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Road Tubeless FINALLY Comes of Age | New & Redesigned Schwalbe Pro One Tyre
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Schwalbe has updated its popular Pro One tubeless tyre, with a new design said to be faster and lighter than its predecessor, with improved puncture protection and durability.
The latest Pro One utilises a new carcass construction and compound, and also conforms to the now-confirmed standard for road tubeless.
Schwalbe claims the Pro One Tubeless Easy (TLE) offers 13% lower rolling resistance than the outgoing Pro One, with 22% more cornering grip. Puncture protection has also been improved by a claimed 30%. Wear rate is said to be 4,000-5,000km. The Pro One TT Tubeless Easy is said to offer a further 21% improvement in rolling resistance.
The Pro One TLE will be available in 25mm, 28mm and 30mm sizes, optimised for a 19mm internal rim width, while Schwalbe will also offer a Pro One for use with an inner tube, with the additional option of a 23mm version. The Pro One TT will be available in 25mm and 28mm widths only.
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I tried tubeless tires for road... but now I'm back with clinchers. GP5000 to be exact and I'm good.
Anthony HT ditto
Same here, fitting tires is a disaster, puncture is such a mess and changing tires is even more messy...
Marc Davidson Ditto here
After removing (trying very HARD to remove) Bontrager tubeless, I went with my old standby, GP4000ii & now 5000 clinchers. But a set of Schwalbe Pro One “Tubless Easy” are sitting on my shelf waiting to race next season.
So basically this guy just reads us the marketing folder of Schwalbe...
Echoing a lot of the other comments, I have adored my old 28mm Pro Ones, so any improvements will be icing on the cake.
I love Conti's, when in doubt, you can't go wrong. That said, I looove my Schwalbe Pro Ones. It took me a bit to get them set up tubeless, not the tires fault, but they feel soooo good. The most supple tire I've ever riden and I have yet to flat it.
Super happy with my old 28mm Pro Ones. Strava says mine did about 8-9k and I don't really see any issues with them. Zero punctures over two years of ownership, where I caught at least 2-3 every season on my old Conti GP 4000-s (tho I assume 25mm@8 bar might be to blame, I ride 5-6bar nowadays). The only cons are the price and the standard tubeless issues (sealant drying over time and having to check pressure weekly).
Same here, 28mm and zero punctures in nearly 4000 miles.
@Marc Davidson 12-15 flats annually? Damn, where do you ride, or how much? :) I agree on choice of words - no flats, but I must have had punctures as I see sealant spots every now and then. I am almost tempted to try Muck Off's glow in the UV sealant to see the damage, but I am unsure if I *really* want to know.
This is wicked Pissah Cool I’ve been Road Tubeless for 4 years and love it!🙂
I just jumped into it and it surely gives me much more confidence. Now I don’t want to ride my other bikes because I have the with tubes....lol
What is so damn funny is every time the manufacturers come out with a new tire they say it's this percent faster and that percent better at flat protection. I wish it was half true because tires would be awesome right in this day and age. But what I really can tell you is I still get the same performance that I got 20 years ago as far as I can tell. Aren't you folks getting sick and tired of the BS? I know I am.
Wasupwitdat1 Mofiki by now we should nearly not need to pedal LOL
In order to find out you must take tires to the extreme?!
The primary reason for tubeless is the same reason you don't use inner tubes on a car. Inner tubes can instantly deflate which is where the term BLOWOUT comes from and I'd rather be covered in sealant than risk a blowout when I'm doing 40+ mph downhill.
A GP5000 vs schwalbe tubeless shootout?
Can't wait until Bicycle Rolling Resistance does a proper shootout with these new Pro Ones! Either Conti is still king or Conti has a heck of a new tire coming to try and top these.
Cup & Cone I doubt the Schwalbe will beat the GP5000. From rumblings on the internet and reading between the lines in the marketing spiel, the GP5000 may have sacrificed grip compared to both the competition and the GP4k s2. It seems like grip was given a decent amount of attention on the pro one, so I imagine it will test slower. The Pro One TT will almost certainly be faster, though.
