De-mystifying the bra -- where to from here? | Joy Slusarek | TEDxBattenkill
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2014
- This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. Joy Slusarek's looking to change the bra discussion - one that’s been anchored in discomfort and dislike for far too long. In her talk 'De-Mystifying the Bra,' she brings bra sizing to the table so that women can understand the numbers and letters, what they mean, and what they don’t mean.
On a mission to help women find their joy from the inside out, Slusarek thinks that loving your bra is a good place to start. Imagine a world where women everywhere love their bras! Where could we possibly go from there?
Vermont entrepreneur Joy Slusarek aced bra fit school (yes, there is a school for such things) and opened JOY all things underthings in downtown Manchester, VT in July of 2013.
Her unique marketing approach includes videos that feature her wearing a bra and talking about bras in a casual, basic, and entertaining manner. She believes what you know and how you feel about your bra contributes to what you bring to the world.
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My girlfriend bought 3 bras, same brand, same number, same cup, laid them out on the bed and showed me a 6-inch difference in their actual sizes. It's like the bra maker just makes a bunch of random stuff, slaps random labels on them, and expects women to blame themselves for any problems that result. Blew my mind.
Much to my surprise, talking to a Hanes employee, she said they license design. There is no Hanes garment factory. Retailers order from Asian factories and the same retailer placing orders for brand design/garment content can have vast discrepancies depending which factory each came from.
Bad news Craig, seeing that same thing (variable size and fit) in the Mr's briefs.
It really chaps my hiney seeing this size/quality discrepancy in the pricier LLBean garments.
I'll risk some credibility:Joy Slusarek put herself out there, and I think highly of her for doing so.
I haven’t worn a bra for many years and love wearing a tank top instead....much healthier and more comfortable! And a big plus....I save a lot of money:-)
Like your idea
Well at age 78 finally I have information I never knew. 😂😂💜💜💜💜👍🏻
Came for the thumbnail, stayed for the actually quite informative TED talk. Go figure.
For the first 28 years of my wife's life, she was buying bra from a single shop in her hometown because she trust the fitting lady. Now I know why. I am going to pass this on to her, I just need an excuse on how I come across this.
Kkkkkk
Thank you. Best explanation of sizing I've found!
Love her shape. Glad she it helping others be more comfortable.
Clear and helpful explanation of bra sizes. This has never really explained (it’s taken 50ish years) and I have a feeling that I’m in the wrong size. Many thanks for enlightenment.
I’m a guy but this is very informative. I always thought it was based on just the twins. The lower strap being the base of the measurement makes logical sense and the cup size based on the inch beyond base strap and adding two inches to measurement two being the number to buy.
one thing got left out:
SISTER SIZES!
band one size down and cup one size up and reverse is the same bra size
(34C is equal to 36B and equal to 32D) shape changes, size is thes same
Brilliant info and insight, thank you 💚💚💚
You're absolutely right. Make it fun and exciting like shoe shopping.
Really good TEDx- finally understood the mystery of bra sizing
How could you live with a girl for any length of time and not understand this? Even one or two experiments shows what works and what doesn't.
Excellent. Thank you.
Fascinating, although not relevant to myself, finally explained well. Now i understand not every C cup is the same C cup.
I would also appreciate one of these talks for US dress sizes.
I'm S, but sometimes don't fit me, too long too big, the pants are the same, but they always are too long for me.
Great video. You conveyd your message of bra education and awareness very well. Bras have been my obsession from the time I was a young boy. Thank you.
Thanks 🙏 for the education on bras. Band and cup size, really informative..
I'm sick of cups, especially with metal. I just want good sport bras for every day. Way more comfy and practical.
I especially like the ones that zip, snap or hook in the front. It's MUCH easier to wear than the sports bras with no closure at all that one must step into and then wrestle out of at the end of the day. Oh how I loathe those!
excellent explanation of how to know what is the right bra for a women, your ted talk should be shown in school. informative and simple, nothing wrong with good education and maybe great things would come of it ie, men respecting women better, women developing a stronger sense of self confidence and less immaturity all around.
Simp
Yes a bra is really important, emotional wise as well
I don't know how glad I am to find this video. We don't have bra fitters in my place and only now, 29 years after I've started to wear a bra did I figure out that I have been wearing 4 size smaller than my actual cup size....4 freaking size!
She is lovely. I had no idea so many women were unfamiliar or unsure about proper bra sizing and fit. Seems pretty important! It's good to be comfortable!
Why? Is A, B, C, differing across band sizes, somehow supposed to be intuitive?
Bras should have two numbers: band measurement, and fullest part of the bust measurement.
