Sam Seder Easily Debunks Ben Shapiro's Ill-Conceived Homophobic Rant
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Ben Shapiro's bigotry was on full display while poorly justifying the Supreme Court's ruling that business owners can discriminate against LGBTQIA+ customers.
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SELL IT TO WHO, BEN? FUCKING AQUAMAN?!
never gets old
Just about to say.
a true classic!
In Houston, trying to sell a house that has flooded before is a problem. I wish Aquaman was buying properties.
I like warter
"If those crippled people would just get up and walk, there'd be no problem with access to buildings."
- Ben Shapiro
Thats it. That is exactly it.
"If you just hide that you're gay you won't be discriminated against for being gay; problem solved!" - Bench Appearo
"They don't deserve those parking spots." -Ben
"How would anyone know I was Jewish if I didn't wear this silly hat?!" -Shabibo
He never said that.
"I only discriminate when i know someone is gay, so that's alright"
You forgot to mention the initial discriminatory forced servitude.
@@matthewabln6989🤣
So according to BS it would be perfectly acceptable for social media companies to ban all GOP CONS from their platforms because it isn't a ban on them as people but their behavior.
Or all religious folk-
It doesn't work that way in a self righteous mind
it's just another form of projection. Their behavior is the problem, they Choose to be this way. They fight those who don't have a choice to be who they are and label them as the ones choosing their path.
@@MellowMapleon point
...based on their CRIMINAL FRAUD behavior.
How do I know someone is racist if they don't self identify?
"I'm not discriminating against black people I'm just discriminating against them drinking from white water fountains" is basically what Bennie is saying.
Don't worry, they'll tell you.
Just wait a few minutes. Racists have a way of letting you know, loud and clear.
@@john.premose That's a great point -- thank you! 🥰
Trump shirt or hat.
If being trans is an ideology according to Little Benny, then discrimination against trans people would be solidly a 1st Amendment violation because you're discriminating against their ideology, their closely held beliefs.
yeah, except that implies that the right wing is at all moved by arguments exposing their hyporicy.
republicans: "nooooo, that's not fair, you're not supposed to use my own hypocritical logic against me! That's not fair! You're attacking me!"
If I remember correctly, that's in the 1st amendment.
The first amendment only protects against government discrimination based on speech. That's it. Private actors are and should be perfectly allowed to discriminate against others based on their views - that's actually the entire basis of cancel culture you lefties revel in
Idk if u know this but u are allowed to discriminate against someone because of their beliefs in many different contexts. Its just very specific types of beliefs that are protected.
I'm gay af. Certain things about me are stereotypically gay....i work in fashion, I like Madonna songs...whatever.
And growing up in the 80s, certainly everything i saw and heard should probably have convinced me not to be gay...IF that were possible! But it's NOT!
Its not a choice. Unbelievable we're still having this ridiculous conversation.
What do you do in fashion?
If it’s a choice, then Ben should choose to suck a dick. (Which I have no doubt he secretly enjoys.)
I’m straight. I tried having sex with women because I love women, but unfortunately it didn’t do the trick and I’m stuck with men. Boo! Dating a gay man would probably be fun, but again, we would both be disappointed in bed.
@@MichaelTurner856 Why do you care to know?
We're still sadly having these conversations because people like Ben lack emotional intelligence and imagination like normal human beings. The lack of empathy and being unable to imagine a different lifestyle outside their own or even to self-reflect enough to recognise aspects of their own lives in others means they can't grasp anything beyond their own tiny experience.
Sadly, these incomplete humans are elevated to soapboxes and huge platforms by billionaires in order to influence other incomplete humans.
I woke up one day and chose to be trans and that makes me gay, so.. idk
Nobody tell Ben he’s unconsciously using “they/them” in the singular. “How would you know THEY were gay unless THEY told you.”
Wait until he finds out “you”, “I”, and “me” are also pronouns….
Ha ha, good point!
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I hate BS but, they is also a plural pronoun. Lots of men went to the store = THEY went to the store.
There's thousands of arguments against him, pick a real criticism
Also wouldn't circumcision count as gender affirming?
I'm gay but I'm a little behind on how to "behave" gay. Maybe there's a manual for that? I mean apart from maybe nailing someone in the ass, I can't see how 'behaving gay' is anything other than just my normal behavior. Driving a car, buying groceries, drinking water? Is that gay behavior?
I've got some bad news for you about how a lot of straight couples have sex too.
Just behave like the main character of a John Waters movie. That's how you guys are identified.
But seriously, every time Shapiro opens his mouth he proves he's a twerp.
I mean, you're supposed to do all those things just extra fabulously.
It's been proven that all gay people eat, so, yea, buying groceries is gay behavior. :)
@@ChristianMission Everybody acts pretty gay at parades for every occasion.
Seriously asking: What drug is this guy on?
Some sort of stimulant
Hypocrisy
Distilled hate for everyone
Conservative Judaism
Money.
Does Ben realize that this means his wife is not a doctor, but a person who happens to regularly perform surgeries?
Not to mention his wife could be perceived as a desert. Since she's so dry, according to him.
Correction. She’s only dry with him. Her dryness says something about Ben, not about his wife.
@@tinstrings6312 she does not need a bucket and a mop. At least not when she's with her husband...
@@Thezuule1She told him she didn't get W.A.P. because he couldn't get wood,so he went to Home Depot.
hahhah, he clearly means one thing but yall pretend to not understand, ugh. Changin slightly the argument he made to your favor to win an imaginary debate in your head and pat yourself on the back while saying “hahha what a dummy”.
"It's okay if you're gay, just don't ACT gay" basically Ben just wants us all in the closet, and if you're one of those people who has a very hard time hiding your sexuality, or you're a heterosexual person who reads to some as being gay, well you're SOL.
