They are very unlikely to nail the writing in Inquisition is anything to go by. the games have been dropping in quality overall since the first, I expect 4 to keep with that trend. I'll probably still wind up buying it though....
The story its done alredy with the end of DA3 and holy shit we have tevinter and blood magic... but i really suspicius they will drop the ball and make the whole story around social justice bullshit. Thats the vibe im getting.
I actually don't think Flemeth has ever lied to neither the protagonist or others. That would be to crude. BUT she does say things in a way that makes you believe she means something else and therefore influences people to do what she wants anyway. For example, she wanted Morrigan to perform the dark ritual. BUT she knew that if she told that to Morrigan, she would be suspicious or downright turn her down out of spite and sense of freedom. But... Flemeth knew that if Morrigan found the information herself, her thirst for wisdom would make her do the ritual anyway. And forbidding Morrigan from touching her grimoire would make it irresistable to her. Morrigan believed that Flemeth was angry at the ones stealing the minor grimoare (the one found in the mage tower). But... what if Flemeth let it be stolen so that she later could make Morrigan stumble over it... Flemeth knew the Warden and Alistair where going to the Circle Tower. And that with Morrigan in tow she would certainly try to find it. And in it read some half-truths about Flemeth "consuming" her daughters which would make Morrigan extremly focused on getting the right one. In the end Flemeth was not suprised and already knew that the Warden was there to kill her and take the grimoare for Morrigan. Almost like it was her plan all along...
I just don't agree with the minor grimoire being allowed to be Stolen intentionally by Flemeth, especially because for what I understand, that grimoire was stolen even before the Blight started.
@@SeventhheavenDK Flemeth plays the long game. She didn't cook up the Dark Ritual after the blight, but certainly long before that. She might also have given some nudges to the Architect to make him awaken the Archdemon earlier to make things fit in her timetable.
I am absolutely certain that Flemeth or at the very least Mythal is going to be the final big bad we face in the Dragon Age series in some way, shape or form. Be it as Flemeth, as Morrigan or as a fully revitalised Mythal. The theme of justice turning into vengeance has been too prominent in the series for this not to eventually become her fate. A noble purpose being turned into a twisted tyrade of terrible destruction over the ages. Dragon Age over all just very much feels like her story. With each game we are adding a new piece onto it. Until she is finally ready to execute that big plan she's had brewing for so many centuries. Even Solas, I think, will only be another pawn in her grand design, as so many have been before him.
Wow you really opened my eyes with this one. Never realised how strong of a theme the justice -> vengeance pipeline was throughout each game And now I’m remembering ‘She was betrayed as I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed’
@@HelenHunt69 Precisely. Mythal clearly has always been smarter, stronger and more powerful than them. Smart enough not to take part in their infighting and to bring Fen'Harel on her side. Strong enough to remain alive despite being betrayed by her fellow gods. And powerful enough to have lived on and shaped the events of the world to her will for centuries upon centuries. What would actually disappoint me is if she needed us as the players to "rescue" or avenge her by taking out the Evanuris on her behalf. That would cheapen her position in the lore and all the build-up of her character so far immensely. She has a plan for this world, we've known that for a while. And that plan better dwarf the intentions of her fellow Evanuris, Solas included, in comparison.
@@MURDERFACE555666 "Mythal clawed and crawled her way through the ages to me, and I will see her avenged!" In Flemeth's own words, there will be a "reckoning that will shake the very heavens". And I don't think Mythal cares any more about casualties than our very own Solas. He seems to have retained more of his "humanity" than Flemythal has. And that is saying something, considering he is willing to let the world burn to bring back the Elvhen.
@@colinnixon7739 I would not even be certain that Solas will be the final Boss of Dreadwolf. But I am talking about the series as a whole. There's no reason to believe that DA:D will be the final DA game.
I am not into that "flemeth under my bed", I am into flemeth on the balcony with me drinking hot beverages discussing the secrets of life and saying her cryptic one liners/nuggets of wisdom that turn out to be so true. She honestly reminds me of one of my older professors in college who always said one-liner things that I only understood much later on.
Holy fuck. I did not realize this until now and I've played all the games + inquisition three times and seen Voyager multiple times over. I was unironically searching "dragon age captain of the starship voyager" until it clicked what I was searching 😆
It looked like she was transferring another piece of herself into the Eluvian before Solas showed up to claim her power. No way is that the last we've seen of her.
Actually, Flemmeth does not do it like that. It is more like a phylactery that stores a piece of herself. She needed to go to an elven site that probably enhances Mythal's elven immorality to bring Flemmeth back to life. The key is being there was no transfer in bodies. Corypheus transfers through the connection of the blight just like the old god. Mythal and Flemmeth most likely do not have that connection or she would have just taken control of Morrigan.
It's worth noting that Andraste was born at the end of the First Blight. We know that when the Tevinter Magisters went to the Golden City, they found no Maker. So, regardless of whether or not a Maker ever existed, it stopped being around at least as of the moment the Blights started. So, that begs the question: Who was Andraste talking to?
My favorite thing about Dragon Age is the lack of proof of the Maker. In most fantasy religion, "faith" per say isn't really needed as direct communications and magical powers are commonplace as comming from the gods. In Dragon age on the other hand, the faith in the Maker seems more real, rather than transactional. Without "proof" of the maker, Andrastens are true believers, as any magic in the world has plausible explanations outside of the Maker or the divine. To me, definitivly answering these questions would take away a part of what makes Dragon Age great.
Flemeth is straight up lying and it's been delicious to watch my characters dance to her tune. With the end of DAI I'm very excited to see what may come in Dreadwolf
This is sooo good. I Have always thought that Mythal was actually the big bad of the series. It's probably her killing the titan that set off the blight somehow. And the war Solas started is actually why Mythal was killed.
That probably had something to do with it. But I think Anduril bring back the taint from the void(whatever that place is) is the the true reason for the blight.
@@andrewvincent7299 Remember that Mythal stole her knowledge. But agreed that until the actual chain of events is established we have no idea. I will say this thos. The mural in Solas' base in Trespasser where "one outwitts them all" describing himself tricking the evanuris "in his own internal propaganda, specifically includes Mythal among those he thinks he duped. Not Sylaise, not June, or Dirthamen but the dragon which represents Mythal is specifically named. Now that I think about it it's kinda funny how even IN HIS OWN PROPAGANDA he considers HIMSELF the trickster god. But yea, the dalish got it all wrong lol
@@berilsevvalbekret772 I don't know 100%. What I do know is that blight might have already existed. I But why does Solas know what it is if it didn't? He went to sleep after they fell. He knows too much about the blight and it's sentience not to have had some personal contact with it before waking up in Inquisition.
I have a feeling what Solas did to Mythal/Flemeth in Trespasser was a mutual agreement. That Solas needed her power for something and Mythal wanted to transport somewhere, be preserved/hidden, or combine with Solas' power to achieve her own ends. Maybe they connected because Andraste (if related to Mythal) was fighting against powerful human corruption (Tevinters) and Solas against corrupt ancient elves (hence banishing them to the Fade by creating the Veil). But then in trying to restore the old elven culture, Mythal sees this as a way to put human corruption back in line, so to speak. That if the elven gods culture can be restored, the magisters have no chance of blighting the world endlessly. And since humans came after ancient elven corruption, they too will keep the elves from getting too powerful and corrupt as well, like before. Contributing to the mage / templar balance. I'm just not sure what Solas means by "your world will die so my people can live".
I don't feel like it was a mutual agreement perse. The vibe I got was that Solas was going to do that without her consent. Flemeth knew and let it happen because she has an agenda herself that she's going to let play out.
i read almost all these comments i swear - and i haven't seen this so let me just add this to all the brilliant comments below, Flemeth - with her pieces - is literally Voldemort with all her horcruxes all over the place. If she made a tiny amulet to give to Hawke to take to her shrine up on Sundermount, then you can bet that she has a backup plan. Maybe even on she gave to Solas herself. Or she'll appear in dreams and gently nudge some poor mage into doing her will until she returns. One thing I know for certain is that there's no way she's completely gone. She has survived the mOST sorts of bullshit, and betrayal and war - she IS the master of the game. Hell she's old enough she probably cREATED the game. I wouldn't even be surprised. i literally just made this comment to compare her to Voldemort because .... I have no reason. I just needed to a'ight.
Well, there had to be a reason why Mythal knew Corypheus' dragon would sever his body hopping, right? Tie that to the constellation of a lost eighth old god, and you can start to suspect how Mythal was killed ;-)
4:35 first time I'm hearing this theory, but now that I think about it, Mythal is often depicted as a dragon or with dragon-like features, so there must be a link there.
I mean, to be honest, I kinda figured Flemeth might be the BBEG of the series. She's always gave me the vibes that she might be the final boss of the entire series and that playing through the series is just slowly preparing you for it.
It seems obvious to me, since there are no other candidates left. It could have been the Magisters, but we already dealt with the worst of them (in a disappointing manner, but still). Who else is left to make a satisfying villain?
I agree. Mostly because she shows up in all of the main games: Origins, II, and Inquisistion. The fact that she can turn into a dragon in a franchise called DRAGON AGE is a pretty big sign in my book.
@@AulisVaara Plenty. Fen'Harel. Other Evanuris. Titans. Other magisters. Those Across the Sea. The Blight itself. Qunari. And that even assuming that the scale must rise and not reduce as it was with DA2.
I just realized something: Morrigan had a son. If Flemeth is a descendant of Andraste and the line was lost because they all gave birth to daughters. Would the birth of Morrigans son disprove that, or could it mean something else?
