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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2022
- After a one-way ride from Southern California to Minnesota it is fair to say i can really speak to what I do and don't like about the @Indian_Motorcycle Pursuit!!
Im Ridingfish,
I ride an @Indian Challenger white dark horse! I bought it at INDIAN MOTORCYCLE OF St. Paul. They are my home dealership but as you find on my channel I have worked with many different dealers around the USA.. My favorite thing about this RUclips thing is that I love growing the motorcycle community! Meeting and hanging out!! Ride Hard,
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Great review. took your pointer on the lower vents and that worked. Also on making sure to preload the rear shock. Huge difference in ride quality/performance from not doing that to doing it. We are 4 days and 700 miles into ownership of our Limited-Premium and loving it! Keep up the great work!!👊🤘
Man you have been a busy guy on the bike!! I see you ever where!! You doing Sturgis? I didn't get to Durango but I think I'm on tap for next year!! What about thr bike don't you like?
@@Ridingfish We are headed up to Sturgis...just over four weeks to go! We are super happy with the Pursuit for sure!! Looking forward to seeing you guys up there
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Yes!! I'll be around and keep an eye out!! Can't wait!!
That’s a “hack” many victory Cross Country Tour do.
Very nice and in depth. This longer experience with a bike type of review is what matters to me. First ride impressions are nice fluff, but that's it. Thanks to IMC for making you 2022 ambassador and loaning this brand new bike!
Thanks for getting these videos out there. It’s been very helpful
Of course think you for watching and the support!!
Great idea to film that suspension (5:30 onwards). ANOTHER reason why Indian is ahead of the pack on so many counts. Not just about the handling, but the comfort too. In 51 years of riding THIS bike is the creme de la creme re comfort and stability.
Thank you!! Yes Indian Motorcycle is doing it RIGHT!! Top gun!!
Setting the preload is so much easier than most bikes. Nice review.
And to be clear once it's set you never have to re set lbs tell you have some changes to be made!! Thank you
Great video as always.
My 20 Challenger saddlebag is slightly off alignment but that the only issue in 2 years.
Keep the great content going!
Thats really great news!
Excellent review, that Blue and Black dark horse looks amazing 🤩
Interesting review, when the Challenger first came out the main complaint was the rear brake peg, looking foreword to part 2 👍
Another really good review! You answered several questions I was wondering about. Thanks! I totally agree with you I think Indian Kicks Ass. To each his own. But no one can say Indian motorcycle is second to anyone! I know where I'm going to spend my money. I fully support the brand. Hell Yeah Fish Ride Hard Ride Fast ~~~
Great info, you answered a few questions i had, i rode the burgandy one at st paul and the brake pedal was on my list of possible changes, i have a cross country, and having that leg room on long trips is key, my ultimate seat is key too, been waiting for your opinion after the long ride, great takes, you really dont know a bike till ya put the seat time in.
real miles helps make things clear!! short trips are something but nothing like 2500 in a weekend! Thank you for watching.. hope you see you around in SP!
Had a 21 CVO with the 117 and it was a dog.Big and clunky, the RG feels top heavy. The Challenger has it all. Power, handles better, suspension is better and center of gravity is better and IMO looks better. When I first seen it I skeptical of it, but it really grew on me and now think it looks way better than a RG.
Plus 1 for Rizoma mirrors. I have had them on a BMW previously and they are amazing.
Thanks for another great review. I’m patiently waiting for my Darkhorse premium to arrive. Doing a demo day next weekend at my local dealer to ride it again. It will be the best bike I have ever owned.
congratulations and it will be the best bike!!
Pretty decent review. I would disagree on 1 point. The brake pedal needs to be a pedal. I had to do a panic stop from about 45 mph and that foot pedal provided the necessary leverage needed to haul my Pursuit to a stop. My rear tire skidded for the first 2 feet then the anti-lock brakes took over and worked like a charm to prevent further lock up and there was no side pull on the bike. In my opinion, the Pursuit is a much better bike than either the Challenger or the Roadmaster and I've owned both. My recommendation, if budget is not an issue, get the Premium package !!!! You won't regret it.
