Marine Corps experiment tests women for combat duty
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2015
- The Defense Department has ordered each branch of the military to integrate their ground combat units by the end of the year, or explain why women cannot do the job. Only on “CBS This Morning,” Jan Crawford visits with a group of Marines testing the impact of men and women fighting side by side in what could help decide the future of women in war.
4 women it took to lift that dumby would have taken two or even 1 guy marine to lift in a combat situation. That's negative combat effectiveness
John Woodgate 100% correct
RedheadDevil Thanks for your service. I'm retired Navy. A Squid brother. lol
How much do these dummy's weigh? I know when we trained we just dragged each other. It's tiring as hell too. Good luck carrying a 90kg guy for 100m in intense heat.
chris ruddick Right. I don't think people understand how much stamina and strength it takes to drag a weighted dummy 12 to 36 times a year and pass a test. I was a firefighter and we trained with one every month. You have to always be training for it.
***** I'm just giving a reality check to people. I expect women if allowed in combat to do exactly what men are asked even if they have to do physically demanding tasks in the field.
It takes three of them to carry 170lbs... Lol.
TheOhfishes four
I thought the same thing... 170lbs is nothing... they should carry my wife and call me in the morning ...Buahahahaha
TheOhfishes / And that's just the average wait of the average Marine. Add to that full battle rattle, ammo, and rifle. At least another 50 lbs. So at least 220 lbs.
The average weight of a marine is 170lbs?? That's pretty light weight. I'd expect it to be around 190lbs.
LMAO that's exactly what i was looking at and laughing about
They should just make all female infantry battalions, train them and send them off to combat. See the casualties or issues and then go from there.
Like Kim Jung Un's pleasure squad in North Korea
The Marine Corps doesnt just go and send Marines off to combat for a fucking experiment. Male or female, they are all Marines. We are all brothers and sisters. You wouldnt place your brother or sister in front of crosshiars to see if its safe for you. Civilians dont understand
+Isaac Belkhodja no, but every other Marine think it's the dumbest shit ever. Even fucking Army Infantry thinks it's not a good idea. No one who has been in combat thinks it's a good idea
Isaac Belkhodja then you do in house combat training simulation. Give them a year of ground simulated combat and see the outcome.
I agree!!!
I hate when people say women have less upper body strength. They also have less lower body strength that's why all the records for squats are held by men.
How many squats can u do 🤣?
Can you carry wieghts with it as well ?
@@Ioannikios174 I would but I don't know him Nd probably live no where near him
Heather Gamez I could do what they do at 13 (which is around puberty if you catch my drift)
Heather Gamez how many squats can you do? Let’s see if you can compete with a man. Bet you won’t cause your just a lazy gamer
When I was in the Corps, when ever we had female Marines train with us, they were kept apart, and then when they found out that part of the training cycle would include going onto ship for 2 weeks and doing a mock invasion, every single female marine started to try to get pregnant so they would not have to go onto ship. This was back in the 90's. Over all...I think how women get more exceptance...is through more of a generational aspect. This new generation is being raised with a different mind set. But, keep in mind, the US Marine Corps has a specific mission, and it is much smaller than any other service. When I went into Somalia, among the very 1st unit into the country (2nd Battalion, 9th Marines---apart of the 15th MEU), we went a month without seeing any form of a real bath. Sleeping on dirty roof tops, in abandoned markets, being in fighting holes...no access to actual bathrooms. So when you civilians try to impose women into the fighting infantry of the US Marine Corps, keep in mind there are sever hardships that women are not use to doing. And hygiene for women is very different than for men. The mission must come first....not some social justice political achievement.
Then tie their tubes!
@@DrDeuteron that's what I'd comment from another video and the reply on it was a boy scout answer, unless the soldiers are emotionally dead a death of female soldiers in their platoon as you said would have a severe impact on the male soldiers psyche since its instinctive for men to be protective of their female counterparts.
@@DrDeuteron also the enemy if they spot a female will do everything they can to capture her cause they know females have the highest value we will give anything to get her back
@@davejones1064 💯 Truth😐
Stop lying! You've never been a Marine. I know your family mate. You work at Wal-Mart.