There Is a theory out there due to one of the writers tweets a while ago that hints that Solas could possibly be under some form of Geas, considering he has Mythals Vallaslin at one point. I do honestly think think after her Murder had been manipulating some of his actions without realizing it. After all Geas can be so subtle you can be deluded to believe those thoughts and actions are your own. I am personally curious what Dread Wolf Rising will bring us.
That's not how vallaslin works, though, not even during the Elvhenan empire. All it was was a marking denoting which slaves (or anyone else, really) belonged to which Evanuris. There was never a suggestion there was a magical compulsion to it or Solas would have mentioned that, particularly if your Inquisitor is in a romance with him during the conversation where he tells you the true history of vallaslin and asks if you want them removed.
@@FalenDragmire I am aware of that, while I do not believe the Vallasin could control someone, I am merely pointing out that at one point Solas was in a position of no power. It makes me wonder what else was done especially if you drink from the well and his dialogue does raise a few eyebrows like it is personal experience or something. Perhaps I was too vague in my thought process when typing that comment.
@@dakotab6448 Solas knows so much about the well because of his close relationship with Mythal. Why wouldn't he know so much about it or anything else to do with her? They were basically BFFs.
@@FalenDragmire I'm sure the Vallaslin acted as a buff-type thing (Magic Tattoos are a common power enhancer in various fantasy settings after all, sometimes they are consumed after usage, after which the painful tattooing has to be undergone again to reapply them, which takes time obviously), which explains why the slaves of the Evanuris could build a mountain-size statue within days w/ mere few thousand units of slaves after their god/owner told em to do it for him, if they were powered up by similar but more complete version of what Fenris had (I assume his owner found out about the Vallaslin stuff from some Elvhen ruin or another, but could never manage to properly get it to the capacity that the Evanuris did originally) Also I assume the Vallaslin the Dalish Elves apply to themselves is just fancy tattoos, presumably for the OG purpose of slave domination by the Evanuris, you'd have to apply some type of magic to the substance as well, so it's not just mere tattoos. Thus Solas wouldn't see any point in talking about it, since it wouldn't have the same effect it would have done under the Evanuris, but more of a symbolic visual related to slavery from his POV by the modern Elves
I dont believe she could be behind the blights, she is not lying. She is getting her way because she is good at planning. She is by far the wisest person in the whole DA world. If she turned out to be just another justice seeker turning into a crazy vengeful abomination I will be very very disappointed. Why is it that if someone is getting their way, they must be cheating or manipulating. She strikes good deals. She knows a lot but doesnt always share. She understands the hearts of men and what they tend to do. Sharing information is not always beneficial I think. Sometimes she could be self-serving, but who isnt. just because she takes advantage of the blights doesnt mean she is causing the blights. Whenever there is a disaster in Thedas, she is there playing her game maximizing her profit, striking deals with those who would save the world. Note that she could easily help Corepheyus and strike a good deal with him to get what she wants, if she really wanted the destruction of the world as we saw in the future without inquisitor timeline. I want her story to end by her getting back at those who wronged her and moving on her way, not like a big bad baddie. Flemeth is one of my all time favorite characters in the whole DA world. I like the idea she is a wise spirit who plays the long game pretty well. The one I wish we kill is Solas, maybe not in the next game but the game after that or something. Flemeth is just another gal with a plan :) that is how I prefer it. Like she says to Hawk when asked what is the catch "There is always a catch. Life is a catch! I suggest you catch it while you can", and that is what she does best, catching life while she can.
I really hope they don't mess up the new game, Inquisition was a great game, not as replayable and remembrable as the Origins but still pretty solid. I am currently translating the Dragon Age novels into Persian, the stolen throne is set to publish next month.
I love this deep dive into the culture and history of Flemmeth! OMG I need to go back and play through all the games because you inspired me and they are some of the best games ever!
An aspect I would like to put fourth is that the Dark Ritul shouldn't had been performed before it was done in Origins. The Wardens who killed the earlier Archdemons all died in the process. Sure there could had been some fibbling/assasinations done by Flemeth to cover it up. But since she didn't do anything to the Warden it sounds unlikely.
For some Archdemons there's a clear killer, sure, but not for all of them. Especially the first one is sus, since seven Wardens died while it went through its death throes. We also don't have a definitive slayer of the third Archdemon.
@@AulisVaara One wouldn't need a clear killer. What would be needed would be no surviving witnesses from the end battle. If a Warden made the killing blow and didn't die afterwards, all persons that had seen this would had to be put to the sword to make sure the most central doctrin of the Wardens stays intact. But there are two other very important factors why the ritual used in Origins was "new". 1. There is no need for the "father" to be the one delivering the final blow. In Origins it doesn't matter who father's the child or who gives the blow, the ritual still works. So all a daughter of Flemeth would need to do is to be impregnated by a Grey Warden and then stay close by the battle. If this was done all 5 times the idea that "the one delivering the final blow will die" wouldn't had take hold since it would had been proven false. The only reason we know about the ritual is that there are only (at most) 3 suitable fathers at the 5th. In the other blights finding a suitable sperm donor would had been quite easier so Flemeth would have no need to involve the Grey Warden command at all. Just make sure the pieces on the board literary where in the right position. 2. Flemeth may be an "old womsn talking to much" but she is not a gambler. And in the dark ritual-plan there are simply to much things that can go wrong. We need to remember that the Warden's goal is to kill the Arch Demons. The thought of their spirits lingering in the world would be appaling to them. The Wardens are more or less a cult of suicidal martyrs, the prospect of saving their own lives at the cost of the Archdemon staying in the world just to later succumb to the calling would not be enticing at all. Especially compared to the glory of sacrificing ones life to kill an Arch Demon. When Morrigan says that the donor need to be a newly initiated Grey Warden, we don't know if that is true. It's reasonable, and I do think Morrigan believes it. But we need to remember that all her information comes from Flemeth's Grimoare. Which Flemeth happily gives her as long as Morrigan believes it was stolen. So when Morrigan says that a more sessioned Grey Warden is unsuitable, is it becouse of the taint OR that Flemeth knows that a more senior member never would agree? Which also goes well in her hand in saving The two most recent recruits at the Battle of Ostagar. If Flemeths goal was to stop the Blight, why choose the most unsuitable candidates in the whole of Ferelden for the task? It could be that she knew that they hadn't been indoctrinated enough to say no to a chance of cheating death, if only for the moment. And still, the succes of the ritual is solemly based upon the choice of a stranger (The Warden). Not odds Flemeth would gamble on, and certainly not five times in a row.
While I'm likely to be disappointed, I don't want the ultimate big bad to be Mythal or Fen'Harel or the Maker, or anyone like that. I'd rather it be the Old Ones, or the Tevinter Mages that breached the Golden City, or anyone else. I guess we'll find out. I just think that Mythal/Fen'Harel/Maker are too.....Obvious? Cliche? I don't really know. Here's hoping that whatever the endgame is, that they nail the landing.
Here's hoping that the end-game of DA4 is an ACTUAL world-changing choice (unlike the end of ME3): you can choose to assist Solas/Fen'Harel, you can choose to assist Flemeth/Mythal, or you can choose to assist neither (and thus fight for a balance)...maybe even a fourth option...? Dunno. But something like that would be awesome.
@@C.N.D._The_72nd well maybe if they brought out all of the old tevinter mages that were with Corypheus. Who cares about the Quanari as a main antagonist right now? Maybe after dragon age in the new age they can invade when they feel like the current threat is over and it can be a whole world War kind of thing.
I don’t know what happens to her right after DAI, but she is reborn as Kate Mulgrew in the 20th century, then later reborn as Katherine Janeway in the 24th century.
You're overlooking one thing We KNOW red Lyrium is Lyrium that has the blight We KNOW Lyrium is the blood of titans And we KNOW that Mythal once killed a Titan And Fen'harel says that what was unleashed by that could destroy the world If it's not the blight that is the source of red Lyrium But red Lyrium the source of blight what if that came from killing a Titan? There is a possibility that mythal is the creator of the blight in the first place
@@sarialue I just don’t see who the tevinter mages fit in with mythal. I mean coryphues confirms they really were mages. So then my theory is, what if those mages attempted the same thing the elven gods did. But they were corrupted because the veil was closed. That doesn’t really explain the arch demons tho. Which appear to not be the same as the magisters. The magisters refer to them as gods still. I just don’t see how those good news mythal. Also mythal I think has to go willingly because possession seems corrupt and change spirits and if the veil being closed is why you can’t be immortal this body hoping could be the the only way.
My personal theory is that the black city IS Arlathan, because how else can it disappear so completely when not in another world (kind of) And that maybe all the red lyrium was sealed there And that's how Corypheus (and others) were corrupted by it and then it spread...
The thing I really want to know more about (and doesn't get talked about much) is Mythal's connection to the Titans and how the titans fit in with the blight? Why did Mythal go on a bender killing titans?
The elves were spirits, they became physical, this freaked out the titans, causing earthquakes. The elves fought back, Mythal found a way to kill one or more, accidentally released the taint, freaked out and buried the taint, sealing it in a prison with eight dragons as the seals. With all her gained power, she rules the world. The other gods get jealous, try to find ways to match her. She beats them down, they find out how to kill her, Solas creates the Veil, and you know the rest.
We know for sure that Corin died ending the Second Blight. And Garahel died ending the Fourth Blight. So the old god souls were definitely destroyed in those battles either because the two wardens rejected the dark ritual, or they were never offered. The old god souls being preserved during the other blights is also unlikely as it would have been mentioned in Grey Warden records. And we know wardens don't know of it, considering they were pestering HoF so much as to how they survived.
