Mitsubishi iMiev | Fully Charged
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2010
- A review of the Mitsubishi iMiev and what it's like to use every day.
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Fully Charged is an online show hosted by Robert Llewellyn (Red Dwarf, Scrapheap Challenge, Carpool), which looks at why we need to change how we think about energy consumption now. From looking behind the myths of renewable energy, to seeking the truth about electric cars, Robert Llewellyn demonstrates what the future could have in store for us all. 
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Re-watch this 12 years later, still so good.
Fourteen years ago, this video was listed on RUclips. It's amazing how far we've come in this amount of time. I had an i-MiEV -- a 2012 model -- on lease for $0 down and $69 per month. It was brilliant as a go-to-work vehicle on city roads. Cheap, torquey off the line, but that's about it. But that's all it took to get me hooked on EVs. I'm driving a Kia Niro EV now, with 4X the battery of the i-MIEV and double the charging speed. The Kia is a much nicer car than the Mitsubishi to be certain, with things like space for 5 adults, a usable boot, and actual sound dampening... but the i-MiEV definitely had its charms.
Having a bit of nostalgia looking back. We've come a long way in 8 years.
10 years... This is from 2009
Um... you must mean 12 years? It's currently 2021! (Actually almost 2022... -> 13 years 😆)
... and the clock keeps ticking .... and any absolute number assigned to a relative value comparison attempting to quantity the difference between an arbitrary point against another variable point that is subjected to the inexorable passage of time (such as that of any reader at the specific moment they are reading these comments) will immediately begin to expire in its relevance...
Just thought I'd state the obvious, just for the record 😀
Fun to watch this almost a decade in and see how far we've gone, still a ways to go, but EVs have become much more compelling and affordable since then.
It's fun watching this ancient video, when you were still new to the EV world
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Gosh, I hadn't watched this before! What a gem! :)
Robert, even before viewing this.. I would love to have you re-visit this car, in light the the progress made in the last 6 years... and whatever upgrades have been made to this car now... and the role of the Less Capable EV's today.
Same here. I just brought one of these (the Peugeot branded version) used for £4k. Hardly cutting edge now, but does everything I reasonably need and I'm really, really happy with Iona :) - My take is that it's actually easier to have this car now than it was then - we now have a waaaay better destination and highway charging system. Back in 2010 these cars were essentially constricted to a 35 mile radius around home. Now I can drive it up to relatives in the Midlands with 2 stops en-route, which is fine for me as I like to stop and stretch my legs and get some fresh air.
It's an electric classic as I like to say :)
Even though it's not that old
Peugeot @@lmlmd2714
I am test driving the 2012 miev tomorrow and I'm super excited! Only $5900 US with only 22,000 miles!
Naomi Talking Money is japanis car?
You're lucky.
In Canada, there is one for $6000 CDN or about $4500 USD
Does it have quick charge? I had one without quick charge. Only buy electric cars with quick charge. That's more convenient.
So, how was it?
I'd still Love an iMiev as a little town car, or even better the Japanese iMiev Minicab which is the same chassis and battery but with a little van body on top!
Bobby! We bought our first EV- the iMiev !! Yay!!
Fun, aren't they? Mine makes me grin a lot. I love it :)
Wow I was there the day Robert picked up the imiev and got a photo with him. Amazed the car still has an MOT although its not covered many miles.
Can we take a moment to appreciate the drummer? Absolutely killing it!
Thinking to buy this one used and found this gem
This deserves to go viral. Everyone needs to see this!
The harmonies in this song are out of this world!
i might just be able to afford one of these now
Found this by accident and now it's my new favorite video.
Excellent!
Love the show, glad we have a new episode!
Looking forward to the next one.
Great demo at the end, great series all around Robert !
Am watching each episode one after the other, without waiting a week for the TV station to air it...now that's fast charging for an info head too :)
This brings back so many memories. Nostalgia overload!
The production quality on this is insane. Well done!
Watching this on repeat. Can't get enough of it!
The lyrics hit me right in the feels. Beautifully written.
Wow this is great. Didn't realise you guys had been going so long 👍
My mother is about to buy a Peugeot Ion!! I'll hear more about it in about 14 days! Very exciting times!! :P
I'm loving these videos, thanks for making them! Liked, favourited and shared on facebook!
NIce video Robert. Well paced, interesting. The Llewellyn Video Enterprise keeps on growing!
magnificant review !
I fully agree - thank you for your work
Great episode Robert!
It sums up the state of the current EV vehicles and all the pros and cons in 10 minutes!!! Well done old son!
