I have been banned from Minecraft.
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2022
- Mojang are introducing their own method of suspending accounts. As of 1.19.1, players can be reported for violating community standards, and may be subject to multiplayer server bans.
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"as long as you're a good person, this won't affect you"
come on phoenix, you're smarter than that. it's always cap. big companies ALWAYS suck at this kinda thing. there are no exceptions. it's gonna be bad.
With all my heart, i say i agree
what if I'm a neutral person
@@catmixo you get banned too
Unless you pay them, nudge nudge
If we yell at Microsoft now, they'd have to manage this according to our expectations. There's a good chance this is all being done for another purpose, and won't actually be fully implemented or enforced.
@@PhoenixSC this is literally 1984
What worries me is that in their community guidelines it says “typing in all caps can be read as YELLLING! and yelling is usually not very nice”. I think I speak for everyone when I say having “usually” in written rules is pretty scary
yea
It doesn't take the whole chat log either, players can pick and choose (up to 5) messages to send in a report.
If it's giving the reporters the ability to doctor their reports, how much faith do you have in the review team making the right decisions and only issuing fair bans? Lmfao
The idea of being banned from *all multiplayer servers* for talking in all caps is ludicrous to me. This whole thing is BS
@@jackmcawesome7087 yeah, I totally agree... I have given the Caps button on my keyboard the Funktion of sneaking, so it constantly happens to me to write in all caps on accident... Also there should be a possibility for turning stuff all written in caps into "normal" letters (on servers) as I've seen it on one server and think that's a good solution for this "problem"
''saying things we dont like can usually lead to bans''
ah yes
replace ''bans'' with ''censorship'' and we have ourselves a beautiful political discussion on our hands
anyway
my friend has a realms server because our friend group is all over the world so we needed a good connection and a 24/7 connection possibility
WE HAVE EXPERIANCED THE CENSORSHIP
its absolute trash
and thats not even with the bans by mojang in place yet
we werent able to even speak with each other because the censorship filter thought we were swearing in every sentence so we basically werent able to communicate
we immediately moved to discord until the censorship was reverted a week later (i think they were testing it and used us as test subjects against our consent)
not to mention my friend doesnt speak good english so he types in his language
every sentence he said was either censored or didnt even send
and he was just trying to communicate with us
like: ''theres cobble in the double chest on the right''
that message didnt even send
he had to message me on discord for me to even receive anything
if this gets implemented then minecraft chat will be completely unusable and useless
"As long as you're a good person and you're not violating these guidelines this won't affect you"
Yeah, no, I don't agree. This feels like "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" all over again. It oversteps boundaries and is massively abusable no matter how you look at it.
oh man, no more breaking bad meth stash on my minecraft server anymore
it's youtube fake report all over again just wilt minecraft
AND THEIR COMMUNITY STANDARDS SAY THAT YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO TYPE LIKE THIS.
@@CaptainX2012 WHAT THE HELL?
*says racist joke 10 years ago on a private teamspeak VC* Welp guess you're banned. Also, you're really good at PvP? Guesss you're banned for exploiting. Oh you got bot reports? Guess you're banned.
They're overstepping and some bans include single player bans, which violates consumer rights laws in most countries.
I'm libertarian, and I can totally see the LEGAL right Mojang has to do this, since it's their game. (whether they have the MORAL right to do it is entirely different and the answer is decidedly no) However, if Mojang wants to hide behind complete private ownership, then they shouldn't get protection from the publicly funded government enforcing their EULA. In other words, if they want to fuck over consumers, consumers have every right to fuck THEM over with piracy, flagrantly violating their EULA, etc.
Whether they have the legal right to do this or not, it still makes the reprehensible scum bags
@@robonator2945 Companies break the law constantly because there's no feasible way for individuals to take them to court and they know it. In many cases, the court fees and fines are also far less than their potential profits. Hence why there's so many instances of companies ignoring calls for recalls even when ppl due, because it's cheaper to settle out of court. In this case, these rules 'should' only apply to future versions of the game, not the older ones. As long as that remains true, technically they're in the clear in the States at least, but I'm extremely dubious about it cuz I don't trust Microsoft. So far it seems like it's not as bad as I was fearing tho.
Laws are not set in stone and we can always demand they be changed. Laws are dictated by morals and money. It's extremely unlikely for the common folk to be prioritized in lawmaking nowadays due to the latter. Lobbying is a big business and it's very effective. Average folk just can't compete with major corporations with the current state of things. Taxes are a great example of just how warped the priorities of the government have gotten. There should never be an instance where individuals pay more taxes than multinational corporations, yet here we are. I'll end the ideological mini-rant here tho.
