PSA Cards Bring 3x Value Of CGC? | Interesting Way To Detect Counterfeits | & More Sports Card News!
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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In today's Clearing The Bases, I cover an example of a PSA card selling for 3x what it sold for in a CGC holder, an interesting way to detect counterfeit sports cards, an update on the alleged thief who stole $2 million in sports cards, and more sports card, memorabilia, and collectibles news!
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Would you rather have a CGC 10 at 1/3 the price of a PSA 10 for your personal collection?
Yes
Considering I'm cracking that sucker and sending it to PSA if it's something I'm flipping? YOU BETCHA!! CGC even with comics,has a lot of...doubters...right now,as their grading standard has been announced,by them, to have eased up.
9.8 has been the big guns
9.9.and 10 were rare.. very rare.
Now,they're coming back far too often.
PC, I'm still crackin it...gotta match.
Duh!
The Jackson Holliday Fun Face card would be cool to have, but I’d rather spend that money on a Caitlyn Clark auto!
I went to school for design and signage and one thing that was very tricky was finding an accurate date for type and fonts. In many cases a font can be a good way to pinpoint the era in which a sign or a card in this case, was issued. Art Neveau and many Art Deco and Mid-Century Modern designs are in our vintage cards and easy to spot, but finding the name, person or foundry and date isnt so easy. However, many fonts have been redesigned or it's a new design made to look old and can confuse even professional designers.
I totally agree with the price comparison between PSA and CSG/CGC. My graded collection is 99.9% CSG/CGC and with the price disparity, it is great to buy CGC cards, but you sure do take it on the chin when it comes time to sell.
That Chesterfield piece is amazing and originated from super collector Barry Halper. I went to the Sothebys auction in NYC im 1999 and came home empty handed (that live auction brought in over 20 million) with insane prices and was able to pick up items at a reduced price after including items belonging to Cy Young. My father also passed on his love of collecting to me and created this collecting monster.
Nice!
Hi Mike. I would take the CGC card any day. I like that Chesterfield piece, pretty awesome autographs and comments on that. Take care and Happy Father's day.
Thanks Jim. Same to you!
Happy Father’s Day! I would definitely buy one of the Jackson Holliday SSP cards, but not at that price. I’m a fan of Holliday’s dad Matt who I watched play for the Rockies. And, I love the 89 Fleer Billy Ripken card. Gimmicks are fun.
Thinking about crossing over a couple of CSG cards if they’re going to sell more as a PSA. They are for sale, and not really part of my collection.
That’s the way to do it
I bought a handful of Beckett slabbed and signed tickets recently (had no Beckett before). They were probably 30% of what I would have expected their value to be. Go chase the value when it’s there and you know it’s authentic.
Exactly
Why would anybody pay 3x as much money for a card? Just because people tell you PSA is better? What are the standards that separate the different grading companies? Just because people are overspending for PSA cards doesn’t make them the best.
Exactly
right psa has done nothing to move this hobby forward
PSA is the worst grading company there is. I stopped grading a few years ago after they charged me for a card they refused to grade. Grading is NOT a necessity. It's just a cash grab. I can buy more cards with the money I save in grading fees.
Grading cards or anything is a hobby killer. It's a ripoff & a fu*king scam!
But so is using ebay as a price guide.
In 1987 the idea of grading cards was coming into vogue. I was just starting to collect again and a long time collector told me he believes that grading will ruin collecting of cards.
Timing of that Wolverine card is a coincidence for me. Pulled it in 1990 and it’s in fantastic condition (Centering and corners are solid). I had no idea a PSA 10 was worth that much. Finally, I sent mine out to PSA in early May and it’s in grading status. After realizing the value, I should have taken pictures of it. I hope somehow they don’t do a switch out on it?
Another great CtB, Mike. 👍
The highlights, for me, were the Chamberlain jersey and that Chesterfield cigarette advertising piece with some great inscriptions (albeit personalised).
Thanks John!
I love the callback to the '89 Fleer Ripken. Gimmick, maybe. But just such a cool idea!
Agreed
Flow lines: Free reholdering is too retroactive in my opinion, and not really the best way to solve this issue. Here’s the thing. It seems like a small % of each order is affected. So here’s my suggestion: While they are “looking into it” and finding a fix, just update the “QA Check” phase to re-encapsulate any affected slabs before shipping out. I mean, not to sound blunt, but do your job. A QA inspector is hired to catch/correct quality issues during inspections. It has to be minimal material cost on their end, for ultimately happier customers. In fact, I just tried an experiment: I have an order with PSA currently, and I just used their QA customer service request form to preemptively make this request. The form is normally for once you have your slab in hand and see an issue. So I just included a certification number (they ask for this) from one of the cards in the order I mentioned, and a picture (they ask for this) of a basic flow line image I found so they know what I mean. We’ll see how/if they respond.
