BETTER THAN K-TUNED? | Hybrid Racing CMC Install | Episode 27
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- *For RSX models, you'll need to swap your old CMC rod over to the new HR CMC unit.
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Careful with this guys tutorials guys. He never swapped out the rod that is required by hybrid racing. You have to swap your oem rod into the hybrid racing, they are different lengths. Also after install you have to then adjust your clutch pedal/clutch rod and stopper. This guy just shows slapping on a parts and calling it a day. He’s just a parts showcase.
Everybody should go Hybrid Racing or get an OEM Honda EM2 master cylinder. Last weekend had my clutch fall to the floor, and I too thought that it could not be my new Ktuned master cylinder I installed 5000 miles ago. Car has 236k and was on the original slave so I went ahead and bought a Ktuned slave since that could possibly be the issue. Well that didn't fix it, so I went and bought another Ktuned master cylinder and the clutch was good for 1 day before it FAILED ON THE DYNO. So I had to rev match the whole way home with no clutch pressure and now I have to go back once it's fixed so they can finish my tune. Installed the new master cylinder and slave and in about 50 miles the Ktuned master cylinder failed again, and the Ktuned slave is leaking. Just don't buy Ktuned...
Exedy works well too
I second this post been though 2 k tuned in 2 years bullshit
Hybrid racing kit removes the swivel nut adapters which removes the use of the O ring from disintegrating from boiling clutch/rust/o ring failure.
Great vid, hybrid racing knocked it out of the park by removing the ktuned failure point.
Wow, that engine bay must be nice to work in. My 8th gen civic is a nightmare to get to the cmc
I've heard similar stories! One of the reasons that chassis is keeping me away lol I have big hands and I need more room as it is, imagine having that car! Haha 🤭
I know when I bought my 8th I had to change the cmc but I put the original one two month later it brokes again, Imagine this my 2nd time replacing it ☹️ i
do they use the same cmc as the dc5?
Your RSX is so freaking clean. Looks amazing!
Thank you so much! I appreciate that! 🙏🏻
Hell yeah I was waiting in this! Looks awesome and I’m definitely getting one ASAP
Thank you for watching Eddie! It came out so much better! Feel free to check out the links on the description of this video or check out our website. We sell HR products and much more! 👍🏻
How is this CMC holding up so far?
Amazing how many times I've seen/heard Ktuned fails in CMCs ...im going with Sirimoto or Hybrid
The em2 is also a great option
Also any update on how the Hybrid cmc is holding up? looks like this video was more than a year ago.. ^ .^
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Are you sure you don't have to swap the piston out with the oem assy? Hybrid Racing makes that a mandatory step atleast for k20 civics, not sure if your rsx is different. Another note is the banjo fitting it meant to go on the cmc side, not the slave side as you pointed out. Great videos though bro, love the DC5!
Yes you have to swap the push rod. It was done off camera and yes it's part of the instructions on HR website. Banjo fitting goes in the CMC end. Thank you for watching!
great video. you convinced me to go with hybrid rather than ktuned. i know you said that its easy but is it hard removing the old lines from the slave? like would we run into any difficulty?
Thank you! I'm glad that my experience will save you from replacing it again and wasting money.
The OEM setup has hard lines and rubber lines. They are held by 10mm bolts and plastic clips.
If you are coming from a stock OEM setup. Remove the slave cylinder which is held by 2 - 10mm bolts... At that point you can remove the entire slave/lines/CMC/reservoir all at once and work on it off the car.
Assemble the HR kit outside the car and put it back into the car. Very simple once you have everything in front of you. Don't sweat it. You got this!
Check out the HR products on our site, I left the link in the description. Enjoy
DC5R.Parts thank you for the response. I will do as you said when I do it. The cmc you got vs the one pictured in the website looks a bit different. Yours has the boot and painted top. Website is unpainted and no boot, what's up with that?
That's just a stock picture to show what the bare product is. You'll get exactly what you see in my video, cover and all. No worries 👍🏻
Aww man I just got my K-Tunes in. Shoot let's hope I'll be ok.
hows your holding up?
