Captain Janeway could make the Borg flinch and Q piss himself, she is The Russian Mama in Oitnb.... And her voice speaks with an edge honed like a mama bears claws but tender as a mother's love raspy with wisdom etc etc
@@MBOmnis Right?! Claudia Black has such a sexy mysterious voice. The moment I met Morrigan in DA1 I was like "oh OK here is my waifu" she's got to be the most interesting character here in this game with that voice. Also the guy who played Zaeed Massani as well as the quartermaster I think in DA:Awakening. He has a really badass voice, you hear him from the first time and you know this guy is a badass.
My warden would have teased her with it for sure. Although he would probably be excited with her. It's very cute how excited Morrigan gets about that book XD
Chasind yeah but if you’re on Xbox one and really don’t wanna go and buy dragon age origin to get the dark ritual or have the feralden champion who is Lilliana’s bf 😂 makes sense finally on why I don’t get it but it should be a god damn dlc for it if you don’t have the other two games to completely complete the actually actions take place in every single actual game through
Inquisitor: Kneel and be in awe of Mythal Hawke: Brought Mythal back to life Warden: Killed Mythal and used her dragon skull as a beer mug You can see who's at the top of Mythal's shit list 😂
Flemeth looks heartbroken at what Morrigan said, she realizes that she was not the mother she should have been and I think it's touching when she lets Kieran go and tells her that she was "never in danger". It shows that Flemeth underestimated Morrigans desire for power over her love for her son and Warden (in my playthrough).
I think it's simpler than that, Flemeth is just a tragic figure. Because she carries the soul of a "god", she's basically more of a long-term/big picture thinker (it doesn't help that the god who's decided to take up residence is a god of justice). But this doesn't mean that she doesn't experience life just as any other mortal does - and the pain you see when Morrigan offers herself to her (as if Flemeth were a genuinely evil person) seems exactly like the pain a mother would feel whenever their son/daughter accused them of being "evil" when in fact they are only trying to look out for them the best way they knew how. Flemeth obviously cares about Morrigan and even Kieran, considering the many options she had for dealing with them - she always used the least confrontational/placating approach each time. This would then explain her parting words - these are the words of hurt parent, not a regretful one. Hurt that Morrigan would think her such a terrible mother despite the fact that Flemeth seems to have actively tried to avoid crossing paths with her. Hurt that (if she mentions these words in the well) Morrigan still thinks ill of her, despite her own flippant reaction to Morrigan's attempt at matricide. Hurt that (if Morrigan drinks from the well) Morrigan chose a path that led her straight back to Flemeth, and now Flemeth has to use Morrigan whether she wanted to or not. Hurt that for all their time together Morrigan still doesn't seem to understand that she does care - her words basically amount to "if you didn't want to do it, then you didn't have to... that's always how it's been". And she probably hates herself for being that way, because although Flemeth and Mythal share similar long-term goals they obviously have very different ideas about short-term concerns. Although she admits that they are now just one being, Flemeth's manner implies that she still sees her and Mythal as distinct somehow (like the situation with DA:O's Wynne and her own spirit). A regretful parent would simply be apologizing or offering excuses.
flemeth was also abusive. she thought she was making morrigan stronger, teaching her to beleive love was a weakness, and such. I'm glad she's regretful. Flemeth probably always loved Morrigan, but that doesn't mean she was a good mom. good on Morrigan for confronting her and generally being a better mother. also thought it was a test to pick at Morrigan's character. does she still hold power above everything? or does she care for her child? it's a way to tell where her loyalties lie--it tells Flemeth where to strike if she needs. it gives her an advantage.
I love that Flemeth seems genuinely hurt by the cruel words Morrigan throws at her. I think somewhere deep down in her soul Flemeth truly loves her daughter.
In Origins, Morrigan tells the Warden that Flemeth taught her harsh lessons but they were necessary for survival and that she was better for it. But out from under her mother's thumb, she realizes this isn't the case. That's why she'll never be the mother to Kieran than Flemeth was to her.
@@HeavyRockin1 Whatever happend there? WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?! I'll tell you what fаскin happend. This piece of 💩 god put 6 arrows in Mythal, without any provocation whatsoever!
One day someone will summarize the terrible events of your life so quickly "A person accused of tearing the sky, was beaten down but not broken, gathering allies and unite Thedas, beating back the darkness"
Lelouchxzero1 only to be betrayed by the people they helped (if romanced Iron Bull betrays you; even their loved ones) including Fen’Harrel himself and the power that was bestowed upon him.
Iron Bull only betrays you if you choose to sacrifice the Chargers. Doesn't matter if you romance him or not, result remains the same if you sacrifice them. That's why I always choose to save them :P
So...Flemeth was planning on transferring Mythal into Morrigan. Not prolonging her own life. Interesting I wonder what Mythal needs to do that she needed to live through the ages.
After Tresspasser, there seems to be an old ongoing war between the old gods and the (supposedly) elven gods. One scene in the DLC reminds me a bit of the Protheans in Mass effect, trying to preserve themselves for the new age. They were all in some kind of lyrium coffin.