@@cup_and_cone isn't the Vittoria the king?
@@JD2ndcity In rolling resistance they are, but my comment was more aimed at the sheer popularity of Contis. Vittorias are basically race day tires compared to 5000's.
@@cup_and_cone Assuming you are talking about the corsa speeds. not the regular corsa right? We really need a proper unbias shootout to lay it clear for all of us
And I just got back from the bike shop after buying some sealant and using their compressor to inflate my Hutchinson Fusions.
No Skinwall for regular TLE Pro One? That is just sad! :(
Really liked the pro ones I have had for the last 2-3 years with the exception of trying to mount them which involves getting a proper sweat on. If the new ones are all they claim then I will be a happy man even more so if they are cheaper than the gp5000 TL (hint hint Schwalbe).
Thumbs up for Schwalbe!
I had Pro One TLE classic tan, the weight is heavier than advertised. 318g for 25C.
When are they coming out with a 406 version. So far all our choices for tubeless is just one choice. Mounting is a bit of a pain, but when stretched on a tube fitted rim and allowed to stretch for a few days, most go on with only a regular floor pump.
Great ad
The most important thing about this is that we finally have a gumwall option for road tubeless. So happy
killroy123 I don’t know how I feel about painted nylon gumwalls. raw cotton sidewalls are great, but painted gumwall just seems a bit.... tacky.
but only for TT (no anti-puncture belt) and the normal "one", wich is essential the old pro one. the new pro one does not have a painted sidewall (which looks not really great compared to a real cotton sidewall btw). sadly.
Exercise caution when buying Schwalbe One series tubeless tyres. The tyre sidewall is too stiff and cannot be fitted on my standard up-vine wheelset. It ended up cracking my front wheelset.
Great news! Great video! BTW: Pronunciation, it's German, so that e at the end sounds like a short 'a', making it "Schwal-ba" (definitely not baa, bee or by, or anything sounding like e)
In here is Shoalbee somewhere else might be SHWELBEWQERRE
When will these hit the stores? Can't seem to find one online yet
are they easier to get on and off the rim? the last version was a royal pain!
Experience with my Pro 1's were disappointing, only 2800km then the rear tire was completely shot & started to de-laminate... Had so many 'unsealable' punctures I eventually fitted a tube.
GP5000 23c doesn’t count in the competition since it’s not tubeless
Been running tubeless for 3 years now and only had problems with Schwalbe tyres. Moved to Hutchinson and happy since. Coming of age statement is marketing bs.
What problems?
I got Pro ones on WTB rims and works just perfect for 2 years. Also on Bontrager Aelous 3's set. Now seems that will change with "new standard"
So how do we know which one we're buying? Between the old and new
I've on GP 5000TLs for a few months now. So far they *seem* more durable than previous Hutchinson and Schwalbe TLs. Punctures rare on all of them. These new Pro Ones certainly look interesting though.
I have had GP 5000 TLs . Have had 4 flats in rear the last 2,000 miles. They become bouncy. The sealant couldn’t seal puncture
Sooo.. are they UST compatible or not? Would love to find a longer-lasting alternative to the Yksions.
It will be interesting to see if they solved the problem of re sealing tyre after topping up sealant.
Use removable valves. Don't unseat the bead! Use a zip-tie to check level.
Have been on road Tl for 4 years on pro one (and ones on michelin) never ever going back to tubes. Looking forward to this new schwalbe, the old pro one does not hold up that well
Can only hope the puncture protection is much better than the current Scwalbe Pro One's, I run 28mm front and rear and regulally at the end of my ride the rear of my bike is sprayed with sealant, this happened from day one (65 + 75psi). Prior to changing to Scwalbe I was primarily using Conti 4000's hardly had a flat in over 10,000kms on same roads, now have Conti 5000's on another bike these seem even more durable than the 4000's. So 28 mm tubeless Conti 5000's will replace the Scwalbe Pro One's soon.