My theory is Maker/Andraste are lingerings of the evanuris. Solas-Fen'Harel Is the maker of the world (Veil - Created the world we know now - elven immortality) Andraste - Decendant of Mythal or a piece of Mythal. When Solas (shorter name) fell into his long slumber his gaze was off Andraste(Mythal) and like history repeating itself, she was betrayed and murdered, again. Will see how this plays out in DA4
I am under the impression that she could conceivably transfer into other forms/objects/whatever as needed as long as she prepared to do so. I always figured she foresaw what Solas/Fen'harel was about to do, and that might have been why she needed that Arch Demon soul, perhaps she needed a soul strong enough to fool him when he did whatever he did, so that she could escape. I fully expect her to be back to stir the pot once more!
@@colinnixon7739 I think Solas will only be a villain until the veil is gone, if he actually succeeds at all. Either he will be the villain the whole game or he will unleash something worse like the evanuris or the blight and realize he messed up and try to fix it.
She probably still has minute portions of herself scattered throughout thedas. I'd imagine they'd show up in dread wolf as fragments of her spirit that can give you guidance, if not as part of the main quest (where you would have to assemble multiple fragments to allow flemeth to manifest again)
ROFL, I can live without Flemeth beneath my bed. I listened to this video a few times now. Each time it only gets better. I'm thinking whether Flemeth told King Maric to go with the Grey Wardens because she knew what type of guy he is and knows that he can pass on the dragon genes that he inherited from his lineage by siring another child (aka Alistair)?
Well I like to think that The Maker is actually Sandal. As for Flemeth returning... she is too good as a character to be left dead... even if her mystery is revealed already. Besides if she remains dead we will need another god to stand against Solas. And who knows - maybe it will be The Maker :D
I think that because flemeth keeps having these interactions with the heroes, because she is shaping the future where she exacts justice on Solas or maybe even another elven god. For immortal beings, time is nothing. Solas talks about the ancient elves sometimes took years to cast their spells, so it isnt inconceivable. I cant wait to see what's going to happen in the next game!!!!!
How familiar are you with Celtic mythology? Mythal makes me think of a twisted "what if?" of Danu the divine waters (Codex entry: Mythal: the Great Protector). Both the Dalish and Celts have only half truths to cling to what once was after the subjugation of a foreign power, both had infighting that led to their downfall, though for Elvhenan it was much more self inflicted.
Outside of the lore I'll be a fangirl and say they gave her a GILF glow up in games 2 and 3 so regardless she's got the hot older woman thing going on she can lie to me all she wants.
The one thing that I think stands in the way of Flemeth being linked/descendent of Andraste is that Morrigan gives birth to a son and not a daughter. Nor does Flemeth's mother or her ancestry really figure into the story. The character who seems to show more parallels to Andraste (imo) is Leliana. She has visions, hears the Maker speaking to her. She has red hair and a beautiful singing voice. It would also help explain the idea of her surviving being killed by THoF.
Flemeth will be in the next game. If she isn't in the main story, she will be found influencing a key character behind the scene. For all we know she's guiding Morrigan with a hidden hand
When this video popped on my feed, and I read the title, the first thought that flashed across my mind was "Well, yeah. Duh!" There isn't enough gold in all of Thedas to make me believe a single word from any member of the pantheon. LOL
Devs said she is really dead. What remains is Mythals Power in Morgan ( if they chose to make it canon). Long time no see Saria :) good video, thank you!
I really an truly hope she is, her character as a whole is phenomenal an this entire summary shows good reason that she would be, plus she probably gonna be a little pissed with the wolf so I would see her aiding another hero again, she really reminds me of the old sith from kotor cant remember her name
I think she’s behind the blight, well the old elvhen are. It’s heavily hinted at that one of the titans (trans passer dlc) were corrupted / killed by the elvhen and this started the blight
I could see the Elvanuris being responsible. I wonder if Mythal was the one who discovered the Titans bled Lyrium and that this became one of the motivators for the other Elvanuris to murder her after realizing how powerful it was. We have learned through some of the stories in the Tevinter Nights book the Elvanuris were involved in some sick experiments on living creatures, it could be that they might have experimented on one of the Titans. Cole cryptic lines may be implying that Thedas itself created the Titans to defend itself against the Elvanuris, Solas seems to have respect for the Titans, implying they were not evil. It would be very fitting given what we now know about the Elvanuris that they in their arrogance would create a disaster, bury it and try to move on hoping the consequences would not be theirs to deal with.
I believe the Elvanuris that are trapped are behind the blight. Those who are locked away, taking out their revenge. Mythal helps stop the blight, and she is (if you choose) rewarded in the 5th blight for that. She is definitely playing the long game but I'd be extremely disappointed if she became the big bad. It would be a lot more fulfilling to me that we faced the Elvanuris who killed Mythal. That would be extremely satisfying.
What is it about Dragon Age´s obsession with betreyal? - The Elven Gods betrayed Mythal - Maferath and the Maker betrayed Andraste - Conobar betrayed Flemeth - The Human Noble (which is most likely the canon choice) in Origins is betrayed by Howe - Cailin betrayed by Loghain - Morrigan betrays Flemeth - Morrigan "betrays" the Grey Warden - Bartrand betrays Varric - Meredith betrays the Templars - Orsino betrays the mages - Anders betrays Hawke - The Templars betrayed the Chantry - The Mages at Redcliff betrayed King Alistair´s/Queen Anora´s hospitality - Solas betrays the Inquisitor - Solas betrays Flemeth
Can it be that through an eluvian she transferred "the Mythal part" and the power that Solas gains in the end is not her's but the power of the soul she took from Kieran 🤔 This would mean she tricked the trickster 🤨
I don't think with what we already know about her there is any chance she didn't have a contingency plan for fenharel. You don't live that long by trusting people who have a grudge against you
I love the character of Flemeth. The whole reveal that Flemeth and Mythal are basically one was incredible writing. But I don’t know. I don’t see her as a villain, but neither do I see her as a hero. We’ve been given enough history and lore to know she is a central figure, but her allegiance can go either way for me at this point in time. But I don’t think we’ll see Flemeth again. Mythal? Oh yes, definitely. But I think the character of Flemeth as we know her is gone. Bringing her back would cheapen her entire interaction with Solas at the end of Inquisition.
An issue I see with Flemith’s Horcrux about the old gods theory. We know that at least the first Archdemon was slain and the Grey Warden who killed it died. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe none have survived killing except for maybe our Warden in Origins.
@@music79075 So our Grey Warden in Origins can survive if you do a ritual with Morrigan. Pretty much either you (if you’re a male warden) or Alister (if you convince him) have sex with her and the child absorbs the Archdemon’s soul instead of the warden.
@@CLNCJD94 i was aware of that but i appreciate you telling me nonetheless. It sounded like there was another option that i somehow missed all these years
Flemeth will definitely be back! Spoilers if you haven't played DAI. She can be found in Morrigan or The Inquisitor depending on who drank from the Well of Sorrows. Also depending on whether or not Morrigan has a son who partakes in a transfer with Flemeth. I also remember something about Elven servers in Halamshiral talking about a woman claiming to be Flemeth speaking to them in dreams or through a mirror? Before the Trespasser DLC, we see Solas take powers from Flemeth which turned her into some sort of dead husk or stone. Before he got to her though, she seemed to be sending some of her essence through one of the mirrors. So she's definitely still out there, just waiting for the right time. 👀
Flemeth was the body, so we're not gonna see HER again unless her body is restored from being transformed into store. That must've been Mythal sending a part of herself through the Eluvian.
I think Flemeth will be back - one way or the other. She will most certainly be back in form of a "memory" in Morrigan and i guess that the soul of Urthemiel, which she sent to the Eluvian, was to a place where Fen'Harel cannot go atm. I think Flemeth is linked with the creation of the Grey wardens. When the first wardens where created they had to had an idea where to meet and why to do that. Thats not something soldiers think of themselves and can achieve on such a large scale on their own. I think they had help. Someone "shoved history", to speak in Flemeths terms. All the Archdemons are only savely destroyed when a grey warden sacrifices themselves. Thats what we know. How on earth was Flemeth able to write down a spell or even have a tome where a different method was displayed. And who wrote the tome if not someone who understood the whole concept of the blight and the archdemons more than anyone else? I think Mythal started the Blight when she struck down the titans, which in turn started to infect the land and even the lands, where Andruil hunted and she - in turn - was infected by it and the blight was syphoned by Mythal from her. Mythal / Flemeth knows a little too much about the Blight and thats why i think she is related to it. Solas is extremly wary of the blight and its dangers and he even calls it "poisoned." Solas normally has no problem with magic of any kind but why is blight magic or the blight poisoned and not to be used. I guess we will see that in the next game. I reckon that Mythal will show her true plan. And maybe even the little wolf is just a pawn for her.
She send something through the mirror, she ain't dead. I think Andrastes sister was the ogb btw, but something went very wrong and that's how thedas ended up with Andraste.
Flemeth has never technically lied about anything. She has been cryptic and economical with the truth, especially when asked a direct question about herself but she has never lied. Solas, on the other hand was a deceiver from day one. Oh, and all evidence points to Sandal as my no 1 suspect for the Maker. Where else would the Creator/Maker hide but in plain sight as a dwarven savant of enchanting that acts as if they have taken the rite of tranquility but lays waste to hoardes of Darkspawn as casually as any Grey Warden? My gold is on them. Dreadwolf - please, please, please don't let us down.