We women should focus on different aspect and not combat. We will just interfere the efficiency of the military.
Thank you
Oh ya... women want all the easy jobs. How bout if you female.... no active combat for thee.
@@theenglishmajor1198 Okay, why are you so butthurt about that, imagine if your mom work harder than your father.
@@katiesam1587 my father works harder than my mother.
I think that y’all would be good snipers
"You put a 100lbs on a woman she crumbles like a fucking crouton" 😂
Yet they did it in bootcamp for 5k, 8k, 10k, and 15k twice. Shut up
+Isaac Belkhodja yeah, and how many of them carried a M240 or your ass when you got schrapped by an IED; sorry not many chicks were there. Keep up the pc belief system though.
+TheCritter001 Cause no chicks were allowed to go there
try again.Wome are mighty.try pregnancy of 1 baby or triplets in one small hole.
lmfao
"it takes a special person, special drive, Special mindset, a special heart to do this"... yes, it also takes testosterone and muscle mass, which the vast majority of women do not have enough of.
Not all of them.
@@lianalyods2529 looks like someone doesn't understand what vast majority means....
@@lianalyods2529 "Vast majority - means almost all or something like 90% or more, but less than unanimous. Unanimous means (of an opinion, decision, or vote) held or carried by EVERYONE involved." Crazy how a quick google search could have saved you from having a woman moment.
@@lianalyods2529 Men have a lot more of testosterone than women and have a lot more of upper and lower strength, that is a fact, very few women match the average testosterone levels of a men
@Curb Teeth
Damn way to have a man moment lol
The irony
Here's what I think the Corps should do. This is speaking as a former USMC O311. Take female marines to SOI (School of Infantry) at Camp Giger NC after their ten day leave block from boot camp. Put them through everything that both myself and other riflemen had to go through: sleep deprivation, endless hours being cold and wet, being at times hungry while still having to lug around 90-100lbs, and let's not forget everyone's favorite... week long training sessions in the field without a shower. The only real breaks I recall from the physical demand was the classroom portions of the school. Ah yes, nothing like being drained physically and mentally while trying to stay awake in a class. Lastly, give them the hair cuts. Not to be mean, but to help in the on going battle against fleas and ticks, you're going to be in the field after, and that's where those blood suckers are.
Time for deployment, Iam pregnant can't go, sorry!
EStuder32 Anthony Wayne lmao, so true!!! Your comment should have more likes
Yeah I'd like to see you get pregnant and see you carry a baby in your stomach for 9 f****** months.
Heather Terrill you realise a majority of women soldiers get pregnant to avoid going on tours don’t you?
The sad part is some Women that are in the military actually do this, like, go out of their way to get pregnant coincidentally right before the unit deploys. Some have done it multiple times. “IDK what happened I guess it was just our time! We didn’t plan for this baby!” Blah blah blah, sure, now we’re short a body. Great. Let me cost the government more money and take time off from work to raise a kid that I only had to get out a deployment for 18 YEARS when all I had to do was gut it out for 9 MONTHS. You get a tax free pay increase for deploying and most females that deploy won’t be anywhere near fighting anyway! It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the math isn’t adding up.
@@heathergamez3821
You are a idiot
It’s not sexism it’s biology, when bugs attack they will be able to join. Would you like to know more?
Maybe we will start seeing women like diz where she can literally launch people by slamming them.
Yes want to know more about your baseless words
There are SO MANY different roles for women in the military. My mother was in intelligence work for 25 years and was given many important, high responsibility jobs. She is proof that women can be in the military, but for the love of God not in the infantry.
Right!
oh... aren't they cute with their makeup and helmets?
Why don't women have to shave their heads or keep their hair short? Why don't women have to sign up for the draft?
Jack Jameson but when they try to go into combat they get shit from everyone...
***** so why the hell are you complaining about the fucking draft? Keep your mouth shut if you're just gonna complain about something that you also won't let others compete at.