Please let me know!
It’s like Name brand vs store brand? Coca Cola vs Kroger store brand. One has name recognition and history. Kinda how I view the grading and all that. It is ridiculous though ;)
*side note, just pulled an interesting blue women in baseball SSP out of a series 2 hanger!…. Hangers continuing to bang!! Cheers and thanks!
Great pull! Who was it?
@@JunkWaxHero Rachel Folden w the Cubbies throwing BP. Thought it was a a Fathers Day parallel but the blue was a tad darker. Good inserts may be easier w less base printed. 😎
@@sidezskateshop1556 nice!
Considering I collect just to collect and I don’t give resale even a thought. I’ve got cards grade from all different companies. Still haven’t ever sent a card in for grading myself
Smart way to collect
I e got that Chesterfield ad. It’s isn’t signed through
Me and my late stepdad bought probably 70-75 boxes of 89 fleer JUST chasing the Billy Ripken, first the FFACE,then the black,white box and scratched off versions...and of course, Ken Griffey jr. Needless to say...he had a LOTTA GRIFFEY RCs when he exited the mortal coil this past October!! We were 20 minutes out of Baltimore after living in the city for a number of years...Brooks Robinson and Jim Palmer were always signing free autos at some gas station opening other such businesses that paid em a small fortune, Billy followed suit one off season, with a twist. Remember it vividly cause I was P*SSED!! He'd sign a ball...but not YOUR ball..it was a freakin RUBBER DOG TOY basically!! Looked like a grey baseball kinda, felt very very rubbery and cheap. Cards were bring yer own.
Preface: My stepdad was freakin HUGE...6'5, 275-280..huge beard...man was a bonafide,wore his colors bada** biker.
I handed Billy the 89 fleer FFACE.
He gave me a look and ripped it in half. Zero words. No "I'm not signing that kid" or "Haha... aren't you a bit young for that language" Even "I can sign this for ya" and anything,any old card or random team schedule.
Nope.
Thumbed to the right telling me to move.
Paul was 5 people behind me...for about 2 seconds.
When I tell you that guy's soul left his body momentarily I mean it. All color drained from his face, he looked ill.😂
But Paul was a very very kind man...he softly asked him why he would do that to a kid. (15, just kinda small) Yammer,Stammer gulp and awawawa....he signed 2 for Paul.
Then put a Lil hand written thing up about not signing that card.
Cal jr,Sr were always so gracious...Billy? We never saw again. Cal is in Vincennes Indiana on occasion for Ripken league stuff...I always jump over to say hi...I had his old locker in High school in Aberdeen.
....I miss chasing cards with Paul. He was such a good man....and he passed with one hell of a collection of personal Brooks Robinson items along with his mountain of mainly junk wax. Happy father's day,Paul....wherever you are in the ever expanding universe...I love ya man.
Sounds like some great memories
What a great story. Thanks for sharing. And Billy Ripken was a f face for a reason it sounds. He's a nobody. Paul was the real deal.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC We had never experienced anyone so self entitled. And I was a bold kid 😂...Walked up on Canseco right after 40/40...8x10 and sharpie in hand thrust forward. Got a look...then the turn..gave him the "WOW...and I thought you were the greatest..." 😆😂 He signed it.
@@JunkWaxHero He got me into cards, then grandma sent me all my uncles cards from Illinois..55-69 Topps everything you can imagine. ONLY damaged card was 68 Ryan/Koosman. Big ink + on the back.
But every star from all the regular sets plus red backs,blue backs deckled edge, some dogfood stuff, and doubles of every Aaron,Mays and Clemente. Multiple Mantles...and yes,like a dumb kid,I sold every last card...still kills me.
@@bobtrottier8178 oof
Great chesterfield ad ..
That cigarette ad... the autos... fantastic!... and how exactly do they photo match a basketball tanktop?..
Stains, stitching, etc
Love Barry’s Chesterfield Ad. 😂
Unfortunately, the majority of the resale market wants psa. It will take cgc years to make up any ground short or them buying psa and closing it (obviously won’t happen). Think of all the collectors that have used psa over the years. That stronghold is tough to break.
The eBay sales weren’t real sales. You can see the top 2 comps are just relisted “sales” on the same day for same listing. It is still listed up
Happy Father’s Day Mike!