So the line following Vivial was all daughters until Keiran's birth. I wonder if there is a special significance to that. I hope we have the opportunity to learn more about this in the next games
at the end there I feel called out though I also asked myself why not flemith and morrigan and the other daughter summoned underneath my bed like a lyrium induced fever dream.
I would say Flemeth's form of Justice is more like vengeance. Like vengeance, many innocents who had nothing to do with your plight, are affected or worse as you seek to claim vengeance. And this has been seen multiple times in the DA series, not just with Flemeth/Mythal
Flemeth was lying about not possessing Morrigan. She totally planned to possess her, as the Robes of Possession imply, but I think Morrigan may have managed to impress her enough to forego possessing her, or maybe Flemeth found a better way to live on, such as through that spirit that came from the Well of Sorrows. As for BioWare never confirming nor disproving the Maker's existence, I think they're lying about that just to throw fans off. They might give us an answer one way or the other in DA4 or 5. They seem to be leaning toward the Maker not existing though. And in that way, they'll probably try to rewrite Andraste's history so that most of what was written about her never actually happened, or could be explained in some other way. Like, she established a connection with a titan or something and that's how all her miracles happened.
Its more so the fact that the later writers were not as good and they went in a different direction entirely with the character. Flemeth was obviously planning to possess her
I’m new to your channel so I’m not sure if you’ve done it yet, but it would be cool if you did a lore video on how the Elven gods had wings. I think there was a bit of discovered lore in-game that talks about an elf who was punished for taking the same shape as the gods and flying as they did.
Pretty good video, it would be pretty interesting if in the next game she will be the main vilain and betray somehow solas , so we can fight in his side
Wasn't Yvena the name of the desire demon you face in the fade during the Circle questline? The one you fight in the very first part of the fade where you meet Nyall?
Flemeth has been on every game so far, it would make sense for her to come back in the fourth aswell. But if she's truly dead, then maybe Morrigan, the inheritor, will be there to fulfill the role her mother used to.
imagine if, in say, Dragon age 5 or 6 we fight a corrupt Maker as the last boss, I think that would be cool. I think Flemeth will be in the next game too. Maybe she absorbs Solas's power when/if we kill him or something like that.
Dude, DA4 has a ton of problems already with core devs leaving left and right, lets not start hoping a 5 or even 6th is gonna be made when the 4th is still on thin ice.
Flemeth/Mythal is a “grey character,” where she is not our enemy nor our friend…she has her sights set on her own goals and as long as our party can benefit those plans, she will not wipe us out in the process… Same with Solas, as well
I'm sure Flemeth will make an appearance in the next game as she bargained with Morigain to take her child and put a part of her self into one of the mirrors, and thats before you take into account of any other parts of her self hidden away in other amulets, or similar
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I would be so shocked if she turns out to be the final boss or the big evil behind all, I really like her and yeah she is very mysterious but I love her. I was so sad when Solas killed her.
I would adore your theory as cannon. It would awesome if they tied in Andraste's origin so close to home. I know Morrigan (could have) had a son, but what if Kieran is only male because of the nature of ritual/gender of the old god soul used in his procreation? Flemeth will definitely be back, but I fear that Morrigan maybe manipulated to play her role instead. Morrigan potentially gets such a great boon, but she may have to pay the cost; if she's was the well drinker, anyways... I hope it isn't something too tragic in the end. I really like her, but what a shake up that would be. 😔
Though Kieran can be born if the Warden is in a relationship with her but refuses the ritual. So it pokes a hole in that, but it's still interesting to me that she did have a son and not a daughter.
Even ritual aside, I didn't know that he could still be born. Does the Warden still died in the final battle if this is the case? It would be interesting to find out that Kieran is actually female, but as another safeguard from Flemeth, she (he) was disguised as male.
When you say “morrigans saving grace”, wouldn’t you need to take into account if morrigan drank from the well? Flemeth was able to control morrigan or the player (if the player drank from the well) when they had the reunion again with her son. So In theory, If morrigan drank from the well, it could be her doom. Whose to say that flemeth comes back and “absorbs” morrigan in game 4 and takes all her power. I’m also pretty sure that flemeth left a piece of herself somewhere along with the old dragon soul. I also believe that game 4 will be about a stopping solas but also finding a new god coming in to take the throne. Since corypheaus stated that he basically saw that the throne was “empty” (the sit of the maker)when he went into the golden city. Which kinda makes me believe that flemeth isn’t dead and could end up taking over solas spiritually and absorbing him which could be one hell of a problem for everyone.
I really hope you do another video on Flemeth. I, like others have commented, have always had the feeling that she/Mythal were the big baddies of the whole series, with each game giving us a new piece of her story and plan. I played the DA games for the first time ever in 2018 so I'm still trying to learn all the lore. So if you do another video on Flemeth could you please talk about her in regards to Morrigan specifically (and all that comes with the topic of those two)? I have seen some ppl say Morrigan isn't Flemeth's true daughter but I don't ever remember learning that. I could be wrong but I potentially see Morrigan ruining Flemeth/Mythal's master plan. Like you mentioned Flemeth's other daughter thought it was wonderful to have the spirit of Mythal passed to her, whereas Morrigan didn't want that. I just sense Morrigan is the first one to not only stand up to her but also be smart/cunning enough to ruin her plan. Or at the very least, greatly hamper it somehow. Awesome video...can't wait for Dreadwolf!
Solas took in Mythal for a purpose: to bring down the Fade. This will happen. Then Morrigan will accept Mythal and become a goddess, stronger than Flemeth ever was BECAUSE there is no barrier to the other world. OR a part of the story will have Morrigan still confused with her destiny, Flemeth returning to help Solas, but then later Morrigan at last will take in Mythal this Flemeth will die forever. Either way as the epilogue notes state Solas plans on giving Mythal back to Morrigan when it is time.
I don't think Flemeth is a descendent of Andraste. (Leliana however....) She was also 100% correct about Loghain's betrayals. So what did she lie about?
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If Bioware can nail the writing, DA4 is gonna be lit 🔥 The lore setup is so good
Agreed!! super excited to see what they do with the lore!
What they should nail is the combat, DAI combat feels like a game from 2005.... shame, because other parts of the game are great.
They are very unlikely to nail the writing in Inquisition is anything to go by. the games have been dropping in quality overall since the first, I expect 4 to keep with that trend. I'll probably still wind up buying it though....
After DA:I you still have faith in Bioware's ability to make a good DA story? Wish I had your belief in them.
The story its done alredy with the end of DA3 and holy shit we have tevinter and blood magic... but i really suspicius they will drop the ball and make the whole story around social justice bullshit. Thats the vibe im getting.
I actually don't think Flemeth has ever lied to neither the protagonist or others. That would be to crude. BUT she does say things in a way that makes you believe she means something else and therefore influences people to do what she wants anyway.
For example, she wanted Morrigan to perform the dark ritual. BUT she knew that if she told that to Morrigan, she would be suspicious or downright turn her down out of spite and sense of freedom. But... Flemeth knew that if Morrigan found the information herself, her thirst for wisdom would make her do the ritual anyway. And forbidding Morrigan from touching her grimoire would make it irresistable to her.
Morrigan believed that Flemeth was angry at the ones stealing the minor grimoare (the one found in the mage tower). But... what if Flemeth let it be stolen so that she later could make Morrigan stumble over it... Flemeth knew the Warden and Alistair where going to the Circle Tower. And that with Morrigan in tow she would certainly try to find it. And in it read some half-truths about Flemeth "consuming" her daughters which would make Morrigan extremly focused on getting the right one. In the end Flemeth was not suprised and already knew that the Warden was there to kill her and take the grimoare for Morrigan. Almost like it was her plan all along...
I just don't agree with the minor grimoire being allowed to be Stolen intentionally by Flemeth, especially because for what I understand, that grimoire was stolen even before the Blight started.
@@SeventhheavenDK Flemeth plays the long game. She didn't cook up the Dark Ritual after the blight, but certainly long before that. She might also have given some nudges to the Architect to make him awaken the Archdemon earlier to make things fit in her timetable.
I was going to say the same thing
And Loghain did betray Ferelden worse and worse...
Morrigan outright admits that she was only sent along to perform the Dark Ritual, she was well aware that that was Flemeth's goal.
I am absolutely certain that Flemeth or at the very least Mythal is going to be the final big bad we face in the Dragon Age series in some way, shape or form. Be it as Flemeth, as Morrigan or as a fully revitalised Mythal. The theme of justice turning into vengeance has been too prominent in the series for this not to eventually become her fate. A noble purpose being turned into a twisted tyrade of terrible destruction over the ages. Dragon Age over all just very much feels like her story. With each game we are adding a new piece onto it. Until she is finally ready to execute that big plan she's had brewing for so many centuries. Even Solas, I think, will only be another pawn in her grand design, as so many have been before him.
I would be EXTREMELY disappointed if they did that. It should be those who killed Mythal that are the big bad.
Wow you really opened my eyes with this one. Never realised how strong of a theme the justice -> vengeance pipeline was throughout each game
And now I’m remembering ‘She was betrayed as I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed’
@@HelenHunt69 Precisely. Mythal clearly has always been smarter, stronger and more powerful than them. Smart enough not to take part in their infighting and to bring Fen'Harel on her side. Strong enough to remain alive despite being betrayed by her fellow gods. And powerful enough to have lived on and shaped the events of the world to her will for centuries upon centuries. What would actually disappoint me is if she needed us as the players to "rescue" or avenge her by taking out the Evanuris on her behalf. That would cheapen her position in the lore and all the build-up of her character so far immensely. She has a plan for this world, we've known that for a while. And that plan better dwarf the intentions of her fellow Evanuris, Solas included, in comparison.
