflection and maybe retract or explain it. But, as far as I know, she's stood by the comment. I understand that Kellie Jay has a very assertive manner, and that they operate very differently, but they're on the same side. I see so much in fighting between these advocacy groups and people fighting these ideologies, and I'm convinced they get further if they backed each other. I'm disappointed. Kellie has said she's open to dialogue and that she feels the two would agree on a whole lot, but I really think there's some elitism and even classism on JB's part. I like them both, I'd actually love to see them have a conversation. But tearing other women down like that I would suggest is against feminism.
great if they got together but for JB the cause of women's rights is her focus not only the single issue of fighting the gender identity ideology but sure better to stick together @@zeldagoblin
“Gender identity” can’t be defined without resorting to sexist stereotypes. Just because a man likes to wear dresses, and put on makeup, that doesn’t mean he dislikes being a man. Or hates his own body.
Thank you ...... what a wonderful interview ........ and my love to Claudia, what a frightful story, how indomitable does someone have to be to survive that ?
The best interview I've ever seen regarding this nonsense is Julie bindel and Douglas Murray taking this nonsense apart. It should be compulsory viewing in schools and universities
Oh I'm so envious! I wish I was friends with you Bindel AND Rowling. I'm not a lesbian but I still feel a terrible lack of lesbians in my life because lesbians so iften are the pinacle of being human. AND I need more real feminists in my life.
You guys need to get Christina Buttons on for a chat. She wrote a great substack on the intersection of people with autism & identification with trans identities. There's something to be discussed when trans women insist on imposing themselves into conversations about women's rights. As Christina notes - people with autism have very black/white thinking and a strong sense of justice & how the world should operate. WIth basic operating model of men & women - if trans women are actually women, the conversation is now a black & white social justice conversation.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 she's not grounded in reality she's grounded in the misandry of Wokism 1.0 (Rabid Feminism) and can't stand the Wokism 2.0 (Intersectional Feminism)
Not only a dose of trans bigotry, but a dose of ableism and anti autistic rhetoric as well. I am an autistic woman, assigned female at birth. I have lived a full life being autistic. I have a son. I was a scholar. Why are you transphobic people so hateful of those of us that have sensory and communication disorders? Not all autistic people think in black and white. It is really gross and unacceptable
@@karenholmes6565 good point. Question, seeing as the majority of research points to ASD being genetically propagated, what do you think the consequences would be should large numbers of People with Autism go on puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and have surgeries to change the appearance and functionality of thier genitals? We already know these procedures can, and do lead to infertility. Isn't that a form of eugenics?
Julie can't handle Kelly because Kelly talks sense without the feminist ideolody. She's the 'everyman's TERF', as it were, and appeals to men as much as women.
JULIE needs to re-consider her tineline for homosexual 'activism'. I was a student activist back in the early 1970s. CHE was already in existence; and the Gay Christian Movement was founded in 1976: for - make no mistake - the 'scriptural literalists' in the Protestant and Anglican churches lay behind the societal attitudes at that time. Today, they are mainly irrelevant: and ignored by politicians seeking to make 'public policy' regarding adult, consensual, sex. Then came the 1980s (the Decade of AIDS). In 1986, one of a homosexual couple died from a heart-attack, in my car, whilst I was driving him to see his partner of twenty years, who was dying from AIDS in St Stephen's Hospital, London. Those two dear men - the finest friends a young homosexual man could have - died within thirty hours of one another. Last October I shared forty years of life with my male partner: and what we both object-to is the same 'labelling' to which JULIE objects; and which is carried out by Communists like OWEN JONES, whereby we are designated part of an 'LGBTQ+ community'. Such a Far Left. identity political, 'community' may exist in London (I'll bet those lesbian, homosexual, bisexual and transgender clubs are something to behold!) but they are entirely unnecessary in rural Somerset. Or they were: because there is now a new, imported, pseudo-religion of the horizon, which shares the same ideas as those Christian 'scriptural literalists' I cited earlier, when it comes to the 'sinfulness' of sex which is not preceded by a 'wedding'. Of course the churchgoing 'scriptural-literalists' would not get away with prescribing an unpleasant DEATH as the 'cure' for homosexuality: but they don't need-to. His Globalist Majesty's Government has imported sufficient people from that vile pseudo-religion, to do the job for them!
I know a poor black woman who has been sexually assaulted twice who upholds this ideology and when I try to explain why it's problematic, she just sort of shrugs!
This is exactly what really bothers me. I totally agree with the fact that there are just 2 sexes. I agree 100% with the Cass report and was shocked that media just ignored it. This gender affirming care which is shamefully practiced in my home of Canada, is permanently harming children. Yet...as a firm atheist, Im shocked that many of my supposedly critical thinking atheist icons, buy this shit, and won't even listen to reason. Im instantly called a transphobe, which is ridiculous. I just want safe spaces for women kept, including no men in prisons, sports kept along xx/xy lines, and not allowing children to be given blockers/hormones or surgery. I've always considered myself left wing, ndp or maybe liberal, but now some of that doesnt fit. Basically any groups i thought I belong to, I don't feel fit anymore.
So "old school transsexual" Claudia according to Julie's narrative 20:35, is not actually a transsexual at all, but a gay man coerced by her gay lover to transition. This is basically the story line from Hedwig and the Angry Inch.
I love Julie Bindel. However I disgust her shameful stance regarding what's happening in Gaza. You can criticise and refuse hamas without justifications for the anti-human practices and daily genocide that is committed by the racist state of Israel and positioning it as the " protector" of civilization rather than the last mediaeval age state with it's all race supremacy and religious regression and uncivilised practices.
Has Julie Bindel really joined the side of free speech - as the Quillette presenter kinda says himself in the introduction. (Is this a case of "my enemies' enemies are my friends"?) Why has Bindel joined the side of free speech? (Perhaps she hasn't!) Because her OWN free speech has been limited? (This is true in many with many other feminists, etc. too) However, in the past, hasn't she been a fierce advocate of bannings, cancellings, limits on free speech, etc? So I don't really trust anyone who suddenly discovers the importance of free speech only when their own free speech is threatened or when it has actually been limited in some way.
Most people change their mind about an issue when it affects them, or brings them to care about it when they previously were completely apathetic to it. And while I think it's smart to have a healthy level of scepticism towards those who were previously against it (which I'm not sure if a Bindel ever was but that's not the point here) I also don't think that blocking those people out helps to take forward the cause for free speech.
