Intertainig, informative, and to the point. I have had my doubts due to lack of MMX. Yeah, "it's now safe to shut WinXP" never thought it existed, I had though it was Win95-era :)
I always enjoy a good installation video! And its indeed been so long since I last saw that its safe to turn your computer off screen that I forgot it even existed. On my Thin Client with the XP version I use it can easily take an hour or longer, so this isn't that bad. But my XP version is also very slow to install in general even on my Athlon 64. Its a very rare edition of Media Center that still lets you join domains. For the people who want such a thing, find the Dell OEM version of media center. The oldest one you can find, I think its the 2002 version. This is effectively Windows XP Professional and depending on the cd-key it does or doesn't install the media center. But thats also all your getting, not all the plus features, just a media center. Then you slipstream the unofficial SP4, which turns it into an up to date Media Center 2005. But becasue of its XP Professional origin, the domain joining does not get blocked like in the later editions.
Excellent! Henk, I think I am going to declare you the king of operating system customization! I have that version of Media Center around here somewhere too.
Hi All Another great video With the Toshiba Pentium M and D laptops that i have and the Pentium 4, i actually have 3 different WinXP Cd's SP1, SP2,SP3, i noticed your are a little bit low on ram ( 512k ?? ) SP! runs ok with 512k, but the sp2 and SP3 will install and run but they like 1G or 1.5G ram better, especially with a browser or media player open 512k ram will see it using virtual memory on the hard drive all day, plus the resources will be 50/70% with just those apps running Win200 or even better Server 2003 should work OK on it Strange with the 3com card as the older 3C509 were rock solid work horses on novell, but by this stage in XP i was using PCI based intel pro 100 or compatible card from realtek or dlink Regards George
Hi All I seem to recall almost all of the OS from win 3.1 to XP always take close to a hour :) to install Win legacy was more plug and pray rather than plug and play - especially for win 95-98, i found the best way was to remove all the add on card and install the base system. The after a few successful reboots and no error add 1 card eg video, then install drivers then repeat the trouble shooting until it restarts with no errors in device manager Then go on to next card eg network or sound then repeat Faster drives are offset by the more data to read / uncompres and write
Great troubleshooting with that MP/NIC incompatibility. Honestly kinda surprised to learn that a MS provided driver like that (which we’d assume has undergone their testing) wouldn’t be compatible with SMP.
Spot on! Was talking with someone about that just now, and they are thinking that there may be a BIOS setting to fix that as well, but changing to SMP definitely fixed it too!!
Hey Chris, question if you don't mind... With BootIT Boot Manager... If I create a DOS6.22/Win3.1 partition and a Windows 98SE partition, once booted can they see each other if I make them both FAT16? I like using Windows 98 to copy data from disks to my DOS/Win31 partition - and I wanted to create a FAT16 Data Partition as well for backups and such - so I'd want all partitions to be able to see it... Is it possible? Thanks! :)
It sure is! If you use a BootIt EMBR (which I recommend) you can hide and show partitions to different operation systems at will! The only thing to watch is that space that is reported as "free space" might.. not... be... free if you have a partition hidden from another OS!! As such, I recommend only creating partitions within BootIT for the greatest safety.
Good question! I've since heard that there may be a BIOS setting to clear it up. Haven't tried other variants of the card other than what I have in the video there!
I'm still having a hard time thinking that Windows XP is now retro tech. On one hand, I know it's old, on the other hand, it feels like it was just yesterday I was using it at work. 😬
I'm with ya on that, I 100% agree. To me, this video is more along the lines of "can I run a more modern OS on an older system," since I don't consider XP to be retro tech either!!
In 2002, I repaired a dual pentium 2 pc. It was a government disposed pc. That was first time I see a dual physical cpu on single board. But it used win98. Something went wrong because not optimally configured.
Now I'm curious if you could get Windows 7 on that thing with something like tiny7. Yeah it'd be stripped down but I doubt the old pentium pro would be too happy with stock Windows 7 anyway. Even if there are 2 of them.
Hmm.. oddly, the Pentium Pro won't boot tiny7... yet a VM will boot the ISO! I tried burning the ISO to both a DVD and CD, and also tested other bootable discs on the Pentium Pro. We might be out of luck here, this is extremely odd.
@@RetroTechChris Lovely vidéo btw. Don't you think all the updates up to April 2014 would have helped? XP went through many performances upgrades but as well new feature additions that could have slowed it on low end/obsolete hardware
Nice one Chris, well done..interesting..I enjoyed it 🤓
Hey there! Great to hear from you. Glad you enjoyed it. Happy New Year!
I didn't even know that XP shutdown message existed, it makes sense that it has to though. Really great video!
Thank you!
Great fun Chris!
Thank you, Ted!! As always, great to hear from you.
Very cool to see WinXP on a dual PPro!
I agree! This was a fun one to do.
More windows Xp videos chris? maybe a touch of windows 2000 and a bit of server counter parts
We'll see! You know the backstory here :)
@@RetroTechChris yeah, be nice to see more later OS videos and related projects.
Intertainig, informative, and to the point.
I have had my doubts due to lack of MMX.
Yeah, "it's now safe to shut WinXP" never thought it existed, I had though it was Win95-era :)
Thank you for the feedback! Yea, I hadn't seen that screen past the Win95 era either before this. Thanks for watching!
I always enjoy a good installation video! And its indeed been so long since I last saw that its safe to turn your computer off screen that I forgot it even existed.
