SANCO2 Product Introduction by Sunbelt Sales
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- SANCO2 Product introduction hosted by Tony Todd of Sunbelt sales, representative in the Carolina's, Georgia & Tennessee
Tony shows the features and benefits of the GS3-45HPA with his operational demo unit along with the unit noise level being quieter than the background noise
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Tony great demonstration. I learned some new things here. I was bummed that I couldn't get a Hybrid HP Water Heater because my tank sits in a closet which would make venting difficult if not impossible. The Sanco2 isn't cheap but the wife and I are likely going to install a PV solar array and we're contemplating battery backup and at only needing a 15 Amp circuit it's well under the range of most battery systems. Often it's advised that the Water Heater isn't part of the critical loads panel because they have 30 Amp circuits and power draw. The Sanco2 allows for grid down showers with no guilt. It's worth it to me.
This system seems ideal, but the cost is unjustifiably high in the U.S..
I just called Small Planet Supply (who handles distribution for the SanC02 in the United States), and was quoted $3,230 for the heat pump and $2,485 for an 80 gallon tank. so that's $5,715 before shipping or sales tax.
For comparison, the 80 gallon Rheem Proterra Hybrid heat pump water heater currently sells for $2218 at Home Depot, a price which is comparable to other "unitary" (heat pump mounted on tank) hybrid heat pump water heaters. So the SanCO2 is more than twice the cost ($3,497 higher) compared to other typical heat pump water heaters.
Even if you are assuming the SanCO2 is more reliable or less likely to fail than a unitary system, you could have your Rheem fail and completely replaced at your own cost and still have paid less for two systems than you would have paid for the single SanCO2. As a homeowner, it makes no financial sense to choose this system over the unitary systems. That's a shame because I'd love to move toward CO2 refrigerant systems.
I’m in agreement, perhaps the cost of this unit is prohibitive than the typical Rheem hybrid. I’m wanting to swap my propane h2o for a hybrid set-up ……. So I’m seeking best the best alternative system for my single family house.
@@1ronhall I just purchased the Rheem Proterra 80 gallon for our home in Los Angeles. Waiting on delivery now.
@@dgalvan123 awesome!! Please keep me posted and I wish you total happiness with your new purchase!!
I agree with you from a cost perspective. However, there are scenarios where it might still be beneficial (cost aside), such as a small dwelling where you cannot fit a large tank yet still need high capacity. This one lets you have higher temperature in the tank and higher btu capacity on the small tank. Further, in small dwellings where the utility space is near the living space there is no noise inside the dwelling.
Just a thought if it could sustain a hydronic floor heating system which I’ve asked in the comments here (I’d imagine it could because 170 degrees is way more than you need) this could be a stellar unit to use in cooler/cold climates during the winter off of solar. I wish I knew the numbers but only using 800watts I’ve got to think that’s not a enormous solar array?
I am pretty excited about this. The other heat pump water heaters (e.g. Rheem, etc) use 1kg or more of r134a or r410a refrigerant. 1 kilogram of these refrigerant has the same global warming potential as 1500 to 2000 kg of CO2. So, if that refrigerant leaks, it can potentially undo all the global warming that you prevented by getting an energy-efficient water heater. I am strongly considering a SanCO2 water heater, because it uses CO2 instead of r134a or r410a, so if the SanCO2 leaks someday, the global warming caused is pretty small.
The CO2 is actually in the outdoor compressor unit and according to John Miles, there has never been a breach of any system installed sing they were introduced in Japan. The great thing that sets this apart from mini-split units is you are not worried about releasing ANY GWP products as the there are no line sets that rely on flare fittings. That is the weak link in all of the regular types of Air source products. Factory sealed is the way to go! Being able to also use the heat for not only hot water, but also heating, give the Sanden flexibility. Being able to create heat at low temperatures is what we need up here. Sizing is not an issue for us. If our load is higher than a single unit can be expected to produce, simply add more units. They can be designed to work as backup or alternating if you do not have a high load. This gives the ability to have some heat, if for some reason one has a problem.
