@@nelsondisalvatore9812I had that thought also but I think they did do a decent job of justifying it in terms of him having been unable to fight for so long he desired to lose himself in it
@@nelsondisalvatore9812You forget that Dorn is sometimes described, though rarely depicted admittedly, as having a truly terrifying temper when he is given a good reason to be angry, often surprising other Primarchs or Imperial Fists that see him in these moments that he is capable of such levels of rage. Taking that into account, it makes sense that it would be Khorne that would be the one tempting him, trying to goad him to give into that anger over not getting to fight in defense of Terra himself that has been roiling under his skin for so long at this point.
@@nelsondisalvatore9812I mean if you had no idea what the Horus heresy was before. Then learned about magnus and fulgrim. Two VERY loyal astartes primarchs. Fulgrim was loyal to the point if Fulgrim had never picked up the cursed blade. He never would have fallen. The forces of chaos literally couldn’t corrupt him (not for lack of trying mind you. Horus had fallen or at least been tempted to fall and sewed the seeds for fulgrim to chose him when he betrayed everyone.) Magnus literally drove himself insane by the fact he had unintentionally betrayed the Emperor. The forces of chaos can be quite crafty when they need to be. The forces of chaos are rarely ever so straight forward unless they believe there is a small chance that contacting someone directly has a chance to make them fall.
The time loop thing is really clever writing. John Grammaticus has to be a self insert of one of the black library authors. The audio for Samus is just tweaked enough to warble in & out of intelligibility.
@@livefromtheblacklibrary damn shame, as someone who watches WAY too much warhammer yourube content, I don't think any of the other creators pass you in terms of personality sans maybe AdRic, but that might just be my obsession with Bricky.
Brothers till the end. The Emperor and Malcador the Hero are true bro's for life. May we will ever see such beauty again. I still remember the Custodes part in the vengeful spirit... it was tragic to me. I felt dread a custodes crying in fear, crying... such a thing and when one of them calls to their master, their king, their lord, their Emperor, their father... for... help. It almost made me cry.
Reading this book was an amazing experience! I especially loved the moment Khorne tried to tempt Rogal Dorn and the final moment with Malcador and The Emperor
Its a mix turn out, one is loyal the other not and one of their sons is a idiot with the whole "if humanity can't survive withoit the imperium then they deserve to go extinct" like buddy... ironicly the imperium is holding back a lot but go off, go ahead destroy the thing that may have a fighting chance against the tyranids or the forces of chaos or even the tau if they ever geuinely have a good idea for once (this is a joke calm down) but yeah, just like the writer (who seems to make a great thing idk i refuse to buy anything made from GW cause of TTS) they believe that... i dont but thats just me
The scene of Sanguinius and Dorn helping Malcador and Malcador telling the Emperor to not be sad shows to me in a way, that they truly were a family and Malcador was the beloved uncle or grandfather. Awesome job with the reading and the music.
Like people get lost in the questionable lore stuff and forget that yeah he’s an AMAZING writer. For all the shit I give Saturnine from a lore perspective, it’s a DAMN GOOD book
In honesty, I think the John Grammaticus stuff is a little jarring however to my understanding the Alpha Legion lore has actually been saved by Pech's whole code word thing. Some Alpha Legion are forced Loyal, some Traitor and the remainder vs Chaos itself, a legion of fractured loyalties by 40k
Add Alpharius and Omegon seemingly being "divided" on the issue (as it seems), you even have another factor even for non-programmed marines to be either traitor or loyalist (vs chaos might need some additional justification, but still possible, à la Abbadon being traitor butgiving no sh*ts about Horus, his primach anymore).
The thing I would love to see the most honestly as an eventual follow up and series is the badab war being retold as like a 9 books or longer storyline. It would be particularly hype for me.
I'd love to see a series of novels going into the Scouring. I'd love to see a supplemental rulebook for the Horus Heresy set during the scouring. I'd love to see novels go more into the Great Crusade, especially the Rangdan Xenocides. I'd love to see novels set during the Terran Unification Wars and how the Emperor really felt when discovering that the very augmentation process that created the thunder warriors was also killing them. My biggest fear is that GW screws the pooch so badly that they re-retcon the Heresy.
I don’t think they’d fuck up THAT bad but I do believe that we’ll get scouring books especially since some really important stuff happened then, or books detailing the earlier black crusades, or even the Badab War
@@livefromtheblacklibrary GW are loyalist fanboys at heart and love selling endless hordes of loyalist plastic so we will DEFINITELY get Scouring content in droves once the Siege of Terra is over and the Horus Heresy has been milked dry.
Couple of corrections: it’s not a time loop, that’s something different. A time loop is a circle where the end becomes the cause of the beginning. In the book it’s more that time has stopped progressing in the usual sense leading to an frozen ongoing now. Also the Astronomicon isn’t working currently but has stopped and gone out. The Dark Angels aren’t just defending it, their Librarians are trying to restart the Astronomicon so the Guiliman and the Lion can reach Terra. I have a feeling that this is where Keeler’s story is going - that she will lead her pilgrims to the Astronomicon and their belief and sacrifice will help restart the Astronomicon. I’m expecting twists and things not to play out with the story we know too. My prediction is that Horus will actually kill the Emperor (the first line of the series will prove prophetic) but the dying Emperor declares Sanguinius his successor, who then kills Horus. The mortally wounded Emperor Sainguinius ends up on the golden throne and is the Emperor of the 40k era. I think it will be him the name of Dark King actually applies to not Horus. Also I think you’re wrong about Valdor. Eisenhorn judges him badly but doesn’t appreciate his plan and Eisenhorn is corrupted and hardly a reliable narrator. I think it’s way more likely Valdor is still loyal and is using chaos against itself. I think he’s trying to find the Emperor’s name to help him and heal him. There are scenes where Valdor’s fleets of Custodes warship and the cloned winged blood angel’s are attacking the Eye of Terror. Seems unlikely he’d do that as a traitor. Good video anyway. I look forward to the final books of both series to see how things actually play out and I hope we get good endings.
I really hope you're wrong about emperor sanguinius. It just wouldn't make sense. The primarchs have always been tools and they were always meant to be spent at the end of the great crusade.
Lol, so they just tucked his wings behind him when they put him on the throne then, huh? Sounds like a twist with no real purpose other than to have a twist. As for Valdor…he starts to use the spear for all of 5 seconds before he starts internally questioning the emperor and having intrusive thoughts about stabbing him to learn his secrets. Basically he had the exact reaction that malcador was afraid he’d have by using the spear and learning about things beyond the scope of his duty: it might make him question the emperor or inadvertently learn about secret parts of his plans. It’s probably the latter that drives him now.