Well, yes and no. The original Flemeth is long gone. For her to keep going by that name implies that the personality of Flemeth has long since merged with Mythal's. Which raises the question - has it also merged with the many daughters over the years? That would explain the "other names" mentioned, no?
I've always wanted Flemeth to directly acknowledge Morrigan's romantic involvement with my Warden in this scene. Morbid part of me wants to hear Flemeth scold her for attachment to a man, just to enjoy Morrigan defending her and the HoF's love. Is that weird? lol
lol now I see Alistair was right in the first game! Morrigan does look a lot like her mother... Flemeth is the best witch in history! I love her so much!
Flemith is .one of the best character ever written. I knew she was special from that swamp meeting, she just catches your attention and the voice actor has been performing superbly.
I also adore her character Design. She has very noble features with piercing green eyes perfectly fitting a witch. Young Flemeth would be one of the hottest Females of Dragon Age imo.
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Imagine Morrigan's reaction when seeing her mother, like "HOLY SH-"
Since day one I have loved Morrigan to death, wish she was a playable character in part 3, I miss all the wise cracks she made in Origins, especially when she says Allister is still the dumbest in the group that has a dog, lol.
27:00 is still super sad when you know that this is their last conversation... Morrigan last "wait" is heart breaking. I love their family drama, beautiful and well written characters :D
9:20 Anyone else get the feeling that when Flemeth is talking and facing this direction that she is aware of US? (the players) That she knows we're listening and watching more of the story and lore unfold while providing the same to the other characters? I could just be over thinking this, but it just sort of feels like something that would fit in with Flemeth as a character. pretty creepy
I suppose it would be too much to ask Morrigan to share her new understanding and knowledge with the Daelish. What she knows and can uncover could help them immensely in recovering elven heritage
why Morrigan cares about preserving history, I doubt the Dalish would beleive the word of a Shem. they're stubborn and prideful. can you imagine if they discovdred what the valasline is? they probably wouldn't beleive it.
When you look at this out of context, and you are told to believe this grand leader of the Inquisition got this far by following the voices he hears in his head.
I wonder what Flemeth meant with: "She was betrayed, as I was betrayed - as the World was betrayed." Clearly she talks about when she (Mythal) was betrayed by the Elven Pantheon and was murdered, then she (Flemeth) was betrayed by her husband. But what about the World? Is she talking about the Andraste thing where she (Andraste) got burned alive tho freeing the elves/mages/world from Tevinter? Or is she talking about the Blight? And I guess with saying "for a reckoning, that will shake the very heavens." (when asking why Mythal came to her) she is talking about Solas, whom wants to reopen the Veil - and she is waiting for it to get her revenge against the Elven Pantheon?
It's so thoroughly impressive, how you played through and then organized these clips! Thank you! I'm also impressed bioware had so many threads. There is a lot of story and options to weave together. I didn't know of these other options.
Seeing Kieran and Flemeth renews my hopes that perhaps one day Kieran, mama Morrigan, grandmother Flemeth, half-sister Anora, and brother-in-law Alistair will all somehow end up in the same room together, the King and Queen of Ferelden completely oblivious to the lovely family reunion that's taking place. Meanwhile, Warden Loghain sweats in a corner, praying to the Maker that Anora never realizes how the two families are related.
+Kreuzkruger89 So in the first Dragon Age game, you can make a series of choices which lead to this beautiful family unit. This is about to get a bit complicated, so bear with me here lol. Loghain is the father of Anora, current queen of Ferelden. you can convince Alistair to marry Anora, thus making him king and Loghain his father-in-law. Later on, you can force Loghain to join the Wardens and convince him to have sex with Morrigan (for actually important reasons, I swear lol). Morrigan, who is the daughter of Flemeth, becomes pregnant and their child is Kieran. Kieran would thus be a half-brother to Anora and a brother-in-law to Alistair. It's probably also important to mention that Alistair hates Loghain and has a serious distrust of Morrigan. Loghain moreover also hates Morrigan as well as Flemeth, and is not aware of the fact that Flemeth and Morrigan are actually related.
So, the meeting in the forest is, if Kieran doesn't exist or is ordinary. While the one in the veil is automatic to Kieran being special ? Wished Kieran could stay special.
My Kieran was special, so more than likely seeing as that is how Flemeth is confronted. She has no reason to go near the veil if she's not taking the soul from the looks of it.
Why wouldn't she be hurt? As she said herself, Morrigan (and even Kieran) were never in danger in the firstplace, yet Morrigan happily told us since game 1 that poor old swampy Flemmeth was eating children to stay young - the very same Flemmeth who has no problem cutting a deal with the hero of Fereldan to save everyone the trouble of fighting over a mere book that Morrigan wants for power because, if you haven't noticed, that's Morrigans top priority (until she actually had a child, at least). TLDR neither are innocent or victims. There's a lot of sad layers underneath it all that are easy to miss. As much as I like Morrigan as a character, I never liked how Flemmeth was essentially a backstory cameo across three games - and now she's gone for good. They really should have used her more and played on their 'conflict that actually isn't really a conflict' vibe, just ancient secrecy.