Yup, the new Schwalbe is different alright. I just got one of these new to replace the back Schwalbe Pro One that had a lot of wear. It's a different size, which probably explains why it is lighter than the old tire. I use the 25C on a wide rim from Boyd. The new tire inflated is not flush with the sidewalls of the rim like the other old tire was and measures 26.88mm versus the old tire width measures 29mm, like the front tire is. Now I will have to buy a front tire so the sizes match front and back even though the front tire looks like it would last me a long time yet. The new Schwalbe isn't cheap which is why I only bought one. It's not the same size if anyone is going to buy this tire.
i am happy with the old pro one. new pro one? yes, please😍
Of course this video comes out literally an hour after my order of 2 new pro-ones shipped.
the new ones would be twice as expensive compared to your purchase. unless you are ready to wait half a year to see the price go down.
rararroro more like wait half a year to even be able to buy them. They’re not even on the schwalbe website yet
Be happy , Pro-Ones are great tyres
@@404nobrakes on the site now available in the UK in a fortnight
dc 1 that’s good news
Just as soon as I figure out if the new standard will allow me to buy tubeless from another manufacturer for my Mavic UST carbon rims, I’ll be very happy. Until then I remain Intrigued and slightly apprehensive. When full incompatibility has been established I’ll be suitably pissed. In the meantime have you been picking blueberries with your face Jack ?? It looks like your eye sockets had to fight off some serious abuse 😕 are you okay, poison ivy ? And where’s Broccoli head ?
What sealant are riders using with the pro one? I can’t get mine to seal beyond 20psi
Conti 700x23 is sized like a Michelin 700x21. Wonder how Schwalbe compares.
What's the difference in a tubeless tyre and a regular clincher?
23 mm is not outdated; in combination with a 25mm rear tyre it is generally the fastest setup. Not everyone has to ride British roads or goes with the gravel (marketing)-trend.
Especially if you have old rims
Having had to walk home due to poor puncture protection of the Pro Ones, I don't know if I would give up my Hutchison Vectors yet. I owned 3 Pro Ones. 1 sidewall cut and 2 punctures. Best riding tires I had but 100% failures
🤔
what about the Goodyear 4 season eagle?
I cannot find them anywhere? Schwalbe doesn’t even have them on their website.
Lars bike industry in a nutshell. Almost like they don’t want our money.
Got mine from BikeTiresDirect.com. But read my long winded review before you purchase.
up until now, i only had flats with schwalbe tyres. thats why i switched all my tires to conti and i dont look back
I really wanted Road Tubeless to be good, but to date, is has been just disappointing. I now ride a Tubeless ready tyre, with tubeless ready wheelset and still use a tube. Sounds stupid, but works best for me.
Any specific reason why? I've set up tubeless on about a dozen of wheels and failed a few, but in general I'd say it's really worth it.
What I noticed is that it's difficult to do high pressure / narrow tire combos, like 25mm @ above 7-8 bar is a tricky thing to maintain without proper, tubeless compatible setup... I cna't imagine even trying 23mm at higher pressures...
@@wayslow how is it worth it, it isn't significantly better than a normal tube/tire combo and it's a mess when u do puncture. I use it on my mtb and gravel bike but it's just not worth it on a road, the little more comfort is nothing compared to the mess of installing and repairing! I use 30mm tires on my winter roadbike and punctured once in about 6000km and I do ride on about the worst roads and cobbles u can get.
Cornering makes it all worth it.
Wayslo for Roadbike, 25-28mm is pretty much the only sensible width, especially when having aero wheels. I am actually fine with the comfort of my bike, even for 3 hour + rides). All tubeless tires I‘ve had were just as susceptible to punctures on high pressure and held air pressure quite poorly (when going 100-120 psi, the lost quite a bit of air Even during one night). Clinchers with tubes held air 10-20 times longer.