@@michaelbashford2733 Julie Bindel was strongly in favour of censorship. Mainly, though not entirely, around the issue of pornography, such as sex shops, strip joints, the "tabloids", etc. She has also "campaigned against" prostitution, lap dancing, brothels, etc. from the 1970s. (This is just a fact, whatever people believe about these issues.)........ "Most people change their mind about an issue when it affects them, or brings them to care about it when they previously were completely apathetic to it." - That seems obviously true - but not about all people. It also means that Bindle may well change back to being a censor in the unlikely scenario that she and other radical feminists stopped being cancelled by activists with other views. In other words, she is essentially in favour of her own free speech. Of course, since no one would openly argue that, she has, indeed, defended other people's (i.e., non-feminists) free speech too - in order to be consistent. "I also don't think that blocking those people out helps to take forward the cause for free speech." - As I said, "my enemies' enemies are my friends". So, sure, realpolitik may well be a good idea when it comes to this issue. However, what I wrote in my first reply still needs to be said.
Brothels, s ex work, pornography harms women as a s ex class, as well as surrogacy, if course she's against it. These are inherently oppressive and contribute to inequality and trafficking. They have nothing to do with bodily autonomy or empowerment but only to male entitlement. What does it have to do with free speech?
As a black Caribbean woman, I’m quite tired and annoyed every side, left , center or right, keep using my so called “race” as a talking point. Can you make your points without bring us up?!
Men get left alone in the Gender war? Apart from being blamed for any and all social ills, discrepancies or disparities and the omnipotent patriarchy. The reason it took a man to say it is because for the most part no one really cares about mens feelings, so hence our feelings have little to no social capital. I love listening to Julie Bindel, always learn something new, but her default position on men is a blind spot.
She has more than just "a blind spot", her contempt is obvious despite the fact that it has become to normalized that most people don't recognize it for what it is: ignorant, hateful, bigotry of exactly the same sort that she accuses men and boys of harboring, who she is incapable of recognizing as human beings.
No one cares about male feelings? Hahahaha, literally this whole rapidly growing movement is about men feelings being more important than women safety and dignity. Your comment is hilarious.
Feminism destroyed academic standards so women could pretend they were the only people in the world with problems. Can’t say I have too much sympathy when it backfires.
The trans movmeny has solidified the absolute need women have for feminists like Julie. Women are at physical disadvantage to men and without vigilance from people like her the tendance towards people abusing this difference is real. She has her faults but she is there for the truly downtrodden women in society.
I don't hate Bindel, but she absolutely needs to stop calling the trans movement "a men's rights movement." I agree the trans women are technically men, that ignores the growing population of trans men in the movement. And much more importantly the "men's rights movement" already has a meaning. We just want to end MGM, hand shelters for male victims of DV, and to tackle the male suicide epidemic. Julie is besmirching the idea of men's rights, IMHO intentionally.
Isn't this a simple battle between "old radicals" and "young radicals"? In other words, wouldn't Julie Bindel herself have once been a Young Radical who battled against her own Old Radicals? (Say, in the 1970s and 1980s.) Of course, each subset of radicals has its own subset of different beliefs. However, the Old Radicals are hardly likely to be comfortable with views they haven't grown up with. (Although, of course, there will be exceptions to this in that some Old Radicals do indeed embrace the latest Radicalism.)... What's more, isn't Julie Bindel's term "lesbian politics" (as used in this interview) a perfect expression of "identity politics"?
No. I'm a millennial and been watching this movement on the left for a long time before it became mainstream. It is not about age. This is about the left being successfully invaded by bougie academics and people in power mainstreaming useful ideologies, and it's becoming more successful and streamlined with the digital age. Class consciousness has been completely dropped in multiple movements as time has went on and in place of it is idntity politics. It's not merely generational. This is capitalism playing out to its fullest conclusion.
"When I make a joke it's misinterpreted; it's willful misinterpretation". In recent years, Julie has written an entire series for The Guardian on why it's good to hate men, praised the rantings of Valeria Solanas as an inspiring reminder of rage toward men, uses "men's rights" as a pejorative and repeatedly refers to domestic violence as "male violence". I don't think anyone need misinterpret her tasteless jokes about putting all men in a prison camp in order to find evidence that Bindel is a dyed in the wool sexist. She is, she has long been open about it, and this retreat to "I'm not a man-hating bigot" is frankly absurd to listen to.
I actually agree with you. However, I also think Julie talks a lot of sense. Her problem is that the sense is always tinged with ideology-- that ideology being misandry.
Intersectional feminsim is a very dubious ideology too, though. To my experience it build on a preestablished conviction, rather than having it´s focus on revealing the truth. People in the academic field of gender theory are extremely biased from the beginning, and are not exactly encouraged by the environment to question the foundations of it´s assumptions. So many things in power structures are hidden, and the gender theories are seldom the ones that is going to find the facts that speaks against the idea of men being dominating. It often speaks about women abusing women sexually, but do they even consider the probably high rate of young men and even boys that are being initiated sexually by adult women? Only in my very proximity I know about two such cases. They tend to focus on the men in power, while the men on the bottom of society are hardly being recognized at all. And what about all the informal power that women has had throughout the history? My guess is that most kings and rulers have had a woman in their proximity, often a mother or a mistress, more or less pulling the strings. How do you take that into account? The famous wage gap that these women have been holding up as an injustice for decades have been proved to be false. Not only do women tend to work less, but they are also less willing to accept jobs that don´t give them emotional fulfillment. Men do that, but of course what economic compensation for doing it. Where is the unjustice, really? Women are free to work in the sewers or stay until late on the office, programming, but choose not to do it. T h e r e i s n o i n j u s t i c e. There are just biased, shallow feminine minds. Remember that women are more inclined than men to base their opinions on emotions, and not on logic!
You could always look at the data on how many women are killed by men in domestic abuse situations, the sex offenders and victims, sex aggregated data or the number of female rape survivors. You are in denial and one of those “not all men” idiots.
@@MackerelCat Feminists truly believe that an insult represents a counterargument. Yet, it's the only tool that they have since logic, evidence, and humor are tools of the patriarchy. You're welcome
Those things actually exist though. Most people in this world are not girl bosses and the modern fminist husbands that support them. In reality, most of the world believes in male authority over women, and that long held belief within a culture evolves into those issues.