That's his public opinion. When he's being honest, he admits he wants all gay people in prison.
@@dr.professor5229 Wow, is this really true? Or mostly speculation?
@@Terra_Lopezgay people turning him on is a real problem for him. The fault always falls upon the object of desire.
@@jewdy8915 Good point! Like in Saudi Arabia and similar countries where women have to cover their whole bodies and faces so as not to trigger the 'lusts of men'.
Ben is just mad because he can't identify as a bigot without being called out about it. The only discrimination that should exist is against those who don't see the shift of history happening. Ben and his religious fundy friends are the minority; they can't stand being out of power. Hence the "silent majority" BS that Reagan allowed to prosper
I'm a 53 year gay adult male. This means that I used to be a gay adolescent, a gay child, a gay toddler, a gay infant, a gay fetus, and a gay zygote.
It also means you make closeted bigots horny and jealous. Any woman can tell you that if our bodies turn a man on, it’s our fault and our responsibility to make sure it doesn’t happen. Same goes for your fabulous body!
Not according to this chowderhead. According to Benny-Boy, you were indoctrinated by Satan-cultists working directly for Hollywood and George Soros. It's the ol' "They Can't Breed, So They Have To Recruit" canart Anita Bryant never shut up about. Nothing new under the sun.
There aren't really gay zygotes, just like there aren't straight zygotes. Just genetic predispositions. The fact that we develop into having a sexuality doesn't make sexuality a more mutable part of a person though. The stardust we're all made of is phenomenally gay though.
@@gilberthamilton9312 I’m a gay zygote. What now?! That’s right - I’m a fertilized egg cell and I am flaunting down the runway! Hair to the Gods, 9 inch heels and my cleavage, don’t get me started on it!
Cells are gay ?
I kept seeing Shapiro and thought the video was sped up. After several videos, I see that’s just how he talks. What a ridiculous little man.
His rant about homosexuality being "behavioral" and "not being an objective state of the world that is visible to everyone else," and subsequently coming to the conclusion that therefore gay people should not be a "protected class," is very strange. By that logic, the right to practice religion shouldn't be enshrined in the law either.
Edit: Damn paused the video to type this comments, only for Sam to say the exact same thing the second I unpaused it lol
Lol that happens to me a lot!
Claiming homosexuality as enviromental behavior means the possible erasure of heterosexuality and its presumed naturality. Political lesbians and queer theorists used this argument very much in the 70s
That's not what Ben is saying. Ben is saying that there is a distinction between being black vs being gay in the sense "being gay" is referring to a set of behavioral characteristics whereas being black has nothing to do with behavioral characteristics but instead only physical characteristics. If "being gay" is a protected class, then that means we are forcing people to accept a set of behaviors, not some physical characteristic of being.
I have a lexicon issue with English, straight is something that it is not bent, curved or crooked. And mentally straight is associated with cleanliness, rectitude, correct, right, just word association. So if you are heterosexual you are “straight” and look at the connotations, the opposite of straight is what it is non-heterosexual. The use of straight as synonyms of heterosexual should be culturally faced out to avoid the implications of using this word.
@@ottobormann I completely agree.
"If Ben Shapiro was an android, you'd send him back to the company for an adjustment."
Can't remember who said it, but it's true.
Turn down the uptight hyperactive chipmunk settings? Who is up in everyone else's business, wanting to make decisions for us over what we can do in private?
@@Terra_Lopez I like to believe a few hard slaps would reset him; but that's just my farmer ancestry coming out. My liberal progressive inclinations say I should mock him in front of other people until he blows up. I'm a bit divided.
Are we sure he isn't?
Jamie pull that up
@@Uncanny_Mountain Nice JR reference!
Robotnocchio™
"How would they even know if they were gay?" It's not even about if the person is actually gay, it's about being identified: "othered", and discriminated against, by the bigot for their perception. This can literally even be done to straight people. The lady who just won the anti lgbtq case didn't even have a gay client, they were perceived, or likely made up flat out. I wonder if Benny realizes there would still be a perception, and discrimination by bigots, of two straight guys being gay if they were to hold hands, show affection, dress a certain way, sound a certain way.
You hit the nail on the head with the holding hands part.
One of the members of the “gay couple” named in the lawsuit is literally a straight man in a heterosexual marriage. He didn’t even know he was named in the lawsuit until just recently, which is honestly a failure of not just journalsim but also the legal system that they didn’t look into the validity of the claim being made.
This nazi scotus is a real problem. We are so fucked...
Benzo realizes that. This is just another of his cynical bad faith arguments.
I'm reminded of the recent viral video of the cis-gender woman who was thrown out of a public women's bathroom because some pearl-clutching sentient fossils screeched about her not being a woman based on her non-feminine clothing (hoodie and pants).
Telling gay people to "just behave" is a really stupid argument to make. If we reverse it and say that "hetero people just need to behave" suddenly they would cry out how discriminating it would be.
That's why they do it
Gaslighting, aka Grooming. Accusation in a mirror (AiM), mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or mirror argument is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one's adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting.
During the 1994 Rwandan genocide, accusation in a mirror was used by the Hutus, along with other propaganda techniques, to incite the genocide in 1999.
A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question. Begging the question is also called arguing in a circle.
Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, *appeal to common sense* or the *_Divine fallacy_* (that is, pretending to be Omniscient, and able to know things you cannot know) is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine, as if your beliefs have any empirical or tangible values
The Gish gallop /ˈɡɪʃ ˈɡæləp/ is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm their opponent by providing an excessive number of arguments with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality.
Bullshivic
(Bolshevik, bull, civic-minded, demagogue), someone who gains political power by appealing to people's emotion's instincts, & prejudices in a way that is considered manipulative & myopic; someone who incessantly reiterates the same petty complaints, until they are taken seriously.