RopeDrink u do realize flemeth put a piece of her soul in the mirror when solas kills her. (maybe he even took the old gods soul and nothing more) flemeth is really clever u know that right.
That doesn't mean she'll return - and even if she does, it doesn't mean she'll return in this form. Until/unless she comes back we can only assume she's gone.
Asha’bellenar is what I have always called Flemith since Dragon age 2, I see her as Meril see’s her a powerful character that just is the most detailed and self serving but also does truly love her daughter. I have always loved her since origins like she is my all time favorite character.
I wonder if Flemeth too is under geas of Mythal, bound to carry out Mythal's agenda? She seems very lonely. Perhaps she raised such a feisty daughter to alleviate that loneliness. But at same going all secretive and tricky, i wonder if that's all meant to protect Morrigan from Mythal's agenda? It's all unfortunate that Morrigan being like a typical rebellious teen, just filled the gaps with her own presumptions, tried to play her own power games, and caused lots of trouble to Flemeth and others.
@Tig Bitties Oof that comment was long time ago, but I believe that kneeling option did actually look different for elves, aka she would not in kneel like humans do etc.
Wait,wait!Match the archdemon's power given time!?So,if my male mage Inquisitor drank from the well and given enough time...Can he too match the archdemon's power!?Wow,I would love to see that.
What makes Morrigan say the "I will take my chances" instead of "He returns with me"? I just encountered it for the first time and it was way different from what I usually see.
0:00 - 3:12 I’ve never seen this part before; I’ve played Inquisition several times and I’ve never seen the scene where Morrigan is reading that book on the bench.
+Thomas Brennan If I had to guess, one is for a Morrigan who was with the Warden and the other covers a Morrigan who is no longer romantically involved or never was in the first place.
probably the difference between "normal" human kieran (morrigan in romance with the warden but no dark ritual used) and old god kieran (dark ritual used).
Guess you have the book and the temple scenes if there is no Kieran. As well as you have the temple if Kieran is human, and the fade if Kieran is an old god.
I remember watching a playthrough of Flemeth talking about what was in a boy: A dragon of some sort that was sealed away during the fifth blight. At least I believe it was the fifth. Why was that not shown?
I didn’t even know the first scenario that existed. It’s must be from an Origins play through where you don’t do the dark ritual. I’ve always done it but I now want to go back and not do the ritual to get that scene
What series of choices do you think are best purely for a romanced Morrigan, the Warden and OG Kieran (ignoring everyone else)? Spoilers are welcome. BTW, this is a 100% metagaming question: what do you think given what happens in Inquisition and Trespasser and anything else the devs have said?
Til this day I don't understand why Morrigan gave a ring to the Warden which allowed her to track him but never gave an item with the same enchantment to Kieran. It makes totally no sense at all in my head... 😂
My memory is kinda fuzzy, but wasn't that ring something Flemeth made to track Morrigan and Morrigan was able to manipulate it for her own use? She may only have one and she have it to the Warden.
So, is the only differences between Kieran being full human, and him being part Old God?: 1. Flemmeth taking (it looks like anyway) the part of the Old God soul and saying "No more dreams," and just not 2. Morrigan saying only "Just posess me now," and "posess me now, but I will be a better mom than you!" 3. All while everyone in the scene talking about Kieran as if he IS part Old God, regaurdless of if he is or isn't
Flemeth is Janeway, Janeway is Flemeth.. >.< Star Track meets Dragon Age. Oh well, if Kate had to do any voice acting, she rocks at this one. Her best work ever!
At the end of this Morrigan acts like she didn't know that Flemeth wanted to steal the soul of the old god but that's a lie. Before the ritual the warden asks Morrigan if coming along from the beginning was just a ploy to use him to steal the old gods soul. If romanced she says that its why Flemeth sent her but falling in love was never part of the plan.
The one thing that I couldn’t figure out is how did Flemeth knew of the deal between my character or Alistair with Morrigan the night of eve of battle.
Well I always assumed that Flemeth pass on Morrigan her love for old magics and powers like she said. And then, probably taught her some dark secret rituals like the one for a baby old god. So, she knew when the Blight will come that Morrigan would'nt resist to try that ritual or even push her to go with the warden (I don't remembe exactly, it's been a long time for me since my last DAO) Then the hero lived despite killing the ArchDemon... not so hard to put 1+1 for Flemeh I guess
I am pretty sure this was the sole purpose of sending Morrigan with the Warden. I thought Morrigan admitted as much in DAO, but can't remember for sure now.
@@polymorphesquirrel Yeah, Morrigan tells the Warden that the Ritual was why Flemeth sent her with them. She is also the one who told Morrigan about the Ritual.
Flemeth is ultimately the final boss for the series right? All things considered she is just like Solas in that her lust for vengeance is a threat to everyone currently living in Thedas. The line "a reckoning for the ages.” Shows me that in the end herself and all the other Elven gods will have to be killed in the finale of the series. They are the biggest threat to Thedas.