Poor Julie - stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place. The word feminism hasn't become bastardized - feminism has changed from Julie's version to something new, and she doesn't like it. And intersectionality has been misappropriated? Bwahahaha! Intersectionality is the source of everytihng she's fighting against, but she can't get herself to give up her orthodoxy. Just as Julie would say approvingly, in intersectionality, women take precedence over men, and lesbian women take precedence over straight women, sooooo ..... it logically follows that 'transwomen' take precedence over 'cis' women. Take it or leave it, Jules, you can't say 'this far, but no further.' Watch how it works: just as straight feminists tried to keep lesbians out of feminism, so cis women are trying to keep trans women out of womanhood.' That, folks, is classic intersectionality. No misappropriation to be seen.
You might have a point except for the fact that men, yes, even those men with a claimed special identity are men. Why do you think that feminism centres men? Is there any other group you think should centre others in their activism? Should disabled people centre able bodied people or how about black people should they centre white people in their activism? No, because it would be absurd as absurd as saying that men can be women.
@@toni6053 You seem to be confused - not surprisingly. The centering is on Julie's - and yours. I don't use the term because it's not my jargon - I didnt take those Gender Studies classes in school. 'Men,' meaning in this case the transgender nutters, have only been able to hijack intersectionality because intersectionality exists. And this imaginary concept was entirely the creation of the lunatic Left. So now that same lunatic Left is lined up in a circular firing squad, and it's MY problem? julie is trapped because she can't give up the very premise that she now wants to argue against. Ideology is like that - it distorts rational thought. Other than that, have a good day.
Oops, your ignorance is showing. The concept of intersectionality was introduced by the legal scholar Kimberle Crenshaw to describe how race and class intersected with feminism. Your feeble attempt at a snarky smear has completely failed.
@@Gingerblaze Both reason and empirical evidence says that men are more stoic than women, i.e. men are more in control of their emotions compared to women, shaped by female sexual selection, since that's been a requirement for men to carry out their sex-specific tasks, and thus men were ranked based on their performance. I.e. it's not an accident, nor a mystery, that men cry less than women.
@@ncorp2668 Yes they are, significantly more so. That's why men have a much more stable mood compared to women. It's why men are less verbally expressive and talkative, more concise and focused and problem/solution-oriented in their ways of thinking and acting, and it's also why they're less expressive in terms of body language. It's also the reason why women tend to moan during intercourse, men don't. It's why men tend to be the stable rock against which the woman's emotional waves can crash: the proverbial shoulder to cry on. It's why women tend to start fights in relationships and are statistically speaking much more likely to initiate both verbal and physical fights compared to men. It's the reason why men are much less likely to cry. All this is due to sex-specific, dedicated neurological pathways as well as testosterone, among other things. You can look up research on transmen who have undergone testosterone therapy, the most significant symptom is that their mood radically stabilizes, they don't get mood swings like they used to, and they get a reduction in need for and engaging in interpersonal drama, which used to be experienced as exciting and fun. The fact that men are stoic and that the masculine ideal, throughout all of history, has been emotional flatness, i.e. mastery of emotions, since dependability (physically, emotionally, financially) is what makes a good man, should be self-evident. But apparently these things need to be explained to people because of anti-male bias making it difficult for people to not see men as raging lunatics, since that is how they are portrayed in academia, in the media and popular culture. One should also be careful not to conflate being angry with not being able to control ones anger, as if the only reason someone is angry is because the person can't control his or her anger - not least because there might be good reason for the person to be angry.
@@ncorp2668 Given the high cost negative consequences for men who lose control in anger... yes, men are necessarily better at women at controlling their anger, because when men fail to restrain their anger the cops get called.
@@user-cg4zp8ql7m Why would men and boys listen to people who HATE them on the basis of our biology? God damn, the fucking entitlement is insane. NO: I am not obligated to respect the perspective of a woman who has nothing but contempt for me.
@@janemayor9210 it's bizarre that you comment on my opposition to her as 'hate' but don't comment on her all-consuming hatred for men. Perhaps not so bizarre if you share that illness I guess
@@OrwellsHousecat say what you like about your perception of Bindel as a man hater, her version of feminisim is not the one advocating in favor of the pharmasurgical castrating of boys and men.
Quillette talking freedom of speech, not sits well with me. I can not forget or forgive them for their support of lockdowns and putting people in camps.
I don't know why Julie Bindel brought Palestine into the discussion. It's an entirely separate issue. I have great respect for Julie Bindel but I hope she just meant in general terms "people are prone to making blase virtue-signalling generalisations when they don't have to live with the consequences" That quote, "from the blank to the blank" (censored here to avoid flagging by the algorithm) is a very complex and misunderstood concept. To some people it's as simple as expressing a wish that all people in that land can live in freedom, equality and respect with equal rights to self determination. But in fairness to Julie Bindel, some people do throw that phrase around with no thought for the millions of people who would be dispossessed and possibly rendered stateless or dead by one inhumane and irresponsible interpretation of the phrase. I just hope she's not against the equality of Palestinian human beings, but I think she's a very good person so i can't imagine that.
Lesbian liberation is a valid expression of gay/lesbian rights. It becomes a problem when it morphs into radical feminism, that sees men as the enemy or the oppressor group.
No one is ' assigned at birth '. To state otherwise denies the existence of thousands of sex selective abortions every year. An act that would not be possible if the SEX of the foetus was a mystery until birth . We sure know what a female is when it's time to end a pregnancy....
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For a moment I wondered what the big issue lesbians had with trans people was about. Then a good friend's girlfriend identified as non-binary. I am 20 years older than this person and have been out for decades. Instead of explaining who they were they tried to give us a "reading assignment" with a bunch of gender theory books. Keep in mind I already had 7 friends who are trans, some who are very out, some not so much. Never had any such demand with any of them. Just normal conversations about ourselves. The first big issue was that every single time I referred to my husband the response always consisted of a weird insistence and her restating with the phrase "your partner". It sounded like you'd sound when you're scolding a very young child for cussing. I was driving her around town because she was job hunting that day and was trying to be helpful. I got home and asked my husband if I was being scolded by this kid. He found out later that in fact I was, but they were willing to let this slide because he gave a good reason for it. Apparently the logic of this had to do with the idea that if this was done it would prevent the deaths of young effeminate gay boys living in the south. I've heard this parroted many times since then and to me it sounds like nothing more than "virtue signaling". What's worse is that I was asked if I wanted to "stick out like a sore thumb" and "did I know how visible that made us". The last time I felt this insulted was as a much younger man and it was coming from a religious fundamentalist. I also have several straight friends with lesbian daughters and all of them had originally come out as trans. You can't ask people why this is happening because you'll be accused of lying or being transphobic. It's mind boggling because the people pushing these ideas are normally half our age and imagine us growing up in some sort of happy, privileged world. This, of course, was NOT the case. These people are NOT my community. They do not accept me for who I am. Most straight people these days are much easier to deal with and far more accepting than these new gender police. I avoid them like the plague.