@@abdurkhan6075 it's great. Better then ever. My car only 120k miles. 1st replacement now doing hybrid slave n braided line. I never did it yet until I was doing clutch and flywheel. Thanks for checking up.
Good luck with that k tuned rubbish 🗑 😄
one thing i did was tap the longer em1 rod to match the rsx one and i trimed it down to match so i dident need to swap it over also the rod section is diffrent where it meets the piston in the master this is why i moded it
Will the hybrid racing solve high rpm lockout?
I installed ktuned cmc and slave on my 10th gen after installing clutchmaster fx100 with lwf. But the high rpm lockout is horrendous. Cant shift past 5600.
I still have oem cmc and slave cylinder and stock clutch line. Could i also just remove clutch delay valve from stock slave cylinder?
Someone help please
I have a 04 TSX with a EM2 exedy clutch master cylinder….am I supposed to have some play in the pedal ? I made the rod tight with half an inch play and I already busted the inner seal smh
Ya im done with ktuned parts, what's their deal, they basically just have nice looking housing parts like fuel rail, intake manifold, decent throttle bodies I always see issues with those too... I do however like the 3 inch oval exhaust from them.
When your cmc failed was it tough to change gears? my rsx was just cruising around fine and then took off from a stop light slowly and then after that its been tough to change gears, changing cmc and slave soon just wonder what your thoughts are, much appreciated.
Although it's hard to diagnose just based off what you described. I had a similar situation. It was just fine and when I started moving again. I couldn't get it in gear, or it was extremely hard. You could start with the replacement of the CMC and Slave kit. Even if it doesn't end up being the issue. It is much cheaper diagnosis than a clutch job. Check out the exedy kit I sell. It comes with everything you need! Here's the link dc5rparts.com/collections/parts/products/exedy-clutch-master-cylinder-slave-w-stainless-steel-line-package
Any tips for putting in the master cylinder? I’ve been trying for the longest but it doesn’t line up
Great video brother, Thank You
Wow nice car man
Did that squeak 13:01 go away? Looking at parts and my current set up squeaks but not that much. Wondering if that rubber boot caused it
Most likely is not that rubber boot.
@@DC5RParts Thanks for replying so quickly on a 2 year old video!
AWESOME VID, can you show us how do you keep your motor soo clean? THANKS !!
Planning on it!
Ktuned is crap! Same shiet happened to me, it lasted only 2 oil changes.Thank you for the video!
The best CMC upgrade is just going OEM EM2.. Or the Exedy Em2 with SS braided lines..
You just described exactly what this is 😂 "OEM EM2 + Line". Our exedy kit is a better kit, much better value. 🤘🏻
@@DC5RParts .. Yes I know, they are all OEM em2 knockoffs.. The Exedy is just the cheapest and best value for pretty much the same exact thing
Knockoffs?? I'm not sure where you getting your sources from. But Hybrid Racing does not sell knockoffs "Nissin" CMCs. They are exactly the same as OEM... Because they are. Both have "Nissin" stamped on it. They only add a SS line to it and that's it. It's their package deal.
Exedy kit is a better deal, and yes it's pretty much the same thing.
Nothing is better than OEM. Just my opinion for the cmc
The slave cable is backwards if anyone is going to install it. I dont know why, but when fully installed, the clutch wont hit the start sensor. I had to put some washers on the 2 nuts holding the CMC for the clutch pedal to hit the sensor. i have a 2005 acura rsx type s
A few things, The cable is not backwards. This kit is installed properly. I have a braided line and it only goes one way. There's no wrong way to install it.
Also, you need to adjust the "clutch start sensor" which is located on the top of the clutch assembly. Loosen the nut and push the sensor out more so it can reach the new clutch pedal position.
Thank you for sharing your issues! Always here to help but you should check your work before commenting wrong information. I have years of experience, it's not my first time. 😉
Question? How long did it take you to bleed the system from start to finish. I have the vacuum bleeder tool and its forever sucking airbubbles from the slave with clean fluid!