Same to you, Ron!
You should look into that "Barry guy". He had what was considered the best baseball collection in the world outside the Hall of Fame. It was so vast that when he sold it they published the auction catalog to the regular book market. The Hall of Fame spent big money on a part of his collection and even made a permanent display wing for it. Then it was discovered that a ton of his stuff was fake. And he knew the stuff was fake, but had half convinced himself that it was all real.
Barry Halper! Yeah I’m familiar. Not sure where I wasn’t aware of who he was.
This is why people crack other slabs and send them to PSA to get graded its an easy way to make the card worth 2x or 3x if they get PSA 10
100% agree with you when you say "Just because it's not for me, doesn't mean it's dumb." And that statement carries across nearly everything in life be it collecting whatever you collect, music taste, sports. food, etc..
It's always amazing to me how quickly some people are to claim something is dumb because they don't like it, appreciate it, or understand it.
And Happy Father's Day to you Mike and everyone else here who is a Father! God Bless and enjoy the day!
I would add I hope if Mark Green fails to pay back the money he stole as a city employee that he does get jail time. To steal that amount from your employer should include jail time. Ridiculous he isn't incarcerated considering the amount of money he stole or mis-used.
Thanks Danny! Same to you
Generally (and i mean just Generally) the younger crowds just know psa is worth more, so the circle keeps completing...i only grade and not with psa, when i buy a Raw card that i absolutely know will be worth more graded...i find deals on Raw and resale for a still fair price...yes i make less, but in this case it's made up with in volume... obviously there are older adults that sadly buy the grade & not the card...just because something is labled a 9 doesnt always (a lot actually) mean its a 9.
Oh Geez… where are my boxes of this Marvel stuff! I bet I have that Wolverine card😂🎉
Only good thing with cgc is you get the correct grade ,with psa the same card could be graded from a 4 to 9 you just don't know ,the gap isn't a big if you look at vintage a cgc 3 and a psa 3 of a 55 Aaron was only $30 dollars apart and the cgc card looked better
Hope you like clipped cards. No one but TAG is doing an admirable job of detecting trimming.
Happy Father’s Day to all!
You too, Mikey!
Happy Father’s Day. It’s my first Father’s Day ❤️🙌🏼
Congrats! Happy Father’s Day!
Well... HAPPY FATHERS DAY!!
you do know about the "club fee" right?
@@bobtrottier8178 no?
@@JunkWaxHero shhhhh.... he's KNEW.... 😂
Cgc/bgs/ sgc buyers are mostly collectors. The psa buyers are mostly investors. That's true value vs perceived value. Psa has been majorly screwing up lately and hopefully that'll finally impact the disparity. Both sgc and cgc grade more consistently and accurately but the idiots that invest haven't quite figured that out yet for most cards.
There's no folding or cracking on the font either
Ripping a box of 89 Fleer trying to pull a Ripken while I watch
Good luck!
Oh Geez… where are my boxes of this Marvel stuff! I bet I have that Wolverine card😂🎉. The Fun Face Card…exploiting noobies with no impulse control… shame… hopefully Topps only printed 1k of these.
How well do you remember the holograms though? I had these myself...the centering is ALWAYS absolutely horrid! Best of luck if you have it,any of them,in high grade..big $$.
Some of the regular cards are too.
@@bobtrottier8178 we’ll see.👍😎 I have so many of the 800-1000 count boxes. Stacked like cord wood , and only some are marked as to what’s inside. 😖.
Oh please, the Holliday card is so dumb
Who wouldn't want to buy Tom Brady's pants to wear them around the house on Sundays?
I realy think yuo should ask instead if people are willing to remove that psa tramp stamp lol from there backs to replace it with another different the majority cant for the value if anything i would rather have it in a tag case just for the looks I dont grade cards never have don't need anybody to tell me how good my card look just my opinion from a long time collector
Jackson is left handed
Yes good point but to match the original I still think it would be better the other way
@JunkWaxHero I think that would take away from jackson though. I think a tribute can still be true the player participating in it
@@BigRedOne1978 fair
Neo is a PSA shill. I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says regarding another grading company.
I disagree with Mangnnarini. The Jackson Profur card is dumb. He won't even be as good as Billy and won't be remembered in 5 years. I would trade even one I had. Much like I did with the Ripken in 89. I sold 5 of them for 500 and the other 2 I traded for a Koufax rookie and a banks rookie that later graded PSA 6. Nothing has changed in my approach since 1971 and it's served me well. But...collect what you like. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😬🤪🤪