Well I agree with you about the premium package and about the pedal maybe if i had highway i would be able to forget it!! lol
Arguably, you really should be using the front brake mostly, for emergency braking
@@Hipporider Your absoultely right...Thats what us old school riders have been doing before ABS..
I wouldn't say "need," but I can see where it's a personal preference between riders. A pedal versus a peg has nothing to do with leverage. The leverage gained would be in the design of the brake arm that connects to the master cylinder - the angle, length, etc. And how well the braking mechanism works.
The pedal is a subjective thing. Im also a pedal guy, but a ride with abunch of guys that prefer a peg. 😉
My 19 darhorse has some quirks in the saddlebags. I have the trunk which is awesome and closes very well. Great video fish
Thank you!!
On the gold wing there is nowhere to put your feet except right under you. The other thing is if you are coming off a Roadmaster. The pedal may feel better.
Great review ! I just got mine 6-9-22 and love it ! I have a 2009 Road Glide CVO with a S&S 124" and Baker 7 speed and Legend suspension front and back and this Pursuit is by far a better bike. I also have a 2017 Springfield Chief that I traded . I am going to say the Power Plus with the 2 into 1 Bassani and Lloyd's tune and K&N filter is like riding a 131" V Twin !
BRO!! This is a statement!! Now those 124 builds are NO JOKE! For you to say that I'm impressed!!
To think you have to spend so much on suspension 😕 with HD and Indian comes out swing with great stuff!!
I have the same problem with lids also.
Once again great video and information
Thanks my man!
Yep the Victory invert front ends were awesome also....
Oh yea!! Vic DNA runs Through this motorcycle!!
Great review. I have a Pursuit. The 1st one to arrive in my state. Dealer loved showing it off. This bike does a lot of things in a great way. It's like my 2015 CVO Limited and BMW K1600B had a baby. I did put the Klock Werks 8' Flip and it is awesome. Thanks for the note about the lower fairing vent partially opening for heat management. I have always had them all the way open or all the way closed. Looking forward to playing with different opening range. I happen to like the brake pad instead of the peg on this bike. It just seems right when you're on a big touring bike.
BOOM!! Rocking the Pursuit!! Somewhere there are people reading this and are so jealous!! So because of that make sure you ride the hell out of it!!
Thanks for commenting and feel free to reach out and help me when I get stuff wrong and let's keep the info flying.. hope you know about the power source in the saddle bag!!
@@Ridingfish Found the power source. My 2020 Chieftain Elite has it as well. Keep up the great videos.
Been tossed up between the pursuit and the roadmaster. I'm leaning towards the pursuit. Your review has really helped seal the deal.
Good luck on your choice!! Test ride both if you can
I feel the same .
A solid review. Good audio quality. Good video clarity. And a lot of useful information. The Pursuit in premium trim is about as good as it gets. Now if we can just get Indian motorcycles on the podium ( 1st ) more often. I’ve ridden the 2022 Indian Pursuit. In Premium trim. It’s a very very good motorcycle. We as Indian motorcycle owners would really have it all if we had more race wins.
yes please come on Indian. But those Wyman brothers looking pretty fast these days!!
@@Ridingfish I'll be honest. Harley has gone ALL IN with the bagger racing league. Huge investments. The Wyman brothers are very very good. It's gonna be real tough. But I love Indian. So I hope they step up. I knew when Tyler barely won the dash for cash race that the following race was gonna be VERY hard to win. And I was right. Harley is a juggernaut. Plain and simple. But I think Indian will come out ahead.
Yea some rules are kind if for HD I'm thinking they might even the playing field!! As for HD being all in!! YES THEY DONT WANT TO LOSE!! 100%
Your right about saddlebags my2020 challenger same is the same as you talked about, plus both bags the plastic or???, has come loose and had to reattach with 3 mtape. I got about 2500 miles on my bike . After one ride couple hundred miles , washing bike nxt day had 2 very noticable chips out of the paint on front fender right to the bare metal, no idea where they come from, but totally agree the finish could be a lot better. Really like the bike otherwise, have always own Harley so was big step.👍😎
Hey Fish, GREAT Comprehensive Video. You touch on some great points. I agree with fit & finish. Catch ya soon‼ RIDE SAFE💨
Man! I have been in talks about a south Florida trip!! Maybe this winter! 🤔
Thank you for the kind words
@@Ridingfish AWESOME, I think you have my number if not I’ll DM it to you. I got a couple of small motorcycle trips planned over the summer and then of course Daytona in October. I may plan a 3 to 5 day trip at end of August, I’ll keep you posted.