There are citizens with valid complaints & issues, but invariably the meeting will have to deal with some Bullshivic & his personal gripe of "supreme importance".
*Gaslighting is a psychological term used to describe* the process of *grooming* someone into believing that they are losing it or going crazy. *Gaslighting a child is perhaps the most egregious form of child abuse.*
Gaslighting is a common form of emotional/psychological abuse and can be used as a tactic in *grooming* children for abuse. The term comes from Gaslight (1944) a movie where the technique is used by the characters. *Gaslighting is sometimes also called “crazy making”.*
*In the context of child sexual abuse (CSA) the **_gaslighting_** is often used to convince the victim all the abusive behaviours are fine, normal and an expression of “love”. It is used to ensure the victim doesn’t speak out about it and doesn’t fight back. It can also be used in concert with other **_grooming_** tactics like fear and isolation.*
*Trivializing: The victim’s feels are made to feel like they don’t matter, are **_unfounded_** or they are weak for thinking so.*
*Countering: This is quintessential gaslighting. * They _directly counter the memories and perceptions of the victim._
*Repetitive Questions: The abusive partner makes the victim doubt what they think or feel by asking the same question multiple times.* Questions are asked so many times the victim doubts their own answers.
*Diverting: The abuser diverts the subject and puts the blame into outside circumstances.*
"What Others Say": The abuser tells the victim what other people "think" about the victim, the abuser and/or the situation on whole.
Literally what all Right Wing Fascist talking points are doing, making claims and arguments, asking questions that all rely on an unproven premise, which stumps the opponent because it's a logical fallacy. They then pretend to declare victory, knowing full well their crimes because the innocent don't know to lie.
This is their entire toolkit, it's all reverse psychology, and Psychological warfare, perfected in Palestine, exported to the West. Republicans are Authoritarian Communists, America is a People's Democratic Republic with a Constitution, just like China, Iran, N Korea, and the USSR.
All of which have _less_ inequality.
Patriotism and Communism are Synonyms, they just Orwelled us into believing we were Capitalists, when in fact it's the rich leeching off the working class.
This is why we must call for Direct Digital Democracy without parties or politicians. Citizen initiated referendums with thresholds and a social contract means Communities can vote their own laws. As well as a Public Authority to audit police and prosecute bad actors in our own courts.
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Or more to the point: "It's ok if you ARE Jewish, but it's not ok if you ACT Jewish."
According to BS that's a very valid reason to discriminate.
That’s not what was said. You hear a Marxist talk and hear what you want to hear. Your sexuality is NOT who you are. You and everyone who listens to this sick propaganda are completely disgusting. You will feel the results of this programming and I won’t be there to help you, sicko.
@@Uncanny_Mountain LGBTQ people are NOT groomers. Seriously.
Gay people do that. They do tell straight people how to behave. I'm not allowed to be neutral. If I don't participate in your nonsense I am a phone. If I am not an ally I am endanger of violent action taken against me. Because I don't want government money spent on celebrating holidays that I don't identify with. Gays are hypocrites.
Ben thinks being a gay is a choice because it is for him.
bingo!
exactly
Margret Cho said something to this effect in a comedy sketch years ago. Something like "People think being gay is a choice, and it's not. And, if you think that it is a choice then youuuuuu...... are gay."
Ben decided not to be gay so he did his duty and made those kids. But at least she wasn’t wet when it happened. That would’ve grossed him out
Ben also thinks sexual arousal in women is a medical-condition. Because all he knows about sex and sexuality is "It's weird and scary and gross, therefore evil unless it's for making babies." He's basically a ten-year-old who got the sh*t kicked out of him for sneaking into Daddy's hidden stash of old nudie-magazines. An emotionally-stunted man-child who supports fascism because fascism is an ideology created by and FOR emotionally-stunted adult children like himself. Yeah, did you know Hitler's favorite books were fantasy-Westerns written for teenage boys? It's true... google "Karl May."
If someone held a gun to Ben Shapiro's head and told him to stop being straight, I wonder how easily Ben would get out of that situation since he can just flip his sexuality on or off like a switch
Why would someone choose to be something that many law makers are trying to ban?
Because people rather be who they want to be regardless of lawmakers and political commentators discriminating against them.
@@jeremiahbarnes6313 I understand that BS’s comment are completely stupid. Human sexuality is very complex. The idea that sexuality is based on behavior than nature makes no sense.
@@captain1jones354 dunno man, seen some stuff...
"If you just hide that you're gay you won't be discriminated against for being gay; problem solved!" - Bench Appearo
"It's not discrimination against gay people. It's discrimination against certain behaviors, by people who just so happen to be gay. They would be just as discriminated against if a straight person had done it. That's all that the Supreme Court has said. If you engage in certain behaviors, then you *can* be discriminated against... For instance, getting gay married. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight, it's the *behavior* that's being discriminated against."
-a doctor's husband
That has got to be the most rediculuos thing I have heard.
Some people marry into money, but never stop acting poor. Ben married into intelligence.
100% Emma. 🏳️⚧️ Sam, Thank you so much for standing up for our community! 🏳️🌈
He doesn't discriminate
I guess Ben is saying he's choosing to act straight, it's not an inherent state of being. Revealing...
All humans are inherently straight and attracted to the opposite sex according to our human genetic information.
He’s really making it hard for himself to hire rent boys or get hook ups on Grindr. It’s only a matter of time before he is exposed by some brave Bear he met at a truck stop who he didn’t pay quite enough to keep his dirty secrets.
*This* is him acting straight?
Yikes. That's some Kristen Stewart-level acting right there.