***** at least I'm not complaining about a problem that I want solved but won't let anyone solve.
Dicyple of God lol they can be drafted into other roles
Felix Infante well then tell the bastards that's complaining about it. I don't really care about it that much.
The Marine Corps PT test is the perfect analogy... Men have to pull their own weight (pull ups) while the women just have to hang there (arm hang). Lol
Truth
Yut yut
@Isabella Funk hanging there does sound horseshit. When I was in the women never hung there haha
@Isabella Funk not specifically sure about the pull ups. But the PT standards for women are different than the PT standards for men. They are not equal.
@Isabella Funk What are you implying, men and women are equal in strength?
If you are, let me tell you that you are wrong, men have 65% more upper body strength and 25% lower body strength
No just no
"we can carry the weight but can't keep up". That's called not carrying your weight.
i am all in for gender e quality. but please stop the bs about lowering the standard. no service member need to babysit other member load. or else it will not be combat effective.
I totally agree with you
Women think they're entitled to hit men or use them for money. They suck.
@Isabella Funk I hope you actually work out before entering the military cause you gotta be strong to pass male standards
Millions of dollar and months of research to know what we've known for 1000 of years!
we just grabbing at straws at this point
"Develop new standards for men and women..."
This doesn't sound good at face value.
It sounds extremely alarming. Our military is getting softer every year.
It isn’t good at in depth value either lol.
If these women were really serious about participating in combat roles, then STEP 1 - shave the hair.
Many of them do
if women want to be in combat arms then sure. just make sure that the physical requirements are the same as the males
It’s not about equality
It’s about combat effectiveness
This was tested 25 years ago and found the very same thing. Women, except for an very few aren't physically able to keep up over extended infantry operations and their bodies physiologically break down faster. Also, there's a mythical few who want to stay after getting into that level of physical job.
Agreed
Didn't Isreal prove this doesn't work awhile ago?
They did.
No. Israel initially did not allow women into combat bc they knew what would happen if they were captured.
Recently they have opened some combat units to women and i think so far the results have been positive.
There was an all female tank unit that famously killed many terrorists and had no casualties on october 7.
I think everyone knows that men have greater physical strength then women. The important question is, when does that specific discrepancy matter and when does it not.
I dont think its black and white. There are many women successfully serving in combat positions. I think its important to figure out exactly in which roles being female is too much of a risk due to decreased brute strength.
@justincase7848 drivers, pilots, support units... are generally fine, now infantry is where the physical limitations and emotional limitations catch up. Infantry is by far the most demanding and dangerous job in any military, high attrition rate, high stress on the body and mind... and that's just surface level, hygiene is a big thing people don't mention, you don't always have the luxury of a shower, you can be sitting in a trench for days, weeks and female gentalia is much more prone to infection, periods, all the symptoms that go along with it, less bone density and weaker ligaments that leave women much more prone to injury, especially when in a state of body overtraining which is the norm during war time deployment
Looking at the run with all that gear makes me die of laughter 😂😂😂
notice none of those females have a 249 or a 240.
I dont think they should lower the standards to join the marines, the enemy wont be easy on you...
4 women can barley pick up a 175 pound dummy with no body armor on or equipment, sad
AND no bullets flying by, no explosives going off around them, no bodies of their friends dropping left and right... have that and then carry the body. Totally agree
Professional sports.....are men and women equal?
The Militaries overall objective is to be as effective as possible with as few personnel as possible. When you incorporate even a single female you must increase your support role by 10 due to the different Medical and hygiene needs of women. The Armed Services should not serve as an incubator for social experiment.
Amazing you are the only one without a comment.
Honestly what would a man know. (Obviously assuming you are)
I was an Australian soldier from for 18 years, starting from 1969. What they are showing you is EASY compared to jungle warfare. In search and destroy ops you walk all day in the heat and humidity in the Jay up and down hills carrying your weapon, water, rations, ammo, spare radio batteries, claymore mines, grenades, sleeping gear, toiletries, heavy entrenching tool, half shelter and lots more such as flares, wire cutters etc etc. Dog tired at first light and last light you have to stand to. You need to dig your shell scape and take a turn of sentry duty. Maybe you have to go out and stay awake all night in some ambush position. Then you return and start the day all over again! There may be a woman who can do this, perhaps a butch lesbian type, but I've never yet met one.
