The True Meaning of the Raven | The Fall of the House of Usher

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2023
  • HAPPY HALLOWSCREE! Today, we will be taking a look at the role of Verna, or the Raven, in Mike Flanagan's adaptation of the Fall of the House of Usher. We'll be discussing all the good stuff--death, the devil, seven deadly sins and of course, the scariest thing of all: the consequences of our own actions.
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Комментарии • 52

  • @SM-BSW
    @SM-BSW 8 месяцев назад +36

    TBH I love that the full nature of Verna aka Raven remains ambiguous. She's otherworldly but never explained, and i think that's more satisfying from a storytelling perspective.

  • @mehwhatever9726
    @mehwhatever9726 8 месяцев назад +35

    Bat in a raven costume ;-P
    The animal mascots are adorably well drawn, shout-out to the artist.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  8 месяцев назад +7

      The Raccoon did an amazing job with this one! Thanks so much for the kind words.

  • @SM-BSW
    @SM-BSW 8 месяцев назад +14

    I think comparing the characters to their counterparts in Poe's lore is more interesting than by the deadly sins.
    There are so many cool ways that the show reinterprets and contextualizes poe's works. Because that's where the brilliance of the show shines through.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  6 месяцев назад +1

      I think you're right--I think someone with a more full appreciation for his body of work probably saw parallels I missed!

  • @morganleanderblake678
    @morganleanderblake678 8 месяцев назад +36

    I read the siblings super differently sin wise. Prospero: Lust, Napoleon: Gluttony, Camille: Envy, Vic: Pride, Tammerlane: Sloth, Frederick: Wrath, and the twins: Greed.

    • @SM-BSW
      @SM-BSW 8 месяцев назад +3

      Also, they key to prominent characters in Poe's work.

    • @absolootlynot
      @absolootlynot 8 месяцев назад +15

      I switched Vic and Tammy. Sloth for Vic, her whole thing was that she basically did nothing, she was riding on her gfs coat tails, and everything about her story circled around her inaction. Tammy is just Pride personified. She got off watching her husband pretend other women were her, her house literally covered in mirrors, which were her downfall 💖

    • @averystewart3117
      @averystewart3117 8 месяцев назад +1

      This analysis is spot on, but it’s important to remember that each of their sins only changed how death came to greet them… Their death was inevitable their choices under usher influence, and the sins they automatically embodied, led them to their own personal hells

    • @absolootlynot
      @absolootlynot 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@averystewart3117 Yeah I completely agree. Verna also pointedly gave each of them chance to walk away from their awful ends, everyone except Frederick, who was particularly irredeemable. Power corrupted them all, but the children were always going to be fodder for Roderick and Madeline's choices. Brutal my guy

    • @AlashiaTuol
      @AlashiaTuol 7 месяцев назад +1

      I don't see them as representing different classical sins, but as each dying from a flaw they learned or acquired from Roderick. The choices that get them killed directly call back to choices Roderick made, for which he himself didn't suffer the consequences.

  • @eleosde7045
    @eleosde7045 8 месяцев назад +8

    She does explain she isnt the devil and seems to scoff at the idea. Seem closer to luck/fortune or fate when I watched it. She does tell them at in some cultures ravens are seen as "good luck".

  • @darkcocteau
    @darkcocteau 8 месяцев назад +10

    I felt a little letdown by the premise as it came off when I first watched it. That a deal with the devil is the central plot. Because that was never where Poe looked for his horror. It was always the evil and pain we commit on ourselves or others. Your rational makes much more sense than a supernatural deal. But, instead a raven who comes at the moment of their final choice to step into their own dark fate. Thanks for this.

  • @Jell000
    @Jell000 8 месяцев назад +8

    Ooo thx for this nice surprise today! Love ur videos :)

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  8 месяцев назад +2

      Thank you for watching!!

  • @corvidkhaos
    @corvidkhaos 8 месяцев назад +3

    cannot believe this video only has 300ish likes your analysis is spot on

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  7 месяцев назад +2

      Thank you so much, spread the word! :)

  • @AlashiaTuol
    @AlashiaTuol 5 месяцев назад +2

    An underrated scene I really like is Pym finding Morrie in the wreck of Perry's party. Pym can't possibly know who this survivor is, and he had every reason to want them to die so they can't potentially expose the truth, since he was sent in to cover up that this accident was Prospero's fault, and someone Prospero invited would obviously be able to say otherwise. Even if the Ushers could manage it, a survivor still makes cleanup a lot more complicated. But despite this, his immediate reaction was to alert the emergency services and in doing so, he saved the survivor's life.
    Despite him not being a "good" character, this small, easily overlooked moment really struck me, especially on rewatch--because it's such a contrast to the Ushers in the end. Pym evidently did and still does horrible things. It's clear he has and still is willing to murder people. But even though he's perfectly willing to kill when ordered, his instinct at that moment was still to save a life, even if that life's survival made his life more difficult.
    Contrast that with Victorine, who works in the business of saving lives--and chose to not alert the authorities and let someone she loved die because it was more convenient to her agenda.