I have installed one in Kotzebue, Alaska. It has never had a problem and I witnessed it turn on at -35F. While the COP was 1.0 at that temperature, it was still making 140F heat. I also have one installed in Gunnison, Colorado at 8,000 feet above sea level. It works really well. In Alaska we also depend on back up heat, like a wood stove, but these units, when paired with alternative electrical production help save Thousands of dollars annually.
Don't be afraid of them in cold climates, Use your intuition and logic and you will find them to be extremely effective.
Mark D. Houston
The Comforts of Home, LLC
PHIUS Certified Rater and Net Zero Consultant
@@markhouston2822 Very nice. I think this will be my next water heater.
I would love to have a home heat pump (heating and air conditioning) based on the same CO2 refrigerant too. I haven't find anyone who sells that in the US though.
One space shuttle launch produced more GWP than venting ALL ac units in the world. This was taught in my hvac school in the 90's .
@@onthelake9554 This got me curious, so I started looking into it. Per the reference linked below, one space shuttle launch emits 443 metric tons of CO2. And it emits 1 metric ton of NOX, which has a GWP of 33, for a total of 476 metric tons of CO2 equivalent.
Now, how about air conditioners? There are 2 billion air conditioners in the world, per reference [2] below. The amount of refrigerant per air conditioner varies, e.g. 0.5 kg for a small portable unit, to 5 kg for a home central AC unit, to more for industrial units. To keep the math simple, let's just say each AC unit has 1 kg of refrigerant. Also, the type of refrigerant varies depending on the unit, but most of the common refrigerants have a GWP of at least 1000.
So, 2 billion * 1 * 1000 = 2 trillion kg, or 2 billion metric tons of CO2 equivalent.
To summarize, a space shuttle launch emits 476 tons of CO2 equivalent, and all air conditioners leaking would emit something like 2,000,000,000 tons of CO2 equivalent.
[1] everydayastronaut.com/rocket-pollution/
[2] www.statista.com/chart/14401/growing-demand-for-air-conditioning-and-energy/
@@ForrestIandola Great research ! I was an automotive mechanic at the time getting my refrigerant certification . He may have said all the car a/c units , not including homes others . We humans put out about 1.5 billion tons a year of CO2 from our breathing too so I guess we are worse than the shuttle .
Is this unit 110 volts or is it 220 volts which is uncapatable with low budget solar
Hi Tony.... The audio needs help here. Is it echo in the room ? Ppl will watch a so-so video if the sound quality is good, but will not water a quality video is the sound quality is poor. Moving right along now...... 😮
Gotta say, that one seems to be very quiet compared to the hybrid units.
Appreciate this informative video. Great tech. I wish it was a bit more in line with other water heaters in terms of price.
What is with the "Strict 1/2" water lines" to and from the heat pump unit. What problems with 3/4 line cause?
Can I install those heat pumps with storage tank inside a basement or it has to be install outdoor?😮
The SANCO2 Heat Pumps can be installed in the based as long at it is over 800 cuft (Length x Width x Height) in size because the GS Heat Pump will produce about 12,000 Btu/h of cooling effect to the basement so it should be of a size that does not become over cooled in the winter months although the cooling in the summer will be a nice effect
How often unit will turn on with little usage? How noisy is a heat pump? In hot climate, can heat pump be installed in garage? Is it possible to duct hot air from attic as air input?