@@wolves600 They are sealed away. Solas in Trespasser basically says none of them are dead, when he says "You have met the spirit of Mythal have you not, my ancient kin are not so easily killed" or something along those lines.
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The voice acting from both Morrigan’s and Flemeth’s voice actors is some of the most powerful I’ve heard in most media.
Bridgette Whitehead duh, Flemith is captain janeway
Captain Janeway could make the Borg flinch and Q piss himself, she is The Russian Mama in Oitnb....
And her voice speaks with an edge honed like a mama bears claws but tender as a mother's love raspy with wisdom etc etc
So many comments about Kate Mulgrew, but not a peep about Claudia Black. :c
@@MBOmnis Right?! Claudia Black has such a sexy mysterious voice. The moment I met Morrigan in DA1 I was like "oh OK here is my waifu" she's got to be the most interesting character here in this game with that voice. Also the guy who played Zaeed Massani as well as the quartermaster I think in DA:Awakening. He has a really badass voice, you hear him from the first time and you know this guy is a badass.
@@albertoj.mollinedo4116 Yeah, Zaeed's voice actor was also great. Too bad he passed away :/
Can y'all imagine how many play thoughs or at least the ungodly amount of saves this person must have. That alone to me is impressive
or how many saves he has ....
@@notoriousbig3k "or at least the ungodly amount of saves this person must have"
Mods
Save editors but still
Morrigan with the book, I've never seen her so excited, she's adorable! (She wouldn't much appreciate that but my Warden loves to tease her)
there should be option for quisi to romance her =)
My warden would have teased her with it for sure. Although he would probably be excited with her. It's very cute how excited Morrigan gets about that book XD
I've played this game for hundreds of hours and don't remember the book scene?
@@JD-Media This scene only happens, if Kieran was never born. That means that both the dark ritual wasnt made and you didnt romance Morrigan.
Chasind yeah but if you’re on Xbox one and really don’t wanna go and buy dragon age origin to get the dark ritual or have the feralden champion who is Lilliana’s bf 😂 makes sense finally on why I don’t get it but it should be a god damn dlc for it if you don’t have the other two games to completely complete the actually actions take place in every single actual game through
Inquisitor: Kneel and be in awe of Mythal
Hawke: Brought Mythal back to life
Warden: Killed Mythal and used her dragon skull as a beer mug
You can see who's at the top of Mythal's shit list 😂
And with Mythal threatening their son, I'd say this is one fight I want to stay WELL away from when the HoF returns to the known parts of Thedas.
Ha!
Flemeth looks heartbroken at what Morrigan said, she realizes that she was not the mother she should have been and I think it's touching when she lets Kieran go and tells her that she was "never in danger". It shows that Flemeth underestimated Morrigans desire for power over her love for her son and Warden (in my playthrough).
I think it's simpler than that, Flemeth is just a tragic figure. Because she carries the soul of a "god", she's basically more of a long-term/big picture thinker (it doesn't help that the god who's decided to take up residence is a god of justice).
But this doesn't mean that she doesn't experience life just as any other mortal does - and the pain you see when Morrigan offers herself to her (as if Flemeth were a genuinely evil person) seems exactly like the pain a mother would feel whenever their son/daughter accused them of being "evil" when in fact they are only trying to look out for them the best way they knew how. Flemeth obviously cares about Morrigan and even Kieran, considering the many options she had for dealing with them - she always used the least confrontational/placating approach each time.
This would then explain her parting words - these are the words of hurt parent, not a regretful one. Hurt that Morrigan would think her such a terrible mother despite the fact that Flemeth seems to have actively tried to avoid crossing paths with her. Hurt that (if she mentions these words in the well) Morrigan still thinks ill of her, despite her own flippant reaction to Morrigan's attempt at matricide. Hurt that (if Morrigan drinks from the well) Morrigan chose a path that led her straight back to Flemeth, and now Flemeth has to use Morrigan whether she wanted to or not. Hurt that for all their time together Morrigan still doesn't seem to understand that she does care - her words basically amount to "if you didn't want to do it, then you didn't have to... that's always how it's been".
And she probably hates herself for being that way, because although Flemeth and Mythal share similar long-term goals they obviously have very different ideas about short-term concerns. Although she admits that they are now just one being, Flemeth's manner implies that she still sees her and Mythal as distinct somehow (like the situation with DA:O's Wynne and her own spirit).
A regretful parent would simply be apologizing or offering excuses.
@@whokilledmydoggie That's deep bruh
I also noticed she felt bad when the elven inquistor asked why she didnt show when they kept praying to her
flemeth was also abusive. she thought she was making morrigan stronger, teaching her to beleive love was a weakness, and such. I'm glad she's regretful. Flemeth probably always loved Morrigan, but that doesn't mean she was a good mom. good on Morrigan for confronting her and generally being a better mother.
also thought it was a test to pick at Morrigan's character. does she still hold power above everything? or does she care for her child? it's a way to tell where her loyalties lie--it tells Flemeth where to strike if she needs. it gives her an advantage.