Thats always been the funiest thing to me, if your straight and are choosing to be so, your not straight your bisexual but are choosing to only pursue the opposite gender. As a straight dude its never been a choice between men and women, its only ever been women. The only choice ive ever made is which woman i want to pursue.
@@ProperlyGaming 100%.
The mental gymnastics you gotta go through to support legal discrimination is bonkers. ESPECIALLY considering if certain brands of conservatism got their way he'd be discriminated against himself. I hope the money is worth it, Ben.
This coming from the same conservatives who say, "We can always tell!"
What confuses me is even his basic premise is stupid. That's not the only way someone would know someone else is gay. It's not even hard to think of easy examples where that wouldn't be the case. But he couldn't be bothered to think that we now live in a world of social media where you can go search to find information about possible customers. Sure, that's probably not a step most people would bother following through with unless perhaps you're a zealot who thinks the person trying to buy a cake from you MIGHT be gay.
But even still there's an obvious other way people could know about your personal life... And it's just that small towns exist. Where everyone knows everybody else's business. In fact just thinking about that has me horrified by the thought of how I gay teenager could be treated in a small town that is heavily conservative. They wouldn't be able to escape anywhere. They'd get bullied from kids at school and after school they could be denied service by those kids parents.
99% of issues involving discrimination boils down to: "don't be an asshole." Just treat people with respect, regardless of what you do or don't know about them, and you won't have an issue. You're not going to get in trouble for misgendering a stranger in a bagel shop or fucking whatever. If you make a mistake you can just be like "oh sorry" and correct yourself and that'll be the end of it. People make mistakes all the time in social interactions, if you aren't going out of your way to intentionally harass or discriminate against somebody there's not going to be an issue.
If everybody did this all the time, there wouldn't be any republicans. That's the basis for the whole ideology. My right to be the most maximum asshole I can be is more important than anybody else's right to anything and everything else.
Ben peaked when he graduated high school at 16.
I have a lexicon issue with English, straight is something that it is not bent, curved or crooked. And mentally straight is associated with cleanliness, rectitude, correct, right, just word association. So if you are heterosexual you are “straight” and look at the connotations, the opposite of straight is what it is non-heterosexual. The use of straight as synonyms of heterosexual should be culturally faced out to avoid the implications of using this word.
When you really slow Benny down he starts to sound more stupid than morally bankrupt
Where I come from Ben actually is talking slow and you are right he is stupid and morally bankrupt.
Lol like anyone actually thinks "no! I'm ok with gay people, I just oppose their gay actions!"
Also in response to Ben's point regarding the business not knowing that you're gay. I challenge anyone to go buy a wedding cake and not mention their significant other in any capacity whatsoever.
Ben is such a pseudo intellectual cause wtf was that word salad in the beginning
Someone once told me that he talks fast so that people won't catch on to his bullsh-t.
He's basically saying, "Don't act so gay in front of me, I might catch the gay!"
@@aggressiveattitudeera887it's the Gish Gallop.
I've got to say, I didn't expect the Spanish inquisition
It's a fundamental mischaracterization to say that anti-discrimination laws are about "forcing people to accept" whatever the thing they want to discriminate. You can accept it or not; that's up to you. But you DO have to respect their civil rights. Hey Ben: if businesses are allowed to discriminate against the "behavior" of being queer, then the government can "discriminate" against the behavior of denying them service on that basis.
Except we can discriminate against you if we find it morally repugnant. And we do, and we will.
How is it morally repugnant?
@@andrerodney454 really?
Try again you can do better
@@DefineHatespeech do what better? Please be more specific?
I'm glad Sam brought up the comparison to the Spanish inquisition, because it reminded me of an old Catholic policy of how to deal with religious minorities (e.g. Jews and Muslims). Basically, they're to be semi-tolerated, but marginalized and censored in the public sphere. Kinda like how conservatives want to treat LGBTQ+ folks these days.
I wasn't expecting it!
Old Catholic policy, not in place anymore. However, there are right wing Catholics like Leonard Leo who pine for the days of the Spanish Inquisition.
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320 Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" We could probably use some Monty Python right now.
Yes, exactly -- good point!
When it comes to Ben Shapiro, when is it not a rant? None of it ever invokes him and he rants as if his feelings and livelihood was on the line. He's grifting to people who don't even like him.
Ben Shapiro treats psychology as some imprecise and unstable part of our existence, as if we can never accept what a person says about themselves as true.
Do we allow people who indentify as anorexic to starve to death?
Except when it comes to his ideology and beliefs
Or, as if personality traits do not exist. To put it better. There is no such thing as individuality.
Religion homogenizes people, but i doubt it can go that far.
@@lukeriely4468 you must not actually know any religions people.
@@kathleenmahoney7650 I was (and still am) an ordained Christian minister. The nature of penning a congragatiin into the "fold" by shepherding them through a series of beliefs that bind them is just a fraction of the process used to homogenise large groups of people. Politics has the same cult based facets.
I am a psychologist, so don't bother me with your subjective opinions. The objective science does not care about your subjective opinions.
it blows my mind that anyone says that one chooses their sexuality. It's really easy to test... you can try it. Go look at a picture of whatever gender you're not attracted to and try to find it attractive. No matter what you do, you can't. You're just not that into it. You can even go kiss somebody, or go on a date with somebody, or heck even go all the way, and you're still going to be like "...meh, that wasn't really my jam" (or maybe you find out it IS your jam, but that's not really the same thing).
I don't really like the whole "homophobes are secretly gay" narrative, cause I don't think it's true and I think it can be harmful. But like.. if a religious person truly _does_ think being gay is a choice, aren't they basically admitting that they'd totally be gay if it wasn't a "sin"? Cause I can't think of any other way it makes sense. I can't rationalize it any other way; I suppose I should have applying logic would be a fruitless endeavor😂
They don't care about the logic of their hate. It's just that pathologizing something you hate is a really easy/old trick to get people to fear it, to make said thing seem like something that could effect them even if it doesn't/wouldn't.