On my Thin Client with the XP version I use it can easily take an hour or longer, so this isn't that bad. But my XP version is also very slow to install in general even on my Athlon 64. Its a very rare edition of Media Center that still lets you join domains. For the people who want such a thing, find the Dell OEM version of media center. The oldest one you can find, I think its the 2002 version. This is effectively Windows XP Professional and depending on the cd-key it does or doesn't install the media center. But thats also all your getting, not all the plus features, just a media center. Then you slipstream the unofficial SP4, which turns it into an up to date Media Center 2005. But becasue of its XP Professional origin, the domain joining does not get blocked like in the later editions.
Excellent! Henk, I think I am going to declare you the king of operating system customization! I have that version of Media Center around here somewhere too.
Nice video! I recently got some adapters to put a SSD in a old Dell Dimension B110.
Hi All
Another great video
With the Toshiba Pentium M and D laptops that i have and the Pentium 4, i actually have 3 different WinXP Cd's
SP1, SP2,SP3, i noticed your are a little bit low on ram ( 512k ?? )
SP! runs ok with 512k, but the sp2 and SP3 will install and run but they like 1G or 1.5G ram better, especially with a browser or media player open 512k ram will see it using virtual memory on the hard drive all day, plus the resources will be 50/70% with just those apps running
Win200 or even better Server 2003 should work OK on it
Strange with the 3com card as the older 3C509 were rock solid work horses on novell, but by this stage in XP i was using PCI based intel pro 100 or compatible card from realtek or dlink
Regards
George
Hey George! Yea, the memory on this system is definitely low... high for the time period, but low. This motherboard maxes out at 512MB.
5:29 you can press asterisk to expand all of them at once instead of clicking every single one.
Thanks for the tip!
Hi All
I seem to recall almost all of the OS from win 3.1 to XP always take close to a hour :) to install
Win legacy was more plug and pray rather than plug and play - especially for win 95-98, i found the best way was to remove all the add on card and install the base system.
The after a few successful reboots and no error add 1 card eg video, then install drivers then repeat the trouble shooting until it restarts with no errors in device manager
Then go on to next card eg network or sound then repeat
Faster drives are offset by the more data to read / uncompres and write
Sounds in the ballpark if installing on a machine from the time period!
Great troubleshooting with that MP/NIC incompatibility. Honestly kinda surprised to learn that a MS provided driver like that (which we’d assume has undergone their testing) wouldn’t be compatible with SMP.
Spot on! Was talking with someone about that just now, and they are thinking that there may be a BIOS setting to fix that as well, but changing to SMP definitely fixed it too!!
Will you be showing us how you installed TDL in dos over the lan? I watched the new video which shows how to setup a shared folder . Thanks
I'm guessing probably not. Planning to go on hiatus here for a bit
Also what's TDL?
@@RetroTechChris total dos launcher over lan
@@CSIG1001 ah, I never installed that.
Hey Chris, question if you don't mind... With BootIT Boot Manager... If I create a DOS6.22/Win3.1 partition and a Windows 98SE partition, once booted can they see each other if I make them both FAT16? I like using Windows 98 to copy data from disks to my DOS/Win31 partition - and I wanted to create a FAT16 Data Partition as well for backups and such - so I'd want all partitions to be able to see it... Is it possible? Thanks! :)
It sure is! If you use a BootIt EMBR (which I recommend) you can hide and show partitions to different operation systems at will! The only thing to watch is that space that is reported as "free space" might.. not... be... free if you have a partition hidden from another OS!! As such, I recommend only creating partitions within BootIT for the greatest safety.
@@RetroTechChris Amazing! Thank you!!!
@@rexfizzle anytime, my friend!
That's incredibly interesting about the network card. Does that bug exist in the 3C905B-TX or 3C905C-TX?
Good question! I've since heard that there may be a BIOS setting to clear it up. Haven't tried other variants of the card other than what I have in the video there!
I'm still having a hard time thinking that Windows XP is now retro tech. On one hand, I know it's old, on the other hand, it feels like it was just yesterday I was using it at work. 😬
I'm with ya on that, I 100% agree. To me, this video is more along the lines of "can I run a more modern OS on an older system," since I don't consider XP to be retro tech either!!
@@RetroTechChris Thank you! I get a bit dizzy when people consider WinXP retro. :)
In 2002, I repaired a dual pentium 2 pc. It was a government disposed pc. That was first time I see a dual physical cpu on single board. But it used win98. Something went wrong because not optimally configured.
Yea, agreed. That system wasn't used to its fullest capacity running Win9x.
@@RetroTechChris i think it was originally installed with winNT for government application. Then the new user reinstall with win98.
@@IkanGelamaKuning AHA! That would explain it. That second processor got a permanent vacation 😄😄
Now I'm curious if you could get Windows 7 on that thing with something like tiny7. Yeah it'd be stripped down but I doubt the old pentium pro would be too happy with stock Windows 7 anyway. Even if there are 2 of them.
Haha, it sounds like there is some interest in this, I think I will give it a go!
Hmm.. oddly, the Pentium Pro won't boot tiny7... yet a VM will boot the ISO! I tried burning the ISO to both a DVD and CD, and also tested other bootable discs on the Pentium Pro. We might be out of luck here, this is extremely odd.
As this is not an ACPI system you can't natively boot Vista or later.
@@eDoc2020 oh, interesting!
so this is unpatched SP2 XP right? You hadn't installed any update prior to testing?
That is correct!
@@RetroTechChris Lovely vidéo btw. Don't you think all the updates up to April 2014 would have helped? XP went through many performances upgrades but as well new feature additions that could have slowed it on low end/obsolete hardware
@@juggernaut6832 quite possibly! Suppose I could install the Windows XP Service Pack 4 Unofficial and see what we get?
@@RetroTechChris Yep. SP3 first and then the SP4 should update the system fully. Always best to use the most updated version of an OS
looking at it, yeah, a no service pack 2. If chris had, the splash screen would lose the windows XP professional