"Brevity is the soul of wit"
Here we are in 2018. They are STILL making this car. Price now £15999, although I bought mine second-hand (2011 version Peugeot iOn) and they have done NO upgrades to this at all. Which I find a bit of a shame but I suppose they would have to put the price up. The 60 - 70 mile range (depending on temp., heater, etc. suits me and I have travelled from Gloucestershire to Birmingham and Cornwall in it.As Robert says if the wait at the charger(s) are likely to be too long for your liking. You could hire or use public transport. The improvements in infrastructure is beginning to become noticeable as I can imagine when this was filmed chargers were few and far between.It is not a fast, sporty car but I have surprised a number of drivers when pulling off. What REALLY underscored the difference for me was, when it was in for repair after a shunt, I had to drive a hire car. Lovely new Astra, I put £10 of fuel in and the fuel needle NEVER MOVED. I ended up putting £30 worth of petrol for trips that I would be essentially getting for free as I have solar panels at home.So although, not very informative in a buying sense. This was still a useful trip to the beginning of the journey.
Loving this show!
There's one of these for sale used near me today. I think the seller is asking too much. Interesting to see this vintage video about it.
Big fan of Red Dwarf and also Fully Charged Podcast.
Thank you for posting the video!
Watching this video 12 years later because I just purchased a used Mitsubishi I'm last week.. I got it as a non-running car but we're not sure why yet hopefully it isn't the battery because a replacement battery is $16,000 US dollars without labor that's just parts..
It might be the onboard charge controller which is only $4,000 US dollars or it might be a 50 cent resistor that needs to be resoldered I should find out next week from the mechanic at the dealership but I'm looking forward to driving this cute little car and I hope I can manage to make it work for my 60 mile round trip commute in the dark both ways in the cold and the rain.
It seems the odds are against me as far as having enough range remaining .. to cover my daily commute but will give it a go maybe my employer will install a charger at work and if I have one at home we can make this work out pretty good
Just discovered this channel and I'm hooked. Subscribed!
Truly fabulous review. Really did explain everything others don't. Much respect.
Awesome shot... thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Low mileage, second hand ones available now for around 7 grand. Makes a lot of sense.
+William Dryden interesting! what range i wonder after all these years
Neighbour has just bought a pre-owned C-Zero version of tested car with 11,000 miles for £5750 and is indicating 78 miles winter time.He has yet to test its max range as 99% of his use is well below this, I find the same with an Ampera where I run electric everyday with a winter range of 35 miles.
+ferkemall. The Ampera is a hybrid, something you clearly didn't understand.
I fully fully agree with you. Consider this: a) We have the infrastructure b) We'll be getting more Plugs. c) For daily use Range Anxiety is not really the problem. It's, what I call, Charge Anxiety.
Love it. And unlike my test-drive of the iMiev you actually timed it. (I counted wrong and said it took less time than it did ;) )
Great episode Robert. I enjoyed the sound comparison at the end - and even at low speeds I suspect electric cars, though quiet, aren't totally silent either. Most small-engined modern petrol cars are almost silent in traffic so I can't see any justification for the impending regulations requiring them to make a noise.
Nice take on the screenwash cost too. Taking away the cost of fuel and of most servicing items that ICE cars require, I'm sure other car-related goodies would seem expensive!
I have had "Mi-EV" for over two years here in Seattle now, and LOVE IT. Wish they would DROP the silly " i " part of the name. What a great bunch of marketing things they could do if they just called it "Mi - EV" Which stands for Mitsubishi Innovative Electric Vehicle" example .... interested by stander.. "Excuse me miss, How do you like your Electric Car" owner responds " I LOVE Mi-EV" GET IT !!!!
The "i" part comes from the Mitsubishi i car which it is based on, which had a 660cc turbo petrol engine.
hello , do you still have your I miev and has it been dependable ?
I got my used 2012 i-miev for 2 years now. very dependable, no repairs or any maintenance fee. It cost 200$ of electricity to do roughly 12000 km / year. The transferable 8 year warranty make it a good car to buy second hand if you drive less than 50 km each days.
The car looks from the front/side view remarkably like Rovers last proposals for the replacement Mini before BMW took over.Joe
You are correct, the Japanese produced a combustion engine version with the engine under the rear just like the proposed Mini before the electric version seen here. Renault and Smart recently chose the same configuration with more conventional styling.
In the Netherlands Mitsubishi almost halved the price of the Miev. It costs 20.000 Euro now.
They so need Quick Charge points at EVERY Service Station on EVERY motorway in the UK!! I disagree. The body style IS sexy! It is one the few cars that will not look completed dated by 2020 (2013 now.Less than 7 years away). More cars like it please!!!