  • @DavidMacDowellBlue
    @DavidMacDowellBlue 8 месяцев назад +4

    An excellent analysis. Brava.

  • @rokivoidwind
    @rokivoidwind 8 месяцев назад +4

    Love the Halloween costume!

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  6 месяцев назад +2

      Thank you! It was really funny, we were right about to put the sprites in and the Raccoon though it would be adorable. She was right.

  • @kindanothere1321
    @kindanothere1321 8 месяцев назад +14

    I agree with a lot that was said especially your analysis of madeline but at 13:56 you say that verna gave the children an escape from death which I don’t believe to be true. They were ALWAYS going to die because of the deal I think. I believe that Verna only gave the children an option to die peacefully. Like she says “you couldve died in your sleep” frequently but I don’t believe the children were never NOT going to die

    • @Kaipyro67ALT
      @Kaipyro67ALT 8 месяцев назад

      The point wasn't that they weren't going to die, the point was that they could have chosen to die a normal, peaceful death. They all chose to die violently.

    • @kindanothere1321
      @kindanothere1321 8 месяцев назад

      @@Kaipyro67ALT ah then i misunderstood what bat was saying

  • @hannahmalaran
    @hannahmalaran 7 месяцев назад +3

    I’ve always felt like she is the embodiment of karma personified

  • @AlashiaTuol
    @AlashiaTuol 5 месяцев назад +3

    The reading of Verna as consequence explains something that I've seen many be confused about that isn't satisfied by other explanations, and that's Leo's death. Because Leo never actually killed the cat, I've seen people express confusion as to why Verna tormented him the way she did. The answer is obvious: Verna, and the cat, represent the consequences of his dishonesty in general and his substance abuse in particular. His fate is actually more similar to Tamerlane; like her, he is tormented by hallucinations that reflect his flaws. Leo's fundamental issue is his willingness to lie to avoid addressing the impact of his vices so he can continue to indulge in them, rather than being honest and having to change.
    Leo is introduced to the audience lying to his boyfriend as he cheats on him. Leo then appears to kill his boyfriend's cat in a drug-fueled rage--and covers it up by buying an identical cat, despite Verna trying to get him to do otherwise. From then on, as he doubles down on refusing to acknowledge the damage he's causing through his substance abuse, he is the only person who sees and witnesses the harm inflicted upon him by the cat. This is because his confrontation with the cat stands in the place of the internal confrontation he should be having over his substance abuse, which is what's actually hurting him, and which everyone else can see and everyone who actually cares (his boyfriend) points out to him. Characters outside looking in see his erratice behavior as the concern - but he sees the cat as the problem, a circumstance itself brought on _by_ his substance abuse (in more ways than one, given the cat is both a cover for his bad trip and a hallucination itself).
    The cat isn't Verna's random torture method. The cat is a consequence of Leo's drug abuse. If he had changed his mind, got a different cat, and decided to be honest about his (believed) killing of Pluto, Leo could have gotten help, and probably wouldn't have died in a violent drug-fueled rage chasing a cat only he could see over his own balcony.

  • @melindaturner2527
    @melindaturner2527 8 месяцев назад +4

    Thank you for this. I loved this take, it was so true!

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  6 месяцев назад +1

      You're welcome! Thanks for watching, sorry for the late rely lol

    • @melindaturner2527
      @melindaturner2527 6 месяцев назад

      @@idlescree It's ok and you are welcome✌✌🙂

  • @LizzieDaKittie4015
    @LizzieDaKittie4015 8 месяцев назад +6

    I love it!!! Happy Halloween!!!!!

  • @Kaipyro67ALT
    @Kaipyro67ALT 8 месяцев назад +4

    Excellent video!