@@rowanRobaggs no like I said before it felt exactly the same, maybe pro's can feel it but I can't!
First look? You guys don’t have the tire yet..
I have about >2000 km on my GP 5000 TL 25 and I think they have better feeling than the older GP4000. Better cornering and damping. Is Schwalbe supporting hookless rims. It looks like the hookless rims got a tighter fit to the tire. Got hookless on my MTB.
Erik Arnstrom I totally agree. Compliance so much better
Latex tubes and GP4000/5000 all the way. Perhaps road tubeless makes sense if you live somewhere that results in lots of punctures. For me however it just seems like unnecessary hassle.
Grigor Browning ditto
Nope. I had an old one not seal, then be almost impossible to get off the wheel. Actually, I had to CUT the tire off the wheel. I will never use Schwalbe Pro One again, regardless of how much they ‘improve’ them.
Yep, I've had one refuse to stay inflated (assume it had a faulty bead but couldn't see anything) and puncture sealing is 50/50, and fortunately had my glued tyre in the garage - half an hour by the side of the road with a friend unable to free s tyre to fit a tube from a failed seal was no fun. My original Gavia wore down to the canvas with some punctures that sealed fine. Don't know why I persevered with replacements. Will return to Gavia or try Contis.
My only question: how easy/hard is it to mount them on the rim on a roadside, if you happen to have a puncture which the sealant doesn't seal, and you need to get home with a tube?
Road Tubeless, bringing Tubulars to the mass market? :D
Tubeless are way more practical for the mass market / casual rider.
But can we get it on the rim???????????
This is a real threat to conti if it backs up its faster rolling claims. I’m put off by the 50g penalty over a pro one the gp5000 TL has.
When is gonna be available?
Schwalbe aren't going to keep us hangin' on any of the new tyres, with the first shipments arriving in the UK within a fortnight
Well this video turns out is a bunch of bullcrap. I just got a set of these last month and had to warranty them because they had a vibration that wasn't normal. Schwalbe sent me two new tires. I mounted them last week and today was my third ride on them. I hit something on the road, I felt it, but it didn't seem to much out of the ordinary for the roads I have to ride. About 100 yards down the road both front and back were flat. I had one CO2 cartridge that I shared between the tires and was able to ride very slowly about 4 or 5 miles to get back home. I pumped up the tires to 80 psi and sealant started spraying out of the punctures. The holes were in the sides and you can't patch that. The tires are toast. I could put tubes in them but then what is the point of spending the extra money for tubeless. It will probably be a month before I can buy another set of tires if I want to have tubeless. I don't think I will be buying these tires again.
Saying that this is the one reason to make road tubeless come of age is this tyre, that has not been tested yet, is kind of stupid.
Marc Davidson the Problems with tubeless is not how it rides for a 10k test ride. The problems occur when it comes to keeping air in the tyre at high pressure over several days and weeks. Another issue is maintenance and road side fixing. He mentioned little to nothing about that and that requires a longer ride.
ooooh FFS every time Jack. It is said Sh-val-buh rather than Sh-wol-bay
being german, i can assure you, that all versions are wrong ;) quite funny that this simple word makes so much trouble to native english speakers
@@Digi20 yeah I speak some German and when people say everything wrong it is so funny but frustrating 😂 how is it supposed to be said then?
@@alexfulton375 schwalbe, in german, starts with the the /sch/ from "hush", the /a/ is pronounced like in "dance" (that perfect british englisch a) and the /e/ at the end is like in "meh" :)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/De-Schwalbe.ogg there you go
Are tubeless road tires really faster than (high end) tube clincher or tubular tires? No - long they need sealant milk there is is no benefit with tl road tires... 24g tpu inner tubes from wolfpack tires are much more interesting news and if it come to race tires there are still tubular tires number one ..