Viewing this in 2019 - it is quite amazing that the 2009 iMiev used to cost £30,000 and had a range of 75 - 80 real world miles. 10 years later, you can get 40kw Nissan Leaf for a bit less than that which is well appointed and has decent range. As EVs continue to scale prices are going to come down even quicker.
Can we pls have a look back at old videos. In essence a look see how fast things have changed
Some things changed for the good more than ever expected.
Unfortunately too many new cars of any fuel are too big, too expensive and too ineffective for mass adoption of EVs.
Great review! My biggest issue with this car is the specialized home plug that needs to be installed by an electrician. I rent my house so I can't see spending the money on the dock if I would just have to move it when I buy a house. It seems like it would be a good idea to provide a standard home electricity option, even if it takes a long time. I am normally done driving on weeknights by 9pm so having the option to charge all night would not be a problem.
Funny to see how things evolved. Currently driving a Kona EV and getting a Kia EV6 next. Looking for a MiEV (or its siblings C0 / Ion) as a secondary car.
On "the world of fake sounds" article at boingboing, a commenter pointed out the following in response to this video:
"Note that tire noise goes up on the order of the *fourth* power of the velocity. Those cars were moving along at a good rate of speed.
Now go back and tape both cars, moving at 10-12 miles per hour (as they would be if they just started up from a stop sign and are about to hit a pedestrian)."
Love your videos- @2:20 Carpool Prius R.I.P.
re visited this show 5 yrs later!! still relevant but advances had been made since the making of this video!
I had no idea this channel had been around for so long.
Great review. Will you be able to get your hands on a Nissan Leaf anytime soon?
Interesting 0-60 test too. That time puts it in the same ballpark as my 120-odd horsepower Mazda MX5 - not bad at all.
Wow that's actually a pretty good 0-60.
Haha I always used to argue with my dad that electric cars still made road noise and motor whine and therefore weren't silent.
Nicely done. I dont know why but I always smile every time I hear the whine of that electric motor :) See! I agree that the chargers and the cars being expensive BUT the cost compared to just a few years ago has been dramatically reduced and it will follow the same law as consumer electronics. Theres no doubt that electric cars are here and here to stay if you take into consideration how much money and effort corporations, gov't and VC's are putting into making them work.
@lockhughes I was talking about the actual motor, which lasts incredibly long with comparatively little wear due to having only one moving part. In this way it ought to retain value unlike ICEs which lose most of their value after just a few miles.
العملاقة ميتسوبيشي تسبق عصرها دائما .
سعرها 4500 دولار والان لوسيد وتيسلا ب K50-K80 دولار
جنان ،،
Im a huge fan of driving. Im also a Mitsubishi man. I rather drive my evo ix getting around 8mpg and spending a ton of money than I would to drive the imiev. As long as gas is still around I can easily fill up anywhere and, I still get that wonderful driving feel that Mitsubishi use to be known for.
3:45 Funny detail, this Mitsubishi iMiev was charging next to a Mitsubishi EVO X !
While watching your video an ad for a 4wd suv was displayed. Hmmm.....
I own a small electric car similar to the Mitsubishi iMiev. I can go 80 miles at 60mph in the summer. 50 miles at 60mph in winter(sub freezing). I drive 80 miles round trip to work each day with no problem. I charge at home and at work. The 80 mile trip costs $2.40 with my electric car and $12.50 with my gasoline car.
Loved your video, although it's getting a bit dated by now. It gave me a somewhat more positive view of the iMiev, my least favorite electric car. Maybe a used one would be interesting? But there a VERY, VERY few of them on the roads in Montreal.
I would love to drive that beast.
@Jesus45U - That's brilliant. If the supply for electric trains can cope with trains which in some cases need upwards of 10,000 KW to power them, surely they can help power a charging station for a car with a 50 kwh battery... (OK, so not all infrastructure can cope with that kind of load, especially not with a lot of cars charging at once, but it's still a really good idea overall.)
So 10 years on are these or their clones worth buying or should I go leaf, I haven't got huge budget so looking at old leafs or maybe a similar age one of these, any tjoughts
So 3 years on, what did you choose?
@@pHD77 running a leaf 30 , had it over 2 years , done 19,000 miles , just love it. Been very reliable , just 12v battery goes flat quite often , seems to be an issue on most leafs. What you running now. Do still like the imev
@Woodee When you are braking the energy is put back into the battery.
I have a question does anyone know if this car can manage very steep hills? I live in north Wales and I think this would make a great first EV
This video is great! The idea of electric cars are fantastic, but I think for urban dwellers specifically for people who live in apartments, like myself, it is problematic. Unless there are electric charging stations like gas stations, it would be difficult for me to find a spot charge the car. Also it is really a shame about the high cost. I really think its urgent for people to switch to non polluting modes of transport, but the high cost really prevents people from doing the switch.