Generational trauma in a nutshell
I love that Flemeth seems genuinely hurt by the cruel words Morrigan throws at her. I think somewhere deep down in her soul Flemeth truly loves her daughter.
In Origins, Morrigan tells the Warden that Flemeth taught her harsh lessons but they were necessary for survival and that she was better for it. But out from under her mother's thumb, she realizes this isn't the case. That's why she'll never be the mother to Kieran than Flemeth was to her.
It’s amazing how close to the mark Morrigan was about the elven gods just being glorified rulers. Ha.
She did even say at the Temple that they might have been just very powerful mages. That was actually right on point but didn't know it yet.
@@stomponshao Even better if Solas comes along, he gets to see someone accidentally put everything together in front of him
Historically, Solas always said the Evanuris are nothing more than a glorified crew.
20 ages in the fade, not a peep.
@@DJinKERRY831 the dread wolf, whatever happened there.....
@@HeavyRockin1 Whatever happend there? WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?! I'll tell you what fаскin happend. This piece of 💩 god put 6 arrows in Mythal, without any provocation whatsoever!
"He will be better off without me... just as I was better off without you."
Oh honey
What triggers that dialogue and not the other?
One day someone will summarize the terrible events of your life so quickly
"A person accused of tearing the sky, was beaten down but not broken, gathering allies and unite Thedas, beating back the darkness"
Lelouchxzero1 only to be betrayed by the people they helped (if romanced Iron Bull betrays you; even their loved ones) including Fen’Harrel himself and the power that was bestowed upon him.
Iron Bull only betrays you if you choose to sacrifice the Chargers. Doesn't matter if you romance him or not, result remains the same if you sacrifice them. That's why I always choose to save them :P
Damn yall work at Bioware?
Oh don't forget starting a war dealing with espionage from the quanari and the world vs elf demigod solas too. Well the fun never stops.
@@bradykinder1060 or if you dont do his personal quests.
Am I the only one who felt incredibly sad at 27:00?
The look on Flemeth's face was incredibly sad.....
lol those leaves 13:03
Flemeth has to be one of my all time fave game characters. Her design (DA2 onwards) and demeanor are awesome.
Merril would cry so hard.
So...Flemeth was planning on transferring Mythal into Morrigan. Not prolonging her own life.
Interesting
I wonder what Mythal needs to do that she needed to live through the ages.
+Sambal91 Reminds me of the spirit of justice from Awakening and Da2.
After Tresspasser, there seems to be an old ongoing war between the old gods and the (supposedly) elven gods. One scene in the DLC reminds me a bit of the Protheans in Mass effect, trying to preserve themselves for the new age. They were all in some kind of lyrium coffin.
Well, yes and no. The original Flemeth is long gone. For her to keep going by that name implies that the personality of Flemeth has long since merged with Mythal's. Which raises the question - has it also merged with the many daughters over the years? That would explain the "other names" mentioned, no?
Ember Leo Ember Leo A nice theory... It fits; and makes Morrigan's relations with Flemeth simply that much more tragic.
I wonder if Flemeth took the old god soul so when Solas comes for her, he will take the wrong soul giving her and Mythal the chance to live longer
My elven Inquisitor could never hand over the legacy of her god to Morrigan.
"I am many things, but I will never be the mother you were to me" Her delivery was impecable. Wow
Right? Physically winced at that line; it's a really good one but Damn
I've always wanted Flemeth to directly acknowledge Morrigan's romantic involvement with my Warden in this scene. Morbid part of me wants to hear Flemeth scold her for attachment to a man, just to enjoy Morrigan defending her and the HoF's love. Is that weird? lol
What about when Morrigan set her boyfriend on Flemeth in the first game, I wanna hear her bring that up lol
@@JD-Media she already did 22:25
@@tommyvercetti3263 Oh wow, thanks that's a letdown.
@@JD-Media yeah...no mention of the warden...shame hope he will be mentioned a lot more in DA4 or even make a cameo but i doubt it...
@@tommyvercetti3263 in DA4 Bioware hinted that The Warden is coming (why keep calling him ferelden hero his the Warden General now ... )
lol now I see Alistair was right in the first game!
Morrigan does look a lot like her mother...
Flemeth is the best witch in history!
I love her so much!
Flemith is .one of the best character ever written. I knew she was special from that swamp meeting, she just catches your attention and the voice actor has been performing superbly.
I also adore her character Design. She has very noble features with piercing green eyes perfectly fitting a witch.
Young Flemeth would be one of the hottest Females of Dragon Age imo.
Imagine Morrigan's reaction when seeing her mother, like "HOLY SH-"
Since day one I have loved Morrigan to death, wish she was a playable character in part 3, I miss all the wise cracks she made in Origins, especially when she says Allister is still the dumbest in the group that has a dog, lol.
To be fair, that dog is smarter than several of the group members, not just Alistair.
Alistair was jelous and was way younger back then and naive and still believed in the chantry BS now he believes in his sword
11:36 The Warden and Hawke :D
True :D
I don't like that there's no way to save the old god's soul, it's like Bioware didn't want to go through with Kieran's concept and just.....wussed out
Who's to say it's gone?