@@MURDERFACE555666 "Mythal clawed and crawled her way through the ages to me, and I will see her avenged!"
In Flemeth's own words, there will be a "reckoning that will shake the very heavens". And I don't think Mythal cares any more about casualties than our very own Solas. He seems to have retained more of his "humanity" than Flemythal has. And that is saying something, considering he is willing to let the world burn to bring back the Elvhen.
@@colinnixon7739 I would not even be certain that Solas will be the final Boss of Dreadwolf. But I am talking about the series as a whole. There's no reason to believe that DA:D will be the final DA game.
I am not into that "flemeth under my bed", I am into flemeth on the balcony with me drinking hot beverages discussing the secrets of life and saying her cryptic one liners/nuggets of wisdom that turn out to be so true. She honestly reminds me of one of my older professors in college who always said one-liner things that I only understood much later on.
that's how i see her too. a powerful being, with understanding of the world far beyond our comprehension.
Don’t forget…Flemeth is also a pretty tough Captain of the Starship Voyager. She’s not to be trifled with.
Thinks of Scifi Debris Janeway memes.
@David Edosomwan 😂😂
Star trek flemeth
She was Red (OITNB) as well, also not to be trifled with...
Holy fuck. I did not realize this until now and I've played all the games + inquisition three times and seen Voyager multiple times over. I was unironically searching "dragon age captain of the starship voyager" until it clicked what I was searching 😆
It looked like she was transferring another piece of herself into the Eluvian before Solas showed up to claim her power. No way is that the last we've seen of her.
Don't forget... Flemmeths ability to transfer a piece of herself is almost the same as how Coryphius can transfer between Gray wardens.
but unlike the Coryphishite flementh cannot force Mythal on her daughters.
Don't forget that the Arch Demon can transfer to other darkspawn, as well. Interesting.
Actually, Flemmeth does not do it like that. It is more like a phylactery that stores a piece of herself. She needed to go to an elven site that probably enhances Mythal's elven immorality to bring Flemmeth back to life. The key is being there was no transfer in bodies. Corypheus transfers through the connection of the blight just like the old god. Mythal and Flemmeth most likely do not have that connection or she would have just taken control of Morrigan.
A soul cannot be forced upon the unwilling. Otherwise both souls will parish.
It's worth noting that Andraste was born at the end of the First Blight. We know that when the Tevinter Magisters went to the Golden City, they found no Maker. So, regardless of whether or not a Maker ever existed, it stopped being around at least as of the moment the Blights started. So, that begs the question: Who was Andraste talking to?
andraste was talking to ur mum
Andraste is flemeth. They have very similar back stories. way to similar.
and i just watched the part you said that lol.
@@sarialue oh i love it when sassy Saria comes out lol
@@Joseph32547 and they have the same headpiece on too.
My favorite thing about Dragon Age is the lack of proof of the Maker. In most fantasy religion, "faith" per say isn't really needed as direct communications and magical powers are commonplace as comming from the gods. In Dragon age on the other hand, the faith in the Maker seems more real, rather than transactional. Without "proof" of the maker, Andrastens are true believers, as any magic in the world has plausible explanations outside of the Maker or the divine. To me, definitivly answering these questions would take away a part of what makes Dragon Age great.
She better be. She is one of the best chars in the franchise and is the linking backbone that helps tie everything together.
Flemeth is straight up lying and it's been delicious to watch my characters dance to her tune. With the end of DAI I'm very excited to see what may come in Dreadwolf
"Why dance at all? Why not sing? Hahaha"
...Sing like the Calling...
This is sooo good.
I Have always thought that Mythal was actually the big bad of the series.
It's probably her killing the titan that set off the blight somehow. And the war Solas started is actually why Mythal was killed.
That probably had something to do with it. But I think Anduril bring back the taint from the void(whatever that place is) is the the true reason for the blight.
@@andrewvincent7299 Remember that Mythal stole her knowledge. But agreed that until the actual chain of events is established we have no idea. I will say this thos. The mural in Solas' base in Trespasser where "one outwitts them all" describing himself tricking the evanuris "in his own internal propaganda, specifically includes Mythal among those he thinks he duped. Not Sylaise, not June, or Dirthamen but the dragon which represents Mythal is specifically named.
Now that I think about it it's kinda funny how even IN HIS OWN PROPAGANDA he considers HIMSELF the trickster god. But yea, the dalish got it all wrong lol
blight comes way after the evanuris's fall though. Timeline doesn't add up.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 I don't know 100%.
What I do know is that blight might have already existed. I But why does Solas know what it is if it didn't? He went to sleep after they fell. He knows too much about the blight and it's sentience not to have had some personal contact with it before waking up in Inquisition.
Especially since the taint is alien to denizens of the Fade, aka the place where Solas hung out for the last several thousand years.
I have a feeling what Solas did to Mythal/Flemeth in Trespasser was a mutual agreement. That Solas needed her power for something and Mythal wanted to transport somewhere, be preserved/hidden, or combine with Solas' power to achieve her own ends. Maybe they connected because Andraste (if related to Mythal) was fighting against powerful human corruption (Tevinters) and Solas against corrupt ancient elves (hence banishing them to the Fade by creating the Veil). But then in trying to restore the old elven culture, Mythal sees this as a way to put human corruption back in line, so to speak. That if the elven gods culture can be restored, the magisters have no chance of blighting the world endlessly. And since humans came after ancient elven corruption, they too will keep the elves from getting too powerful and corrupt as well, like before. Contributing to the mage / templar balance. I'm just not sure what Solas means by "your world will die so my people can live".
yeah totally
I don't feel like it was a mutual agreement perse. The vibe I got was that Solas was going to do that without her consent. Flemeth knew and let it happen because she has an agenda herself that she's going to let play out.
The world as it is known, separated from the fade. When the fade returns it will be a new world again
Hes destroying the veil so fade and the normal world w combine which means a lot of démons and a lot of possesions. On the other hand raw magic
i read almost all these comments i swear - and i haven't seen this so let me just add this to all the brilliant comments below,
Flemeth - with her pieces - is literally Voldemort with all her horcruxes all over the place. If she made a tiny amulet to give to Hawke to take to her shrine up on Sundermount, then you can bet that she has a backup plan. Maybe even on she gave to Solas herself. Or she'll appear in dreams and gently nudge some poor mage into doing her will until she returns. One thing I know for certain is that there's no way she's completely gone. She has survived the mOST sorts of bullshit, and betrayal and war - she IS the master of the game. Hell she's old enough she probably cREATED the game. I wouldn't even be surprised.
i literally just made this comment to compare her to Voldemort because .... I have no reason. I just needed to a'ight.
That statute reminds me of the way the darkspawn would redecorate statues of Andraste with wings.
Hold up. What? Do you have a link to read up or see? This sounds intriguing.
I've never heard the theory that the archdemons souls are part of Mythal. I really like this theory.
Well, there had to be a reason why Mythal knew Corypheus' dragon would sever his body hopping, right? Tie that to the constellation of a lost eighth old god, and you can start to suspect how Mythal was killed ;-)
Flemeth never dies, she just multiplies!
4:35 first time I'm hearing this theory, but now that I think about it, Mythal is often depicted as a dragon or with dragon-like features, so there must be a link there.
I mean, to be honest, I kinda figured Flemeth might be the BBEG of the series. She's always gave me the vibes that she might be the final boss of the entire series and that playing through the series is just slowly preparing you for it.
It seems obvious to me, since there are no other candidates left. It could have been the Magisters, but we already dealt with the worst of them (in a disappointing manner, but still).
Who else is left to make a satisfying villain?
I agree. Mostly because she shows up in all of the main games: Origins, II, and Inquisistion. The fact that she can turn into a dragon in a franchise called DRAGON AGE is a pretty big sign in my book.
@@AulisVaara Plenty. Fen'Harel. Other Evanuris. Titans. Other magisters. Those Across the Sea. The Blight itself. Qunari. And that even assuming that the scale must rise and not reduce as it was with DA2.
Its the other elves who are the big bad. With the veil gone the elves are coming back
@@dranzerjetli5126 tbh I expect that without Veil every mage will be OP, especially dreamers.
Oh as they say "so long as the music plays, we dance"
The music of Dragon Age always put tears in my eyes,🎉❤💕🥰
I really think there's too many parallels for her not to end up being Andraste and alive to smite the Dreadwolf with his betrayal
I'd be very disapointed if she doesn't show in DA4...
Agreed. It wouldn't be Dragon Age without her. To think that she wasn't there for to enact her revenge of those who killed her.
I just realized something: Morrigan had a son. If Flemeth is a descendant of Andraste and the line was lost because they all gave birth to daughters. Would the birth of Morrigans son disprove that, or could it mean something else?
That would only be true if Morrigan was a true born daughter of Flemeth which we don't know if she is.
Morrigan isn't Flemeth's literal daughter though.
I doubt it, if anything that just proves Morrigan was adopted.
Gray Warden genes go brrrrrr or something
@@AzureRoxe What makes you think that?
There Is a theory out there due to one of the writers tweets a while ago that hints that Solas could possibly be under some form of Geas, considering he has Mythals Vallaslin at one point. I do honestly think think after her Murder had been manipulating some of his actions without realizing it. After all Geas can be so subtle you can be deluded to believe those thoughts and actions are your own. I am personally curious what Dread Wolf Rising will bring us.