This was great. Thank you!
As an old guy who is growing moobs, I appreciated this video for the intellectual stimulation as well as the tips offered, just in case I actually have to go shopping. Thanks!
This information is necessary.
A. Why did she add 2" for the band size?
B. What was that thing she held up but didn't explain why it helps?
In the Netherlands we are lucky. Even in a small city there are2 or 3 bra shops where they measure you, ask you what kind of bra you want and like in the shoe shop they get different kind of bra's qua shape or sizes. They check if it fits well as well. I never buy a bra in a department store.
I also live in NL and I visited EVERY lingerie shop in my town (60K) - there s a lot of them but they still don't have my size (70H/I)
@@971368423 I live in Alkmaar and there use to be a shop who does. I bought my bra's there when I was still that small I'm now 85 F which is easier
They are expensive but very good.
If you want i can see if they still there and ask if they have your seize.
@@971368423 Similar in the US. Most stores only stock up to C cup, and thus, many in the US walking around in inaccurate size C.
Excellent video, very well explained.
Question. Why oh why is it so difficult to get front closing bras.
Thank you.
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Its pretty sad that, a 43 year old male, know more about female anatomy and how bras sizing works then all the women I've ever dated. My current gf, hated bra shopping, so i took her. She just said i wear this size and grabbed one and wanted to leave. I told her no. You don't wear that size, THIS is what you size you SHOULD be wearing (which was 1 cup smaller and 2 inches smaller bust) She said she's always been this size, but after trying it on, it fit so much better. I also made her stop wearing them to bed. She, like many, think by wearing to bed that they won't sag snag they get older lol. I told her how my ex wife went from B to DD in one summer in high school. Even at 19 they sagged. It's about body composition, not gravity. Now she sleep better as well without it.
You're adults, learn your bodies people.
I think it’s pretty sad that it seems to be all men commenting on this video at all.
Why, pray, are you guys even in here? You seriously cannot be this concerned about the fit of a garment you will never ever even wear. Seriously, why ARE you even here???
For sure age and gravity will win so don't torture yourself wearing the damm thing 24/7 and to bed. Makes no difference. Just torturing yourself.
You had me at bra.
Yeah! Excellent Questions
A woman wearing a bra w/ a too small cup size might find herself quoting that part of the 23rd Psalm that says "my cup runneth over". ;-)
The number is the band, the letter is the cup-man, that is _some_ subtle concept she clarified with such great eloquence and reach. I mean, if she'd just said it one less time ..I'd have missed it!
Great Action though.
This is on your 100 things to do 😁 love it 👍
Great thank you and I like the way you do presentation lol
BEST Tedx EVER!!
Bras need redesigning and so do knickers
I feel I just discovered my femininity ! Thanks so much !
i knew about the sizing - maybe even back in 2014 - but i'm STILL not sure what style that fits me... i think it's in part due to having a band size that i rarely see in shops
Welcome to the club. Most major bra manufacturers don’t market to my cup size combined with my band size.
Thanks, now I understand it doesn't meter the cup, it meter the number, for wearing a bra that fit well and feels comfortable.
For years, fitters measured you and added inches to the number. No wonder they don't fit right.
You need a fitter to look at a new one you have tried on and evaluate it for fit. Even different brands might not fit right in the SAME SIZE.
4 AM and I am watching a ted talk about bras...how did I get here?
Also 4:30 AM and I'm watching this. I don't know why...lol
Bravo Carlos , right on !
because youtube algorithm noticed your a guy, so 50/50 chance you like boobs, and BAM, here's a related video in your feed. at least I assume that's how it happened.... I fear not even youtube knows how it works with 100% certainty.
If one measures 30 why would one “start” at 32? She never explains this detail, and the logic escapes me.
Yea, I assume it's because having a band of ones exact measurement might be a little bit too tight
It's the band is based on based on victorian shirt sizing, not inches.
Actually if band no comes out to be even then we have to add a 2 to it.
@@jenniferhay-roe2566 it's really not, the current system was created in the 70s, before that the number was your full bust measurement, brasizes have nothing to do with the Victorian era
People on the smaller end of the spectrum tend be less squishy around that area, if her snug underbust is a 30 she might want to sistersize for comfort, this also depends a lot on the brand, some brands use firmer elastics and on the colour as darker dyes tend shrink the fabric more and make the band tighter than lighter colours
@@l.c.8475, thanks for the info. I never knew that about the dyes affecting elasticity. But, the video before this one tells a different story in relation to Victorian sizes.
In either case, the topic will always be necessary.
a good message, kinda learn something about it.