Yup
@@briarrosegael2015 sadly, almost all team is gone that was working on DAI
@@MrZiva82 DA4 will be made by another team and continues from DAI
27:00 is still super sad when you know that this is their last conversation... Morrigan last "wait" is heart breaking.
I love their family drama, beautiful and well written characters :D
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Excuse me DA4 isn’t out yet I’m positive we havnt seen the last of Flemeth her character is to beloved.
8:26 Kinda disappointed she didn’t say “You are required to do nothing. Least of all believe.”
That book scene at the beginning... o o f. Nothing feels better than seeing someone you love that excited about their passions.
9:20 Anyone else get the feeling that when Flemeth is talking and facing this direction that she is aware of US? (the players)
That she knows we're listening and watching more of the story and lore unfold while providing the same to the other characters?
I could just be over thinking this, but it just sort of feels like something that would fit in with Flemeth as a character. pretty creepy
Elian Rodriguez dang your right kinda creepy she looked straight at me
@@AG95247 yes she breaks the 4th wall in all 3 games she breaks the 4th wall not always talking to warden hawk or inquisitor
Flemeth's acknowledgement and breaking of the 4th wall makes me question if the player represents something beyond just the character we play.
I suppose it would be too much to ask Morrigan to share her new understanding and knowledge with the Daelish. What she knows and can uncover could help them immensely in recovering elven heritage
CaptainRed1000 play trespasser alot will be revealed
Already have, mate. That has nothing to do with what I said.
why Morrigan cares about preserving history, I doubt the Dalish would beleive the word of a Shem. they're stubborn and prideful. can you imagine if they discovdred what the valasline is? they probably wouldn't beleive it.
When you look at this out of context, and you are told to believe this grand leader of the Inquisition got this far by following the voices he hears in his head.
13:03 that fuckin leaf...
Damn I wish they made a movie or a graphic novel of Flameth's backstory.
The Warden+Morrgan romance with the happy Which Hunt ending is my favorite. I hope their family is reunited in the next game.
I wonder what Flemeth meant with: "She was betrayed, as I was betrayed - as the World was betrayed." Clearly she talks about when she (Mythal) was betrayed by the Elven Pantheon and was murdered, then she (Flemeth) was betrayed by her husband. But what about the World? Is she talking about the Andraste thing where she (Andraste) got burned alive tho freeing the elves/mages/world from Tevinter? Or is she talking about the Blight?
And I guess with saying "for a reckoning, that will shake the very heavens." (when asking why Mythal came to her) she is talking about Solas, whom wants to reopen the Veil - and she is waiting for it to get her revenge against the Elven Pantheon?
i think by "the world" she means the veil. it's pretty obvious she supports Solas' plan to take the veil down. hence, the world will pay.
Woahh this is goood
daaaaamn im in love with how morrigan looks and thinks, she's like the yenniffer of dragon age, wish i could romance her in inquisition :(
Okay the way she looked at the screen at about 9:20 is like her breaking the fourth wall and it was kinda creepy
Great compilation, thanks!
I love the stories around Flemeth, Morrigan, Kieran and the old gods! Lots of theories in these lines!
It's so thoroughly impressive, how you played through and then organized these clips! Thank you!
I'm also impressed bioware had so many threads. There is a lot of story and options to weave together. I didn't know of these other options.
I always loved the dialogue in these games. It was extra funny how the pride demon in 2 gets stronger because of it too.
Seeing Kieran and Flemeth renews my hopes that perhaps one day Kieran, mama Morrigan, grandmother Flemeth, half-sister Anora, and brother-in-law Alistair will all somehow end up in the same room together, the King and Queen of Ferelden completely oblivious to the lovely family reunion that's taking place. Meanwhile, Warden Loghain sweats in a corner, praying to the Maker that Anora never realizes how the two families are related.
+ItoFumika I don't know either, could you explain pls?
+Kreuzkruger89 So in the first Dragon Age game, you can make a series of choices which lead to this beautiful family unit. This is about to get a bit complicated, so bear with me here lol. Loghain is the father of Anora, current queen of Ferelden. you can convince Alistair to marry Anora, thus making him king and Loghain his father-in-law. Later on, you can force Loghain to join the Wardens and convince him to have sex with Morrigan (for actually important reasons, I swear lol). Morrigan, who is the daughter of Flemeth, becomes pregnant and their child is Kieran. Kieran would thus be a half-brother to Anora and a brother-in-law to Alistair.
It's probably also important to mention that Alistair hates Loghain and has a serious distrust of Morrigan. Loghain moreover also hates Morrigan as well as Flemeth, and is not aware of the fact that Flemeth and Morrigan are actually related.
The insane amount of noclip and glitches/bugs in this game, yet its still good. I love it!
So, the meeting in the forest is, if Kieran doesn't exist or is ordinary.
While the one in the veil is automatic to Kieran being special ?
Wished Kieran could stay special.