@@Heeroneko thanks for the politically motivated essay but it's not relevant to anything I said. Outside of proving you've never heard of a class action it does nothing for the conversation. It doesnt even refute the ideal stance I actually presented of "it should be legal, and it should also be legal for end users to violate the EULA and just play a cracked version of the game".
If anything your long winded argument argued IN FAVOUR of a limited libertarian esque government since the government can't be trusted and will always be under the tug of corporate manipulation; so a weak and heavily regulated government limits the damage lobbying can do. Realistically the things thatcause the most harm are always done by government politicians and not corporate lobbying, (bad mustache man wasn't a CEO, he was a head of state) but we're operating under the presumption you're argument is valid here.
Either you don't realize people don't need to go to court to get authorization to play a cracked copy of a game, or you didn't read what I said, assumed you knew what I said, and wrote an essay debunking what I didn't say.
@@robonator2945 You started your comment off with 'I'm libertarian'. You're the one seeing this through the lens of politics. My statements didn't refute yours, because I wasn't trying to refute anything. I stated facts about how the world works flavored with my disdain that it is so. If you're not capable of discussing topics with ppl who share different viewpoints than you without starting arguments w them, I don't know what to tell ya. That's a you problem.
Most of the time there are clauses included that require you to agree not to file a class action lawsuit. Some states might protect against this by invalidating EULAs that include such clauses, but they're extremely common and have been used to strike down class action suits in the past successfully. Many EULAs are already considered unenforceable/illegal by default so that should also be kept in mind. A lot of that does not matter, because what legal recourse does the average person have? Most people do not have a personal lawyer and while there are free consultations, legal fees can easily bankrupt individuals. You also have to consider that many lawyers will not touch such cases with a 10 ft pole because they want to maintain a positive relationship with those companies and avoid getting blacklisted. There's also the time you have to take out of your personal life, the time you have to take off work for court dates, the travel fees depending on where the case is filed, etc. It is not easy or simple to take a multinational corporation to court.
If you already own Minecraft, you can still download and play previous versions of the game, including using the old launcher that does not require an account log in. I didn't mention pirating, because I didn't think it was relevant when none of this affects ppl who are already using cracked copies of the game. Nintendo sent a guy to jail for cracking their shit and the guy's going to be paying them a large chunk of his paycheck til the day he dies. So, there's also that to consider, tho technically as long as you're only dling cracked content, not creating or disbursing it, you should be fine.
@@Heeroneko I stated a political position within relevant context in order to explain a position and effectively argue it in a succinct manner, you just went on a completely disjointed rant that doesn't even remotely apply because you wanted a soapbox. Personal conceptions regarding private freedoms and government control directly tie into the conversation, you went on some random unrelated rant about how hard it is to sue corporations, a fact which holds zero relevancy to the conversation since my entire point was they ARE within their legal right, ergo, cannot, or at least should not, be suable.
Now you could have argued a reason why you disagree and they SHOULD be liable, but that's not what you did, you went on a tirade about how hard it is to sue corporations, taking their culpability as a given when it's the explicit point of contention.
Either you genuinely have no fucking idea what the conversation is about and are just talking out your ass, or you're intentionally being dense because you know you don't have a rebuttal, and frankly between terminally stupid and terminally dishonest I'm not sure which is worse.
If there was ever a time to get behind "I miss the old minecraft" it is certainly now
you dont miss old minecraft, you just miss being happy
No we miss not having a massive corporation breathing down our necks when we play a game the WE bought.
no most of you miss being happy, when companies weren’t doing whatever their doing now
@adrolll @ryan-uk6jf you guys certainly know exactly how someone you've never met is feeling! Incredible
The fact that they have the audacity to restrict your access of a product you bought to an independently operated server is mind blowing.
I bought this game over 10 years ago from a different company, and now they can stop me playing with my friends? Theft. Plain and simple.
@@KyriosHeptagrammaton Sadly no. You never bought the game. You bought the right to download software and use it within the ever updating Terms of Service.
With physical releases you at least have the storage medium that is objectively yours.
Edit note: Added "within the ever updating Terms of Service"
@@HeresorLegacy I'm not sure. Back when they were a small indie company I might have actually owned the game, which would make this so much worse. If I 'buy' a game from EA I know what to expect, but in this case...