Tbh I love katsuhiro, part of me was hoping his arc would take him onto the vengeful spirit to maybe be the random guardsmen that took the blow for the emperor
I need Cypher revealed as John Grammaticus just to see the reaction. New series idea: what if every plot line ended with John Grammaticus? Dark King? John Grammaticus. Cypher? John Grammatics. Omegon lives? You mean John Grammaticus lives. Who cares about Corax, Lorgar's been hiding from John Grammaticus.
idk if this is a hot take because im relatively new to warhammer but I like the perpetual story arc in the Seige and the Heresy as a whole but i haven't read the whole heresy, went straight into the siege. Also you deserve way more recognition for your work dude, love your personality and your knowledge of Heresy-Era events is helping me build up that knowledge for myself. Keep up the good work and I can't wait for Volume 2 in 17.5 years.
The Loken arc kind of builds up throughout the book. It's not just that time is starting to break down into a constant Present, but space is breaking down as well. Loken throughout the book is being skipped from one place to another as he walks through a door or around a corner and finds himself kilometers away from where he was. That's how he arrives at the hall of Leng, and that's how Synderman figures out what's going on just before Loken takes the last door onto the Vengeful Spirit.
So! I love the idea that this is a very similar event to Griffith turning into the new member of the god hand in the Berserk manga series. Either Horus or the emperor will be crowned the 5th chaos god. So so so cool. I love this explanation for how the god emperor came a god
I thought the “I was there when Horus…” was about Horus killing the xenos or human emperor that the legion is fighting at the beginning of the novel Horus Rising. It’s been over a decade since I last read it, I remember thinking that it was a great line to start. Can someone clarify
Yeah "I was there when Horus slew the Emperor." IIRC is the first sentence of the first book, and the context to the fake out was the 'false imperium' destroyed in that book.
I'd say that by now Abaddon's characterisation in 40k is pretty consisten across the board and feels in line with his 30k one. Especially in the more recent stuff (Vigilus Alone and Arks of Omen, where his ruminations almost echo the episode at the Saturnine Gate).
I've always taken Katsuhiro's story to be the grounding element of what it meant to be a baseline human fighting and (hopefully) surviving the siege to restart life in the new imperium and dealing with that trauma. He is the human race's experience for the next 10000 years in a microcosm.
37:54 a interesting/logical end point to Nareks story line is if lorgar is acting on Terra conducting ritual using the deaths of billions to fuel Horus’s transformation as lorgar did with Angron. This takes place just as Horus is fighting the emperor with lorgar acting as a conduit to funnel the powers of the chaos gods into His brother purely as a weapon to kill the emperor . Just as Horus is about to strike the finnal blow Narek shoots the fulgurite bolt into lorgars heart disrupting the ritual with the Primarch legitimacy on the brink of death and Narek reveling himself to shame his gene father. However as the ritual is disrupted the emperor shoots Horus cleansing him of the chaotic taint it as the original the conduit all that purged chaotic energy goes to Lorgar as he begs the gods to save him which’s fuels his apotheosis to demon prince saving his live Narek is killed and lorgar seeing that the heresy has failed teleports away.
Ohhhhh that would be interesting! One thing I forgot when recording this was that Erebus is still active on Terra after killing Erda and hasn’t shown up yet. Maybe Narek could end up changing targets and try and take out Erebus (though we know Erebus lives through to Era Indominus)
for this book i just finally accepted john was gonna grammaticus the whole time. i get your thoughts on him though, he's just shoved into this epic story that doesn't need him at all to function, hes like a spoiler on a pickup truck, or swimming socks
Great video summary! I`m glad Barthusa Narek was mentioned somewhere and the Hydra boys are sleeping below the palace. I hope we get a satisfying conclusion for most of the characters. What happened to the thunder warrior mentioned in the "Outcast Dead"?
Thanks dude! I feel like he’s either just hiding on Terra never to be seen again or hes dead by now. Outcast Dead was long enough ago that we can chalk up any unused plot lines/characters as void.
The funny thing about the John Grammaticus` team and story for me that i never thought that John is the main character there, lol. For me it always was about Oll, his team and he is an interesting character that i really like to read about. P.S. your small rant about John was very unexpected for because of that, basically. He always was for me a background dude near Oll in SIege of Terra books (sort of).
What music was used for the Malcador section from 43:00 onwards? It made what was already an incredibly emotional scene even more emotional, specially coupled with your reading of it!
1:22:07 this was a callback to the book where they are laying the groundwork for Russ to attempt to assassinate Horus. This was door they marked with a secret Space Wolves sign. Thought that was an awesome reference.
There’s also a great theory that the Big E went into the golden throne to stop his apotheosis into god hood - because he needs to buy time to prevent wiping out humanity in doing so *Spoiler* - Also in the recent Cypher book, when cypher enters the golden throne to kill the Big E, the custode that was fatally wounded gets a vision and from Big E and is resurrected and simply tells cypher, “not yet.” And shares his vision off-book, and cypher understands and just leaves. Makes you wonder
I just finished this book, the ending gave me such a hesvy sense of depressing dread. The idea of chaos marines and auxiliary rally to worship The Dark King unsettles me, and that's why I love it.
can't wait for Dan to fuck with everyone by having Pius be some random conscript teleported to the spirit while on a coffee break so the myth is real in the stupidest way possible
Loving the casual vibes, music, etc. AFAIC keep the BGM playlist varied and that's just a thing that keeps on giving. At 1h5m, what's that track that's playing? I recognize it!
Absolutely amazing video by the way, I can't stop watching your content. One thing of note that you said referring to the fact that maybe the Emperor promised his soul to the Gods. Maybe his relaxed nature about not caring about helping Angron, or speeding up Mortarion's battle against his adoptive father (way before he was ready), were so that he could have more contingencies and pieces (in chess lmao) against the God's in whatever war was to come. I'm a very big, and bored nerd btw. (I also wonder if he had a hand in the Golden age and age of strife as it was the best possible option. This is just complete jibberish though)
Well, we know who does get to say the inversion of "I was there the day that Horus slew the Emperor"- it's Kyril Sindermann- From the novel Beheading: "Is it true?’ she whispered. ‘Did you really know Horus?’ ‘It is the truth,’ said Veritus. With a last effort, he pulled on Wienand’s’ hands, his knuckles white, half lifting his frail body. His face lost some of the lines of pain, becoming open and lighter. He smiled, pleased to share his great secret at last. ‘My name was Kyril Sindermann. I was chief iterator to the Sixty-Third expedition of the Great Crusade. I was present when Horus abandoned the love of the Emperor for the lies of the enemy. I was there as the Luna Wolves were corrupted from within. I was there at Isstvan III when brother turned on brother. I endured the Siege of Terra, and I knew Saint Euphrati, the first of the saints, as a friend.’ He sank back into the mattress. ‘And…’ he gasped. ‘And…' Wienand leaned in. His last words were as arid and hushed as wind blowing over sand. ‘And I was there the day the Emperor slew Horus.' That being said Loken taking the shot for the Emperor seems like the route, he was the point of introduction to the setting from Horus Rising. He was our eyes for possibly a brighter future, its rapid dimming, and the beginning of the age of darkness that will follow the Heresy. Structurally him being the man to die to Horus provides symmetry to the opening of Horus Rising and thematically closes the book on the better future which was glimpsed through his eyes.
30:15 as a non native english speaker. Thanks for that totally necessary and really Really REALLY helpful voice distortion you did there. I totally understood everything.