Wawoo all along have been wearing the wrong bra 🤣🤣 thanks 🙏🏾 lady
everyone thinks the alphabet ends at D. JJs are hard to find with a small band. stretchy is most important, the less stretch the worse the fit. we bounce and need to bounce. in my 50s im still very perky wearing comfy wired 24/7
Wow Claire Danes is so talented
Gonna make my own
Perky vs Sag. Elastic vs non-Elastic. Padded vs thin cloth. Lots of work to be done. Lots and lots.
Hi! Are the measurements taken with a bra on or with the girls out ?
I've only ever heard of measurements taken sans-bra. But if you get sized then that will be addressed privately.
without a bra.
I never wear a bra when I tape out my chest.
54" was Max at 285
52" at 242
The smallest clasp on the smallest band is the only one that fit, everything else is huge! I want to know why it doesn’t start at 28 and end in the 50s, the size range is small
Some bra lines do start at 28 and run into the 50s, just not the common ones you find at a department store. You'll probably have to go online to find unusual sizing.
You can try to find a seamstress to make you a custom bra. Your band and cup size can be fit to your body.
I don't understand something. Hopefully someone can help. Why if she measures the band at 30 on herself, does she go to a 32 band size? Does that mean that whatever I measure myself at that I go the next size up?
agreed! because later on she goes on to say "start on the last clasp", because stretching will happen.
I didn't understand that either. And she only talked about even sizes. What if you're a 37"? Do you still add 2", and then add or subtract an inch because they're only sold in even sizes?
You might want to breathe when wearing, so allow for comfortable, natural expansion.
A different ted talk explained those extra inches were added to calculate Victorian shirt sizes. Our modern bras are using Victorian shirt sizes as standards of measurement, which is ridiculous!
It's just for comfort. I measure 33 inches, when I was thinner I could do a 32 band. But I'm pregnant and gained weight so now I go up to 34 band. My bust is measuring 42 so I wear a UK 34FF
Not every woman wears one everyday. Burn the bra!! 1970s. I only wear one when “dressing up”.
Omg was she wearing Natori feathers bra!?!? Those are my favorite!
It took me a while, but I just figured out what the "x" stands for in these TEDx vids.
TEDxxx: After Dark
Triple X baby!
What is she holding up at 11:25? Is that a bra strap extender? You can't tell and she doesn't tell you what it is. I looked through a few of the comments but I don't see an answer.
Yup women own 100 pairs of shoes of course shoes are made in last size get fit for the proper size and choose the latest color to fit. Thwy make a computer scanner that can custom fit a bra or dress to your exact measurement. For women it is more about esteem and experience. I worked at commission sales a womens clothing store. I unloaded merchandise four hours each day. I then stocked the floor based upon size and could upsell women the newest merchandise. I made good commission checks based upon this. It was fun making women happy and feeing good . A mans look was what women wanted
Makes since if you think of it like shoe sizing.
Long ago, at LLBean, the attendant for shoe area said if a style is available for both men and women, 70% of the women are buying the men's. Which means they're styling their women's shoes for a minority of women.
Laura Tempesta's 2019 has same info as Joy Slusarek's 2014. hmmm
Joy is way clearer though imo
If your size cup A or B it is ok to go braless but cup C and upwards not so
This must be in Utah
But _what's_ that "little guy" she shows @ 11:20 ???
pasties
Did not discuss the reason for wearing a bra in the first place
i"m miserable in my large chest. My back hurts HELP
Overall accurate except when measuring yourself it's too easy to not get an accurate measurement because you can't see where the tape is across the back and will likely pull tight to keep it from sliding down. I have been trained for bra fittings and have seen many sizes. I don't see a 32 C in her size but a 32 B
Now I am not a bra fitter Sioban but as I watched her talk I DID take a tape measure and do what she showed and it would seem that I have been in the wrong size most of my life!
Most women are. Measuring yourself will get you a closer estimate than none at all
Yeah i agree her tits don't even look big
Get a mate or a friend to help.
It depends on the shape of the bra cups, which she explained, and as a bra fitter you should know that.
I’ve been married for ten years to my wife and never understood bra sizes until watching this. And to think, I clicked on the video because of the fetching young lady in a bra on the thumbnail. 🤣
Okay and your married? You’ve been for 10 years? Alright like-
He said he was married, not dead. I clicked on it because I liked the color of the skirt and learned more about bras in 14 minutes than I had in 3 years working at Victoria’s Secret. I did have to dispose of a lot of VS bras because they had underwire issues at the time so I guess I learned something.
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First time learnt something from a youtube video...