The arrival of the new standard will probably be the tipping point that sees more people go tubeless. I've avoided the compatibility issue by choosing tyres an wheels from the same manufacturer - bontrager - as I knew they'd work together (having used them on my mountain bike, for years). This decision was made easier by the fact that I built my road bike from scratch, so I appreciate the fact that those of you with existing wheels aren't in the same position.
Overall, it's been a good experience
When's it coming out?
Schwalbe aren't going to keep us hangin' on any of the new tyres, with the first shipments arriving in the UK within a fortnight
@@danc1829 nice! now to find some rims that are compatible
gp5000 23 isnt tubeless btw
I don't get road-tubeless, I only puncture once in like 5000km on my roadbike and the comfort isn't that much different and when u puncture it's just a mess (and as I have seen on your Instagram u don't like it either!)!
Also only 5000km/tyre, are they kidding, there is no excuse that a roadtyre shouldn't have a lifespan of about 10k!
You don't ride in Denmark I guess 😂😂
@@adp1810 no in Belgium and I think our roads are ALOT worse than in Denmark so yeah I have every right to say it also I did try it and it felt no different.
@@KoenMiseur the problem in Denmark is not the roads it is that we have a lot of flint stone and it sharp 😬
So I bought schwalbe pro one tubeless easy tires and by mistake bought a tubular wheel thinking tubular was for tubeless tires 🙄 lol.. can I make it work?? PS I know a noob mistake
23mm outdated?? If you live in Spain and don't have to deal with british roads/weather, they're perfect
23mm front wheel is recently deemed more aero than 25mm.
I run 23s on my Colnago c50 as I don’t think 25 will work as the clearances are v tight. Anyway the ‘continental ‘ geometry of the colnago gives plenty of comfort already.....
@@francislai5270 That's exactly why I got the Pro Ones... I have a 23mm front tire on a DT Swiss ARC 62 wheel, and a 25mm rear tire on a DT Swiss ARC 80 wheel. Extremely aero on a road bike. Too bad they dropped the 23. Would have made sense on the TT version..
How much of these claims have been confirmed back to back??
This video sounds like it was filmed by Schwalbe with Schwalbe marketing staffs. Lol
Yeah but tan walls for all models right?!
sadle only for the "one" and "TT".
Disappointed that they seem stuck at a max size of 30mm. At least a 32 would have been nice.
Well it's still a race tyre. For a 30mm tire you will need at least a 32mm width tyre rim (and 60mm depth) to not ruin the aerodynamics.
Quite possible the 30mm will run wider than nominal size - On my rims (which are wider than most - ENVE 4.5ARs measuring 25mm internal) the old Schwalbe Pro Ones run at least 2mm wider than the nominal size
32 mm GP5000"s all the way!
Clickbate. They "FINALLY" came of age a couple of years ago :-D I like the G-one speed in a wider size.
Tan walls?!
Oh yeah baby
Forte Puncture Resistant tubes here at 265 grams each... fat old guy riding who would rather push heavy wheels than change a flat on the side of the road...
I'm a convert to tubeless for 3yrs now. Schwalbe were my tyres of choice, but the durability let them down a bit imo. I'm 68 to 70kg's so no heavyweight, but were only getting 2 to 2500km out of a rear. That's why I've recently been trying out a GP5000TL as although heavier at around 300g's their durability is meant to be much better. Their rolling resistance is also slightly faster. But what let those tyres down(GP5000's) were their extremely tight rim tolerances and difficulty mounting them to my TLR rims. However with these improvements will now have to give the new Schwalbes another try, as it seems they may have closed the gap opened up by the continentals. But we'll see.
They needed to wear better, the old ones were shocking.
I don't understand the fascination with tubeless. If you have enough liquid sealant in there to reliably seal a puncture, the sloshing of the liquid adds spinning resistance on the order of replacing your ball bearings with pebbles. To say nothing of the mess if the puncture doesn't seal. I tried tubeless and switched back to tubes for convenience, rolling efficiency, and surprisingly, safety.
dog chews wisely.