Umm not sure.. 0633?
Now that was a great video!
Thank you so much!!! I appreciate it!!
For American made, still more expensive than others.
Just picked up my '22 pursuit darkhorse and am halfway through my break-in period and I'll have to try out that lower faring vent trick, thanks! One thing I'll have to agree with you is that the saddle bag lids are a lot more loose compared to my '18 chieftain and it will definitely bother me. Otherwise, I'm pretty excited to get some miles put on this bike. Can't wait to get it tuned and get the Lloyds signature slip-ons and maybe the cams once they get released! Cheers from the next state over from you!✌
Make sure you feel Two clicks on the bags. Not perfect but better!! CAMS!!! My man!! Im so excited to start having bigger options for out powerplus platform!!! One state over!! Probably see you on the road!!
Great review. The Persuit does have the extended reach seat option. The trunk seems smaller than my Vic but i wish mine had a light. I think those Brembo fork lowers will fit on the vic too. Id like those bigger brakes. I switched to the brake pad from the peg. Personal preference . But hiway pegs do give another position option on long rides. Love my heated seat and grips but i wish i had a cooled seat too. Like that adjustable windshield. I wish the lowers had storage like the Vic. Ditto on the partial opening on the vents. Glad you had a nice ride there Iron Butt! Great vid. Ride on !🍻
Hot damn! ! I appreciate the kind words!! Yes the cross over with Vic and Challenger/Pursuit is great!! I have seen ppl put Vic trunks on Challenger doesn't look half bad either!!
Do you know if the Extended Seat has the heating option ?
@@Hipporider
It looks like only the standard seat and climate command deluxe seats are heated . Why the extended reach is not available with both is beyond me. My Victory seat is extended and heated and I think it will bolt on to the Pursuit but I’m not sure how well it’ll match up exactly to the shortened tank of the Pursuit. I think Ill try that out and see next time I see a Challenger/ Pursuit.
I'm gonna try that with the hard lowers on my Victory XCT.
I bet it will help!! Let me know!
I’ve always liked Indian motorcycles over others. So may are die hard HD fans and I don’t share the same enthusiasm. I got my 2021 Vintage Dark Horse and it’s my favorite bike I’ve owned by far! I love what Indians doing with their machines!
They are soo good.. and still aspiring to be better and I believe that's the most important thing
Fantastic review. Thank you for that. I never like those kind of bikes and I sooooo hate HD. Having said that, Indian really nailed it. The black one looks wonderful. It cost almost 10K more than my new Goldwing DCT Tour. Too much for me. But, great job, Indian.
Thank you!! Good luck on your next tour motorcycle!!
Just a question about your preference. I know everyone likes different models and they fit people differently. How does the Pursuit compare to the Road Master that you and Curtis rode last year? I ride a Road Master and really like it. I’ve ridden a couple of demo Challenger’s and loved the power but didn’t spend enough time on them to see how they were on a long trip.
I think the suspension is probably better on the Pursuit! The power runs differently on the PP108 and likes to be revved out where to TS like that low end power.. then there is fitment.. a shorter rider may like the RM more! But the bigger riders probably would prefer the Pursuit...
If you drop the Persuit, does the fall protection work?
Or will there be paint damage?
It works .. I have seen a couple drops (very slow speed) and there was not damage.. there might of been one time there was a small amount on the lower bag.. but nothing to write home about
Im comming off a kawasaki zx 10r and this will be my first bagger, aaannnd i havent even test road it yet lol.. great review
You will not be disappointed!! This is like a sport bike that got a little heavy but still wants to run around with the in shape dudes!! Thank you!!
I'd suggest you keep the engine stock. Once you get into the engine, it all is on the tuner, and the tuner doesn't have the skill, time, or resources or do the validation Polaris engineering put into what was shipped from the factory.