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One of my best friends is a lesbian. A dyed in the wool, plaid shirt when she was 12, drill-totin, spikey haired, pierced and tattoed, carpenter chick. (Not to cede to stereotypes but in this case they are all true, and she owns them). Also true to lesbian form, she is very 'emotional' and prone to anger.
She says to this day the closest she's ever got to punching someone straight in the face was when a 'trans'woman ('' because there is no such thing imo) told her she wasn't a lesbian, she was a 'trans'man in the closet.
These people talk about 'erasing' others... well.... THEY'RE the ones erasing homosexuals.
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They are thouroughly destroying academia from within, it seems. Universities are now ruled by medieval rules. Accusations are enough, no proof of guilt needed. And proof of what? Of not being woke. Out you go. Not my own experiences, but from what I´ve heard.
I want to know what is this logic about saving the lives of young effeminate gay guys in the south? Could someone please explain to me what is the connection? I genuinely want to know.
I'm the same as commenters above, born in the 80s, saw the worst of the AIDS epidemic, the struggle gay people went through just to be treated like human beings not criminals whose lives dont count.....are the kids of today seriously trying to say that the past generations had it easy?
I also remember many great strong independent lesbian role models who are just fantastic people, very straight up and down, honest, true to themselves and others.... the fact that some people can't accept these strong female role models is so bizarre to me. Why on earth wouldn't you celebrate these great strong women as exemplifying the fantastic diversity of people? Why does being strong and independent mean that a woman must be a man in disguise? It's ridiculous.
I’ve only recently started listening to Bindel and I think she’s keeping the fight for real women alive. Brilliant.
Lol. As if feminism is relevant whatsoever in the West...
@@frakismaximus3052in what way is feminism not relevant in the west? There are differences but it’s definitely not irrelevant. The trans gender ideology has proven that.
Hint: intersectionality in itself is a hijacking movement. That's how it functions. It de-centers the primary and universal purpose and goals of a movement and redirects attention onto separate issues. That's why it's turned out this way.
Yes it's almost like by design it just splinters and destroys everything.
Finally the real point.
Turns out hating straight white men - isn't actually a program for running a successful society.
I have had long term relationships with both women and men. I’m not Queer, I’m not bisexual, I’m just a woman that has had relationships with other people. I find using my private life to gain a badge of honour in my working life distasteful. It’s called a private life for a reason. It has nothing to do with anything and I’d rather be judged for being competent and diligent.
I agree im just a woman that falls im love with woman big deal. I dont wave flags im npt a queer thats horrendous to me. I think the whole alphabet is a mess. Its a alphabet clown car.
You are bisexual by definition, though. Language matters. Just like you can’t identify into a label that doesn’t belong to you, you also can’t identify out of a label that does.
@@HarriedPedestrian I hear your point.
I’m curious to know what you believe the harm with a person just saying that they’ve dated both sexes is?
It could be that they don’t feel fully comfortable with the bisexual label because they are unsure of their sexuality and/or only date one of the sexes now.
Or, perhaps, that a person simply doesn’t want to be identified by a specific set of criteria and stereotypes that constituted by the bisexual label.
What do you reckon?
@@DrAlexisM I see no harm at all in people saying they've dated both sexes. If they are unsure of their sexuality, it is understandable that they wouldn't want to apply any label to themselves initially. But if a person knows for sure that they are capable of being attracted to members of both sexes and yet rejects the label of bisexual, one has to wonder why. The same way one has to wonder why an increasing number of girls want to identify out of their sex class. I believe the answer is internalized biphobia and internalized misogyny, respectively. They reject the stereotypes associated with the words, even though the strict definition of those words does describe them. Bisexual people are not all promiscuous and untrustworthy people, and girls are not all flighty and shallow. Rejecting the word bisexual when they are bisexual suggests that they believe the stereotypes, and since they aren't any of those awful things, the word couldn't possibly apply to them. It's grounded in prejudicial thinking.
@@HarriedPedestrian I wholeheartedly concur; well put!
Despite this, I still don’t believe I’ve the right to judge those who are, for any reason (including those we’ve described above), too afraid to label themselves.
I do feel pretty sorry for many of them, though. 🩵
Small correction: this ideology was promulgated primarily from America, through queer theory in academia. The UK, like the rest of the West, had that American culture spread via unfettered social media and academic discourse. We just had the existing feminist infrastructure and organisation in place in the UK to push back quicker and harder.
Bindel, as always, is brilliant.
Its an awful movement
I’m a multiple marriages 60 year old man who most would consider right wing, if not far right, politically. I came back to England in 2000 after 17 years in California. I have never ever heard Julie Bindel say anything I have disagreed with. Or could disagree with.
Women only spaces exist because predatory males exist. Bravo.
I liked this conversation very much. Thanks for having her on
Wow I agree with Julie completely what a lovely woman
Thanks. It's always a joy listening to Ms Bindel
Super da ima još ljudi u Hr koji prate Bindel (vjerojatno i Joyce, Stock i Murraya) i Quillete. Ugodno iznenađenje!
Da, sve njih (pretpostavljam da pricamo o Douglasu Murrayju). Premda nisam niti blizu centru, a kamoli desnici (a ove ljude se, neshvatljivo opisuje kao desnicu), feminizam kakvog oni zagovaraju je feminizam koji mi je blizak i kojem sam ja blizak
Any interview with Julie Bindel is worth listening to.
13:33: "... these highfalutin' pointless ideologies are harmful to those with the least resources."
The voice of Julie fortifies my feminism
@@MissPrudence100 The voice of Julie fortifies my contempt for feminists.