The image @13:47 disproves her simple calculation of cup sizes. The longer the band the bigger the cup size. Laura Tempesta gave a much more informative talk at TEDxKC,
Her point is that the cup letter is the same but the actual size grows as the band does, so “40D” cup is the same as “32H” (if my mental math is correct)
Yep found hers much more informative especially about cup sizes.
@@ciannacoleman5125 A 40 band would drop off of someone who's ribs are a 32. If you mean "full bust" measurement would be the same (32 + H (another 8 inches) = 40 inches, 40 + D (another 4 inches) = 44), no, full bust measurement is not "the same" either.
@@buzoff4642 I was talking about the cup size specifically not that the same person could wear both sizes. The cup itself in both bras is the same size but the bras fit two completely different size people, the math involved in rib cage vs bust is what causes the cup letter to be different.
The A, B, C size is in relation to the band, and not a fixed size. Just like shoe widths. Just like kids' husky.
Life would be easier if rather than this hokey ABC, we were given bra sizes with band measurement AND full bust measurement. A bra 32D would be 32/36, the 38D would be 38/42. Easier, yes? Two measurements, no alpha translations.
So, "I wear a B, but band is getting tight", does not mean bigger band with cup B. It likely means bigger band with cup A. I don't find that intuitive.
You know what I want to change about bras why do we have to wear them? I know that some women feel more comfortable in bras but that is because Society made you think you need to put wires or cloth over a natural part of your body I see no problem with women not wearing bras but still everyday women are persecuted even in gyms for letting their nipples show I'm sorry but I have nipples we all have nipples why do we need to pretend like we don't?
Yes! The first thing I, and every other woman I know does when she gets home from work is take. of. that. bra! I'm 64 and I know a few women who never wear bras, but I find that they wear lots of concealing layers, even in the summer so that their lack of artificial support doesn't show. Even though, as an old hippie, I didn't wear a bra until I was in my 20s, I would not feel comfortable going braless under a t shirt now. It's a shame.
Persecuted by who? Other women. Just leave each other alone.
Nobody makes you wear a bra, have you seen on National Geographic what they look like when you don’t, if you’re fine with that then go for it, don’t force your feeling about it on others
@@oaneschriemer2724 you have got to be the fourth male or female to comment on here about how I'm forcing my opinion on other people by simply saying that women should not feel pressure from anybody anywhere to have to wear a bra and if you have tits then you know even if you go to the grocery store somebody is going to say something to you about seeing your nipples or they're going to wait till you walk away and call you something I will do whatever I want and wear whatever I want that's not the point the simple point is people like that should not be out there that is the point I don't know why this bothers you has anything to do with you or you even felt like you needed to comment
@@lifeafterlife8417 hello that's the entire point of the post is that women should leave each other alone everybody should leave each other alone that is the entire point if you thought a little bit you would understand that
Please tell me, is this measurements is inches or CM ?
Inches, definitely. If your ribcage is 32 centimeters around, you need some help.
@@sccello thank you, I found out your explanation is very helpful
Practical lecture
So glad i have tiny A cups and feel most comfortable with no bra!
Raise the glass to small bras!
Let's take it again, the things she said in the video: The number is the band, the letter is the cup. The cup is relative to the band, so the cup size says nothing about the size without knowing the band size. For example, the cup of a 38A is the same as the cup for a 32D.
@@SqueamishNerd ok then i'm glad i have tiny 32A boobs and don't give a damn about bras anymore. This knowledge is useless to me 😂
A-BRA-CA-DA-BRA IT FITS
NBLC.... That's the moto
As a cashier women always chose to go to my line thinking they would get a reaction..so I suprised them by fumbling around with the lil plastic bra hangers and said" as you can see its been a long time since I learned to unhook a bra." :-) :-)
If you measure 30 inches around for your band size, why do you have to go up to a 32? That makes no sense. Shouldn’t it be a size 30?
Fascinating. But Joy isn't specific as to why she adds 2" to her band. She measures 30" and adds 2 = 32." So with the bust measuring 35" the difference is 3 hence a C cup.
So if she just went with the 30" it would be an E cup which probably would be too large.
And if she added, say 4" it would then be an A cup.
So the question is is 2" the STANDARD number to add to the band? ...
It depends on how spishy your ribcage is, most people don't need to add anything, but you should round up and not go up more than one bandsize from the number you arrive at after rounding.
I would probably put her in a 32D based on her measurements, but going up or down one cupsize really doesn't change much and depends a lot on the bra itself, the difference between cupsizes is pretty small
31/10R15
This is good I hate bras hope they adjust this
I really wonder, how people did not know, the "number is the band". In Europe everybody knows this.