All Humans are born with genetic information to be attracted to the opposite sex. We know this is the case because 98% of humans identify as straight. If we were given genetic code to make us attracted to the same sex, we would not be able to pro-create. LGBT is outside the norm. It is 100% a behavior NOT an identity. There's not a man alive, gay or straight, that hasn't been attracted to a women at some point in their lives. It's just being dishonest when people say they were born LGBT, it's not possible.
@@rs72098🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Some of these people protest too much. And I think lots of people are on some kind of bi spectrum. I have always been attracted to women, except I did feel attraction to a guy ONCE and it's actually in my top 5 strongest attractions. It was no big deal though, it was just an attraction, I really don't think I'd enjoy sex with a man, so I didn't think much of it. But if I was still fundamentally religious, I would have freaked the fuck out. And I believe many conservatives have had a moment of gay attraction, suppress it, and think they beat back Satan's temptations. In their view, walking with god will lead to less temptation, so they would believe gay men were just like them, but didn't stand strong against temptation. They don't really think there are guys out there with a natural attraction to men the way they're attracted to women. They think it's sexual perversion from giving in to aberrant behavior too often.
@rs
I have never, ever (on my most beloved grandmother's soul RIP) been attracted to any woman ever, real or imagined. I have always known I was gay in some way since I was a little kid. I don't know where you get your information but I'm a psych major and one of my text books literally said that even though we cannot exactly pinpoint the determining factor for sexual orientation right now, more and more evidence points to a biological origin.
Benny keeps trying to con us into believing he's finally escaped puberty because of that spray-on beard...the voice don't lie.
"Is Ben Shapiro straight? Or are only his actions straight?" 🎯
The only mistake you made was debating hysterical chipmunk on acid. They only understand one language - dominance. There are liberals. There are leftists. They keep calling all of us leftists. Why not live up to the name? It's not playing the game on their terms. It's putting the yapping little dogs in their places.
We are fighting for Liberty, hence the name liberal. Rethuglicons are fighting for a Nazi cult.
Great points! I especially appreciate your observation that "They only understand one language - dominance." That's something I've been observing, too.
@@Terra_Lopez
Eat or be eaten 🤷♀️
If ben was on acid maybe he'd actually express compassion for once lol
@@David-kx7tz I dunno. He'd probably be that guy. Seeing gawd and stuff.
Without even getting into tangential arguments about identity and how this relates to other protected classes, his primary argument doesn't even stand up on its own. It can be deconstructed even on the terms he's set. "This isn't discrimination against the identity, it's discrimination against a behavior." Okay. What behavior? Getting married? This website designer isn't objecting to the behavior of getting married. She would happily design a website for a straight couple. So the behavior is marrying someone of the same sex? Is this a behavior that any straight person has done or would do? No. It's a behavior that's **exclusive to** LGBTQ+ people. Therefore, it's not the behavior or actions that is being discriminated against; it's the group of people engaging in that same behavior that another group of people are allowed to engage in without discrimination.
At which point this does dovetail back into your train of thought about identities, and you can list an infinite number of examples of how this ties into race, religion, and other protected classes. Eating at the luncheon counter while black? It's just the behavior! Marrying a white woman as a black man? That's just an action, it has nothing to do with his identity! Etc. etc.
Exactly!
There really is so much wrong with Ben’s view. A major jurisprudential factor has to do with why a behavior might be discriminated against. Because it’s even broader than you say - even if certain behaviors were not exclusive to LGBTQ+ people or uniform amongst them, but still very much associated with them, those behaviors might still be protected.
In Canada a couple years ago there was a case regarding Sikhism - for part of the year, their religion calls for wearing a ceremonial knife, I think it was for an entire month, and it’s a pretty large knife and this posed a problem for Sikh’s going into government buildings. In America, it may jurisprudentially be ruled that wearing said knife is a dangerous behavior, and therefore there is a plausible reason to discriminate against the behavior independent of the religious view. Importantly, it could be argued there is (a) a good reason to believe that it is truly not the protected characteristic being discriminated against and (b) there is a jurisprudential argument that this form of discrimination is overall productive for society.
The obvious problem with, say, discriminating against gay men who exhibit effeminate behaviors, is that it is really difficult to imagine a reasonable person agreeing that there is ever a valid reason to do so. It really doesn’t matter that effeminate behaviors aren’t exhibited by all gay men or are even necessarily exclusive to gay men. The problem would be that (1) it is difficult to imagine a reason that is productive to society for this form of discrimination and therefore (2) a protected characteristic is being discriminated against for no reason.
@@murquhart86 You're 100% correct.
When I see Ben Shapiro, I think of those cops at this Jimi Hendrix concert. They were harassing these kids in the front row and Jimi walked up to the microphone and said " Don't get yourselves aressted, don't get aressted, it's not worth it ! They are just living in the past, LIVING IN THE PAST !!!
Perfect!
Hey Emma, there are some "progressive" RUclips news hosts that could use a lesson on not assigning ideology to all trans people.
I was looking for this comment. I'm so disappointed in TYT 🫤
@@artieche9 I walked away from that lib shitshow a long time ago. P.S. if you're not wearing a mask, you're just as disappointing.
Even racial discrimination is heavily based on behavior. How you talk, how you walk, how you dress, etc all contribute to how people perceive your race. And the major reason racists do the racism is because of the negative behaviors stereotyped to black people.
Not only race but caste and educational level as well. Based on people's behavior. Why white people look down on "white trash".
Racial discrimination is based on race. That’s why is called racial discrimination.