With which of her arguments/points do you disagree, in particular? A genuine question.
Maybe I'm just being over sensitive, but I do rather resent the continual promotion of the idea that men are a threat to women. Lesbian, misandrist bigots have been pushing this trope for far too long without getting the pushback they deserve. I'm happy to see the tide turning.
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I’m with Bindel 150%👌🏻👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👌🏻
How can it be more than 100%?
Saying 150% demonstrates precisely why the support is as bunk as Bindel's bile.
@@OrwellsHousecat fool
I'm with her 150 % too. She a legend.
Nah, her comments suggesting all women should be gay are disturbing to say the least. She has an ulterior motive.
@@user-og6hl6lv7p you referring to her saying all women should try being lesbian?
Julie Bindel is so brilliant and articulate. Great interview.
no she isnt, shes a communist and a bigot, and not a very pleasant person,
Julie Bindel is great. I've been reading everything of hers I can get my hands on.
Love a bit of Bindel.
Love me some Bindel bits as well!
Great interview! Nice that I live at the same time as Julie Bindel, she embodies what feminism is
I like Julie, she is an important voice in these ridiculous times wthin which we find ourselves. I just wish she hadn't been so spiteful and personal in her attack on Kellie Jay Keen. They're different women, both performing essential roles in this fight against madness, and to call another woman a "thick fuck", I feel betrays a deeply unpleasant character.
oh well she is human, I am sure she has learned from it @@zeldagoblin
@@mariasinfiltros1478 I fully accept that. I'm definitely not someone who holds people up for everything they've ever said, and I wish she would do a bit of self reflection and maybe retract or explain it. But, as far as I know, she's stood by the comment.
I understand that Kellie Jay has a very assertive manner, and that they operate very differently, but they're on the same side. I see so much in fighting between these advocacy groups and people fighting these ideologies, and I'm convinced they get further if they backed each other. I'm disappointed. Kellie has said she's open to dialogue and that she feels the two would agree on a whole lot, but I really think there's some elitism and even classism on JB's part.
I like them both, I'd actually love to see them have a conversation. But tearing other women down like that I would suggest is against feminism.
great if they got together but for JB the cause of women's rights is her focus not only the single issue of fighting the gender identity ideology but sure better to stick together @@zeldagoblin
Yeah, sadly she does😂
“Gender identity” can’t be defined without resorting to sexist stereotypes.
Just because a man likes to wear dresses, and put on makeup, that doesn’t mean he dislikes being a man.
Or hates his own body.
Thank you ...... what a wonderful interview ........ and my love to Claudia, what a frightful story, how indomitable does someone have to be to survive that ?
The best interview I've ever seen regarding this nonsense is Julie bindel and Douglas Murray taking this nonsense apart. It should be compulsory viewing in schools and universities
Oh I'm so envious! I wish I was friends with you Bindel AND Rowling. I'm not a lesbian but I still feel a terrible lack of lesbians in my life because lesbians so iften are the pinacle of being human. AND I need more real feminists in my life.
This single mum, on a benefit in social housing with a vulnerable son, SAYS, THANKYOU
You guys need to get Christina Buttons on for a chat. She wrote a great substack on the intersection of people with autism & identification with trans identities. There's something to be discussed when trans women insist on imposing themselves into conversations about women's rights. As Christina notes - people with autism have very black/white thinking and a strong sense of justice & how the world should operate. WIth basic operating model of men & women - if trans women are actually women, the conversation is now a black & white social justice conversation.
Is Bindel autistic in this regard?
@@OrwellsHousecatNo, she's just grounded in reality - not something anyone in the Woke Mob can manage.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 she's not grounded in reality she's grounded in the misandry of Wokism 1.0 (Rabid Feminism) and can't stand the Wokism 2.0 (Intersectional Feminism)
Not only a dose of trans bigotry, but a dose of ableism and anti autistic rhetoric as well. I am an autistic woman, assigned female at birth. I have lived a full life being autistic. I have a son. I was a scholar. Why are you transphobic people so hateful of those of us that have sensory and communication disorders? Not all autistic people think in black and white. It is really gross and unacceptable
@@karenholmes6565 good point. Question, seeing as the majority of research points to ASD being genetically propagated, what do you think the consequences would be should large numbers of People with Autism go on puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and have surgeries to change the appearance and functionality of thier genitals? We already know these procedures can, and do lead to infertility. Isn't that a form of eugenics?
Great work Julie but I don’t like how you treat Kelly J Keen. Women should all stand together. Not attack
Julie can't handle Kelly because Kelly talks sense without the feminist ideolody. She's the 'everyman's TERF', as it were, and appeals to men as much as women.
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why, what happened.
great video, thanks a lot.
"Tranada" 💀
JULIE needs to re-consider her tineline for homosexual 'activism'. I was a student activist back in the early 1970s. CHE was already in existence; and the Gay Christian Movement was founded in 1976: for - make no mistake - the 'scriptural literalists' in the Protestant and Anglican churches lay behind the societal attitudes at that time. Today, they are mainly irrelevant: and ignored by politicians seeking to make 'public policy' regarding adult, consensual, sex. Then came the 1980s (the Decade of AIDS). In 1986, one of a homosexual couple died from a heart-attack, in my car, whilst I was driving him to see his partner of twenty years, who was dying from AIDS in St Stephen's Hospital, London. Those two dear men - the finest friends a young homosexual man could have - died within thirty hours of one another. Last October I shared forty years of life with my male partner: and what we both object-to is the same 'labelling' to which JULIE objects; and which is carried out by Communists like OWEN JONES, whereby we are designated part of an 'LGBTQ+ community'. Such a Far Left. identity political, 'community' may exist in London (I'll bet those lesbian, homosexual, bisexual and transgender clubs are something to behold!) but they are entirely unnecessary in rural Somerset. Or they were: because there is now a new, imported, pseudo-religion of the horizon, which shares the same ideas as those Christian 'scriptural literalists' I cited earlier, when it comes to the 'sinfulness' of sex which is not preceded by a 'wedding'. Of course the churchgoing 'scriptural-literalists' would not get away with prescribing an unpleasant DEATH as the 'cure' for homosexuality: but they don't need-to. His Globalist Majesty's Government has imported sufficient people from that vile pseudo-religion, to do the job for them!
she rocks
A brilliant woman.