  • @vickylandry51
    @vickylandry51 8 месяцев назад +4

    I believe verna was some kind of death fairy. Someone who works with death and let's people choose their own path

  • @boredblue9686
    @boredblue9686 8 месяцев назад +8

    Bat with a raven costume is ADORABLE 🥹🥹❤️

  • @JonathanOsborneAU
    @JonathanOsborneAU 8 месяцев назад +4

    Not a robot! :D

  • @TheKeyser94
    @TheKeyser94 8 месяцев назад +3

    Verna made me remember Gaunter O'Dimm from The Witcher 3 but with more compassion, the names of O'Dimm were Master of Mirrors or Mister Mirrors, he had a hobby of making deals with horrible people, that have always ended one way or another with him winning, whatever his victim lived or die, as his nicknames implies he was a reflection of the despicable people that he made deals with, but he far more sinister, for example killing someone only because he annoy him.

  • @kaylahuntley9087
    @kaylahuntley9087 7 месяцев назад +2

    Love this breakdown. Thank u🩷

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  6 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoyed it!!

  • @christinebernchat7125
    @christinebernchat7125 2 месяца назад

    This is such an accurate characterization of Verna that destroys the devil theories with simple logic.

  • @SM-BSW
    @SM-BSW 8 месяцев назад +9

    Fun fact: in Russian lore, death is female.
    Also, I'd be interested in your take on the portrayal of death in the Discworld book series. Especially in Hogfather, Thief of Time, and Soul Music.

    • @Kaipyro67ALT
      @Kaipyro67ALT 8 месяцев назад +1

      Freaking love Hogfather.

  • @lizz-kikimora8107
    @lizz-kikimora8107 8 месяцев назад +3

    man oh man, I actually went to watch this video just cause I like your work and now I kinda want to watch it?? even though creepy and spooky stuff was never my cup of tea lol TT

    • @Kaipyro67ALT
      @Kaipyro67ALT 8 месяцев назад +3

      Such a good show. Highly recommend the Fall of the House of Usher.

  • @averystewart3117
    @averystewart3117 8 месяцев назад +2

    Answer - Verna is an “angel/cosmic being of judgement.” People choose heaven/hell in their life choices, she merely met them at their time of death for judgement

  • @aeryngoodspeed
    @aeryngoodspeed 8 месяцев назад +3

    i was pretty sure the seven deadly sins thing was debunked by Flanagan, also the cat didn't actually die he hallucinated that too

  • @abhisheksharma-sb3er
    @abhisheksharma-sb3er 8 месяцев назад +4

    There was never a option for the next gez to avoid the death their fate was sealed when rod made the deal with the devil
    And she asked fred's wife to go away even though she came to the party to cheat on her husband and choose 100's of others to die for what reasons and the fred downfall started when raven start meddling with their life, and getting victorine's partner killed for animal experiments may be but what about those scientists who found victorine they were involved too

  • @mehwhatever9726
    @mehwhatever9726 8 месяцев назад +2

    If you're or anyone interested in an overarching spin on the concept of death I very much reccomend a VN "Slay the Princess"

  • @merlinsvdd
    @merlinsvdd 5 месяцев назад

    I think for me, the raven is neither good nor bad. She is like a good omen & bad omen together. Carla did a good job of portraying multiple characters in this show. Great masterpiece of portraying Edgar Allan Poe's work. 😊 and i wouldn't take up that deal that they made with the raven. 😢nope.

  • @exammole4545
    @exammole4545 8 месяцев назад +3

    I would’ve really applied the 7 sins differently, say for the Roderick, Madeline and Victorine.
    Prospero (Perry) - Lust
    Camille - Envy
    Napoleon (Leo) - Gluttony
    Victorine - Greed
    Tamerlane - Sloth
    Frederick - Wrath

  • @thepineyapple
    @thepineyapple 5 месяцев назад

    I think I disagree on your take on Madeline. Everything was her idea. She was calling the shots and wearing the pants in the siblings relationship from the beginning. From going to confront there dad for help, to planning the backstabbing of the ceo of the company. Rodrick was the one that rolled with the punches. She never married, she was the only usher that actually made anything on her own (the algorithm shit/AI she was working on). That’s what I got from it anyway.

  • @malaknajla
    @malaknajla 8 месяцев назад +2

    The 7 deadly sins theory was debunked by Flanagan on his Tumblr.

    • @LizzieDaKittie4015
      @LizzieDaKittie4015 8 месяцев назад +1

      Death of the author baybeee! In all seriousness while Flanagan may not have intended those references that doesn't make it an invalid way of interpreting the text and nowhere i saw in the video did the bat say he deliberately constructed it that way, it's just a neat lens through which to see the characters. Happy belated Halloween!