"Who among them has the courage to reach for it? So few of them, so very few, are even in a position to see it or comprehend its meaning. I can count them upon my fingers. Him? The boastful king on his tiny throne, his feeble light guttering out? Him? The squealing pretender, hunched in the howling gullet of hell? Him, perhaps? The maniac prophet slithering through the open wounds between unblinking stars? One of them might see, before it is too late, what could be achieved today. One of them might recognise, at the very last, that none of this matters… the annihilating rock, the measureless slaughter, the pathetic rage… unless they elevate the war to where it truly belongs. Not here. Not Terra. But outwards and inwards and everywhere, until that which is Ruin, and that which is Ruin alone, as it was in the beginning and shall be at the end, is everywhere and everything. That is the only victory that matters. That is the only end that has any meaning. Alert, intrigued, alive not to the death of a rock but to the birth of a reality, I watch. I am Samus. My name is Samus. I am the man beside you. Samus is here. I walk into your meaningless flames and I rejoice. For this time, perhaps this time, there will be a victory. For this is the end, and the death. And, finally, the beginning."
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I'm currently at the Mark of Calth anthology. I'm gonna run through main novels first then go back for the other stuff 😂 Get this: When I got into the lore, I started WAY outta order. I started at the Siege of Terra and HH Primarch books, but didn't understand anything that was happenin 😂
I started reading Horus Rising and left the novel when Sons of Horus killed civilians to make way for Horus so that they can reach the medical emergency room. It kinda broke my heart seeing the heroic Luna Wolf's suddenly masssacred the shocked and grieved civilians who came to see their beloved Primarch. I left the novel and decided to read only when entire series is done.
@@UnknownOrc Oh yeah, False Gods is one of my favs That scene was so heart-wrenching, but please do finish it one day, my friend. There is an amazing scene right after with Horus talking to Petronella (his remembrancer) in the emergency room
Your one of my new favorite Warhammer youtubers along with Mr Bones 40k. You 2 should have a live straam together and may you one day surpass Majorcuck... i mean Majorkill.
Still not sure how I feel about Dorn in the desert. While its a cool idea I don't think it fits his character arc very well. Should have been Sanguinius. It feels more fitting having him be tortured in the pocket dimension by Khorne. Depriving him of the chance to save his father. Testing his will in his already wounded state. Possibly setting us up for a double plot twist where we learn that Sanguinius falls to the Black Rage before he ever gets to Horus. Possibly even having him intervene in the fight between The Emperor and Horus. If they wanted to be really brave, they could make it so that it's infact Sanguinius in his enraged khornate vampire state that is the one who really mortally wounds The Emperor, before, during or after the showdown. It makes more sense to me to have Dorn totally isolated somewhere deep in the Vengful Spirit. Cut off from his father and his sons. Desperately fighting against never ending waves of deamonic forces. Than it is to have him loosing his mind in a desert. He is the indomitable will of the mountain. He should endure his vigil without question or complaint. Perhaps if it was the Tzeentch trying to turn him, I might find it more agreeable. The changer of ways, brushing against the indomitable Dorn. Two polar opposite testing each other for weakness. Also feels like a missed opportunity not having Sigismund in this book. I find the Alpha Legion subplot to be pretty contrived. It should be Alpharius himself, not a C-List character. Or it might be better to have the Alpha Legion traitors appearing from no-where to finally reinforce the traitors at the 11th hour. Only for Alpha Legion loyalists to appear from these magic tunnels to bolster the garrison against their traitor kin. This would better represent the schism between the twin brothers in my mind. This whole pre-programed sleeper against hidden in secret tunnels beneath the palace is just to nonsensical. While the implications of having a secret army of loyalist Alpha's beneath the palace waiting to be activated at some point in the 40k time line is cool. It's not cool enough to cut the mustard in my humble opinion. While I personally really like the Perpetual subplot. I feel that John Grammaticus should be replaced with Ollianius. I don't like that Oll is omitted from the Siege so far. And I truly hope this other Oll character isn't his grandson like you claim it is. I really hope it's actually Pius himself. Just that it's a persona of his. In Saturnine I think Erda explains that as he is the oldest known Perpetual he is a little bit out of touch compared to the rest of them. Also, as demonstrated during his introduction on Calth, it's already established that he is capable of 'forgetting' his true identity while he lives out the life of a humble soldier loyal to humanity. The bits about Malcador are pretty great. I think Abnett is doing a good job sending him off in a respectful and meaningful way. I'm not too bothered by the Custodes being enthralled by Chaos. It's very clear to me that Horus is supposed to have become a dark mirror of The Emperor himself. Their sacrifice is to show depths of his power. And it represents another sacrifice for The Emperor. He must personally slay his chosen companions. It is a blade into his ego and in his heart. It also forms part of the Faustian bargain he made before and or is being forced to make upon his accession. It has always been my opinion that the powers of Chaos set him and all of these events up specifically to turn him into a god of order. To help balance out the degenerate nature of the powers of chaos. Chaos knows that it will either consume the galaxy in its entirety itself, or something like the Nids or Necrons will roll up and do it for them. So it's in their own interest to set up The Emperor and install him on the pain engine known as the Golden Throne, and to feed him millions of psykers of 10,000 years. And to condition humanity into worshipping him as a god. So that when the time is right. He ascends to Godhood and brings about 'the end times'. Or rather, 'the end of time'. I have always suspected the the 40k universe is heading into the direction that AoS has gone if I understand it correctly. Where the galaxy descends into a non linear universe where reality and the warp have merged. And the great game can continue in perpetuity. This is the ultimate win for the powers of chaos. Thank you for the vid! It was very enlightening!!!
Oh and I think Valdor will play a part in The Emperors ascension. It think it's in this book where The Emperor communes with Valdor and unlocks the shackles of loyalty giving him a much greater degree of free will no? I believe the King in Yellow, if it is Valdor. Is using all the knowledge he has gained fighting various deamons with the Apollonian spear to craft 'warp weapons'. As seen by the army of winged blood angels kept in status. I think perhaps he is seeking The Emperors true name either in order to safeguard it from His enemies. Or more likely, to return it to The Emperor himself. I suspect The Emperor may have traded his name to the Gods when he went through the warp gate a Molech. I think he went there both to make a deal with the dark powers in order to empower Himself. But that was only part of a grander subterfuge. He went there and made a deal so that he could really steal the Promethium "Fires of Creation" in order to craft his sons. Although the former part of this theory really is speculation on my part. But considering we have multiple sources claiming he made a deal with them, I think there is some merit to my theory. But ultimately, I don't see Valdor turning on The Emperor or ever truly giving up on him. I think perhaps The Emperor gave him enough free will so that he could actually doubt The Emperor. So that he could better serve him by using his own initiative. For a hand crafted being that's supremely psycho-conditioned for loyalty, I think only Valdor, with the lessons learned from the Apollonian spear. Can withstand the pressures of actually truly doubting and second guessing The Emperor without falling to insanity and corruption. There is also still some mystery as too his true origins. We know The Emperor figuratively 'moved mountains' specifically to 'recruit' him into his Companions.