There will certainly be some women who can do this, and not necessarily butch lesbian types. The point is, how much time, effort, money and pointless inconvenience do the authorities want to spend finding this tiny, tiny minority of women, and to what end?
Being a veteran I know that they cherry pick who goes in front of the camera and they threaten you not to say anything against their agenda.
I agree women should not do combat. It is for men. Let's keep out from danger and do some other things that we like. Leave it to the men. There are so many things we can do at spare time
needed 4 of you to lift one 174 pound guy. now what if you needed to carry him AND Continue to engage the targets? you couldn't because all 4 of you are struggling using both arms. a guy could fireman carry, jog, and still send rounds at the enemy.
get a girl that can carry a 180 lb man with a full gear load under fire. there you go. if you cant you shouldnt.
Pfffft women can do it even though it takes 3 of them to carry 170 lbs you know trios are the best right?
DON'T LOWER THE STANDARDS, if they can meet the standards, let'em in. If they can't, let'em go.
Agreed.
You're very true I actually agree with this man he is very on-point .
Thanks for the results!
They're MARINES not soldiers. Get this shit right people.
They're neither. They are misled women and are a joke.
Of course they ask a bunch of women if they think women can do the same job as men. Ask a group of men that question and see what they say 😂😂
They'll say the same, because they'll get in trouble if they say anything else.
Why the hell are we trying to put women into combat? Has his country lost its mind? Hopefully, Mad dog will set things straight. Geez.
Or do the pull ups as men do with the same score
I believe women should be in combat which they gotta be strong to do so, especially pass male standards which women can
@@reez4910 No they cannot pass at the same standards as men which is why the standards are lowered for females. I had a female cousin in the Marines. She ended up hating her time in there but even she admitted that women are a setback more than they’re beneficial. This will come to bite us in the behind when there’s a large scale war and our soldiers and marines aren’t fighting as effectively because people like you wanna make the military “woke”.
Four-Star Syndrome… Mad Dog’s no longer ‘sufficiently motivated’ to lead.
Ahhh, retirement, corporate boards, perks to last a lifetime. A socialist megaphone. Game over, cash in.
Hey, I say fine. But everybody must comply to one set of standards. Not a modified set of standards. There are no double standards when I comes to insurgence opposition. Same standards same expectations.
They're a lot less than "on average 30lbs lighter than male marines." She just said the avg marine (almost all males) is 174lbs. The avg 19-22 yr old female marine is NOT 144lbs. Try 124.
these male Corporals will go far in the corps , yes sir yes sir yes sir yes sir yes sir yes sir yes sir yes sir
6000 years of human history and this is some genius's idea they want to achieve 🤔🤣🤣🤣
Well women have actually fought in combat since ancient times
@@reez4910 where?
@@sebuhiqeribzade Mars
@@reez4910 🤣🤣🤣in Hollywood only bcoz of feminist propganda...mention any women in mongol army turk army arabs army ancient Greece army, roman army, ottoman army....hahahhaha
4 years later we are still footing the bills for their 100% disability.
Well women will need to understand just because they can stay tough threw training doesnt mean they'll keep together in real close combat, I dont want to be that sexist guy but I wouldn't be able to rely on women in war, sorry.
Well you shouldn't rely on anybody but your own self. Group effort is good it don't mean that you rely on that group to save you.you have to have the courage and strength to be able to accomplish something like this. Women and men, blacks and whites should be all equal.
Heather Gamez women render units combat ineffective. They’re a liability , coming from an actual infantry Marine.
@@heathergamez3821 this comment shows that you have never seen real combat
What was the time period of the experiment? Was this done only at 'Stumps'? This should have been done at Bridgeport during the Cold Winter package.
"i can't do my pft coz im on my period"
That's the day i started my paperwork for my retirement from the marines...
Pfft 😆 the fact it's even talked about is hilarious.