That was very good review indeed. But one question that none of the EV car reviewers answer and which is particularly important in deciding to buy the car is how long will the batteries long. And when they do come to an end of life or for that matter the half life, how much will it cost to get a new battery pack which can make it work as it was when u bought the car. Sir it would be great if you could answer that question.
I seem to remember a review of a french ev car that is cheap because you buy the car,, but not the batteries. The auto co. retains ownership of the batteries for the life of the car and they'll replace them if you have any trouble with them. Or loan you an ICE car if you need to make a long trip.
Also you pay a small rental fee for the battery. Could this work for you?
Looking at buying one of these tomorrow. Any users out there with any comments?
3 years on - what did you get?
@@pHD77 Many but not at iMiev. EV is a Nissan 87kW Evolve eForce
Just a quick Q, When you charge at the motoway stop's and car park will it cost you a premium rate? If so how bad will it be?
good show by the way. and brill news about Carpool being on proper Telly!
@REPOMAN24722 - And you quoted fuel prices that were about 50% higher than I remember from the last time I was in Australia. On a basic level, electric motors are 3-4 more efficient than combustion engines. This should be reflected in the costs involved, but batteries have a horrible energy density compared to petrol & LPG. The Tesla S claims a range of around 480 km. But the battery to make that possible weighs more than 500kg. Even so, the real problem remains the use of non-renewable energy.
@kuzlovsky12 Standardization of battery packs does tend to reduce costs to consumers. However, leasing increases the costs. Why would you want to increase the cost of the battery?
Hi. I would like to ask whether anyone does not know where is located the horn and how to fix/change it in case it is not working.
Thank you.
iMiev, 58 dB. Petrol, 60 dB.
@brian9827
Super capasitors could be recharged in about 30 seconds or so, with enough energy form a charging station.
Supercapacitors main issue isn't recharge time, it's capacity, size and price. A capacitor bank the same size as a 50 KWh LIPO battery has roughly in the area of 10-20% the capacity of the LIPO and would cost more ... depending on how well they are buildt and how well they are cooled ... etc. etc.
I'm hoping a hybrid between capacitors and batteries comes out.
@ultimazer1 For the BetterPlace model to work, you can ONLY plug in to a BetterPlace charger. So you cannot connect at your Grandmother's house or any other place. This is how they charge you per mile. You must use their charger.
@j101saar The Leaf actually lets you drive on electricity for 100 miles or so, without paying for petrol, which saves you money. So you can go on a longer trip than 40 miles with a Leaf using only electricity. You can't with a Volt. As I said, a Volt may make sense for some people, but so does a Leaf.
What do you say about a used one of these? There is one for $9k with 15k miles for sale near me in the US.
+pioneer7777777 you must calculate how far you can go with ~60 miles or with recharge ~120 miles
@lockhughes This is true of standard Li-Ion Cells with deep cycling. Cells for these cars are different and may have as many as 10,000 cycles before dropping to 80% of original capacity. The battery must be good for 150,000 miles and 10 years to meet California standards.
Depends on the type of battery and the way it's been buildt up.
Most lithium battery cells can be charged from empty to full in around 3-4 minutes if you have enough power and cooling. Just look at RC batteries. But the technology is there, and has been for a while.
@ultimazer1 Actually fast charge stations can store charge overnight when grid use is low, and they can use cheaper battery chemistries to do so. Then they can use some of that during the day if grid demand is too high. Plus, people might just have to wait a few more minutes sometimes, just as when there is a long line at the gas station. Most people will charge at home, overnight, when it's cheaper. Why pay extra and spend time at a charge station if you don't have to?
@JohnCBriggs Toshiba have just as we speak announced theri mitsu partnership .Toshiba has developed a new original anode material and a new electrolyte that enhances both safety and rapid recharging. the SCiB battery offers an exceptionally long life of up to 20 years, is capable of accepting 6,000-plus charges and is rapid recharge ready and can increase the range..thisis what happens when money and R&D are put into car batteries
@ultimazer1 Making them exchangeable increases cost rather than decreases them. Added cost for connectors, double enclosures. In what way does interchangebility decrease cost?
@ultimazer1 To answer the question about BetterPlace consider this. Which is cheaper, buying a car or leasing it? and why?
@ultimazer1 Ask yourself this question, what is the most expensive part of an EV? It is the battery, right. So in order to make battery swapping work, BetterPlace must store a significant number of additional batteries at the battery swapping station. These are an added expense that Nissan LEAF owners will not have. Also, for BetterPlace, you must have one of their charging stations at home, also an additional expense that you must pay for.