@@captain1jones354 and race has several behavioral characteristics, stereotypical or otherwise.
min 5:00 "you're black whether you feel black or you dont" Hmm...Who determines these labels in the first place? As far as I know "race" is NOT science, it is purely ideological. The entire American construct of "race" was originally based on the British Colonial Race Model which enshrined protection/privilege for the Northern European phenotype. 🤔
So is Religeous discrimination
Emma just said exactly what I was thinking! Ben Shapiro gives me big twink energy. He's homosexual. He's just choosing not to express it.
Excellent satire, I see your point. Nobody, gay or straight, is good at identifying someone's sexual orientation just by observing their behavior or listening to them speak.
"Discrimination against behaviors conducted by someone who happens to be gay"
Ah yes, the depraved behavior of wanting to have a website made for your gay marriage. I guess Ben thinks websites are a kink, can't think of another reason he'd be against this.
Funny thing. Nobody ask for a website in the lawsuit. It was an hypothetical gay couple.
@@somik-i3xNot hypothetical, fake. The guy is actually straight and married to a woman, and he can make his own website if he wanted (he's a Web designer).
@@bunnybreaker Is that even legal then? I mean the case. I thought supreme court cases could not be rooted in lies or hypotheticals.
@@mackayladavis4021 Seems like the supreme court is doing a bunch of illegal, immoral, and corrupt stuff lately.
@@mackayladavis4021Yeah, it's incredibly bizarre that the web designer had standing in that case. Really makes it clear how biased the current bench of the court is.
Ben: I don’t agree with pride self identify
Also ben: wears a Jew hat 🎩💴💴💴🎉🎉
“But you wouldn’t know unless I told you”
*"Im not discriminating against you because youre Christian, im discriminating against you because you do Christian stuff."*
**VS**
*"Im not discriminating against you because youre gay, im discriminating against you because you do gay stuff."*
Yeah, Republicans can barely read. I doubt they can follow that complex logic.
It's amazing how Ben doesn't make the religion connection. Would love to see Sam ask him about this in a debate
He knows full well
Gaslighting, aka Grooming. Accusation in a mirror (AiM), mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or mirror argument is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one's adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting.
During the 1994 Rwandan genocide, accusation in a mirror was used by the Hutus, along with other propaganda techniques, to incite the genocide in 1999.
A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question. Begging the question is also called arguing in a circle.
Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, *appeal to common sense* or the *_Divine fallacy_* (that is, pretending to be Omniscient, and able to know things you cannot know) is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine, as if your beliefs have any empirical or tangible values
The Gish gallop /ˈɡɪʃ ˈɡæləp/ is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm their opponent by providing an excessive number of arguments with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality.
Bullshivic
(Bolshevik, bull, civic-minded, demagogue), someone who gains political power by appealing to people's emotion's instincts, & prejudices in a way that is considered manipulative & myopic; someone who incessantly reiterates the same petty complaints, until they are taken seriously.
There are citizens with valid complaints & issues, but invariably the meeting will have to deal with some Bullshivic & his personal gripe of "supreme importance".
*Gaslighting is a psychological term used to describe* the process of *grooming* someone into believing that they are losing it or going crazy. *Gaslighting a child is perhaps the most egregious form of child abuse.*
Gaslighting is a common form of emotional/psychological abuse and can be used as a tactic in *grooming* children for abuse. The term comes from Gaslight (1944) a movie where the technique is used by the characters. *Gaslighting is sometimes also called “crazy making”.*
*In the context of child sexual abuse (CSA) the **_gaslighting_** is often used to convince the victim all the abusive behaviours are fine, normal and an expression of “love”. It is used to ensure the victim doesn’t speak out about it and doesn’t fight back. It can also be used in concert with other **_grooming_** tactics like fear and isolation.*
*Trivializing: The victim’s feels are made to feel like they don’t matter, are **_unfounded_** or they are weak for thinking so.*
*Countering: This is quintessential gaslighting. * They _directly counter the memories and perceptions of the victim._
*Repetitive Questions: The abusive partner makes the victim doubt what they think or feel by asking the same question multiple times.* Questions are asked so many times the victim doubts their own answers.
*Diverting: The abuser diverts the subject and puts the blame into outside circumstances.*
"What Others Say": The abuser tells the victim what other people "think" about the victim, the abuser and/or the situation on whole.
Literally what all Right Wing Fascist talking points are doing, making claims and arguments, asking questions that all rely on an unproven premise, which stumps the opponent because it's a logical fallacy. They then pretend to declare victory, knowing full well their crimes because the innocent don't know to lie.
This is their entire toolkit, it's all reverse psychology, and Psychological warfare, perfected in Palestine, exported to the West. Republicans are Authoritarian Communists, America is a People's Democratic Republic with a Constitution, just like China, Iran, N Korea, and the USSR.
All of which have _less_ inequality.
Patriotism and Communism are Synonyms, they just Orwelled us into believing we were Capitalists, when in fact it's the rich leeching off the working class.
This is why we must call for Direct Digital Democracy without parties or politicians. Citizen initiated referendums with thresholds and a social contract means Communities can vote their own laws. As well as a Public Authority to audit police and prosecute bad actors in our own courts.
Thorium energy renders their global energy monopoly obsolete
Why don’t Sam and Emma ask Ben Sharpiro for a debate? Because they don’t want to be embarrassed.
@@kathleenmahoney7650Because like me Ben's voice is annoying.
He must lay awake at night thinking up new arguments.
He's been debunked on every hypothesis he's ever come up with (his actual scientific arguments), while everything else is subjective trite. So, why is he still streaming? Sense of superiority, perhaps?
@kathleenmahoney7650 like his debate with Andrew Neil? Ben can only argue on emotion. He refuses to put points forward and allow replies without heating the debate and pushing an ignorant argument.