Okay, cool, people keeps liking my comment, but, it doesn't answer the question, i'm actually asking.
My Kieran was special, so more than likely seeing as that is how Flemeth is confronted. She has no reason to go near the veil if she's not taking the soul from the looks of it.
It is an abandoned koncept of Bioware
Hm.. Ive never had the scene where morrigan reads the book. I guess I have to make a world state where she doesn't have Kieran for that >.
Nathalie Magnus she must drink from the well
You can also get that scene if Kieran is a normal human, not a God-Soul human
flemeth is so freaking cool!
23:07 you know what we're up against
Better than you can possibly imagine.
A truly interesting response! 🤔
*27:16* she has the nerve the look hurt. BISH YOU SHOWED UP TO KIDNAP HER SON! HOW DID YOU THINK SHE WAS GOING TO FEEL?!
Why wouldn't she be hurt? As she said herself, Morrigan (and even Kieran) were never in danger in the firstplace, yet Morrigan happily told us since game 1 that poor old swampy Flemmeth was eating children to stay young - the very same Flemmeth who has no problem cutting a deal with the hero of Fereldan to save everyone the trouble of fighting over a mere book that Morrigan wants for power because, if you haven't noticed, that's Morrigans top priority (until she actually had a child, at least). TLDR neither are innocent or victims. There's a lot of sad layers underneath it all that are easy to miss. As much as I like Morrigan as a character, I never liked how Flemmeth was essentially a backstory cameo across three games - and now she's gone for good. They really should have used her more and played on their 'conflict that actually isn't really a conflict' vibe, just ancient secrecy.
RopeDrink u do realize flemeth put a piece of her soul in the mirror when solas kills her. (maybe he even took the old gods soul and nothing more) flemeth is really clever u know that right.
That doesn't mean she'll return - and even if she does, it doesn't mean she'll return in this form. Until/unless she comes back we can only assume she's gone.
RopeDrink jeah but u said she's gone for good. u don't know that. she could come back next game.
Asha’bellenar is what I have always called Flemith since Dragon age 2, I see her as Meril see’s her a powerful character that just is the most detailed and self serving but also does truly love her daughter. I have always loved her since origins like she is my all time favorite character.
The look and sound of confusion and fear when Morrigan realizes what Flemeth is.. wow
I wonder if Flemeth too is under geas of Mythal, bound to carry out Mythal's agenda? She seems very lonely. Perhaps she raised such a feisty daughter to alleviate that loneliness. But at same going all secretive and tricky, i wonder if that's all meant to protect Morrigan from Mythal's agenda? It's all unfortunate that Morrigan being like a typical rebellious teen, just filled the gaps with her own presumptions, tried to play her own power games, and caused lots of trouble to Flemeth and others.
you have forgotten the elven "kneeling" option at the altar ;)
@Tig Bitties Oof that comment was long time ago, but I believe that kneeling option did actually look different for elves, aka she would not in kneel like humans do etc.
I love Flemeth in all the three games, great adversary, pleasantly acidic in tone and brilliant voice acting. I miss this game!
Wait,wait!Match the archdemon's power given time!?So,if my male mage Inquisitor drank from the well and given enough time...Can he too match the archdemon's power!?Wow,I would love to see that.
I may be wrong but I believe she will be revealed as Andraste as well.
Oh I hope so
respect for how many times you must have replayed this to record all options
What makes Morrigan say the "I will take my chances" instead of "He returns with me"? I just encountered it for the first time and it was way different from what I usually see.
I had the opposite. Not sure what triggers it.
Having a romance with the warden, maybe? I don't know, it's the only thing that comes to my mind.
I've always liked her more than flemeth, she really knows her stuff and is a super memorable character
I imagine morrigan going back home to give her warden to yell at him and ask as to why her mother lives.
WHAT ARE YOU PLANS FLEMETH TELL ME
Gives her power to Solas at the end
@@alnotbiggaytho7124 not entirly, she stores something in the eluvian before he comes
That handsome inquisitor serious face at 14:58 😂😂😂🤣
is the scene without morrigan's son if she didn't get the old god's soul?
11:12 floating leaf
13:05 damn nature u scary
One day, someone will summarize the terrible events of your life so quickly.
0:00 - 3:12
I’ve never seen this part before; I’ve played Inquisition several times and I’ve never seen the scene where Morrigan is reading that book on the bench.
Why does Flemeth look like Rita Repulsa?
A soul is not forced upon the unwilling morrigan you were never in any danger from me
what causes the slight dialouge difference when Flemeth offers to to take or leave Kieran
+Thomas Brennan If I had to guess, one is for a Morrigan who was with the Warden and the other covers a Morrigan who is no longer romantically involved or never was in the first place.
probably the difference between "normal" human kieran (morrigan in romance with the warden but no dark ritual used) and old god kieran (dark ritual used).
8:52 This is a Princess Bride reference, right?
Damn he's a big lad for a 11 year old. Id say its because of the old god soul... But he's that size even withouth it.
13:02 wtf is that lmao
This takes on a whole new meaning when my headcanon is that Morrigan is my inquisitor's stepmother.
but what if no one has a kid with morigan does any of this even happen?