Anyone know the exact results from this specific training? I tried googling it but its very non-specific.
This my view on the situation. If a woman wants to go serve in the combat lines then let her have the opportunity to prove herself if she proves herself as capable as a male soldier then assign her to a combat unit like she wants. That way no one can’t complain about not having equal rights or the other side saying making undesirable work on the battlefield.
Honestly that seems like the best idea to me on acknowledging the situation. That way it don’t give neither side too much acknowledgement,
gunfighter having a female soldier is not a problem to me. But the main problem is the integration of male n female in unit which affect the combat effectiveness n changes in standards. For men, this also cause a "distraction" because you know bout male instincs towards women that will affect their focus on a mission, & men tend to protect women at all cost which cause casualties.
@farisian99 dang sounds like a man’s fault and his stupidity, doesn’t it?
Female Soldiers : Can they fight, yes, will they struggle at times more than a lot of men, yes... How is this a debate?
_"GODDAMNIT CARL, I TOLD HIS ASS TO STAY AT THE FOB"_
My wife sometimes cant even unscrew a coffee jar.
Lmao
A special medal and compensation should be paid to marines that die needlessly making room for "sisters" that cant cut it.
They're a few examples over history (mostly recent history as shooting a gun doesn't require much physical strength) were women have fought alongside men. However, these have been desperate situations when man power had been severely limited due to losses, like the Russians during the siege of Stalingrad. Israel's IDF have some mixed units largely due to its small population and many hostile borders, so they're desperate. Problem is the physical entrance standards have been dropped dramatically and injuries - resulting in dropouts - sustained by female recruits during training is near 50%! Obviously, women certainly have a role in the armed forces, but only in desperation for combat roles.
"Not necessarily for us " says it all.
Marine corps did the damn test, no women past the physical requirements, and nearly half of them were hurt during training. No women in general don't belong in combat roles.
Saw a similar study at Schofield Barracks in 1993. The women got crushed.
This is why we lose wars.
"Saw my brother die, don't want to see my sister go too"
Jonah Ruiz ARE YOU JEALOUS WITH SISTERS? 😤😤😤
@@ruchitabarve6617 enemy will gang raped female soldier before brutally killing her
@@ruchitabarve6617 ruclips.net/video/URGhMw1u7MM/видео.html
Lots of comments about that dude’s earring. I’m old. Was in the Corps from 66-69. Had a SSgt with an earring. Looked like a wedding ring around the earlobe. He said it was okay as long as nothing dangled from the ear.
@Bread And Circuses oh. FU.
Took 4 women to lift 174 lbs? you gotta be fcking kidding me
I personally don't think women should be able to fight
Why not? And i think you are that one who cant fight..
Oh when?
@@myfear3733 since the dawn of time
@@charliewood1680 Apply ice to burnt area.
Of course women aren’t going to be able to perform the physical duties as well as the men. But I do have a lot of respect for any woman who wants to go into combat. You have to be a brave chick to want to do that
They say it wrong only man have Been forced or asked to do the most dangerous jobs in the military. Not sure why women would want to do these jobs. So when do women have to sign up for selected services. Women haven't been excluded from combat they have been protected from it
"we're doing it for others who might want to do it." Tells you everything you need to know about this little experiment.
I'm 60. I can carry the weight too, for a short time. That's why 60 year olds don't fight like young men.
How about we figure out how to stop having wars.
And THAT'S WHY MEN ARE PAID MORE.
I know a woman that did the job. She lived when everyone else I knew died.
434 is that a marine with an ear piercing
yes, its shameful.
No its a called a key lode. Your skin bumps up after surgery and getting your ears pierced. Mostly found in African Americans. I had one and had to get it surgically removed.
"Do you think there are women who can be just as effective in infantry?"
Absolutely, there indeed are. But........
there aren't anywhere near enough of them to justify opening up this particular branch of service for all women
After the results of this experiment were published even the hard core feminists started to admit front line combat was a bad idea for women.
We are about to have the same experiment in the U.K. From December 2018 women can apply to train and serve in the S.A.S. the S.B.S. and the Royal Marines, and some other front line units which previously barred women.