The operation of the SANCO2 Heat Pump will be dependent on the Hot Water temperature that is installed in the midpoint of the storage Tank, when the Tank temperature is dropping below 113F or 45C then the SANCO2 Heat Pump will start to make Hot Water at 145/150F and a rate of 18 to 22 GPH so it will run between 1 to 3 hours to recover the Tank to being fully hot
The SANCO2 Heat Pump has a noise level of 37 Dba so it is extremely quiet and we have multiple installations in garages, one of which in FL we show on our ECO2waterheater website
The SANCO2 Heat Pump will operate from -25F to 114F or higher ambient and people like it for the garage installation because it will provide 12,000 Btu/h of cooling to that space
An attic installation of the SANCO2 Heat Pump would require some louvers for the air input from outside
Great looking unit, nicely engineered. An 18,000 BTU split mini heat pump unit that will both air condition and heat your home with an outside HP, and an indoor condenser/blower unit runs about $2,000. It will be interesting to see what these single-purpose (hot water) units actually sell for. Several sites said they would be available in the USA in "March or April" 2021, but I've not been able to find anyone who has any of the units actually for sale. (The 3rd Gen units are selling through because the 4th gen units are now being produced, so perhaps that is the reason? )
I just called Small Planet Supply yesterday and got pricing on the SanCO2 (Gen 4 I think). They quoted me $3,230 for the heat pump and $2,485 for an 80 gallon tank. So that's $5715 before shipping and taxes. Over twice the cost of hybrid heat pump "unitary" water heaters.
@@dgalvan123 from what I can tell the tank just a holding tank back to the past were the heater for hot water was separated from the tank my question is why is the tank for this unit so expensive they are basically a electric water heater without the elements and they are 500 or less
Is it possible to connect thermal solar panels to the outdoor unit to bust efficiency and store more energy in a tank during a day ?
Cool design, but I still prefer a retrofit heat pump that is indoors which provides cooling. In the winter, I can just bypass the heat pump and use my electric water heater as it was designed.
Oh no, I wouldn't bypass the heat pump in winter. Unless you use electric resistance heat. Rather, the heat taken out by the heat pump can be resupplied by your gas furance (or your heat pump/mini-split if that's how you heat your house). This would be much cheaper.
When can we expect heat pump for heating and cooling ?
Sir, Thanks for the question -
This type of Heating & Cooling CO2 or R32 units are available in the Global markets, especially Europe but will require significant testing and certification to become a North American product
Sorry but at the moment this will be a mid 2023 product at the shortest lead time possible
Where can I purchase this unit? I live in the Dallas, TX area and can not find anywhere that actually sells or installs. Any guidance is greatly appreciated.
Check out "Small Planet Supply"! We distribute these same units nationwide and would be happy to help! We can be reached at (360) 866-8779 , tell em Talon sent ya!
I use hot water & baseboards to heat my 2bedroom 900sqft home. Would this be strong enough to run everything? Heat, hot-water, etc, I live in Rhode Island, so it gets pretty cold. I know it would easily be enough for regular hot water use.
Thanks for the comment, the concern would be the capacity of this system vs the actual heat load required for the home. When used for Heating the home the unit can roughly only provide heat for a small area around 400 sqft in size, so unfortunately with the size of your home the SANCO2 system will probably be too small for the heating load required. Sorry we can't provide a simple system for your needs
Could the larger systems be used as “boiler” for a hydronic floor heat?
Not a clear sound !!!
$$$$$ ?
The list price for the SANCO2 system with a 43 Gallon Stainless Steel Tank is approx $5,300 and with the 83 Gallon Stainless Steel Tank about $400 more at $5,700
We are also about to start in 2022 a finance ability for customers to receive a loan on the purchase of the SANCO2 System
Hope this helps
John
There is also the installation cost that could vary significantly. While the product is extremely good and environmentally responsible, the upfront cost makes this similar to an HVAC project, unfortunately. I was seriously considering this option since my GE hybrid water heater has failed and is in full electric mode, but I can't afford it.
It is very pricey. I will be putting radiant heat in concrete floor of our home. I can get a condensing gas hot water heater for -$1000.00. But I will have to buy gas. That Saden unit is very impressive but 5 time the cost.
Terrible sound for a professional organization.
Most hot water heaters depend on stratification.... you lost me right there.