Hey did u ever find a solution to this
Installed the new K-tuned cmc/slave kit today.. and feels AMAZING!! but I did notice that the engagement was a lot higher like you've mentioned.. But when you say "the master cylinder will work less harder" wouldn't pressing it more "deeper" wear it out even faster? especially since it's making the piston actually work harder? I also might buy a set of Hybrid ones just in case these fail.. but from what I hear.. apparently all the cmc's are about the same besides the deleted CDV option.. but as of right now, im happy with the K-tuned cmc kit ;)
How’d it do 2 years later
how was it after 2 years? still good?
Yeah, no issues at all man! Running great. Here's the link if needed.
dc5rparts.com/collections/folder/products/hybrid-racing-clutch-master-cylinder-upgrade-02-06-rsx
are those the original headlights? they look pristine, wish i could get mine looking that good
Thank you, they aren't the original as those were yellow and hazed out. These are our headlights available in our website. www.DC5RParts.com
Did u use the rod that comes with the hybrid racing cmc or swapped it to the stock cmc?
You need to swap it with the stock rod. I didn't show it in the video. EM1/EM2 rods are too long.
My K-tuned CMC and Slave went out I think since Im having issues shifting. When getting this kit here can I use the Rod thats on the K-Tuned? because I don't know what I did with my OEM CMC when I swapped it. Thanks
i find theres a odd problem with sticking pedal with all k clutchs masters even em2 master put oem em1 and aftermarket ones and never had problems since
Where you got the battery arm?
Did u resuse the oem rod and clevis? due to the em1 is longer for fa5 thanks
If you have a DC5 definitely use the stock push rod and clevis
hey bro. what are are the signs bad CMC?
can it cause selecting gear hard at redline? recently my Fn2r clutch got stiff and it's pretty hard to shift at high rpm
ZirZamin production ! Same with my civic idk what I should do I'm gonna start hear it locks me out shifting from 1st to 2nd at high rpm right before vtec no grinding or anything let me know how yours works out and what it is
Did you guys figure out your issues ? I’m having that same issue with my 02 rsx type s
Yea me too know out of no where my trans was locking out so im makign adjustments inleft one thread on the pedal stop and i bring my rod out alittle more
Where did the K-Tuned fail? Because from my research, about 99% of them leak at the 3AN fitting. Also found out they use Exedy cylinders anyways from seeing pics of people receiving "fake" K-Tuned cylinders and me actually buying the Exedy cylinders from Rock Auto and seeing those same casting numbers on them too. I don't know why but those seals inside the fitting just fail. Fittings look to be custom made so it might be out of spec fittings.
My KTuned unit was purchased directly from the KTuned website so there's no chance it was fake.
It failed both at the Slave (Noises) and CMC (stuck at the bottom)
The KTuned units are really poor quality to say the least. Its not just me. It happens to pretty much everyone that buys them. A quick search you'll find a bunch of people complaining online.
Save your money, their system is just hype "quicker shifts" they say lol
@@DC5RParts Oh no, there is no such thing as fake K-Tuned. During their high demand point, they stopped making the cylinders look nice and just sent them as-is with their 3AN fitting on the end. Usually, they would grind off the casting part number that Exedy uses and add in their K-Tuned logo on it. Just the 3AN fitting alone makes it an authentic K-Tuned because no one else makes that fitting.
And I saved a lot of money by making my own K-Tuned kit with the same exact cylinders they use and have been using it since February of 2018. While everyone else, including a friend of mines, had their K-Tuned fail on them after months and only like 5k or less miles on it, I'm still going strong with over 10k miles on my self made kit and it's just a month away before a full year on it. Also instead of spending the $200+ price tag, I only spent $80 TOTAL on just the parts and $20-$30 on a few tools I needed. And all I did was get rid of that fitting with the rubber o-ring inside completely and drilled and tapped it for 1/8 NPT. Then slapped in a 1/8NPT to 3AN fitting and ran a 48" 3AN line from clutch to slave.
Man I'm just amazed that this kit has existed for so many years but no one really figured this out yet. I've only been in the Honda game since December of 2017 when I first got my 13 Civic Si.