The Samus part was/is really hard to understand. Probably easier for native speakers, dunno. Also, Valdor not a traitor or evil. I'm betting a shit ton of money on it and I'm very, very sure about it. No joke. Besides that, super dope video and channel!
The end and the death go all the way back to Horus Rising. Not just the solar war. The demonic whispers that the imperial army and Luna Wolves began hearing in the whisperheads(mountains on the planet 6319, where Horus slew "the Emperor".).
I'd like to give my own crackpot theory in order to hopefully assuage your fears about the Sacrifice that helps the Emperor slay Horus. The original story of Olly P standing up to Horus has been long since changed (retconned is perhaps not the right word) to change it from a ordinary human to a Space Marine, a Terminator and finally a Custodes. I think we will see all of them (though I do not have a theory for the Terminator). As for Olly, a lot of people seem convinced he will not end up on the Vengeful Spirit because he did not teleport there. I direct you, reader, to two things: Garvil Loken also was not teleported and he is on the Vengeful Spirit and Olly P has a magic BS knife that lets him teleport across space and time. Olly's story is building up to him reuiniting with the Emperor, burying the hatchet of past conflicts and sacrificing his immortality as the Oldest Perpetual to give the Emperor time. Not also, he knows Enuncia and there is no way Dan will not have that factor into his finale. As For Johnnny Grahm, his story makes more sense if he stays on the planet and gets involved in the Alpha Legion stuff so I (hope) he will not end up on the Spirit. Does not make sense with his current story. As for the other listed persons, the Space Marine/Terminator will of course be Loken. His story arc requires some kind of final showdown with Horus. As for the Custodes, we have a special named Custodes who has served as a POV, Caecaltus Dusk, who also happens to bear the last sigil of Malcador with an express order to "Do not fail him." I think it is likely all three of these individuals will sacrifice themselves in some way during the final fight, canonizing both the original lore and the contradiction made along the way. Hopefully. I have faith in Dan that he will do it right. Just please no smarmy John Grammaticus dabbing on Horus' corpse. I beg thee
@@livefromtheblacklibrary More crying sections coming. Didnt expect that this book would feel so final in 40k. It is like wrapping up the story after so many years of theories.
My guess is that Konrad, Angron, Abaddon, and the Space Wolves might have been purged. They were born for war, warriors at heart. I do not think they could have put down the sword. 😢
Russ would be the last to go, if he had to go, to be the Emperor's heads man. Jaghatai would be the Primarch patron of the Rogue Traders while he was active though
A theory about the emporer's ascension; when psychic races create a god and are consumed, this is typically done all at once. But the emporer has been consuming souls at an pretty incredible pace over the millennia. What if his plan was to spread the sacrifice of souls to power him up over a long time so that he didnt consume the entire species all at once. Additionally, those that view the emporer as a monster aren't necessarily wrong; he did design and create the imperium of man, the worst regime imaginable, after all. He is multifaceted-hoping for the best but not shying away from committing great acts of evil.
I'm going to be honest here, I wrote the channel off after the "no more John G after the book legion". But I listened to other vids, and realized you're just fucking about. Thank the Emperor for that, bc these videos BANG!
I really enjoyed the music you used while you were doing the Malcador voice, any chance you could share it? Sorry, I know this is an older video, and its perhaps some music you worked hard to find, but if you would be willing to share, that'd be cool.
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The temptation of Dorn is quietly horrifying
I really dig the Ulysses references. “To strive to seek and not to yield” - tying Dorn to an epic poem made his legacy that much greater to me.
It still feels dumb that it was khorne. All the choices for the chaos gods and the primarchs feel wrong.
@@nelsondisalvatore9812I had that thought also but I think they did do a decent job of justifying it in terms of him having been unable to fight for so long he desired to lose himself in it
@@nelsondisalvatore9812You forget that Dorn is sometimes described, though rarely depicted admittedly, as having a truly terrifying temper when he is given a good reason to be angry, often surprising other Primarchs or Imperial Fists that see him in these moments that he is capable of such levels of rage. Taking that into account, it makes sense that it would be Khorne that would be the one tempting him, trying to goad him to give into that anger over not getting to fight in defense of Terra himself that has been roiling under his skin for so long at this point.
@@nelsondisalvatore9812I mean if you had no idea what the Horus heresy was before. Then learned about magnus and fulgrim. Two VERY loyal astartes primarchs.
Fulgrim was loyal to the point if Fulgrim had never picked up the cursed blade. He never would have fallen. The forces of chaos literally couldn’t corrupt him (not for lack of trying mind you. Horus had fallen or at least been tempted to fall and sewed the seeds for fulgrim to chose him when he betrayed everyone.)
Magnus literally drove himself insane by the fact he had unintentionally betrayed the Emperor.
The forces of chaos can be quite crafty when they need to be. The forces of chaos are rarely ever so straight forward unless they believe there is a small chance that contacting someone directly has a chance to make them fall.
The time loop thing is really clever writing.
John Grammaticus has to be a self insert of one of the black library authors.
The audio for Samus is just tweaked enough to warble in & out of intelligibility.
Yeah absolutely!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary two words to answer three questions. God emporer damn is this elf good at writing.
I basically scorched my channel making this vid so PLEASE GOD EMPEROR let this one bang
I subbed specifically in anticipation of this vid. Keep up the great work!
How did this video scorch your channel?
I only discovered you because of it
The lack of proper videos while I was working on this killed my momentum sadly
@@livefromtheblacklibrary damn shame, as someone who watches WAY too much warhammer yourube content, I don't think any of the other creators pass you in terms of personality sans maybe AdRic, but that might just be my obsession with Bricky.
You make some of the best warhammer content but RUclips just doesn’t seem to like you. It really is a shame
It's kind of funny imagining Abaddon trying to group up with his troops but they ignore him.
It's like an Overwatch lobby.
😂😂😂
Brothers till the end. The Emperor and Malcador the Hero are true bro's for life. May we will ever see such beauty again. I still remember the Custodes part in the vengeful spirit... it was tragic to me. I felt dread a custodes crying in fear, crying... such a thing and when one of them calls to their master, their king, their lord, their Emperor, their father... for... help. It almost made me cry.
Yeah man 😭 this book was just A LOT
DO YOU SEE WHAT IS COMING FOR YOU HORUS!!!!!
This series is one of those I’m enjoying so much that the idea of it ending hurts lol.
I took damage when you said we've been waiting for this book over "17 years".
It has really been that long.
Like FUCK man
When Horus Rising came out we thought the third book was going to take us to the siege of Terra. Turns out it took a little longer.
Its been a long journey, but the payoff was worth the wait. That last siege book ended perfectly.
That malcador scene was indeed emotional 😭
Reading this book was an amazing experience! I especially loved the moment Khorne tried to tempt Rogal Dorn and the final moment with Malcador and The Emperor
YEAH ABSOLUTELY
I'm so glad my Hydra Bois are Loyalists. I've always believe they were double bluffing and were backstabbing chaos.