Julie Bindle rocks ❤
It's the audacity to have Claudia cut her body around his bs. It's no joke being a self hating and closeted but the unabashed audacity...
YES!!
أما بالنسبة ليساريي الشرق فقدرنا أن نكون بين مطرقة اليسار المتأسلم و سندان اليسار المتصهين.
I’ll be buying her book. ❤️🇾🇪🇨🇦
Great interview. Where do I sign up for the quad bikes?
I know a poor black woman who has been sexually assaulted twice who upholds this ideology and when I try to explain why it's problematic, she just sort of shrugs!
This is exactly what really bothers me. I totally agree with the fact that there are just 2 sexes. I agree 100% with the Cass report and was shocked that media just ignored it. This gender affirming care which is shamefully practiced in my home of Canada, is permanently harming children. Yet...as a firm atheist, Im shocked that many of my supposedly critical thinking atheist icons, buy this shit, and won't even listen to reason. Im instantly called a transphobe, which is ridiculous. I just want safe spaces for women kept, including no men in prisons, sports kept along xx/xy lines, and not allowing children to be given blockers/hormones or surgery.
I've always considered myself left wing, ndp or maybe liberal, but now some of that doesnt fit. Basically any groups i thought I belong to, I don't feel fit anymore.
I feel very lucky to share the world with women like Julie.
Dear lord 😂
So "old school transsexual" Claudia according to Julie's narrative 20:35, is not actually a transsexual at all, but a gay man coerced by her gay lover to transition. This is basically the story line from Hedwig and the Angry Inch.
What do you call two lesbians in a cupboard,? A liquor cabinet .
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Its genius really men destroying femenism from within!
I guess because being straight became the queerest odd thing, I never felt so special.
❤❤❤ what a beautiful lady JULI IS XXX❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉😂❤❤❤
These Quilette videos always start by saying you can go to their website and become a "paid subscriber". Does anyone know how much they pay?
Hi David, thanks for your interest :) it's $10/month or $100/year. We also have a free trial: quillette.com/#/portal/signup
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You pay in braincells
35:46 to 36:21 - Wow. Damning indeed!
Fascinating conversation.
One of my friends isn’t a lesbian.
40:11 & 41:49 also great interview 😍😍😍💪🙏
I love Julie Bindel. However I disgust her shameful stance regarding what's happening in Gaza. You can criticise and refuse hamas without justifications for the anti-human practices and daily genocide that is committed by the racist state of Israel and positioning it as the
" protector" of civilization rather than the last mediaeval age state with it's all race supremacy and religious regression and uncivilised practices.
👍👍👍👍👍👍!
"I wouldn't imagine [...] I being" 🤮
I love JUlie!
Has Julie Bindel really joined the side of free speech - as the Quillette presenter kinda says himself in the introduction. (Is this a case of "my enemies' enemies are my friends"?) Why has Bindel joined the side of free speech? (Perhaps she hasn't!) Because her OWN free speech has been limited? (This is true in many with many other feminists, etc. too) However, in the past, hasn't she been a fierce advocate of bannings, cancellings, limits on free speech, etc? So I don't really trust anyone who suddenly discovers the importance of free speech only when their own free speech is threatened or when it has actually been limited in some way.
When male only spaces were being raided, protested and destroyed by women, I doubt she had much problem with it.
Most people change their mind about an issue when it affects them, or brings them to care about it when they previously were completely apathetic to it.
And while I think it's smart to have a healthy level of scepticism towards those who were previously against it (which I'm not sure if a Bindel ever was but that's not the point here) I also don't think that blocking those people out helps to take forward the cause for free speech.
@@michaelbashford2733 Julie Bindel was strongly in favour of censorship. Mainly, though not entirely, around the issue of pornography, such as sex shops, strip joints, the "tabloids", etc. She has also "campaigned against" prostitution, lap dancing, brothels, etc. from the 1970s. (This is just a fact, whatever people believe about these issues.)........ "Most people change their mind about an issue when it affects them, or brings them to care about it when they previously were completely apathetic to it." - That seems obviously true - but not about all people. It also means that Bindle may well change back to being a censor in the unlikely scenario that she and other radical feminists stopped being cancelled by activists with other views. In other words, she is essentially in favour of her own free speech. Of course, since no one would openly argue that, she has, indeed, defended other people's (i.e., non-feminists) free speech too - in order to be consistent. "I also don't think that blocking those people out helps to take forward the cause for free speech." - As I said, "my enemies' enemies are my friends". So, sure, realpolitik may well be a good idea when it comes to this issue. However, what I wrote in my first reply still needs to be said.
@@ejtattersall156tell me one male space where women pose a sexual or violent threat to men?
Brothels, s ex work, pornography harms women as a s ex class, as well as surrogacy, if course she's against it. These are inherently oppressive and contribute to inequality and trafficking. They have nothing to do with bodily autonomy or empowerment but only to male entitlement. What does it have to do with free speech?
Id suggest "Lesbianism for women" as a title, you can go for a series!
As a black Caribbean woman, I’m quite tired and annoyed every side, left , center or right, keep using my so called “race” as a talking point. Can you make your points without bring us up?!
don't be woke
Men get left alone in the Gender war? Apart from being blamed for any and all social ills, discrepancies or disparities and the omnipotent patriarchy. The reason it took a man to say it is because for the most part no one really cares about mens feelings, so hence our feelings have little to no social capital. I love listening to Julie Bindel, always learn something new, but her default position on men is a blind spot.
She has more than just "a blind spot", her contempt is obvious despite the fact that it has become to normalized that most people don't recognize it for what it is: ignorant, hateful, bigotry of exactly the same sort that she accuses men and boys of harboring, who she is incapable of recognizing as human beings.
No one cares about male feelings? Hahahaha, literally this whole rapidly growing movement is about men feelings being more important than women safety and dignity. Your comment is hilarious.
I love that she still suggest that men "get away with more". She is amazingly dense. A feminist hammer that sees all men as nails.😂
Feminism destroyed academic standards so women could pretend they were the only people in the world with problems. Can’t say I have too much sympathy when it backfires.
Hearing an intersectional, radical feminist decry people with "high falutin', pointless ideologies" is really rich.
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The trans movmeny has solidified the absolute need women have for feminists like Julie. Women are at physical disadvantage to men and without vigilance from people like her the tendance towards people abusing this difference is real. She has her faults but she is there for the truly downtrodden women in society.