I hear you!! But the one difference is the tuner doesn't have to worry about EPA and need to lean them out to make them pass
@@Ridingfish I could give 2 shits less about the epa too. It's about air/fuel ratio, detonation, and other tuning parameters that will either shorten or extend the life of your engine. Tuners are usually quick to get a bike out the door as historically the fee is fixed no matter how much time he/she puts into it. Not their bike. Just like snowmobiles, you want more power, get a bigger factory sled.
Thanks for the review. I’m still wondering about the two bikes. Are they the same frame and motors, just different creature comforts? I have a Yamaha Vstar and looking into getting a bigger bagger. I’ve test rode the HD Road Glide, Honda Gold Wing, and a 2022 Indian Challenger. I liked the Challenger the best. That bike fit me perfectly! When I looked at getting the tour pack, saddlebag crash bars and paint job (I’m not a fan of black motorcycles) it was more expensive than the Pursuit that has those items standard.
Yes the Pursuit is basically the TOUR CHALLENGER.. if you wanted a Challenger tour here it is!! I do feel the "leg room" maybe a little less with the break peddle and thr seat may be a tad closer for the rider to give extra room to the passenger
Man I come from the sports bike world, and most the people I know ride sports bikes. With that said on the straights the blow me out of the water but on the corners I can keep up no problem and have passes some on the corners. Biggest issue that I’ve had is that top speed caps at 110 and it’s happened to me multiple times douring the apex and bike starts going wide.
Lloyd'z Garage tune rises the speed limiter a lot!! Might want to look into that!! I always say this rides like a sport bike that got fat!! Haha
Still love the Blue Dark Horse. Would have to get it in Premium as I would love the electronic suspension.
I agree with the windshield, I would put a freedom on it.
The brake pedal........I took my peg off and put a Kuryakyn spear pedal on. Not this is smaller than Indians I think. I found that I would end up putting my boot on part of the brake arm so I switched it and love it.
Thanks for the Great review.
Thank you!!
I believe dirty bird has speakers for the lowers sounds great from what I’ve heard
I have actually heard that too
Glad to see some Pursuit vids coming out from creators now. Meanwhile I've had mine on order since the day of launch..still nothing. /sad
soon!! soo soon.. hopefully!
Great review, Thanks. Beautiful bike! I have not ridden a Pursuit but from hearing your review I would say I like most things about the bike. Though I have to say, a premium touring motorcycle really should come with heated seats. The heated grips are an awesome feature to have, but to leave out heated seats? Really? Also I prefer a fork mounted fairing, I like the headlights and such turning with the bars, that`s just me. Nice honest review 😎
Maybe I didn't say it.. if so my bad.. the standard Pursuit doesn't have heated seats but the premium DOES
This motorcycle is awsome...
To me, take off the trunk and lowers and you have a Challenger. Pegs vs pedal and passenger floorboards seems to be only differences. Am I wrong?
A little bit more then that! If those things are not your style then 100% just get a challenger
"Outstanding."
Sir I don't believe you can talk to long about motorcycles.
Can you buy extended seat for tall people?
Outstanding camera position for the front suspension.
You sold me on the bike.
Your review was kick ass.
Yes the Challenger extended reach seat will fit the pursuit but wouldn't match the trunk pads!
I agree about your very last point. Pursuit is a real value. I think for versatility of taking off that trunk around town and using the trunk on long trips. Here's a question: would a challenger quick release passenger back rest work on a pursuit? Thinking small back rest for my wife on short trips around town, large tour pack on long trips
Yes the passenger back rests will transfer over to the pursuit.. My plan exactly.. low profile around town.. but love to have to tour pack for trips
Looking at the Challenger. Just the review I'm looking for.
Thank you for watching! Reach out any time!
Good video
Thank you very much!!
dang whatever this an that, if I saw that blue in person, Id probably buy it lol.
It's sooo nice!!
I ran my own lights to the bags lol
Riding to the Indian rally in Durango, Colorado, from Michigan.
Are you going to be there?
sad but i will not be.. im going to Maggie Valley NC that time!
Thank you for a great review you’ve answered a lot of my questions . I am looking to buy 2023 and I know it has to be ordered . I have A question .
