Sig Sauer Foxtrot EDC
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2023
- Sig just released the Foxtrot EDC Handheld. What do you think of it?
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Quite literally no channel does flashlight tests like you guys. This is where I first learned about lumens/candela LOL
Thanks for the positive feedback! Yes, this is exactly what we want to provide to you... unbiased DATA and analysis.
They're the reason I'm sticking with my TLR1 HL's. Loved their video(s) on WML comparisons.
I'm happy to see a true, single-output tactical light coming in at this price point. I might look at these while I'm waiting for a single-output or gas-pedal surefire turbo.
I'm happy to see competition in this space as well.
Color Temperature is everything!!
Love your comprehensive reviews and comparisons, keep them coming!
Thanks! That's the plan!
You guys are doing such an awesome service to the community! Thanks for the amazing content.
Thanks much! I'm happy to be adding value!
I pulled the trigger on the compact version yesterday and have been waiting for a review. Great review! Keep up the great work. Love my M7 for my Tacops!
Thanks for the feedback! Would be great if you shared your thoughts after you get the light.
I picked the compact up yesterday. This is the first video of a light review on the new light and I am glad you made the first one. I enjoy your content!
I'm glad our content adds value. We plan to keep reviewing!
Currently looking at picking up one of the two sizes, I carry a microstream usb right now what made you choose the compact?
You have the best light reviews ever. Thank you.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your positive comments!
Great review Shan. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Randy will do!
Channel is great
My Werkz holster is even better.
Cloud is a marketing nonsense??....... I'm shocked Hahaha 😂 every owner of a cloud that I know, is beyond unhappy!!! Lol NONE of them will be buying from cloud again Haha thanks for these!!!
To be fair. Modlite is as guilty if not worse. I love my cloud weapon lights. I just don't know how much I enjoy my handheld... My first one was good, sold it. Got another one and it's... Been having weird issues... Going into program mode randomly.. well see if a new tail cap fixes this problems.
Love what you guys are doing with the lights. Excellent job.
As for the new Sig Sauer light, the fact it doesn’t have programmable modes is a turn off for me.
A few months ago, before I order my Cloud Defensive MCH DUTY, I was using a Streamlight. I had two complaints against the Streamlight handheld; not enough candela, and I did not like any of the three modes it offered.
After researching different manufacturers, Cloud Defensive MCH is what I was looking for in a handheld flashlight.
When it comes to pricing, compared to other handheld manufacturers like Modlite and Surefire, the Cloud Defensive comes in middle price tier compared to their competitors.
Streamlight of course is a good value for the money, but when an end user (or someone that already knows what they want out of a light comes along) they want something better than the value tier bracket of handheld lights.
And this is where the more expensive tier lights come into the picture.
With that said, Sig trying to compete with Cloud, with my experience with handheld, there is no competition. At least for someone that knows about quality lights and what they want out of a light.
I feel who Sig is really competing against is Streamlight.
And if this is the case, I would give it to Sig on this one.
As for the higher tier lights like Modlite, Surefire, Cloud… they are in a league of their own.
Excellent analysis. Thanks for sharing your detailed thoughts. I suspect Sig was probably targeting Streamlight on price and output, and you're right they came in above. However, form factor plays such a large role that I couldn't help but compare to Cloud. I think the real test will come in when there are a bunch of lights in the wild -- which one has reported issues, and which one just works. Even our torture testing doesn't really show some of the key ways lights fail, such as switches.
Thanks for the review, that good old chinesium products. Still gonna carry my modlite
Your Modlite likely has a significant candela advantage... Blessings!
@@WerkzHolsters yeah it just sucks that no one makes emitters in the US.(At a reasonable cost
I just bought a P365 X macro Comp with Romeo X compact for a family member. And on your recommendation also bought her a FOXTROT2R. Will likely be getting a holster from you in the near future.
I hope the F2R meets your expectations!
I know its coming, but I'm a little bummed out you didn't beat the piss out of this light.
I'll be watching for that video.
That will be fun...
I really like your videos and have been playing around with using 16340 batteries in CR123a weapon lights (i.e. not as specified) and realized that their use gives me considerably brighter output and the option to recharge. There seems to be a shortage of information on this topic and was wondering if you might be willing to say something about the topic, especially since this trick gave me a much better output on my TLR7sub (no other options for my G43x).
Also, I've been carrying in your Werkz holsters since Christmas and they're fantastic!
Would be interested to see you guys get some powertac flashlights in. I carry one and really like it!
We will keep that in mind for the future!
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Try the M5 Gen3 2030 lumen EDC flashlight with multiple modes. It's like $70 and seems to be a great value. But interested to see how it would hold up under heavy testing. Having thrown mine on tile from 5 to 12 feet multiple times in training with no issues, my thoughts would it would do well. But y'all's reviews are the best!
I don't expect Sig Sauer to do it, but this light would be excellent with a Cree XHP50.3 3v. It's a powerful emitter with reasonably high CRI even in high CCTs on the newer batches.
I don't know about comparing it to the Cloud. I see that's Sig's intention, but I think a better comparison is the weltool t8 series. Speaking of I would love to see you guys take a look at those. They seem rather interesting.
We have way more lights in house than we have time to make videos for. That said, perhaps we can pull together a large collection of current less popular lights and make a video on those... good suggestion.
Sig is like Harley Davidson, they make everything. Guns, ammo, optics, clothing, lights…they have to sub these out.
Yeah, they seem to be in all the firearms spaces.
Out of curiosity, is the Cloud that you guys have one of the older ones, or is it one of the newer dual fuel models?
For the price i kind of feel like this is a bit of a "swing and a miss" from Sig.