Guess you have the book and the temple scenes if there is no Kieran. As well as you have the temple if Kieran is human, and the fade if Kieran is an old god.
This whole time there are other ways to meet Flemeth?!
WAIT WHY DOES SHE KEEP LOOKING ST THE SCREEN INTO MY SOUL
I remember watching a playthrough of Flemeth talking about what was in a boy: A dragon of some sort that was sealed away during the fifth blight. At least I believe it was the fifth. Why was that not shown?
Best part of the game right here.
What armor is the Inquisitor wearing? I love Flemeth, btw :)
Isn't it great to wait 3 years and still not get an answer? 😂
@Tig Bitties Ikr lmao
This scene always makes me want to play Oblivion/Skyrim again. Fighting gods. Flipping off Daedra left and right.
I didn’t even know the first scenario that existed. It’s must be from an Origins play through where you don’t do the dark ritual. I’ve always done it but I now want to go back and not do the ritual to get that scene
Flemeth, the Baba Yaga of Dragon Age. Fuck Morrigan, Flemeth all the way!!!
What series of choices do you think are best purely for a romanced Morrigan, the Warden and OG Kieran (ignoring everyone else)? Spoilers are welcome.
BTW, this is a 100% metagaming question: what do you think given what happens in Inquisition and Trespasser and anything else the devs have said?
How do you get the Fade meeting with Kieren and Flemeth? I just had the option to go to the temple altar to meet her.
2:52 Not THAT just cracks me up hard... :D
Til this day I don't understand why Morrigan gave a ring to the Warden which allowed her to track him but never gave an item with the same enchantment to Kieran. It makes totally no sense at all in my head...
😂
My memory is kinda fuzzy, but wasn't that ring something Flemeth made to track Morrigan and Morrigan was able to manipulate it for her own use? She may only have one and she have it to the Warden.
@@juanlaise1059bingo.
So, is the only differences between Kieran being full human, and him being part Old God?:
1. Flemmeth taking (it looks like anyway) the part of the Old God soul and saying "No more dreams," and just not
2. Morrigan saying only "Just posess me now," and "posess me now, but I will be a better mom than you!"
3. All while everyone in the scene talking about Kieran as if he IS part Old God, regaurdless of if he is or isn't
Flemeth is Janeway, Janeway is Flemeth.. >.< Star Track meets Dragon Age. Oh well, if Kate had to do any voice acting, she rocks at this one. Her best work ever!
Morrigan looks like she could be Lulu's (FFX) twin sister.
I never got that first scene, Morrigan with the book. When and how did you get that?
At the end of this Morrigan acts like she didn't know that Flemeth wanted to steal the soul of the old god but that's a lie. Before the ritual the warden asks Morrigan if coming along from the beginning was just a ploy to use him to steal the old gods soul. If romanced she says that its why Flemeth sent her but falling in love was never part of the plan.
The one thing that I couldn’t figure out is how did Flemeth knew of the deal between my character or Alistair with Morrigan the night of eve of battle.
Well I always assumed that Flemeth pass on Morrigan her love for old magics and powers like she said. And then, probably taught her some dark secret rituals like the one for a baby old god. So, she knew when the Blight will come that Morrigan would'nt resist to try that ritual or even push her to go with the warden (I don't remembe exactly, it's been a long time for me since my last DAO)
Then the hero lived despite killing the ArchDemon... not so hard to put 1+1 for Flemeh I guess
I am pretty sure this was the sole purpose of sending Morrigan with the Warden. I thought Morrigan admitted as much in DAO, but can't remember for sure now.
@@polymorphesquirrel Yeah, Morrigan tells the Warden that the Ritual was why Flemeth sent her with them. She is also the one who told Morrigan about the Ritual.
All I hear is Captain Kathryn Janeway when Flemeth speaks.
I never had the scene with Morrigan and her book I guess. When did you get that one? I have to replay DAI xD
hello I know this is an old vid but how do you get the part where Morrigan is reading the book? dose she not have Kieran to get that one?
So.. is your character fully customizable ?
Where did you get the quest for this altar from? Apparently it never showed up to me. :/
I´ve never seen that first part before.. is that what happens if Kieran doesnt exist?
ok but what is the name of that outfit/armor that their inquisitor is wearing at 18:11 bc that is such a serve 🤩💅🏼
So is this different with a human Kieran?
nope same
28:12 what triggers this and not the other one?
My character drank from the well not her. I never really trusted her
Flemeth is ultimately the final boss for the series right? All things considered she is just like Solas in that her lust for vengeance is a threat to everyone currently living in Thedas.
The line "a reckoning for the ages.” Shows me that in the end herself and all the other Elven gods will have to be killed in the finale of the series. They are the biggest threat to Thedas.
I'm pretty sure all the other elven gods are already dead
@@wolves600 They are sealed away. Solas in Trespasser basically says none of them are dead, when he says "You have met the spirit of Mythal have you not, my ancient kin are not so easily killed" or something along those lines.