Mood, I’m excited to make a video on the alpha legion in m42
I'm not going to lie. I like the espionage aspect of the Alpha legion.
Its a mix turn out, one is loyal the other not and one of their sons is a idiot with the whole "if humanity can't survive withoit the imperium then they deserve to go extinct" like buddy... ironicly the imperium is holding back a lot but go off, go ahead destroy the thing that may have a fighting chance against the tyranids or the forces of chaos or even the tau if they ever geuinely have a good idea for once (this is a joke calm down) but yeah, just like the writer (who seems to make a great thing idk i refuse to buy anything made from GW cause of TTS) they believe that... i dont but thats just me
As an old blood angels fan I enjoyed the assault on the vengeful spirit when the question of who is best finally gets answered.
LMAO
The scene of Sanguinius and Dorn helping Malcador and Malcador telling the Emperor to not be sad shows to me in a way, that they truly were a family and Malcador was the beloved uncle or grandfather.
Awesome job with the reading and the music.
This book again shows why Dan Abnett is a top tier writer.
Like people get lost in the questionable lore stuff and forget that yeah he’s an AMAZING writer. For all the shit I give Saturnine from a lore perspective, it’s a DAMN GOOD book
In honesty, I think the John Grammaticus stuff is a little jarring however to my understanding the Alpha Legion lore has actually been saved by Pech's whole code word thing. Some Alpha Legion are forced Loyal, some Traitor and the remainder vs Chaos itself, a legion of fractured loyalties by 40k
Add Alpharius and Omegon seemingly being "divided" on the issue (as it seems), you even have another factor even for non-programmed marines to be either traitor or loyalist (vs chaos might need some additional justification, but still possible, à la Abbadon being traitor butgiving no sh*ts about Horus, his primach anymore).
I really like how they show the chaos of the chaos armies. Commands falling apart, time being all loopy, delusions, no longer being brother
The thing I would love to see the most honestly as an eventual follow up and series is the badab war being retold as like a 9 books or longer storyline. It would be particularly hype for me.
YOOOO HUGE SAME
You had me literally crying with Malcador stepping up to the Throne and everyone just being sad because it had to come to this 😢
Your Malcador impression is fantastic. And the music made this moment even more impactful 😢
I'd love to see a series of novels going into the Scouring. I'd love to see a supplemental rulebook for the Horus Heresy set during the scouring.
I'd love to see novels go more into the Great Crusade, especially the Rangdan Xenocides. I'd love to see novels set during the Terran Unification Wars and how the Emperor really felt when discovering that the very augmentation process that created the thunder warriors was also killing them.
My biggest fear is that GW screws the pooch so badly that they re-retcon the Heresy.
I don’t think they’d fuck up THAT bad but I do believe that we’ll get scouring books especially since some really important stuff happened then, or books detailing the earlier black crusades, or even the Badab War
@@livefromtheblacklibrary GW are loyalist fanboys at heart and love selling endless hordes of loyalist plastic so we will DEFINITELY get Scouring content in droves once the Siege of Terra is over and the Horus Heresy has been milked dry.
I’m dying for more Unification War coverage. Very interesting period
I can't believe that even The Emperor's Golden Banana boys gets corrupted and Dorns normal calm got comprised.
Dude specifically explained how they were NOT in fact corrupted
I've listened to that malcador part at least 5 times now. Truly great.
The final duel is going to have a lot more participants than we originally thought.
Couple of corrections: it’s not a time loop, that’s something different. A time loop is a circle where the end becomes the cause of the beginning. In the book it’s more that time has stopped progressing in the usual sense leading to an frozen ongoing now.
Also the Astronomicon isn’t working currently but has stopped and gone out. The Dark Angels aren’t just defending it, their Librarians are trying to restart the Astronomicon so the Guiliman and the Lion can reach Terra.
I have a feeling that this is where Keeler’s story is going - that she will lead her pilgrims to the Astronomicon and their belief and sacrifice will help restart the Astronomicon.
I’m expecting twists and things not to play out with the story we know too. My prediction is that Horus will actually kill the Emperor (the first line of the series will prove prophetic) but the dying Emperor declares Sanguinius his successor, who then kills Horus. The mortally wounded Emperor Sainguinius ends up on the golden throne and is the Emperor of the 40k era. I think it will be him the name of Dark King actually applies to not Horus.
Also I think you’re wrong about Valdor. Eisenhorn judges him badly but doesn’t appreciate his plan and Eisenhorn is corrupted and hardly a reliable narrator. I think it’s way more likely Valdor is still loyal and is using chaos against itself. I think he’s trying to find the Emperor’s name to help him and heal him. There are scenes where Valdor’s fleets of Custodes warship and the cloned winged blood angel’s are attacking the Eye of Terror. Seems unlikely he’d do that as a traitor.
Good video anyway. I look forward to the final books of both series to see how things actually play out and I hope we get good endings.
I really hope you're wrong about emperor sanguinius. It just wouldn't make sense. The primarchs have always been tools and they were always meant to be spent at the end of the great crusade.
That emperor sanguinius thing would be roundly rejected by fans.
Also sang has seen his death all along. He's not seen what you suggest but his death.
Lol, so they just tucked his wings behind him when they put him on the throne then, huh? Sounds like a twist with no real purpose other than to have a twist.
As for Valdor…he starts to use the spear for all of 5 seconds before he starts internally questioning the emperor and having intrusive thoughts about stabbing him to learn his secrets. Basically he had the exact reaction that malcador was afraid he’d have by using the spear and learning about things beyond the scope of his duty: it might make him question the emperor or inadvertently learn about secret parts of his plans. It’s probably the latter that drives him now.
Tbh I love katsuhiro, part of me was hoping his arc would take him onto the vengeful spirit to maybe be the random guardsmen that took the blow for the emperor
SAME, part of me was expecting exactly that
I need Cypher revealed as John Grammaticus just to see the reaction.
New series idea: what if every plot line ended with John Grammaticus? Dark King? John Grammaticus. Cypher? John Grammatics. Omegon lives? You mean John Grammaticus lives. Who cares about Corax, Lorgar's been hiding from John Grammaticus.
idk if this is a hot take because im relatively new to warhammer but I like the perpetual story arc in the Seige and the Heresy as a whole but i haven't read the whole heresy, went straight into the siege. Also you deserve way more recognition for your work dude, love your personality and your knowledge of Heresy-Era events is helping me build up that knowledge for myself. Keep up the good work and I can't wait for Volume 2 in 17.5 years.
LMAO dw we’re getting news of it in 2024 also THANKS DUDE!
The Loken arc kind of builds up throughout the book. It's not just that time is starting to break down into a constant Present, but space is breaking down as well. Loken throughout the book is being skipped from one place to another as he walks through a door or around a corner and finds himself kilometers away from where he was. That's how he arrives at the hall of Leng, and that's how Synderman figures out what's going on just before Loken takes the last door onto the Vengeful Spirit.
I only just discovered this channel and loved this deep dive on the latest book. Keep up the great work.
Thanks man!