That's not how vallaslin works, though, not even during the Elvhenan empire. All it was was a marking denoting which slaves (or anyone else, really) belonged to which Evanuris. There was never a suggestion there was a magical compulsion to it or Solas would have mentioned that, particularly if your Inquisitor is in a romance with him during the conversation where he tells you the true history of vallaslin and asks if you want them removed.
@@FalenDragmire I am aware of that, while I do not believe the Vallasin could control someone, I am merely pointing out that at one point Solas was in a position of no power. It makes me wonder what else was done especially if you drink from the well and his dialogue does raise a few eyebrows like it is personal experience or something. Perhaps I was too vague in my thought process when typing that comment.
@@dakotab6448 Solas knows so much about the well because of his close relationship with Mythal. Why wouldn't he know so much about it or anything else to do with her? They were basically BFFs.
@@FalenDragmire I'm sure the Vallaslin acted as a buff-type thing (Magic Tattoos are a common power enhancer in various fantasy settings after all, sometimes they are consumed after usage, after which the painful tattooing has to be undergone again to reapply them, which takes time obviously), which explains why the slaves of the Evanuris could build a mountain-size statue within days w/ mere few thousand units of slaves after their god/owner told em to do it for him, if they were powered up by similar but more complete version of what Fenris had (I assume his owner found out about the Vallaslin stuff from some Elvhen ruin or another, but could never manage to properly get it to the capacity that the Evanuris did originally)
Also I assume the Vallaslin the Dalish Elves apply to themselves is just fancy tattoos, presumably for the OG purpose of slave domination by the Evanuris, you'd have to apply some type of magic to the substance as well, so it's not just mere tattoos. Thus Solas wouldn't see any point in talking about it, since it wouldn't have the same effect it would have done under the Evanuris, but more of a symbolic visual related to slavery from his POV by the modern Elves
Flemeth is an awesome character. I like how her motives are shrouded in mystery. Hopefully she returns in Veil Guard.
I dont believe she could be behind the blights, she is not lying. She is getting her way because she is good at planning. She is by far the wisest person in the whole DA world. If she turned out to be just another justice seeker turning into a crazy vengeful abomination I will be very very disappointed. Why is it that if someone is getting their way, they must be cheating or manipulating. She strikes good deals. She knows a lot but doesnt always share. She understands the hearts of men and what they tend to do. Sharing information is not always beneficial I think. Sometimes she could be self-serving, but who isnt. just because she takes advantage of the blights doesnt mean she is causing the blights. Whenever there is a disaster in Thedas, she is there playing her game maximizing her profit, striking deals with those who would save the world. Note that she could easily help Corepheyus and strike a good deal with him to get what she wants, if she really wanted the destruction of the world as we saw in the future without inquisitor timeline. I want her story to end by her getting back at those who wronged her and moving on her way, not like a big bad baddie. Flemeth is one of my all time favorite characters in the whole DA world. I like the idea she is a wise spirit who plays the long game pretty well. The one I wish we kill is Solas, maybe not in the next game but the game after that or something.
Flemeth is just another gal with a plan :) that is how I prefer it. Like she says to Hawk when asked what is the catch "There is always a catch. Life is a catch! I suggest you catch it while you can", and that is what she does best, catching life while she can.
I really hope Solas dies in this game, having to endure his annoying presence for a third time will be way too much.
I really hope they don't mess up the new game, Inquisition was a great game, not as replayable and remembrable as the Origins but still pretty solid. I am currently translating the Dragon Age novels into Persian, the stolen throne is set to publish next month.
I love this deep dive into the culture and history of Flemmeth! OMG I need to go back and play through all the games because you inspired me and they are some of the best games ever!
thank you for enjoying!
An aspect I would like to put fourth is that the Dark Ritul shouldn't had been performed before it was done in Origins. The Wardens who killed the earlier Archdemons all died in the process. Sure there could had been some fibbling/assasinations done by Flemeth to cover it up. But since she didn't do anything to the Warden it sounds unlikely.
For some Archdemons there's a clear killer, sure, but not for all of them. Especially the first one is sus, since seven Wardens died while it went through its death throes.
We also don't have a definitive slayer of the third Archdemon.
@@AulisVaara One wouldn't need a clear killer. What would be needed would be no surviving witnesses from the end battle. If a Warden made the killing blow and didn't die afterwards, all persons that had seen this would had to be put to the sword to make sure the most central doctrin of the Wardens stays intact.
But there are two other very important factors why the ritual used in Origins was "new".
1. There is no need for the "father" to be the one delivering the final blow. In Origins it doesn't matter who father's the child or who gives the blow, the ritual still works. So all a daughter of Flemeth would need to do is to be impregnated by a Grey Warden and then stay close by the battle. If this was done all 5 times the idea that "the one delivering the final blow will die" wouldn't had take hold since it would had been proven false. The only reason we know about the ritual is that there are only (at most) 3 suitable fathers at the 5th. In the other blights finding a suitable sperm donor would had been quite easier so Flemeth would have no need to involve the Grey Warden command at all. Just make sure the pieces on the board literary where in the right position.
2. Flemeth may be an "old womsn talking to much" but she is not a gambler. And in the dark ritual-plan there are simply to much things that can go wrong. We need to remember that the Warden's goal is to kill the Arch Demons. The thought of their spirits lingering in the world would be appaling to them. The Wardens are more or less a cult of suicidal martyrs, the prospect of saving their own lives at the cost of the Archdemon staying in the world just to later succumb to the calling would not be enticing at all. Especially compared to the glory of sacrificing ones life to kill an Arch Demon.
When Morrigan says that the donor need to be a newly initiated Grey Warden, we don't know if that is true. It's reasonable, and I do think Morrigan believes it. But we need to remember that all her information comes from Flemeth's Grimoare. Which Flemeth happily gives her as long as Morrigan believes it was stolen. So when Morrigan says that a more sessioned Grey Warden is unsuitable, is it becouse of the taint OR that Flemeth knows that a more senior member never would agree? Which also goes well in her hand in saving The two most recent recruits at the Battle of Ostagar. If Flemeths goal was to stop the Blight, why choose the most unsuitable candidates in the whole of Ferelden for the task? It could be that she knew that they hadn't been indoctrinated enough to say no to a chance of cheating death, if only for the moment. And still, the succes of the ritual is solemly based upon the choice of a stranger (The Warden). Not odds Flemeth would gamble on, and certainly not five times in a row.
While I'm likely to be disappointed, I don't want the ultimate big bad to be Mythal or Fen'Harel or the Maker, or anyone like that. I'd rather it be the Old Ones, or the Tevinter Mages that breached the Golden City, or anyone else. I guess we'll find out. I just think that Mythal/Fen'Harel/Maker are too.....Obvious? Cliche? I don't really know. Here's hoping that whatever the endgame is, that they nail the landing.
Here's hoping that the end-game of DA4 is an ACTUAL world-changing choice (unlike the end of ME3): you can choose to assist Solas/Fen'Harel, you can choose to assist Flemeth/Mythal, or you can choose to assist neither (and thus fight for a balance)...maybe even a fourth option...? Dunno. But something like that would be awesome.
You already had that with Corphyus, no? A Tevinter Mage who entered the first city. You want to do this again?
@@jonathanbaker4361 Maybe it should be an arch demon or the Quanari instead!
Those haven't been done before right?
@@C.N.D._The_72nd well maybe if they brought out all of the old tevinter mages that were with Corypheus. Who cares about the Quanari as a main antagonist right now? Maybe after dragon age in the new age they can invade when they feel like the current threat is over and it can be a whole world War kind of thing.
@@C.N.D._The_72nd all I am saying is the literally JUST did Corypheus twice really. In DA2 and DA3
I will absolutely cry if morrigan is the next big bad
I don’t know what happens to her right after DAI, but she is reborn as Kate Mulgrew in the 20th century, then later reborn as Katherine Janeway in the 24th century.
i recently finished dragon age origin and the witch hunt dlc, it's so fun and flemeth is very misteriouse ( yet i still love her lol )
You're overlooking one thing
We KNOW red Lyrium is Lyrium that has the blight
We KNOW Lyrium is the blood of titans
And we KNOW that Mythal once killed a Titan
And Fen'harel says that what was unleashed by that could destroy the world
If it's not the blight that is the source of red Lyrium
But red Lyrium the source of blight what if that came from killing a Titan?
There is a possibility that mythal is the creator of the blight in the first place
don't think i overlooked it, but you brought up a good point, the creator of the blight would definitely explain who speaks the calling
"Alas, so long as the music plays, we dance."
@@sarialue I just don’t see who the tevinter mages fit in with mythal.
I mean coryphues confirms they really were mages.
So then my theory is, what if those mages attempted the same thing the elven gods did. But they were corrupted because the veil was closed.
That doesn’t really explain the arch demons tho. Which appear to not be the same as the magisters. The magisters refer to them as gods still.
I just don’t see how those good news mythal.
Also mythal I think has to go willingly because possession seems corrupt and change spirits and if the veil being closed is why you can’t be immortal this body hoping could be the the only way.
My personal theory is that the black city IS Arlathan, because how else can it disappear so completely when not in another world (kind of)
And that maybe all the red lyrium was sealed there
And that's how Corypheus (and others) were corrupted by it and then it spread...
Summon flemeth under my bed? You can't threaten me with a good time
The thing I really want to know more about (and doesn't get talked about much) is Mythal's connection to the Titans and how the titans fit in with the blight? Why did Mythal go on a bender killing titans?