30% better puncture protection. So now it goes flat every two rides instead of every ride?... My girlfriend had 7 flats in 3000 km with the last version. I had none in 4000 with 17 euro conti's.... No thanks.
Mate before Marry? What would Jesus say??
Vittoria Rules...
"whatever they are actually called"... Come on, it's just Schwalbe, like the bird swallow in German. Google translate can read it for you ;P.
well, if you want to spend a boatload on tires that don't seat well and wobble - go for it.
Disappointed would be an understatement for me. Rubbish would be more like it.
Puncture city
I've had exactly 5 flats in 30 years or so of riding w tubes, so no thanks
You rode 1000km in those 30 years?
That's incredible. You should do a video on your secrets. I have that many every year with tubes!
You could have 0 flats for 80 years if you run tubeless
Track rider?
O flats in three years on New York City roads average 3000 miles a year on my Conti GP 4000. Just upgraded to GP5000 about 15% more compliance
Shooper shupple sh-wall--bee
Just binned a apir of TL Pro Ones: no-one (self and two pro mechanics) could get them to mount on a set os Stan's rims tubeless (other makes mounted fine). With tubes they would not sit evenly on the rims and were thus unusable. Never, ever again will I by Schwalbe or a bargain on the web.
I've found this tool will allow you to mount ANY tyre easily. www.sjscycles.co.uk/tools/koolstop-tyre-mate/?geoc=AU
@@richardggeorge I agree 100% - a real valuable item for the toolbox
(but getting the tire off the rim at the side of the road with my weak hands is a different story)!!
As they say, "tubes are for newbs".
Schwobble 😂
4-5k lifespan? Maybe if you're less than 70kg and riding on ideal tarmac...
Cup & Cone multi compound means the center tread will be harder and longer lasting than the shoulders. 2500 miles is pretty reasonable, I think. Especially if you run your pressures low enough to take advantage of the TL and are running wider rims.
@@404nobrakes Lower pressure will only wear the tire more evenly by increasing contact patch, but won't effect wear rate because lower pressure causes more deformation, thus more rolling abrasion. Multi-compound has existed for decades and many tires have them...Continental not using multi-compound is actually one of the benefits to their tires.
Please drop the jokes .
We hear you! More jokes incoming! Thanks, Jack
@@bikeradar I love you guys. You can do no wrong
I have to say I am not digging these tires. First thing I noticed was there is a difference in size between the previous Pro Ones and these new Pro Ones in the 25C at least. The newer models are a bit smaller which probably helps to back up the reduced weight claims made by Schwalbe. The difference in weight was only 20 grams. Mounting the tires was easy and they did pump up with just a regular tire pump, which is something I've never been able to accomplish without the Blaster before. Next is spin test. Mounted these tires cause a horrific unbalance and the bike bounces or rocks like a rocking chair when on the bike stand. Then watching the tires spin you can see how poorly out of round they are. You can actually watch the humps and bumps and it looks like the tires aren't seated right on the rim. I have good quality Boyd Carbon wheels so I know it ain't the wheels. Now for the worst review. For the ride test I tried different pressures and the only way these tires felt smooth was if I had 70 PSI or less. I pumped them up to 100 PSI and I was barreling down a long hill of some smooth new tarmac and the vibration was scary. I thought something was wrong with my bike. It was similar to a buzz vibration is the best way I can think of to explain it. I only have less than 200 miles on these tires and I got to say they are coming off my bike and I will put the used old set of tires back on until I can get something else. I want to try the Continental GP5000 Tubeless tires next and I certainly hope they are better. Schwalbe I'm sorry but these tires are a huge disappointment. If other people try these tires let me know your experience.
Creepy
Say after me, like the Germans do: "Schval-BUH'"not 'Schwal-BE' or 'Shwabble' or 'Shwalb' or some other ignorant mismangling of the syllables.