Problem with European sizing is that you actually need to subtract 10, because European sizes tried to take the +4 method out of their system and unknowingly baked it in
@@l.c.8475 What's with all this hooey? Why is it not just two numbers: band measurement, and full bust measurement? A B C is illogical and non-intuitive.
@@buzoff4642 ABC can be intuitive if it's explained right, for each inch in difference between bust and underbust you go up a letter, that's also true for most European brands, (although there are a few outliers that use 2cm steps) C means 3 inches, D means 4 inches, L means 12 inches, I would prefer 32:3 over 32C, but I think 32:35 would be a lot more confusing, especially if you factor in sistersizes
@@l.c.8475 It shouldn't need an explanation, when there is no good reason for it. 2 numbers, both measurements.
@@buzoff4642 it's easy to misunderstand that way
I've always worn a "40" cupsize, by those standards, the only thing that changed was the bandsize, I went from 36:40 to 32:40 to 30:40. The first 2 were way too small in the cups with bandsizes that were huge on me, but it looks like the cupsize stayed the same. If I told you I went from wearing 36:4 to 32:8 to 30:10 it would be more obvious that the cupsize got bigger as I went down in bandsize and came closer to a brss that fits and that those cupsizes have nothing to do with each other other than the same full bust measurement,
if we go with full bust measurement it's almost asking pushy salespeople to put you in the same bust measurement regardless of underbust size, "we don't have your underbust size, but we can give you a 40 in another bandlength, our 32 bands don't come in 40, but our 34 does, if it's too tight you can try a 36" (cups that are too small make the band feel tight) because don't think for a second that mainstream places would be willing to increase the amount of sizes they stock, they will continue wirh the same dishonest tactics to sell you bras
I'm all for switching from A-B-C... to 1-2-3... though
Why go with a 32 if you measure 30?
Right; I thought one is supposed to go up by four from an even band size to get to the conventional or nominal size.She should have explained why she didn’t. She might have a good reason.
She mentioned that it might be too ambitious. Maybe she means it might be too tight.
@@roshs5619 “Maybe she means it might be too tight.” I agree that was her intent. I think she had a good reason for being thus “ambitious”: Most women (of those who wear the wrong size) wear too large a band and too small a cup. (According to the subreddit A Bra That Fits.) E.g., many women who wear a 34B should wear a 32C. Etc.
I dont understand why if she measures 30 around why she went up to a 32
I don't even know why I clicked on this video. I've only occasionally chewed up some bras to use them as bedding. That's it. Bye.
Ban the bra!
Yes!
Because god forbid we have nipples. OMG, the horror!! LOL
She has a nice figure.
And European sizes? Inches is confusing. Seriously switch like all other countries have made.
So how are european sizes calculated? It's 2cm? 2,5? Or maybe 3?
jarlfenrir
Well I don’t know, that’s why I asked. :)
@@macjonte The "switch like all other countries have made" part made me believe that you know how it's made in all other countries. I read about bra sizing some time ago and I'm sure I've found information that it varies. It depends on a brand rather on on country. Sometimes it's inches, sometimes 2cm.
One inch is 2.54 cm
@@memyselfandi432 But i believe for simplicity European companies are using 2,5cm instead of inches.
I didn't understand why 32
Didn't make sense to me either. Given her expectation that the band will loosen/stretch as it ages, I'd expect she'd go with 30, or 28.
I remember the 70s when women started burning bras.
Fred Thomson
Unfortunately women did not stay on that level of evolution and fell back into the pre-enlightenment dark aera of bras.
@@berndheiden7630 now they have the sports bra which is just a step away
@@berndheiden7630 Newsflash: it's not their evolution that fell...
@@fredthomson8941 Going from 1/2 inch elastic banding around one's chest, to 8 inches of elasticized fabric around one's chest, is not an improvement.
Was this really worthy of a TED TALK ?
How about...no bras. get rid of'em!
.. 'Working Girls' should start a practice of the last Friday of the month being "No Bra Day" at work. Start in May or June . . . .
I personally like them bcuz they make me feel more secure idek
I wonder if the guys who went to this talk thought they learnt nothing useful
How trivial. Thought it would be a discussion of history and purpose and modern context lol.
The A, B, C needs to go. We don't give men neck/arm length ratio lettering for their dress shirt sizes. There's no good reason for women to have to deal with this non-intuitive formulation.
If women were anatomically what men are, underpants would be sized by cup size and waist size, and would include various underwire and backstrap options.
the price of being a woman....
OK softcore tedtalk
Mama we made it
*scd