I have a Fenix PD32 V2 that cost half the Sig EDC and has more candela and comparable lumens, it IS a multi-mode light, but the multiple modes can be completely ignored and dont get in the way (which is the best way to have a multimode "tactical" light if you're going to make one, hint hint light manufacturers!)
Fenix rates their PD32 V2 for 1200 lumens and 39,000 candela on high and comparing it to other lights i believe it, if it doesnt reach those numbers it comes VERY close, and its only $65.
Great content guys, the light looks like a "pass" for me, but always thankful for more reviews!
Thanks for the sharing your thoughts and analysis. It might be time for us to pull a few of the "other" lights into a test set and see how they do.
I'm starting to like flashlights with battery status indicators. Once you use a light...it'll have a partially discharged battery. These flashlights are bright...but have very short run times. Lol...but I guess a low battery indicator isn't very tacticool.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Some manufacturers are adding a ton of features, such as battery level indicators. We have a review of a Chinese light on LowLightDefense.com that has those features and more. Adding features usually adds UI complexity, which is a tradeoff.
The main problem is that it either adds complexity like Shan said, or if it's a display, it's another part to break.
Which size do you guys recommend for the foxtrot? The compact or the larger size? Currently carrying a streamlight microstream usb
My edc defensive light is a Cyansky K3---this Sig is smaller but way less candela ----115K candela for K3 vs 33k for Sig-----for a light source only---this is okay---but I utilize mine as daylight blinding source---and need minimum 100k candel for that---btw Cloud Defense is 70k candela and Surefire EDC is 100k candela-----
I have one question it maybe close to the mch but dose this light fit the thrym switch back that’s a real deal breaker for me on lights that don’t
We tested this, and found that while the Thyrm physically fits, it doesn't work very well and the button on the light isn't ideally placed in relation to the switchback, making predictable activation difficult.
Why do you prefer around 5500k? Wouldnt be cooler light aroun 7000k more blinding to an aggressor?
Can we put a pressure pad switch on them?
I am not aware of such an option yet from Sig.
Bereli has both cloud models for 115$ delivered.
Dang that's a great price.
I've burned too many holes in my pockets. That's why I like Cloud Defensive because their ND protector is the best I've seen. And this light's ND protector does not seem high enouhg.
Yes, ND protection is important. So is thermal management. I appreciate that Cloud Defensive innovated with different sized protectors. I do also believe that long throw stiff switches can improve ND resistance as well. I'm glad we have competition in this space so folks like you can get the best possible solution for your needs!
@@WerkzHolsters YO! I love your videos! I'm an uneducated flashlight nerd. I just love them, but don't know a ton about them, which is where you come in. Haha.
I'm sure there are way better lights than the CD, and it's hard to justify that price. I'm not rich so I had to save up for months to get it. It's for sure not the brightest, but it's plenty powerful for me and again, that highest ND protector was the most important thing for me since burning holes in the pockets of two expensive pants. Haha. Looking forward to your next videos and have a blessed holiday season!
Thanks for your feedback. I would love to know which lights burned your pockets if you care to share. Blessings!
@@WerkzHolsters It was the Fenix LD30 Flashlight - 1600 Lumens. Great light in all other regards. I was going to keep in in my backpack but if it got bumped it would for sure start a fire if not caught in time. With my pockets I actually smelled it before I felt it. Haha. I guess if you carry it in a holster or something that would help. Their fix/idea was for me to not have the battery cap fully screwed on. Haha. I don't think they get one of the major reasons to carry such a powerful light, i.e. defense. But I really loved the light. Enough that I gave it till the third ND.
WHY NO CR123 BATTERIES
I don't like my light coming on in turbo especially when going to bed. If you have ever shined a light over 1000 lumens in complete darkness you know that it will completely blind you for a couple seconds. I don't think this a wise option especially for indoor house scenarios.
I personally don't like a defensive light coming on in any mode other than high. I can always dim a light with my finger if I need. That said, I know there are lots of lights that provide the option of coming on low, including some we've recently reviewed at lowlightdefense.com/ Thanks for the feedback!
@@WerkzHolsters opinions are like assholes everyone has one
I was about to buy this light, then as was pointed out, no lower light output settings. That’s a huge fail in my book. Doesn’t make it a versatile edc. It’s not a weapon light, it’s an edc… what was Sig thinking with this…
The 18450 won’t sell
Sig: Consider adding a C-type port externally, instead of having to remove the battery for recharge. Convenience.
Thanks for another great video.
Thanks much! One thing to be aware of is that external ports then require waterproofing. This light is IPX-7. I personally find swapping batteries a non-issue. especially when a light ships with 2 of them, so I can always keep one charged.
Thats why i love an external magnetic charger, with a battery mounted usb C charger. Best of both worlds@WerkzHolsters
Seems like Olight (and a couple others) have the perfect offering for you, as long as you aren't exposing them to saltwater. The external magnetic chargers are ok against water intrusion. But my testing shows that saltwater short circuits them.
"...assembled in China..." ah, movie over.
that is a lot of money for a very low power light.
I find you are often splitting hairs. Really no practical difference.
For the gear junkies of the world, splitting hair is music to our ears.
Please stick to wml. The handheld market is another animal. Don't even go there.
Its a Modlite ripoff
"...assembled in China..." ah, movie over.
Have to ask how did you make the comment ur phone and computer or tablet they were all made in China yes surefire is better but come on
@@chrisscheuer907You can still do your best by buying American in other aspects even if your phone is chinese. Its not a hard concept
China can make high quality products. I only have a Norinco ak and it’s solid
@@chrisscheuer907 your point is taken, but there is a vast difference between "many of my high-end competitors are made in the US and we are made in China" v. "everybody is made in China, there are no US-made options at all". I'm able to pay more to create an American job, and so I strongly prefer to do so. I don't shop first on price.
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