@vonnikon You're absolutely right. Price of Li-ion batteries is not so expensive.
Maybe the Mitsubishi supplier (GS-Yuasa) provides too much expensive Li-ion batteries. They should change their battery supplier.
In addition, the iMiEV has only 16kWh batteries. So, if the supplier is ThunderSky:
16000/3.2=5000 dollars of batteries (3,221.85 GBP).
The 47kW electric synchronous motor and the inverter may cost $5000.
But the price is over £30000 and it's absolutely not justified.
On the very last point about noise, having nearly been knocked down by a puris in a car park - they are very quiet when going slowly, which unluckily coincides with area of high pedestrian / car interaction. As far as i'am concerned I should of looked where I was going.... but its still a problem.
A petrol car right now, can enter the fueling bay, refuel, pay the bill with card and leave the bay in 5 roughly minutes. That's what an EV quick charger really needs to compete with.
Entering the bay, plugging in, then charge for 15-20 mins, and then having to unplug, and pay the bill - it is gonna add up in time, and meanwhile the queue is growing - Must be faster.
And also, you'd have to put up the quick starging stations at about all service stations, as it is, they are way to scarce.
@KuraIthys
The train network would probably not be able to power the entire infrastructure if everyone changed to electrical cars, but it would certainly be a good start. And there's plenty of space next to most rail tracks, that you could add more powerlines for future expansion.
The real issue here, is that electrical cars are not very useful because they take so long to recharge, this could help alliviate that problem, making them more useful.
@j101saar Sorry you're not convinced, but I've actively been involved in researching and pricing EV systems for a while. I know that BMW paid ACP $11K each for the motor/controller system used in the MiniE for example, in quantity, I know that UQM charges $25K for single units of their system, even half that would be $12.5K. Yes EV's similar to these were produced in the 90's, and the costs were extremely high for the same reasons. The components are still made in very small quantities.
One of Robert's Classics, with spot on predictions regarding price. ( 2013 ) While many makes continue with the foolery of "compliance cars" which are cheap conversions of dubious merit and minute production numbers.. Nissan forged ahead making the Leaf a World Car... produced and sold all over gods green earth.. and evolving nicely. With VW and BMW trying to play catch-up, while Citroen and Renault make EV's that will never see the shores of the U.S, for lack of a dealer net-work. Funny how the Koreans managed where the French opted out.
Capt Larry Our neighbor has a Leaf and she already had "Charging system issues". She finally got her car back a few weeks later. The problem is most Dealerships do not have anybody who knows how to SERVICE the cars they sell. Some have to wait for a factory employee to fly out and solve the issues. Which is why Tesla sends out their own people to fix any issues customers may have.
Tesla will also send out a high end hooker.. wont they?
Capt Larry Well since you are the expert at sleazy women, I'll let you answer your own question. Some of us don't like STD's and only sleep with classy chicks.
@Ferkemall - That's the reality of pretty much everything you own. Technological advances lead to greater specialisation. Indeed, pretty much *all* current production ICEs are not roadside fixable and rely on computers to control them. EVs however have the very real and signifcant advantage of much greater reliability (proven in real world use) due to being mainly solid state technology - there's far, far fewer moving parts, much less heat, friction and mechanical wear. My car is the same as the one shown here, 5 years old and far from cutting edge in terms of range (16.5kwh is under half the battery capacity of the new Zoe, and less than a 5th that of a top of the line Tesla Wankfest). Do I worry about range? Honestly? No. I can honestly say I don't fret about it. Would I like a bigger battery? Sure. But it's not a big deal, I'm certainly not going to fork over a ton of money to buy a load of battery capacity I don't need.
My my how have the years passed.
And too many EVs now while competent are too large, expensive, heavy and pretentious
Options like the iMiEV, C-Zero and Ion is sorely needed today
@paultrd The silent bit was a bit naughty really as the issue is not with vehicles at high speed as Robert showed but with relativity low speed vehicles. As a cyclist in a congested city I have been almost caught out by an electric van, that pulled out silently and without indicating(and without looking), now on congested bits of road I am in habit of looking out vehicles with tailpipes and am doubly cautious around them
Wow I was shocked at the retail price! I love the idea and a car like that would be a great replacement for my own run around. But that initial price is just the only stopping point! Just get some decent designers on it!
Also the noise of the car comes from the tyre rubbing on the road. I imagine at slower speeds it would be quieter in comparison but people walk out on petrol cars because they are not paying attention anyway. An electric car wont make any difference.
I think you're upstaging Carpool with this show.
Works for me.