So! I love the idea that this is a very similar event to Griffith turning into the new member of the god hand in the Berserk manga series. Either Horus or the emperor will be crowned the 5th chaos god. So so so cool. I love this explanation for how the god emperor came a god
My favorite part was where Sly Marbo swooped in due to convincing by John Grammaticus and saved the Emperor with a scream of fury
I get a Space Ghost Coast to Coast vib with your talk show set up. Love it!!!
Abbnet is a great author. When I was a kid he did sinister Dexter for 2000ad, and I preferred them to dredd. He is my preferred author for GW.
I thought the “I was there when Horus…” was about Horus killing the xenos or human emperor that the legion is fighting at the beginning of the novel Horus Rising. It’s been over a decade since I last read it, I remember thinking that it was a great line to start. Can someone clarify
Yeah "I was there when Horus slew the Emperor." IIRC is the first sentence of the first book, and the context to the fake out was the 'false imperium' destroyed in that book.
I'd say that by now Abaddon's characterisation in 40k is pretty consisten across the board and feels in line with his 30k one. Especially in the more recent stuff (Vigilus Alone and Arks of Omen, where his ruminations almost echo the episode at the Saturnine Gate).
That was such an amazing and well put together review of the book!
Honestly, thank you for that :)
Thank you so much!
I've always taken Katsuhiro's story to be the grounding element of what it meant to be a baseline human fighting and (hopefully) surviving the siege to restart life in the new imperium and dealing with that trauma. He is the human race's experience for the next 10000 years in a microcosm.
37:54 a interesting/logical end point to Nareks story line is if lorgar is acting on Terra conducting ritual using the deaths of billions to fuel Horus’s transformation as lorgar did with Angron.
This takes place just as Horus is fighting the emperor with lorgar acting as a conduit to funnel the powers of the chaos gods into His brother purely as a weapon to kill the emperor . Just as Horus is about to strike the finnal blow Narek shoots the fulgurite bolt into lorgars heart disrupting the ritual with the Primarch legitimacy on the brink of death and Narek reveling himself to shame his gene father. However as the ritual is disrupted the emperor shoots Horus cleansing him of the chaotic taint it as the original the conduit all that purged chaotic energy goes to Lorgar as he begs the gods to save him which’s fuels his apotheosis to demon prince saving his live Narek is killed and lorgar seeing that the heresy has failed teleports away.
Ohhhhh that would be interesting! One thing I forgot when recording this was that Erebus is still active on Terra after killing Erda and hasn’t shown up yet. Maybe Narek could end up changing targets and try and take out Erebus (though we know Erebus lives through to Era Indominus)
for this book i just finally accepted john was gonna grammaticus the whole time. i get your thoughts on him though, he's just shoved into this epic story that doesn't need him at all to function, hes like a spoiler on a pickup truck, or swimming socks
YEP LMAO, if anything it just throws the balance off
Great video summary!
I`m glad Barthusa Narek was mentioned somewhere and the Hydra boys are sleeping below the palace.
I hope we get a satisfying conclusion for most of the characters.
What happened to the thunder warrior mentioned in the "Outcast Dead"?
Thanks dude! I feel like he’s either just hiding on Terra never to be seen again or hes dead by now. Outcast Dead was long enough ago that we can chalk up any unused plot lines/characters as void.
The funny thing about the John Grammaticus` team and story for me that i never thought that John is the main character there, lol. For me it always was about Oll, his team and he is an interesting character that i really like to read about.
P.S. your small rant about John was very unexpected for because of that, basically. He always was for me a background dude near Oll in SIege of Terra books (sort of).
What music was used for the Malcador section from 43:00 onwards? It made what was already an incredibly emotional scene even more emotional, specially coupled with your reading of it!
Oh man if only I could remember 😅 it’s saved on my computer as “sad cinematic music”
@@livefromtheblacklibrary :(
1:22:07 this was a callback to the book where they are laying the groundwork for Russ to attempt to assassinate Horus. This was door they marked with a secret Space Wolves sign. Thought that was an awesome reference.
TY... about Horus being a genius... ppl cant read between the lines of the only reveal that made my mouth drop.
Love your videos dude. Keep up the good work
Thanks man!
Great video! I love the recap now that part 2 is out. Thanks
There’s also a great theory that the Big E went into the golden throne to stop his apotheosis into god hood - because he needs to buy time to prevent wiping out humanity in doing so
*Spoiler* - Also in the recent Cypher book, when cypher enters the golden throne to kill the Big E, the custode that was fatally wounded gets a vision and from Big E and is resurrected and simply tells cypher, “not yet.” And shares his vision off-book, and cypher understands and just leaves.
Makes you wonder
I just finished this book, the ending gave me such a hesvy sense of depressing dread. The idea of chaos marines and auxiliary rally to worship The Dark King unsettles me, and that's why I love it.
can't wait for Dan to fuck with everyone by having Pius be some random conscript teleported to the spirit while on a coffee break so the myth is real in the stupidest way possible
Good god don’t scare me like that
it was even dumber than that
Oh my god I burst out laughing when you did the voice of Malcador. So accurate.
LOL thanks XD I didn’t mean for it to be funny but “old man” isn’t my strong suit
@@livefromtheblacklibrary honestly it was a really great take. Good work.
I love your videos and all the work you put in to them! Thanks!
I am surprised SOMEONE has talked about John Grammaticus
I think we as a community are trying to block him out mentally
I kinda like john grammaticus like in the HH novels bit he is miplaced here
He’s an interesting character unto himself but he just seems so out of place in every book after Legion
Loving the casual vibes, music, etc. AFAIC keep the BGM playlist varied and that's just a thing that keeps on giving.
At 1h5m, what's that track that's playing? I recognize it!
In hindsight you got some predictions right and some others wrong, but that was to be expected, so good job!
Absolutely amazing video by the way, I can't stop watching your content. One thing of note that you said referring to the fact that maybe the Emperor promised his soul to the Gods. Maybe his relaxed nature about not caring about helping Angron, or speeding up Mortarion's battle against his adoptive father (way before he was ready), were so that he could have more contingencies and pieces (in chess lmao) against the God's in whatever war was to come.
I'm a very big, and bored nerd btw. (I also wonder if he had a hand in the Golden age and age of strife as it was the best possible option. This is just complete jibberish though)
I'm rambling but, what if Sanguinius' visions were altered by Horus in some way.
Well, we know who does get to say the inversion of "I was there the day that Horus slew the Emperor"- it's Kyril Sindermann- From the novel Beheading:
"Is it true?’ she whispered. ‘Did you really know Horus?’
‘It is the truth,’ said Veritus. With a last effort, he pulled on Wienand’s’ hands, his knuckles white, half lifting his frail body. His face lost some of the lines of pain, becoming open and lighter. He smiled, pleased to share his great secret at last.
‘My name was Kyril Sindermann. I was chief iterator to the Sixty-Third expedition of the Great Crusade. I was present when Horus abandoned the love of the Emperor for the lies of the enemy. I was there as the Luna Wolves were corrupted from within. I was there at Isstvan III when brother turned on brother. I endured the Siege of Terra, and I knew Saint Euphrati, the first of the saints, as a friend.’