I took the challenger out for a test drive and I couldn’t get over the heat on my right leg , will the Lloyd’s tune fix this ? Thanks again for all your great content
I'm surprised you had a lot of heat on a Challenger.. but they do run lean from factory and a tune would richen it up so it should cool it down!! Pursuits do have more heat because the lower blocking the wind!! But need to crack open the vent a little and it's helps a lot!!
Well I bit the bullet and I bought the 22 Challenger limited and I’m doing the stage one with a Cat delete and will probably do the Lloyds tune . I can’t thank you enough from your very informative videos helped me to choose
Hells yes!! Congratulations!!!
Thanks brother
At 6'2" , I'm guessing that the Pursuit seat would be a bit cramped for me, after hearing of your comments about that. Does the extended seat have a heating option as well, i wonder ? Maybe aftermarket seats offer more ? Great review, cheers 🇦🇺
Does it get cold enough down under you would need heat????? Hahahah I think if you came from the Vic Family then you would enjoy extended reach seats if you cam from HD then highway pegs would do it. I do NOT believe heat comes in the extended reach...
@@Ridingfish Tasmania, mate. Single digit Celsius days in winter isn't unusual at all 🇦🇺
Does the demo truck have a pursuit premium package to try? Rental/ Dealership only have the challenger to rent!! We rented it and fell in love ordered a pursuit darkhorse premium package can't wait till August to take delivery! Good video
I believe most demo trucks have a premium Pursuit yes!!
Starting to look at new bikes and will be test writing this week going from Harley-Davidson Heritage Softail to either a challenger with a tour pack or a Pursuit. In your opinion does it look like the Pursuits trunk would hold two full face helmets? Really looking forward to test riding a few new bikes and appreciate your input👍
WOW.... Im so sorry i missed this comment... it does hold two full face helmets.... did you already get something? if so what did you get
It’s funny I’m trading in my 2019 Heritage and I’m possible getting the pursuit . I am so tired of Harley BS
Nope haven't bought anything yet I will come spring I really want to pursue but I have a feeling I won't be able to find a used one so I might be stuck with a challenger which is essentially the same bike without the lowers and the tour pack.
Thanks for your input on the trunk though👍
I’m telling you…. Since you are going to be in the pits with the SOUNDZ sponsored entry… with ACTUAL, SPEAKERS, THAT REALLY WORK!
Yes, Soundz has bad speakers in the KOTB Bike that REALLY PLAY MUSIC, and they ARE IN THE BAGS during the race!
Talk to Peter (Founder of Soundz) or Bill (Vice President of Soundz) they can set you up with a system that will BLOW YOUR FREAKING MIND!!!!!!!
Soundz was not there but I will keep my ear to the ground!!
If you go to Sturgis, head over to Black Hills HD and they will be set up in the vendor area. You CAN’T miss them
Nice job fish.
Long time!! Thank you!!
@@Ridingfish yes it’s been a long time. I just got busy with work. Hope all is well.
@@poppysadventures2020
Oh boy!! Damn work always messing up our fun!!
Maybe you could see if indian makes wide front tire kit
I know that @Lloyd'z Garage has FAT front tires for the the Challenger! You could call and talk to Amanda at Indian Motorcycle of St Paul..
I ride a harley but I'm starting 2 come around with Indian, not enough dealerships 4 me but they seem like great bikes. Maybe slightly superior? Ive heard a few horror stories, but i have with hd2.
Baby steps my friend!! Haha 😄 🤣 have you had a chance to ride any Indian Motorcycles? If so what's your favorite?
i want to buy a challenger with a trunk! but then i could jsut get the pursuit and get the lowers away, get a brake peg and call it a day
Spot on!!
I thought the Pursuit came standard with the Power Band Audio ?
Maybe the middle grade but not the Powerband I got
@@Ridingfish i didn't know there was a middle grade. I thought there was only standard and Power Band ? I wonder how you would go integrating a Hertz or some other aftermarket audio system into a Challenger or Pursuit? I guess you might lose certain functionality with the handlebar and rider command controls ? 🤔
Vic XCT 2.0 in other words. Just a little smaller.
Yes!! About the truth!!
So far it’s the only bike I’ve found that I’d possibly replace my XCT with. Did really like the power of the challenger when Indian had their demo days. Oh yeah hello from a fellow swampy, every fall we do a group ride from SW MN over to the south east side.