I like Julie a lot. She speaks a lot of sense.
But she also speaks a lot of guff Because Men Evil.
Your comment is quality.
Maybe you don't know what radical feminism really is. You may not agree with it but you can't say it's pointless.
brabus should only do mercs
I don't hate Bindel, but she absolutely needs to stop calling the trans movement "a men's rights movement." I agree the trans women are technically men, that ignores the growing population of trans men in the movement. And much more importantly the "men's rights movement" already has a meaning. We just want to end MGM, hand shelters for male victims of DV, and to tackle the male suicide epidemic.
Julie is besmirching the idea of men's rights, IMHO intentionally.
She sees it as killing two men with one stone
@@OrwellsHousecat exactly!
You forgot forced military service. Maybe no thing in the UK today, but very much elsewhere.
@@miriamlana833 and 100 other topics. Just wanted to give a few good examples.
@@IChooseAHandle but this is a question of life and death more than all the others. See Ukraine and Russia.
Julie displays the most awful bigotry against males....
Isn't this a simple battle between "old radicals" and "young radicals"? In other words, wouldn't Julie Bindel herself have once been a Young Radical who battled against her own Old Radicals? (Say, in the 1970s and 1980s.) Of course, each subset of radicals has its own subset of different beliefs. However, the Old Radicals are hardly likely to be comfortable with views they haven't grown up with. (Although, of course, there will be exceptions to this in that some Old Radicals do indeed embrace the latest Radicalism.)... What's more, isn't Julie Bindel's term "lesbian politics" (as used in this interview) a perfect expression of "identity politics"?
Yup, Intersectional Feminism vs Rabid Feminism
I think you're right that a lot of the incomprehension around gender issues is down to age differences.
No. I'm a millennial and been watching this movement on the left for a long time before it became mainstream. It is not about age. This is about the left being successfully invaded by bougie academics and people in power mainstreaming useful ideologies, and it's becoming more successful and streamlined with the digital age. Class consciousness has been completely dropped in multiple movements as time has went on and in place of it is idntity politics. It's not merely generational. This is capitalism playing out to its fullest conclusion.
Mo the older feminists understand how poisonous trans ideology is
"When I make a joke it's misinterpreted; it's willful misinterpretation".
In recent years, Julie has written an entire series for The Guardian on why it's good to hate men, praised the rantings of Valeria Solanas as an inspiring reminder of rage toward men, uses "men's rights" as a pejorative and repeatedly refers to domestic violence as "male violence". I don't think anyone need misinterpret her tasteless jokes about putting all men in a prison camp in order to find evidence that Bindel is a dyed in the wool sexist. She is, she has long been open about it, and this retreat to "I'm not a man-hating bigot" is frankly absurd to listen to.
I actually agree with you.
However, I also think Julie talks a lot of sense. Her problem is that the sense is always tinged with ideology-- that ideology being misandry.
.Book title suggestions...Lesbians xx ...Lesbian chromosomes ...Biological Lesbians....Lesbian Women....Female Lesbians.
Men are bullied less? WTF?
She lies, it's how her blood is oxygenated (assuming it's blood in her veins)
Intersectional feminsim is a very dubious ideology too, though. To my experience it build on a preestablished conviction, rather than having it´s focus on revealing the truth. People in the academic field of gender theory are extremely biased from the beginning, and are not exactly encouraged by the environment to question the foundations of it´s assumptions. So many things in power structures are hidden, and the gender theories are seldom the ones that is going to find the facts that speaks against the idea of men being dominating. It often speaks about women abusing women sexually, but do they even consider the probably high rate of young men and even boys that are being initiated sexually by adult women? Only in my very proximity I know about two such cases. They tend to focus on the men in power, while the men on the bottom of society are hardly being recognized at all. And what about all the informal power that women has had throughout the history? My guess is that most kings and rulers have had a woman in their proximity, often a mother or a mistress, more or less pulling the strings. How do you take that into account? The famous wage gap that these women have been holding up as an injustice for decades have been proved to be false. Not only do women tend to work less, but they are also less willing to accept jobs that don´t give them emotional fulfillment. Men do that, but of course what economic compensation for doing it. Where is the unjustice, really? Women are free to work in the sewers or stay until late on the office, programming, but choose not to do it. T h e r e i s n o i n j u s t i c e. There are just biased, shallow feminine minds. Remember that women are more inclined than men to base their opinions on emotions, and not on logic!
Anyone who's buying Bindel's guff about domestic abuse should research Erin Pizzey who set up the very first wmn's refuge.
Good point; domestic abuse goes both ways.
She never says it is better a battered man to a battered woman?
You could always look at the data on how many women are killed by men in domestic abuse situations, the sex offenders and victims, sex aggregated data or the number of female rape survivors. You are in denial and one of those “not all men” idiots.
Are men and women the same or are they different? Is it a fair fight and the same when men fight women?
@@ncorp2668 different weapons - different intentions - different honour codes - look at the empirical research
Women parrot this shit almost all the time
The best way to tolerate Bindel rhetoric is to take a drink whenever she says: misogynist, male violence, or rape
Said someone who probably is guilty of all three of those things.
@@MackerelCat Feminists truly believe that an insult represents a counterargument. Yet, it's the only tool that they have since logic, evidence, and humor are tools of the patriarchy. You're welcome
Those things actually exist though. Most people in this world are not girl bosses and the modern fminist husbands that support them. In reality, most of the world believes in male authority over women, and that long held belief within a culture evolves into those issues.
@@MackerelCat Why do you think it's funny or acceptable to be a bigot?
Poor Julie - stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place. The word feminism hasn't become bastardized - feminism has changed from Julie's version to something new, and she doesn't like it. And intersectionality has been misappropriated? Bwahahaha! Intersectionality is the source of everytihng she's fighting against, but she can't get herself to give up her orthodoxy. Just as Julie would say approvingly, in intersectionality, women take precedence over men, and lesbian women take precedence over straight women, sooooo ..... it logically follows that 'transwomen' take precedence over 'cis' women. Take it or leave it, Jules, you can't say 'this far, but no further.' Watch how it works: just as straight feminists tried to keep lesbians out of feminism, so cis women are trying to keep trans women out of womanhood.' That, folks, is classic intersectionality. No misappropriation to be seen.