He sank back into the mattress.
‘And…’ he gasped. ‘And…'
Wienand leaned in. His last words were as arid and hushed as wind blowing over sand.
‘And I was there the day the Emperor slew Horus.'
That being said Loken taking the shot for the Emperor seems like the route, he was the point of introduction to the setting from Horus Rising. He was our eyes for possibly a brighter future, its rapid dimming, and the beginning of the age of darkness that will follow the Heresy. Structurally him being the man to die to Horus provides symmetry to the opening of Horus Rising and thematically closes the book on the better future which was glimpsed through his eyes.
This was one of my most favorite books of all time. I loved how occult it went.
Yeah I love the dark mystic side of 40K!
This is fantastic content. I couldnt close RUclips!! Subcribed 😊
This channel needs way more subs
Ayyyy thanks man! My goal is 10K by the end of the year!
30:15 as a non native english speaker. Thanks for that totally necessary and really Really REALLY helpful voice distortion you did there. I totally understood everything.
"Who among them has the courage to reach for it? So few of them, so very few, are even in a position to see it or comprehend its meaning. I can count them upon my fingers. Him? The boastful king on his tiny throne, his feeble light guttering out? Him? The squealing pretender, hunched in the howling gullet of hell? Him, perhaps? The maniac prophet slithering through the open wounds between unblinking stars? One of them might see, before it is too late, what could be achieved today. One of them might recognise, at the very last, that none of this matters… the annihilating rock, the measureless slaughter, the pathetic rage… unless they elevate the war to where it truly belongs. Not here. Not Terra. But outwards and inwards and everywhere, until that which is Ruin, and that which is Ruin alone, as it was in the beginning and shall be at the end, is everywhere and everything.
That is the only victory that matters. That is the only end that has any meaning. Alert, intrigued, alive not to the death of a rock but to the birth of a reality, I watch. I am Samus. My name is Samus. I am the man beside you. Samus is here. I walk into your meaningless flames and I rejoice. For this time, perhaps this time, there will be a victory. For this is the end, and the death. And, finally, the beginning."
Thanks I appreciate the save XD
@Jess thank you
Great Video Brother.
Salute!!
really good breakdown, thanks chrono!
Ayyyy thanks dude!
men i really almost cried in the malcador scene
God I want this book ASAP, but I'm reading literally every HH novella,novel/short story start to finish 🥲
JESUS Good luck man! XD How far in are you?
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I'm currently at the Mark of Calth anthology. I'm gonna run through main novels first then go back for the other stuff 😂
Get this: When I got into the lore, I started WAY outta order. I started at the Siege of Terra and HH Primarch books, but didn't understand anything that was happenin 😂
I started reading Horus Rising and left the novel when Sons of Horus killed civilians to make way for Horus so that they can reach the medical emergency room. It kinda broke my heart seeing the heroic Luna Wolf's suddenly masssacred the shocked and grieved civilians who came to see their beloved Primarch. I left the novel and decided to read only when entire series is done.
@@UnknownOrc Oh yeah, False Gods is one of my favs
That scene was so heart-wrenching, but please do finish it one day, my friend. There is an amazing scene right after with Horus talking to Petronella (his remembrancer) in the emergency room
Awesome video and discussion man!!
Your one of my new favorite Warhammer youtubers along with Mr Bones 40k.
You 2 should have a live straam together and may you one day surpass Majorcuck... i mean Majorkill.
Awesome vid, keen for your take on the next part
Still not sure how I feel about Dorn in the desert. While its a cool idea I don't think it fits his character arc very well. Should have been Sanguinius. It feels more fitting having him be tortured in the pocket dimension by Khorne. Depriving him of the chance to save his father. Testing his will in his already wounded state. Possibly setting us up for a double plot twist where we learn that Sanguinius falls to the Black Rage before he ever gets to Horus. Possibly even having him intervene in the fight between The Emperor and Horus. If they wanted to be really brave, they could make it so that it's infact Sanguinius in his enraged khornate vampire state that is the one who really mortally wounds The Emperor, before, during or after the showdown.
It makes more sense to me to have Dorn totally isolated somewhere deep in the Vengful Spirit. Cut off from his father and his sons. Desperately fighting against never ending waves of deamonic forces. Than it is to have him loosing his mind in a desert. He is the indomitable will of the mountain. He should endure his vigil without question or complaint.
Perhaps if it was the Tzeentch trying to turn him, I might find it more agreeable. The changer of ways, brushing against the indomitable Dorn. Two polar opposite testing each other for weakness.
Also feels like a missed opportunity not having Sigismund in this book.
I find the Alpha Legion subplot to be pretty contrived. It should be Alpharius himself, not a C-List character. Or it might be better to have the Alpha Legion traitors appearing from no-where to finally reinforce the traitors at the 11th hour. Only for Alpha Legion loyalists to appear from these magic tunnels to bolster the garrison against their traitor kin. This would better represent the schism between the twin brothers in my mind. This whole pre-programed sleeper against hidden in secret tunnels beneath the palace is just to nonsensical. While the implications of having a secret army of loyalist Alpha's beneath the palace waiting to be activated at some point in the 40k time line is cool. It's not cool enough to cut the mustard in my humble opinion.
While I personally really like the Perpetual subplot. I feel that John Grammaticus should be replaced with Ollianius. I don't like that Oll is omitted from the Siege so far. And I truly hope this other Oll character isn't his grandson like you claim it is. I really hope it's actually Pius himself. Just that it's a persona of his. In Saturnine I think Erda explains that as he is the oldest known Perpetual he is a little bit out of touch compared to the rest of them. Also, as demonstrated during his introduction on Calth, it's already established that he is capable of 'forgetting' his true identity while he lives out the life of a humble soldier loyal to humanity.
The bits about Malcador are pretty great. I think Abnett is doing a good job sending him off in a respectful and meaningful way.
I'm not too bothered by the Custodes being enthralled by Chaos. It's very clear to me that Horus is supposed to have become a dark mirror of The Emperor himself. Their sacrifice is to show depths of his power. And it represents another sacrifice for The Emperor. He must personally slay his chosen companions. It is a blade into his ego and in his heart. It also forms part of the Faustian bargain he made before and or is being forced to make upon his accession. It has always been my opinion that the powers of Chaos set him and all of these events up specifically to turn him into a god of order. To help balance out the degenerate nature of the powers of chaos. Chaos knows that it will either consume the galaxy in its entirety itself, or something like the Nids or Necrons will roll up and do it for them. So it's in their own interest to set up The Emperor and install him on the pain engine known as the Golden Throne, and to feed him millions of psykers of 10,000 years. And to condition humanity into worshipping him as a god. So that when the time is right. He ascends to Godhood and brings about 'the end times'. Or rather, 'the end of time'. I have always suspected the the 40k universe is heading into the direction that AoS has gone if I understand it correctly. Where the galaxy descends into a non linear universe where reality and the warp have merged. And the great game can continue in perpetuity. This is the ultimate win for the powers of chaos.
Thank you for the vid! It was very enlightening!!!