@@DC5RParts yah mine failed couple days ago ktuned went down hill iwth the cmc and the slave so ima get hybrid instead
Ktuned CMC kit is just a Exedy rip anyway.. You were prob better off getting Exedy lol.. The Exedy em2 CMC kit with braided lines is the best you can get for our cars along the stock OEM Em2 CMC.
@@kangzuko .. Just go Exedy CMC em2 kit from Valexracing.. By far the best cmc kit.. I would go stock slave if you are 05-06 Type S or just get the Exedy Slave if you 02-04..
Size of the bolt ??????
What slave cylinder did you go with?? And this cmc is for type s?
I'm currently running our exedy kit. dc5rparts.com/collections/parts/products/exedy-clutch-master-cylinder-slave-w-stainless-steel-line-package
hey.. would this help support the pedal feel on breaking too?
What does cmc have anything to do with braking? Nothing
All cmc made with metal piston stems with rubber seals will fail!!!! There is a reason the oems use the plastic composite stems to hold the seals cause the plastic doesn’t score scratch the internal bore it rides in, most if not all aftermarket cmc for our cars use a metal piston stem with rubber seals, these don’t last more than 6 months, there is a reason when your aftermarket cmc fails the fluid is dark and silvery, it’s all that aluminum material being scraped off the internal bore, the one Honda Acura ones made by nissin has plastic piston with rubber seals do not scratch or score the internal bore, in short get oem nissin
Just got mine installed and is it okay if the clutch grabs real high? Like it's not pre loading is it???
Swap out your Stock CMC rod to the new unit.
@@DC5RParts is it mandatory to swap rods?
@@yourtubener for RSX models, yes. Check HR install guides on their website.
@@DC5RParts I have it done on a 8th gen si, God I hope I didnt need that rod
@@yourtubener yea u do for 8th gens as well lol
Pretty sure the clevis is supposed to be swapped for stock one
Did it off camera. Yes it's part of the install steps.
@@DC5RParts well Hows it holding up ? Any different from ktuned ?
It's a OEM part so it works flawlessly. 2 track sessions on it too. No complains.
Both Ktuned CMC and the Slave Cylinder blew with simply driving around town.
Did you have to bench bleed the master cylinder?
I simply did the bleeding progress right on the car. Just have someone help you press the pedal. Like bleeding brakes.
Mind explaining your bleeding steps /process man with a tool like that one used always having trouble bleeding these k series lol
Where did you get the speed bleeder?
You can get a nice speed bleeder at NAPA. They come with angled tips so it's easy to hook up to the Slave cylinder. 👍🏻
Do I need upgraded clutch for upgraded cylinders
No, you don't need an upgraded clutch to use these CMC kits
Did you loosen the clutch interlock switch sensor? And if so how many threads did you leave underneath?
Adjust the clutch safety switch until it touches and starts. Every car is different.
I have a 05 rsx type s did you even touch the switch or did you leave it alone
I got the hybrid racing cmc too gonna install over the weekend
Yes, I did. You have to adjust it because it's a different release point. I didn't go in depth with it on the video.
Also make sure you swap your old CMC shaft onto the Hybrid Racing unit.
Compare both CMC. You'll see the stock unit is shorter than the HR EM1 setup. Just swap it over and you'll be good.
Is this em2 cmc?
Yes
K-tuned is fucking around been though 2 of them in about 2 years leaking issue 😡😡😡😡
Will this CMC work on an EK civic?
im pretty sure this one is only for hondas that came with a kseries or kswaps
I recommend you getting an s2000 clutch master cylinder and adapter. Seems a lot better and reservoir is connect to the master cylinder
Probably NISIN oem CMC, not hybrid racing.
hybrid racing sells oem honda/acura parts. EP3/ DC5 CMCs have a triangular plate that delays shifting so everyone usually does the EM2 CMC swap which is what hybrid racing sells in a bundle with better shifter cables.
Where did you buy this exact bleeder?
You can buy at harbor freight or any auto parts store. It worked just fine. 👍🏻
K-tunes cmc kit is junk! When will people learn
You did not order the complete kit not worth to watch 👎