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Intersectional Feminism vs Rabid Feminism
Feminism Ruins Everything
You might have a point except for the fact that men, yes, even those men with a claimed special identity are men. Why do you think that feminism centres men? Is there any other group you think should centre others in their activism? Should disabled people centre able bodied people or how about black people should they centre white people in their activism? No, because it would be absurd as absurd as saying that men can be women.
@@toni6053 You seem to be confused - not surprisingly. The centering is on Julie's - and yours. I don't use the term because it's not my jargon - I didnt take those Gender Studies classes in school. 'Men,' meaning in this case the transgender nutters, have only been able to hijack intersectionality because intersectionality exists. And this imaginary concept was entirely the creation of the lunatic Left. So now that same lunatic Left is lined up in a circular firing squad, and it's MY problem? julie is trapped because she can't give up the very premise that she now wants to argue against. Ideology is like that - it distorts rational thought.
Other than that, have a good day.
There’s no such thing as a cis woman, there’s just women.i think you need to take it or leave it and return to the real world.
Oops, your ignorance is showing. The concept of intersectionality was introduced by the legal scholar Kimberle Crenshaw to describe how race and class intersected with feminism. Your feeble attempt at a snarky smear has completely failed.
“Men are more decisive and master their strong emotions” says everything you need to hear.
The scientific data from long term studies shows that to be false.
@@Gingerblaze Both reason and empirical evidence says that men are more stoic than women, i.e. men are more in control of their emotions compared to women, shaped by female sexual selection, since that's been a requirement for men to carry out their sex-specific tasks, and thus men were ranked based on their performance. I.e. it's not an accident, nor a mystery, that men cry less than women.
@@magnuskarlsson8655 Are men better at controlling their anger than women? Let's be real.
@@ncorp2668 Yes they are, significantly more so. That's why men have a much more stable mood compared to women. It's why men are less verbally expressive and talkative, more concise and focused and problem/solution-oriented in their ways of thinking and acting, and it's also why they're less expressive in terms of body language. It's also the reason why women tend to moan during intercourse, men don't. It's why men tend to be the stable rock against which the woman's emotional waves can crash: the proverbial shoulder to cry on. It's why women tend to start fights in relationships and are statistically speaking much more likely to initiate both verbal and physical fights compared to men. It's the reason why men are much less likely to cry.
All this is due to sex-specific, dedicated neurological pathways as well as testosterone, among other things. You can look up research on transmen who have undergone testosterone therapy, the most significant symptom is that their mood radically stabilizes, they don't get mood swings like they used to, and they get a reduction in need for and engaging in interpersonal drama, which used to be experienced as exciting and fun.
The fact that men are stoic and that the masculine ideal, throughout all of history, has been emotional flatness, i.e. mastery of emotions, since dependability (physically, emotionally, financially) is what makes a good man, should be self-evident. But apparently these things need to be explained to people because of anti-male bias making it difficult for people to not see men as raging lunatics, since that is how they are portrayed in academia, in the media and popular culture.
One should also be careful not to conflate being angry with not being able to control ones anger, as if the only reason someone is angry is because the person can't control his or her anger - not least because there might be good reason for the person to be angry.
@@ncorp2668 Given the high cost negative consequences for men who lose control in anger... yes, men are necessarily better at women at controlling their anger, because when men fail to restrain their anger the cops get called.
Half the words comming out of this woman's mouth are emotionally based falacies.
Ok, you hate men, what next?
Hard to take her seriously
That's all you heard?
@@jamakaya1332 they were never listening.
@@user-cg4zp8ql7m Why would men and boys listen to people who HATE them on the basis of our biology? God damn, the fucking entitlement is insane. NO: I am not obligated to respect the perspective of a woman who has nothing but contempt for me.
Whichever side Bindel takes, thinking people should take the opposite side
I get the sentiment but I disagree. I reject both intersectionality and radical feminism. They are both harmful ideologies.
@@that1guy375 Bingo. That's what I think. Both radical feminism and the intersectional alphabet soup are off the mark.
Goodness you really don’t like Julie Mr Orwell - I’m sure there are more deserving people of your hate.
@@janemayor9210 it's bizarre that you comment on my opposition to her as 'hate' but don't comment on her all-consuming hatred for men. Perhaps not so bizarre if you share that illness I guess
@@OrwellsHousecat say what you like about your perception of Bindel as a man hater, her version of feminisim is not the one advocating in favor of the pharmasurgical castrating of boys and men.
Quillette talking freedom of speech, not sits well with me. I can not forget or forgive them for their support of lockdowns and putting people in camps.
I don't know why Julie Bindel brought Palestine into the discussion. It's an entirely separate issue.
I have great respect for Julie Bindel but I hope she just meant in general terms "people are prone to making blase virtue-signalling generalisations when they don't have to live with the consequences"
That quote, "from the blank to the blank" (censored here to avoid flagging by the algorithm) is a very complex and misunderstood concept. To some people it's as simple as expressing a wish that all people in that land can live in freedom, equality and respect with equal rights to self determination. But in fairness to Julie Bindel, some people do throw that phrase around with no thought for the millions of people who would be dispossessed and possibly rendered stateless or dead by one inhumane and irresponsible interpretation of the phrase. I just hope she's not against the equality of Palestinian human beings, but I think she's a very good person so i can't imagine that.
Its an anti-Semitic phrase because it advocates for a one state solution for Palestine at the exclusion of Israelis.
Wtf is lesbian liberation?
It's female Patriarchy, ie Feminism, but the Les are on top
Communism.
@@dgumbrecht ?
Lesbian liberation is a valid expression of gay/lesbian rights. It becomes a problem when it morphs into radical feminism, that sees men as the enemy or the oppressor group.
It's a return to matriarchy i.e the paleolithic era
When AMABs become the new Jews and AFABs the new Aryans like in TERF ideology, what is wrong with comparing your TERFism with Nazi ideology, Julie?
This is one of the top ten comments on the internet.
Are you drunk
@@devilkitty6725 right towards the insults much?
@@devilkitty6725 no, but you seem to be if you don't understand.
No one is ' assigned at birth '. To state otherwise denies the existence of thousands of sex selective abortions every year. An act that would not be possible if the SEX of the foetus was a mystery until birth . We sure know what a female is when it's time to end a pregnancy....
Lesbian - raising the fist 👊