Very interesting read! And yeah I hope a lot of these come up I’m the next book!
Oh and I think Valdor will play a part in The Emperors ascension. It think it's in this book where The Emperor communes with Valdor and unlocks the shackles of loyalty giving him a much greater degree of free will no? I believe the King in Yellow, if it is Valdor. Is using all the knowledge he has gained fighting various deamons with the Apollonian spear to craft 'warp weapons'. As seen by the army of winged blood angels kept in status. I think perhaps he is seeking The Emperors true name either in order to safeguard it from His enemies. Or more likely, to return it to The Emperor himself. I suspect The Emperor may have traded his name to the Gods when he went through the warp gate a Molech. I think he went there both to make a deal with the dark powers in order to empower Himself. But that was only part of a grander subterfuge. He went there and made a deal so that he could really steal the Promethium "Fires of Creation" in order to craft his sons. Although the former part of this theory really is speculation on my part. But considering we have multiple sources claiming he made a deal with them, I think there is some merit to my theory.
But ultimately, I don't see Valdor turning on The Emperor or ever truly giving up on him. I think perhaps The Emperor gave him enough free will so that he could actually doubt The Emperor. So that he could better serve him by using his own initiative. For a hand crafted being that's supremely psycho-conditioned for loyalty, I think only Valdor, with the lessons learned from the Apollonian spear. Can withstand the pressures of actually truly doubting and second guessing The Emperor without falling to insanity and corruption. There is also still some mystery as too his true origins. We know The Emperor figuratively 'moved mountains' specifically to 'recruit' him into his Companions.
Very interesting perspective, especially the bit about the emperor trading his name!
John Gramaticus: "I'll come back for you..."
Ingo Pech: 🥹👍
Me: 🥱
also justt wanna say your excerpts are awesome bro
AAAAAY THANKS MAN
I would love to see similar deep dives on the rest of the siege books. :)
I am so glad to hear another soul burn with hatred for john grammaticus.
John haters unite
The Samus part was/is really hard to understand.
Probably easier for native speakers, dunno.
Also, Valdor not a traitor or evil. I'm betting a shit ton of money on it and I'm very, very sure about it. No joke.
Besides that, super dope video and channel!
43:05 For the feelz.
Bro you are for the people with these exerpts keep it up
The end and the death go all the way back to Horus Rising. Not just the solar war. The demonic whispers that the imperial army and Luna Wolves began hearing in the whisperheads(mountains on the planet 6319, where Horus slew "the Emperor".).
You need to do one of these for every HH book. Just my two cents
I'd like to give my own crackpot theory in order to hopefully assuage your fears about the Sacrifice that helps the Emperor slay Horus. The original story of Olly P standing up to Horus has been long since changed (retconned is perhaps not the right word) to change it from a ordinary human to a Space Marine, a Terminator and finally a Custodes. I think we will see all of them (though I do not have a theory for the Terminator). As for Olly, a lot of people seem convinced he will not end up on the Vengeful Spirit because he did not teleport there. I direct you, reader, to two things: Garvil Loken also was not teleported and he is on the Vengeful Spirit and Olly P has a magic BS knife that lets him teleport across space and time. Olly's story is building up to him reuiniting with the Emperor, burying the hatchet of past conflicts and sacrificing his immortality as the Oldest Perpetual to give the Emperor time. Not also, he knows Enuncia and there is no way Dan will not have that factor into his finale. As For Johnnny Grahm, his story makes more sense if he stays on the planet and gets involved in the Alpha Legion stuff so I (hope) he will not end up on the Spirit. Does not make sense with his current story. As for the other listed persons, the Space Marine/Terminator will of course be Loken. His story arc requires some kind of final showdown with Horus. As for the Custodes, we have a special named Custodes who has served as a POV, Caecaltus Dusk, who also happens to bear the last sigil of Malcador with an express order to "Do not fail him." I think it is likely all three of these individuals will sacrifice themselves in some way during the final fight, canonizing both the original lore and the contradiction made along the way. Hopefully. I have faith in Dan that he will do it right. Just please no smarmy John Grammaticus dabbing on Horus' corpse. I beg thee
Will you do the same type of video for part 2? It would be really great as I can't get my hands on it atm.
I will! I took a ton of notes while listening to the second book!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary More crying sections coming. Didnt expect that this book would feel so final in 40k. It is like wrapping up the story after so many years of theories.
My guess is that Konrad, Angron, Abaddon, and the Space Wolves might have been purged. They were born for war, warriors at heart. I do not think they could have put down the sword. 😢
Great refresher going into book 2 thanks.
Great work!
54:59 but that’s exactly what happened isn’t it? The entire heresy is his fault, he’s not a person, he is a weapon.
Jaghatai Khan would have to go once the galaxy was conquered and the Astronomicon was unable to be extended further
Russ would be the last to go, if he had to go, to be the Emperor's heads man. Jaghatai would be the Primarch patron of the Rogue Traders while he was active though
a 60 book buildup to absolute apocalypse
A theory about the emporer's ascension; when psychic races create a god and are consumed, this is typically done all at once. But the emporer has been consuming souls at an pretty incredible pace over the millennia. What if his plan was to spread the sacrifice of souls to power him up over a long time so that he didnt consume the entire species all at once. Additionally, those that view the emporer as a monster aren't necessarily wrong; he did design and create the imperium of man, the worst regime imaginable, after all. He is multifaceted-hoping for the best but not shying away from committing great acts of evil.
5:42 when does that happen i listened this on audible so i must have missed it while i was distracted with something
Let's be real John Grammaticus will be the "random guardsman" Horus yeets.
Please God don’t jinx it
@@livefromtheblacklibrary search your Abnett, you know it to be true.
N O O O O O O O O O O O
I'm going to be honest here, I wrote the channel off after the "no more John G after the book legion". But I listened to other vids, and realized you're just fucking about. Thank the Emperor for that, bc these videos BANG!
Amazing video, thank you so much!
love it! i have a suggestion if thats ok, less jazz and more atmospheric music fitting to 40k? its a bit nicer to listen to
I’ll keep that in mind! Thing is I feel the atmospheric music doesn’t fit too well when I’m being funny like in the John Grammaticus bita
@@livefromtheblacklibrary thanks for reply :)
Hmm tavern music? Not sure , thanks though !
Read 1 but this is the perfect previously on super long civil war recap before volume 2
Man I absolutely love the space ghost nod
My favorite part was when they tried to pry that one custodes out of the door or the floor, I cant recall.
amazing video bro
Part 2 should be releasing really damn soon iirc. So I can't wait for part 2 of this video
I think Kurze could adept to peace time as when he ruled nostromo he was a pretty good ruler after crime went to zero
i think valdor is trying to find Big e's name to bind his fragments back together
i think it's related to the star child
Thanks for the great review.
I really enjoyed the music you used while you were doing the Malcador voice, any chance you could share it? Sorry, I know this is an older video, and its perhaps some music you worked hard to find, but if you would be willing to share, that'd be cool.
Catching up on your older Vids
38:49 so are the other chaos gods spawned from ancient long dead psychic races?