Aside from those points, everything he says is based on subjective beliefs and one can hardly debate subjective opinions like academics study and debate object facts.
What do you expect. His wages come from the Koch brothers.
Love Emma’s take on how people who call trans people and ally’s “trans activist” to dehumanize and to portray trans rights as an agenda or belief system. Cenk and Ana have a lot to learn.
If you still look to emma to hear her take after she showed how inept she is on most of these issues when debating Tim pool, I guess you are going to be lost forever.
@@justsaying3223 Tim was the host, did you actually watch the debate?
@@nimrodery I did but she was going back and forth with Tim a lot and when he came with a rebuttal, most if the time she responded by saying she wasn't well versed.
@@justsaying3223 Tim shouldn't have been talking, mostly. Remember when he got so mad he inspired a mass shooting, he tried to pretend Sam had done the same?
Yes. It's like saying "angry black(person)" or "shrill woman." Really nothing more than a way of refusing to engage with what someone is saying, not based on the content of their words, but instead purely by the use of stereotyping.
When people say that people choose to be gay or trans, I ask them when they chose to be straight.
Because male and female is the key to reproduction. That’s what god made man and women for. Can’t reproduce in a highly homsexual society. Gotta think a little more than that.
Plenty of immutable characteristics have real world actions that alter their behavior from a norm. Tall people have to bend down, have products made for them thst thry buy and use that accommodate their immutable characteristic. Ben acting like being gay isn't an immutable characteristics is odd, simply with the logic that it's actionable. Even if I never acted on myself being gay, I would still have those feelings. Just like a tall person is still tall even if they don't duck down to avoid a tree branch they're walking into.
This all boils down to degeneracy for them, and they will jump through any hoops to do whatever it takes to eradicate all the things that fall under that label for them, which we all know where that leads, because you can't eradicate "degeneracy" without eradicating people.
Pause it. Sam there is a difference between a culture & ethically Jewish & a religious Jewish. What Ben is referring to os religiously Jewish when he speaks about Judaism. Its not complicated to understand the difference.
According to Ben’s “logic,” a business owner can discriminate against Christians or Jews not because they happen to be Christian or Jewish, but because they engage in religious actions & practices that are against the business owner’s beliefs. 🤔
My guess is Shapiro would disagree with this, but it’s exactly what he’s saying. I can’t believe anyone thinks he’s intelligent.
Actually Ben has 0 problem with discrimination of any type. Including based on religion.
That mean his entire town could ban him and his family from every service because he is jewish and he will not react.
Only kids younger than 12 believe Shapiro is intelligent. 🤣🤣🤣
And, on the "choice" issue, religion is NOT an immutable characteristic of people. If it were immutable, there'd never be converts to any faith. Cassius Clay wasn't always Muslim. Bob Dylan made a very public conversion from Judaism to Evangelical Christianity (he recorded several albums in the late 70s/early 80s that were heavily oriented to Christianity). Madonna was raised Catholic but she's explored Kabbala.
Thank you for understanding the issues of trans and gay people. The haters see us as non-human and not important. The exact same way black people were treated back in the day. I'm trans and black. I have felt the hate spewing from all directions. I am so thankful for your channel and your support.
@Gigabradchad69
As you use a mentally ill trope.
Irony
Gay or trans is a biological condition like cis and straight.
@@Gigabradchad69 Who's mentally ill? I compared the oppression of trans people not mentally ill people. I will continue comparing it. Hate is hate. Bigotry is bigotry. Lynchings are lynchings. That's part of the problem. Some of our black community don't see discrimination of trans as wrong. Now that we've overcome let's close our eyes to the struggles of the trans people. Such hypocrisy.
🤣
@@Gigabradchad69Being trans is not a mental illness. It is a state of being just like being born black or left handed. It is not listed as a mental illness on the DSM-V which is the structure of diagnosis of mental illness and the affirmation of trans people is backed by 300 scientific institutions
@@Gigabradchad69Also Black trans women have been disproportionately killed more than any other type of Trans person. That's why the Black Lives Matter Movement stands with them and will hold up signs that say "Black Trans Lives Matter"
This is a little less direct, but is perhaps even dumber than the “sell your flooded house” moment if for no other reason than that Ben is Jewish, probably the most discriminated against (or at least notoriously discriminated against) religions in history.
For a long time it was believed that being left handed was bad and a choice. Children were forced to use their right hand. In some cultures it could be dangerous. Being gay is no more a choice than being left handed and the only behavior of being gay is being attracted to people of the same gender. There is no other “gay behavior “ any more than there is “ straight behavior “ .
I was half-way expecting the Hbomberguy's skit when Sam said "play this"
They don’t choose to be gay. They ARE gay. Just as importantly, the presentation of being who they are affects absolute no one negatively, in any real sense.
Someone please tell Benny-boi that saying stupid things fast doesn't make them any less stupid. Also, enough with the "quote-unquote" garbage, he doesn't know how to use quotes. He's the verbal equivalent of Don Jr. waving his fingers around like he's letting out his repressed inner Playboy bunny.
Can I deny service to Shapiro for having attended a bar mitzvah?
I'm not discriminating against him for being Jewish, just for his "behavior" as a Jew.
Ben thinks gayness only comes down to action because he is also gay, and has same sex attraction, but hes different because he doesnt act on it. Classic closet case argument
That's why his wife doesn't orgasm.
As usual people like Shapiro believes homosexuals choose” to be homosexuals. One doesn’t wake up one day and sayI think I want to be gay. I would then ask Shapiro “do you remember when you decided to be straight?”
“A tax on yarmulkes is a tax on Jews” - Antonin Scalia.
That was RBG.