The elves were spirits, they became physical, this freaked out the titans, causing earthquakes. The elves fought back, Mythal found a way to kill one or more, accidentally released the taint, freaked out and buried the taint, sealing it in a prison with eight dragons as the seals.
With all her gained power, she rules the world. The other gods get jealous, try to find ways to match her. She beats them down, they find out how to kill her, Solas creates the Veil, and you know the rest.
@@AulisVaara this actually sounds pretty good. It ties up many loose ends.
We know for sure that Corin died ending the Second Blight. And Garahel died ending the Fourth Blight. So the old god souls were definitely destroyed in those battles either because the two wardens rejected the dark ritual, or they were never offered. The old god souls being preserved during the other blights is also unlikely as it would have been mentioned in Grey Warden records. And we know wardens don't know of it, considering they were pestering HoF so much as to how they survived.
My theory is Maker/Andraste are lingerings of the evanuris.
Solas-Fen'Harel Is the maker of the world (Veil - Created the world we know now - elven immortality)
Andraste - Decendant of Mythal or a piece of Mythal.
When Solas (shorter name) fell into his long slumber his gaze was off Andraste(Mythal) and like history repeating itself, she was betrayed and murdered, again.
Will see how this plays out in DA4
I am under the impression that she could conceivably transfer into other forms/objects/whatever as needed as long as she prepared to do so. I always figured she foresaw what Solas/Fen'harel was about to do, and that might have been why she needed that Arch Demon soul, perhaps she needed a soul strong enough to fool him when he did whatever he did, so that she could escape. I fully expect her to be back to stir the pot once more!
Honestly I'm kind of hoping she isn't the big bad, I'd rather it be Elgar'nan.
@@colinnixon7739 I think Solas will only be a villain until the veil is gone, if he actually succeeds at all. Either he will be the villain the whole game or he will unleash something worse like the evanuris or the blight and realize he messed up and try to fix it.
She probably still has minute portions of herself scattered throughout thedas. I'd imagine they'd show up in dread wolf as fragments of her spirit that can give you guidance, if not as part of the main quest (where you would have to assemble multiple fragments to allow flemeth to manifest again)
ROFL, I can live without Flemeth beneath my bed. I listened to this video a few times now. Each time it only gets better. I'm thinking whether Flemeth told King Maric to go with the Grey Wardens because she knew what type of guy he is and knows that he can pass on the dragon genes that he inherited from his lineage by siring another child (aka Alistair)?
She will be back. Depending on your choices, it's either she took over DAI Protagonist Body or her own daughter. (This is what I think)
Well I like to think that The Maker is actually Sandal. As for Flemeth returning... she is too good as a character to be left dead... even if her mystery is revealed already. Besides if she remains dead we will need another god to stand against Solas. And who knows - maybe it will be The Maker :D
That woman lied the whole game ofcorse she would be lying now.
I think that because flemeth keeps having these interactions with the heroes, because she is shaping the future where she exacts justice on Solas or maybe even another elven god. For immortal beings, time is nothing. Solas talks about the ancient elves sometimes took years to cast their spells, so it isnt inconceivable. I cant wait to see what's going to happen in the next game!!!!!
Well there’s only 2 left so if this true….shes almost fully restored
LOVE the editing in this video!
thank you!
How familiar are you with Celtic mythology? Mythal makes me think of a twisted "what if?" of Danu the divine waters (Codex entry: Mythal: the Great Protector). Both the Dalish and Celts have only half truths to cling to what once was after the subjugation of a foreign power, both had infighting that led to their downfall, though for Elvhenan it was much more self inflicted.
Outside of the lore I'll be a fangirl and say they gave her a GILF glow up in games 2 and 3 so regardless she's got the hot older woman thing going on she can lie to me all she wants.
The one thing that I think stands in the way of Flemeth being linked/descendent of Andraste is that Morrigan gives birth to a son and not a daughter. Nor does Flemeth's mother or her ancestry really figure into the story.
The character who seems to show more parallels to Andraste (imo) is Leliana. She has visions, hears the Maker speaking to her. She has red hair and a beautiful singing voice. It would also help explain the idea of her surviving being killed by THoF.
Why do people keep mentioning Morrigan? The first game alone reveals Morrigan is not a biological daughter of Flemeth.
@@AzureRoxe When and how?
@@AzureRoxeI just replayed the game a few days ago. As far I know Morrigan never speaks on how she came to be.
Flemeth will be in the next game. If she isn't in the main story, she will be found influencing a key character behind the scene. For all we know she's guiding Morrigan with a hidden hand
Who even knows anymore.
I heard her death at the end of Inquisition gets retconned in a comic book or something?
This game is DOA already
When this video popped on my feed, and I read the title, the first thought that flashed across my mind was "Well, yeah. Duh!" There isn't enough gold in all of Thedas to make me believe a single word from any member of the pantheon. LOL
Devs said she is really dead. What remains is Mythals Power in Morgan ( if they chose to make it canon). Long time no see Saria :) good video, thank you!
hi again!
I like the idea of dragon age as a series being the story of Flemeth and Morrigan
I really an truly hope she is, her character as a whole is phenomenal an this entire summary shows good reason that she would be, plus she probably gonna be a little pissed with the wolf so I would see her aiding another hero again, she really reminds me of the old sith from kotor cant remember her name
Kreia/Darth Traya
Thank you, could not remember her name
I think she’s behind the blight, well the old elvhen are. It’s heavily hinted at that one of the titans (trans passer dlc) were corrupted / killed by the elvhen and this started the blight
I could see the Elvanuris being responsible.
I wonder if Mythal was the one who discovered the Titans bled Lyrium and that this became one of the motivators for the other Elvanuris to murder her after realizing how powerful it was.
We have learned through some of the stories in the Tevinter Nights book the Elvanuris were involved in some sick experiments on living creatures, it could be that they might have experimented on one of the Titans.
Cole cryptic lines may be implying that Thedas itself created the Titans to defend itself against the Elvanuris, Solas seems to have respect for the Titans, implying they were not evil.
It would be very fitting given what we now know about the Elvanuris that they in their arrogance would create a disaster, bury it and try to move on hoping the consequences would not be theirs to deal with.
I believe the Elvanuris that are trapped are behind the blight. Those who are locked away, taking out their revenge. Mythal helps stop the blight, and she is (if you choose) rewarded in the 5th blight for that. She is definitely playing the long game but I'd be extremely disappointed if she became the big bad. It would be a lot more fulfilling to me that we faced the Elvanuris who killed Mythal. That would be extremely satisfying.
@@visitingforgefather5997 this. You summed up my beliefs 😃
@@AeschylusShepherd this
@@AeschylusShepherd however I believe the ones who corrupted / killed the first titan eventually became the first darkspawn
What is it about Dragon Age´s obsession with betreyal?
- The Elven Gods betrayed Mythal
- Maferath and the Maker betrayed Andraste
- Conobar betrayed Flemeth
- The Human Noble (which is most likely the canon choice) in Origins is betrayed by Howe
- Cailin betrayed by Loghain
- Morrigan betrays Flemeth
- Morrigan "betrays" the Grey Warden
- Bartrand betrays Varric
- Meredith betrays the Templars
- Orsino betrays the mages
- Anders betrays Hawke
- The Templars betrayed the Chantry
- The Mages at Redcliff betrayed King Alistair´s/Queen Anora´s hospitality
- Solas betrays the Inquisitor
- Solas betrays Flemeth
Can it be that through an eluvian she transferred "the Mythal part" and the power that Solas gains in the end is not her's but the power of the soul she took from Kieran 🤔 This would mean she tricked the trickster 🤨
I don't think with what we already know about her there is any chance she didn't have a contingency plan for fenharel. You don't live that long by trusting people who have a grudge against you
I love the character of Flemeth. The whole reveal that Flemeth and Mythal are basically one was incredible writing. But I don’t know. I don’t see her as a villain, but neither do I see her as a hero. We’ve been given enough history and lore to know she is a central figure, but her allegiance can go either way for me at this point in time. But I don’t think we’ll see Flemeth again. Mythal? Oh yes, definitely. But I think the character of Flemeth as we know her is gone. Bringing her back would cheapen her entire interaction with Solas at the end of Inquisition.
An issue I see with Flemith’s Horcrux about the old gods theory. We know that at least the first Archdemon was slain and the Grey Warden who killed it died. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe none have survived killing except for maybe our Warden in Origins.
I didnt know a grey warden could survive killing an Archdemon
@@music79075 So our Grey Warden in Origins can survive if you do a ritual with Morrigan. Pretty much either you (if you’re a male warden) or Alister (if you convince him) have sex with her and the child absorbs the Archdemon’s soul instead of the warden.
@@CLNCJD94 i was aware of that but i appreciate you telling me nonetheless. It sounded like there was another option that i somehow missed all these years
@@music79075 ahhh my bad I wasn’t sure.
@@CLNCJD94 no apogies needed friend
Thank you for your videos ❤
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Flemeth will definitely be back!
Spoilers if you haven't played DAI.
She can be found in Morrigan or The Inquisitor depending on who drank from the Well of Sorrows. Also depending on whether or not Morrigan has a son who partakes in a transfer with Flemeth. I also remember something about Elven servers in Halamshiral talking about a woman claiming to be Flemeth speaking to them in dreams or through a mirror? Before the Trespasser DLC, we see Solas take powers from Flemeth which turned her into some sort of dead husk or stone. Before he got to her though, she seemed to be sending some of her essence through one of the mirrors. So she's definitely still out there, just waiting for the right time. 👀
Flemeth was the body, so we're not gonna see HER again unless her body is restored from being transformed into store. That must've been Mythal sending a part of herself through the Eluvian.