That CVO has less power then my 03 VTX1800 it has 107 hp and 122 ft torque stock , and that was back in 03
Yep not wrong!!
How can the rest of the bike be so good, but they can make decent bags? I’ve heard multiple people complain about leaky saddlebags on these and it’s concerning.
I never had any issues with leaking bags.. I know of one guy and I think it's his speaker lids not installed correctly
225> your ass weighs 225....jk, another informative video bro...
Hahah FACTS!!
🤣🤣🤣 Good one LoL.
Should of made the opening closing lowers electronic on it.
Haha dude I never thought of that!! Can be done with your foot tho!! I thought that was amazing!!
@@Ridingfish also didn't realize until today that the premium doesn't automatically come with speakers in lids or speakers/ storage in those lowers.
@@coreytune8487 unfortunately that is correct.. honestly the speaker lids are bla.. but the speakers in the lower I think will be money..
@@Ridingfish not pretending i really hear them. Put my hands on em at times to make sure they're on. I like the way they look though... premium should have every available option... also i desire pennicle mirrors for Darkhorse
Was this a 3,000 mile review or 30,000 mile review? The title confused me a bit.
Fish, owns a 2020 challenger he has put 30K miles on. The 3000 mile review was the Pursuit that he had for a couple weeks, and road from Cali to Minnesota on.
yes Daniel!! 30k on my Challenger... and also 3k on a Pursuit!! sorry for the confusion
But how am i to trust you when you're wearing a hat saying " trust no one "? 😋🇦🇺
You can trust the one telling you to keep your guard up!! Hahahahahahaha
My studio has a shower and a shitter...
Stock handlebars suck, paint scratches to easy, who puts an air filter under a gas tank? No usb or power port in fairing? I’ll just ad IMHO the Challenger is closer to a Goldwing than a HD.
Everyone's stock handlebars suck 😒.. my paint doesn't seem to stretch easily and I'm a pain in the ass to it!! There is a USB Power port in the right side of the fairing (glove box) then another PowerPoint in the right saddlebag
As for the air filter. There is a side intake also but yes it goes through the back bone of the frame!!
@@Ridingfish I know about the power ports. I use the one in the saddle bag for my portable CB for group rides. Not many options out there for aftermarket parts yet. I want credit for not asking about your pointed ears. Stay upright.
Hey!!!!!!! Leave my pointed ears out of this!! Hahahah
I would've bought one if i had 35k, but i didn't.
I hear you!! Thats why God made loans!! Haha when you're ready they will be here!!
@@Ridingfish haha i bought a low rider st, but someday will get the challenger!
@@btoso32 I think the lower with the 117 is probably HD best bike!! Challenger next time!! Congratulations
@@Ridingfish AGREED
The mirrors?..Cmon Fish your nit pickin...They look fine...They look like the same stock mirrors that come on all Indians...Remember its a Tourer not a Barhopper...Comfort and Function over Form and Looks..
Honestly I think there is probably DOT standards that say how Big they have to be!!
@@Ridingfish I dont know maybe...my old 96 RoyalStar i put the mini rectangle chopper mirrors on to match the mini apes handlebars i put on and i never got ticketed for it...
@@bradlozano2571 I mean like off the assembly line rules as much as state laws!! 🤷♂️
@@Ridingfish Well to be honest...Ive found that as far as function...The stock mirrors on all Bikes are the best....But not the prettest...Even the Arlen Ness mirrors i had on my old Victory werent as good as the stock ones for seeing the blindspots...
@@bradlozano2571 yea I agree!! I have mess on my Challenger now!
Brutal to watch and I had to fast forward. 36 minutes long. All you needed was 5 minutes. Too long winded.
Thank you for watching
Not sure we can get an honest review since you work for Indian.
When they pay me I'll let you know!! As of now might have to trust the things I say I don't like I really didn't like..
Well if he was a Harley guy, and bad mouthed it, would you still make that ridiculous comment??
He will probably be a new ambassador for the indian in the future. I dont think he is 100% objective.
@@trucker-d4161 sure. I own a Harley and it’s the biggest POS I have ever owned.
I am sure there are perks to being an ambassador, but Ridingfish’s reviews are very much in line with my experiences on my Challenger.