In the U.K. the Army, the Royal Navy, and probably the Royal Air Force also, has struggled to attract enough new recruits in recent years, to take into account the natural wastage of older military personnel retiring, possibly earlier than is normally the case
So the Ministry of Defence has come up with this 'brainwave' of recruiting women to get them into front line units. I'm an ex-Royal Marine, so I shall be watching with interest.
I used to think the US marine corp was a challenge to get into but given how many females they now have I guess I should not have believed the hype. The day women manage to get into The Royal Marines and Navy seals however will be the day the UK and USA no longer have a military fit for deployment. Also the reason people are leaving the military is basically just because it sucks and there's no good tours to be had. It's not really any more complex than that in my opinion.
5:10 Standing with the weight and carrying the weight are to different things. So you can't do it properly over all. Props for serving your country, but war doesn't care about equality.
What happens when one of these women is captured during battle and taken as a POW? Continuously raped and abused only to give up information on our soldiers.
This is one of those things that have to be written in blood again before people understand it and sign corresponding laws.
the marine corp should be embarrassed for trying to allow this!
4:05. Copl Carl just like
*Aaaww Yeaaah Finally someone carries me with gentle and didn't toss me like potato sack*
If there was no difference we wouldn't be having to prove there is one. Drama 101. Hang in there🤣🤣🤣
And you also see that the society is f****** f***** up you know men think they roll everything and they actually don't you wait and see in the future women are going to become much more stronger than then men
@@heathergamez3821 wishful thinking
Serious question....
What do you think will happen to female troops if taken into captivity?
If it's not a third party country 50% sure human rights apply.
Sad to think like that tbh
The study concluded that 'mixed' units perform worse in, well, every single test.
Place them in the front lines and at least they’ll serve as meat shields ‘Soviet style’.
They can’t even pass a decent ball in woman’s soccer and still want Christiano Ronaldo’s pay 😏
I was carrying a box of plastic bottled drinks at the grocery store and the handle tore and dropped about a foot to the ground. The lady nearby gasped loudly like I’d just made a threat on the store. I’ve never heard a man do that for such a minor surprise. Women respond much more emotionally to shock than men. I saw my brother in law accidentally shoot a nail into his calf while we were framing. He calmly pulled it out and worked the whole rest of the day. The only thing I heard was a dammit.
I would’ve reacted the same way that lady did in the store, tbh.
But, not all women are the same, I guess? Some are tougher 🤷🏻♀️
If they can't pass the physical, they cannot be "Marines"...
To have that title requires so much physical and mental engagement.
It's not a fucking "participant trophy", it's supposed to be a fucking ELITE FORCE!
174lbs and 3 of to carry. Wtf? And people actually want someone like that watching your back? I don't know anymore.
1:41 they lying😂😂😂
Excllent, draft everybody! Men have been dying enough.
this isn't battlefield v smh
me: reads video title and watches video
me: ah yes the floor is made out of floor
I am a 5'6, I know guys 30lbs less and inches shorter than me that also keep up.
Fun fact, scientifically, Ken are 30 percent stronger than woman on average.
Lol that training they did was easy. If they struggle they will be struggling forever.
Yes, we need more experiments in an effort to find out something we’ve known since the dawn of man
As long as the rules and standards stay the same.
Yes I totally agree as a female they should not lower the standards because that is just wrong
They want equality...so same rules same standards
it would take a special one of a kind woman to do this type of job. not that they don't exist, but far and few between. the standards should NOT be lowered either. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Men could fail as well in helping their dead or injured comrades, I'm just not convinced yet that females belong in these type of situations. Convince me, then I will be an avid believer....
I was reading that the standards were not lowered at all and yes you are right it takes courage 2 do something like this, it's incredible.
@@heathergamez3821 you have a lot of delusional opinions
I'm on for gender equally but war is different ok let's focus on how efficient the troops are not political correctness
Just give them exactly the same physical tests if you pass the tests welcome in the marine corps regardless of gender
That captain American chin makes me feel safe