@@AzureRoxe Yes 👍
I think Flemeth will be back - one way or the other. She will most certainly be back in form of a "memory" in Morrigan and i guess that the soul of Urthemiel, which she sent to the Eluvian, was to a place where Fen'Harel cannot go atm. I think Flemeth is linked with the creation of the Grey wardens. When the first wardens where created they had to had an idea where to meet and why to do that. Thats not something soldiers think of themselves and can achieve on such a large scale on their own. I think they had help. Someone "shoved history", to speak in Flemeths terms. All the Archdemons are only savely destroyed when a grey warden sacrifices themselves. Thats what we know. How on earth was Flemeth able to write down a spell or even have a tome where a different method was displayed. And who wrote the tome if not someone who understood the whole concept of the blight and the archdemons more than anyone else? I think Mythal started the Blight when she struck down the titans, which in turn started to infect the land and even the lands, where Andruil hunted and she - in turn - was infected by it and the blight was syphoned by Mythal from her. Mythal / Flemeth knows a little too much about the Blight and thats why i think she is related to it. Solas is extremly wary of the blight and its dangers and he even calls it "poisoned." Solas normally has no problem with magic of any kind but why is blight magic or the blight poisoned and not to be used. I guess we will see that in the next game. I reckon that Mythal will show her true plan. And maybe even the little wolf is just a pawn for her.
love your videos!
She send something through the mirror, she ain't dead. I think Andrastes sister was the ogb btw, but something went very wrong and that's how thedas ended up with Andraste.
Flemeth has never technically lied about anything. She has been cryptic and economical with the truth, especially when asked a direct question about herself but she has never lied. Solas, on the other hand was a deceiver from day one.
Oh, and all evidence points to Sandal as my no 1 suspect for the Maker. Where else would the Creator/Maker hide but in plain sight as a dwarven savant of enchanting that acts as if they have taken the rite of tranquility but lays waste to hoardes of Darkspawn as casually as any Grey Warden? My gold is on them.
Dreadwolf - please, please, please don't let us down.
"You are required to do nothing, least of all believe. Shut one's eyes tight or open one's arms wide... either way, one's a fool!"
I woman that knows how to play the game and get exactly what she wants I can respect that. #TeamFlemeth
Alright fiiiiiine i subbed, damn didn't have to be so pushy showing up on my front page everyday.
So the line following Vivial was all daughters until Keiran's birth. I wonder if there is a special significance to that. I hope we have the opportunity to learn more about this in the next games
at the end there I feel called out though I also asked myself why not flemith and morrigan and the other daughter summoned underneath my bed like a lyrium induced fever dream.
I've always wondered about the maker as well!!
Well now I'm thinking of the wkuk great grandmas sketch.
I would say Flemeth's form of Justice is more like vengeance. Like vengeance, many innocents who had nothing to do with your plight, are affected or worse as you seek to claim vengeance. And this has been seen multiple times in the DA series, not just with Flemeth/Mythal
Flemeth was lying about not possessing Morrigan. She totally planned to possess her, as the Robes of Possession imply, but I think Morrigan may have managed to impress her enough to forego possessing her, or maybe Flemeth found a better way to live on, such as through that spirit that came from the Well of Sorrows. As for BioWare never confirming nor disproving the Maker's existence, I think they're lying about that just to throw fans off. They might give us an answer one way or the other in DA4 or 5. They seem to be leaning toward the Maker not existing though. And in that way, they'll probably try to rewrite Andraste's history so that most of what was written about her never actually happened, or could be explained in some other way. Like, she established a connection with a titan or something and that's how all her miracles happened.
Its more so the fact that the later writers were not as good and they went in a different direction entirely with the character. Flemeth was obviously planning to possess her
@@codyvandal2860 Definitely. She said a soul isn't forced on the unwilling, but the robes were designed to sap Morrigan's will.
I’m new to your channel so I’m not sure if you’ve done it yet, but it would be cool if you did a lore video on how the Elven gods had wings. I think there was a bit of discovered lore in-game that talks about an elf who was punished for taking the same shape as the gods and flying as they did.
Pretty good video, it would be pretty interesting if in the next game she will be the main vilain and betray somehow solas , so we can fight in his side
Wasn't Yvena the name of the desire demon you face in the fade during the Circle questline?
The one you fight in the very first part of the fade where you meet Nyall?
Flemeth has been on every game so far, it would make sense for her to come back in the fourth aswell. But if she's truly dead, then maybe Morrigan, the inheritor, will be there to fulfill the role her mother used to.
"stupid sexy flemeth" - one of my friends that played dragon age 2 when i was watching him play it back when it first came out lol
imagine if, in say, Dragon age 5 or 6 we fight a corrupt Maker as the last boss, I think that would be cool.
I think Flemeth will be in the next game too. Maybe she absorbs Solas's power when/if we kill him or something like that.
Dude, DA4 has a ton of problems already with core devs leaving left and right, lets not start hoping a 5 or even 6th is gonna be made when the 4th is still on thin ice.
I haven't watched the video because I am afraid of spoilers but this title definitely has the cogs in my head spinning 🤔 hmmmmmm
oh yeah this has got all the spoilers in it. i can’t wait till u finish the games so we can all theorize out!
@@sarialue making good progress :)
I feel the Calling and therefore The Blight are the result of the other Evanuris trying to get free from the prison Solas locked them in.
Flemeth/Mythal is a “grey character,” where she is not our enemy nor our friend…she has her sights set on her own goals and as long as our party can benefit those plans, she will not wipe us out in the process…
Same with Solas, as well
I'm really into this theory but I just want to see my Hawke come back from the fade. 😩
I don't think we have seen the last of her. We have "killed" her before and she came back, so unless Solas took her soul, i dont think she is gone.
I'm sure Flemeth will make an appearance in the next game as she bargained with Morigain to take her child and put a part of her self into one of the mirrors, and thats before you take into account of any other parts of her self hidden away in other amulets, or similar
I would be so shocked if she turns out to be the final boss or the big evil behind all, I really like her and yeah she is very mysterious but I love her. I was so sad when Solas killed her.
I would adore your theory as cannon. It would awesome if they tied in Andraste's origin so close to home. I know Morrigan (could have) had a son, but what if Kieran is only male because of the nature of ritual/gender of the old god soul used in his procreation? Flemeth will definitely be back, but I fear that Morrigan maybe manipulated to play her role instead. Morrigan potentially gets such a great boon, but she may have to pay the cost; if she's was the well drinker, anyways... I hope it isn't something too tragic in the end. I really like her, but what a shake up that would be. 😔
Though Kieran can be born if the Warden is in a relationship with her but refuses the ritual. So it pokes a hole in that, but it's still interesting to me that she did have a son and not a daughter.
Even ritual aside, I didn't know that he could still be born. Does the Warden still died in the final battle if this is the case? It would be interesting to find out that Kieran is actually female, but as another safeguard from Flemeth, she (he) was disguised as male.
Joke is on Flemeth, cause I never do the Dark Ritual!
When you say “morrigans saving grace”, wouldn’t you need to take into account if morrigan drank from the well? Flemeth was able to control morrigan or the player (if the player drank from the well) when they had the reunion again with her son. So In theory, If morrigan drank from the well, it could be her doom. Whose to say that flemeth comes back and “absorbs” morrigan in game 4 and takes all her power. I’m also pretty sure that flemeth left a piece of herself somewhere along with the old dragon soul. I also believe that game 4 will be about a stopping solas but also finding a new god coming in to take the throne. Since corypheaus stated that he basically saw that the throne was “empty” (the sit of the maker)when he went into the golden city. Which kinda makes me believe that flemeth isn’t dead and could end up taking over solas spiritually and absorbing him which could be one hell of a problem for everyone.
I really hope you do another video on Flemeth. I, like others have commented, have always had the feeling that she/Mythal were the big baddies of the whole series, with each game giving us a new piece of her story and plan. I played the DA games for the first time ever in 2018 so I'm still trying to learn all the lore. So if you do another video on Flemeth could you please talk about her in regards to Morrigan specifically (and all that comes with the topic of those two)? I have seen some ppl say Morrigan isn't Flemeth's true daughter but I don't ever remember learning that. I could be wrong but I potentially see Morrigan ruining Flemeth/Mythal's master plan. Like you mentioned Flemeth's other daughter thought it was wonderful to have the spirit of Mythal passed to her, whereas Morrigan didn't want that. I just sense Morrigan is the first one to not only stand up to her but also be smart/cunning enough to ruin her plan. Or at the very least, greatly hamper it somehow. Awesome video...can't wait for Dreadwolf!
She better be back in DA4!
I think Flemeth will be back as we saw her passing something through the mirror before Solas kills her.
Solas took in Mythal for a purpose: to bring down the Fade. This will happen. Then Morrigan will accept Mythal and become a goddess, stronger than Flemeth ever was BECAUSE there is no barrier to the other world. OR a part of the story will have Morrigan still confused with her destiny, Flemeth returning to help Solas, but then later Morrigan at last will take in Mythal this Flemeth will die forever. Either way as the epilogue notes state Solas plans on giving Mythal back to Morrigan when it is time.
I don't think Flemeth is a descendent of Andraste. (Leliana however....)
She was also 100% correct about Loghain's betrayals. So what did she lie about?