I follow Shapiro for quite a few time
But now i am in shock about his views... i am appelled/horrified... he is full of hate ans this Brett Cooper too. Antitrans, antigay and he denies antisemitism? Omg... 😢😢😢
Ben Shapiro's whole argument goes in the trash if he thinks that religion should be protected class. Too bad he, a conservative public intellectual that talks about religion and politics continuously, hasn't thought as deeply about this issue as I did in the 30 seconds I spent listening to his rant.
Oh wait you all just brought up this point too lol
Ben Shapeño: "If people can't tell that you are gay, you _have_ to tell them, so that they can discriminate against you!" 😘💖
Also, this video is one of the worst offenders of Shapeño saying: This isacaseof efwerfwrfwr, becse wersfrwef, while wefgwkj spkng fst asdfwefw me intlgnt qefeqwf 😁
“There is confusion that arises when it comes to LGBT+ issues.”
No there isn’t, Pinnochio. You are the issue.
Why is there a Epoch Times anti lgbtq ad in the middle of this Majority Report video?🤦🏾♂️
Because the right has all the money 💰💰
Block it
Honestly, I’m still waiting for the part where Ben is debunked. Also if we just saw same sex people holding hands publicly, that wouldn’t be half as bad as what you actually do. There are parades every millisecond, flags absolutely everywhere (which by the way you stole from the Bible), and you have MONTHS for pride. Like keep it to yourself a bit more it gets so annoying.
Baby I was born this way 🏳⚧🏳🌈
Other animals are gay. Observable in reality, not action based.
Checkmate dipstick
I am sick to death of hearing “quote unquote” when they aren’t quoting anybody. The InfoIdiot does it too. And I can’t believe we are back to saying being gay is “a choice”. And I’m tired, tired of having to fight the same fight over and over and over.
He thinks it's a choice, because for him it is.
lol quotations aren’t just used as direct quotes. They can be used to quote emphasize or for irony (called sneer quotes). The thing is Ben’s use of quotes doesn’t make any sense
Are we sure BS doesn't have a mental tick? Dude spews words and then lags worse than gaming servers.
Ben Shapiro's ignorance is ceaseless. "You're not being discriminated against for _being_ gay, you're being discriminated against for _acting_ gay. Just, you know, knock that shit off."
"Is Ben Shapiro straight or is he just acting straight?" Boom! That's gotta hurt!!
I’m so confused. Besides watching homosexuals actually have sex. Aren’t gay people just people in public?
we're just people when we're having sex too.
Ahh the party of small government arguing for more laws always makes me laugh.
Ever notice that the brightest shining lights of the Right are ALWAYS the dimmest bulbs in the string?
You don't need to be smart on the right. You need to say what the power wants you to say and if they have the intelligence to question it that actually gets in the way of the most important work they do; manufacturing consent by parroting talking points on cue.
I see nothing debunked. Just a cringy showcase of idiocy
“Don’t ever be in public with your significant other if you don’t want to be discriminated against.”
- Benny Shapiro
I can't wait for the day that Ben comes out. His projection is strong
Once you deny one group rights, who is next
Go Sam!
WHY IS THERE A TRANSPHOBIC "DOCUMENTARY" FROM EPOCH TV BEING ADVERTISED ON THIS VIDEO???!!! WTF!!! DONT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THE ADS???!!!
Sadly, I don't think they fully do.
Ben Kasperian Shapiro. Or Ana Shapiro Karen Kasperian?
Is there any chance we could play Ben Shapiro at half speed, so he sounds like a normal person?
Ben is either focused on the gay community because it's an easy target to make him money or because he's jealous he doesn't have the nads to admit who he really likes and that isn't the fault of the gay community but the people that help provide him his platform. Either way it's disgusting and he would be less hate filled if he just got honest.
Translation: "All that I'm asking is that you go back into the closet."--Ben Shapiro
A house plant could have successfully debunk this inane nonsense.
You have weak arguments
Mr Seder, you have created an argument/video around something never said or eluded to by Mr Shapiro or the SC.
It's like this:
SIN is NECESSARILY a transgression against a god or gods, nothing or no one else is included. Therefore, sin, as defined in religious writings, cannot exist until a god or gods have been demonstrated to exist. Thank you attending my TED talk.
Ben Shapiro has definitely had same sex attractions.
Nope from the start he fails because this will be about what the shop owner BELIEVES the person is. PERIOD. Every time.
Emma just hitting them over the fence. She got the assignment- Emma really needs her own show, cut Matt & Bradley’s input by 1/2 and Sam can guest host. Thoroughly on top of every topic.
Might come as no surprise, but this is still the exact talking point old school racists would use. "We don't hate Black people, we hate their CULTURE", "We don't HATE Black people because they are Black, we hate them because they are CRIMINALS." As per usual, every word that comes out of Ben Sharpio's isn't just factually wrong, it's also unoriginal down to the deflection from a immutable trait towards supposed actions. A thing missing from this video is very clear: What counts as a "Gay" action and what is the line and where is the bounds of that line? If you quantify it as something that is legitimately gay [I.E. Kissing someone of the same gender] than you're a hypocrite given that you excuse that when it's you and your practice of Jeudaism. If it is assumed, than the clear answer is that he doesn't ACTUALLY know and therefore could justify the discrimination in any way he possibly would want, which undermines his idea of being a "Smart" and "Intelligent" person.
please pass this on :
I believe the terminology is getting confusing so let me clarify this :
"TRANSVESTITE"
is a straight man dressed up in his wife mother or some other woman's clothes to get his SEXUAL KICKS and is not even remotely gay related ~
"TRANSGENDER"
is someone going or through transition to reassign gender and similarly to gay men wouldn't have any covert need to go trolling in female restrooms other than theee occasional makeup tip or something other than any sexual thrill coming into play ~ EMPIRICALLY SPEAKING !