@@HeresorLegacy yar har fiddle dee dee
@@HeresorLegacy no stop with the semantics you gave them money for a product or service in the case of a product that product belongs to you the it's just a license to use is a bullshit cop-out no I gave them money for a product what I do with that product is my business and you can disagree all you want but in America guns speak louder than ink on paper take my shit from my cool dead hands but that won't be very east with bullet holes in you that's how it should be everyone's a armed society is a polite society we everyone's got the ability to kill regardless of age and gender people are nicer to each other if you've never been in rural America than you'd never know that when everyone's got a shot gun that they can put holes in a 1000 pound animal with people will wave a say hi to their neighbors and be pleasant but walk down the road in a big city and you'll see people yelling and cursing like a sailer in traffic it's because the person in front of them in traffic probably doesn't have a gun if he did and everyone knew he did that would have never happened you've got to be some kind of stupid to insult someone you know has a weapon that can put holes in your 2k pound car like Swiss cheese
"As long as you're a good person, this won't affect you" has that "innocent people don't need lawyers" energy to it.
I once made a "banned from minecraft" mock up image in 2021.
I regret it.
The "as long as you're a good person, and not violating these guidelines, this won't affect you" got to me. I think everyone watching this video knows that's not true.
Because there's always that one mad 7yo that keeps spamming the report feature for the entirely wrong reason because they called them a doo-doo head.
To be honest I think everyone freaking out about this is afraid because they're used to saying terrible things in chat like. Genuinely mojang is not going to ban you for calling someone a doodoo head, they're going to ban you for saying a racial slur.
@@theforkgroup6781 Maybe, but I would bet against you. I genuinely believe that there would be more false reports than actual bannable offenses, and I don't think I'm alone.
I can see why you think what you think, but I guess our online experiences are just different.
@@theforkgroup6781 they ban for swearing, context doesnt matter, a 3 day ban for profanity by just saying fuck in chat.
They will ban you for anything, theres no team big enough to moderate minecraft, no matter what bullshit you can say, there litteraly is not a company on earth, including amazon, that can afford a moderation team big enough to handle all of minecraft, and its subcommunities.
And dont even try AI moderation, it quite litteraly will never understand context unless it can think along the lines of a human.
@@qwertypixelYT lol
banned for writing in capitals? DAMN.
woops i accidentally enabled capslo--why can't i go online?
IT'S KINDA SAD, REALLY.
DAMN DANIEL
Oh hey didn't expect to see you here
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT PLAY ONLINE ANYMORE FOR "YELLING"
Don’t worry guys they will have a “ highly trained moderator team” and there’s absolutely positively no way this team doesn’t have a pulse and speaks in binary
This will change the game forever... for the worse, and here's why:
• A vulnerability has been found that allows non-existent messages to be attached to a complaint. This allows you to change the context of the player's messages, expose him as an intruder and block him from online play for no reason. There is no guarantee that this vulnerability is the first and last, so you can expect massive bans on RUclipsrs' accounts.
• Many categories of complaint limit freedom of speech rather than protect players. For example:
- Alcohol may be mentioned in role play or adult conversation, but the Drugs and Alcohol category does not make an exception for such cases.
- On servers with PvP and anarchy, players often use the words "detonate" or "kill", which falls under the category of "Threat of harm".
Mojang claims to be aware of this, but recent cases of player bans prove otherwise. They are collected in (this article).
• The system of complaints blocks the player not only on version 1.19.1, but also on all versions up to 1.6.
• Fear of the new system will lead to a huge drop in online servers, which can subsequently lead to the death of Minecraft.
Only you Minecraft players can stop this.
#saveminecraft
for the last category, it feels like their point is to destroy Minecraft: Java Edition.
How are words like "kill" and "detonate" against the rules when both are fundamental aspects of the game? That's so stupid
Uuuum the "this article" isn't a link. I would love to see such a link though.
@@t20kdc it'll be better if you send your discord and then i can link on it to you
@@gpu3050ti Why exactly should I need to send a Discordtag to get a link to what is presumably a public article?
This is such a horrible idea by Microsoft. The admins could easily just take care of this person. There's also the possibility of someone getting spam reported over something like a stolen diamond
Indeed, what if you join a private server with no rules (where you can swear, etc), and some random stranger reports you? This just feels stupid. Java Edition used to be like the open version of the game where you host your own servers and there isn't really a central authority controlling everyone and everything. Now it's all going downhill.
Oh no, my single diamond was stolen! How am I going to make my shovel now?
Or a group of people deciding to bully someone, because it is [insert reason here].
Bot broke lol
It is a big issue but it may help slightly against hypixel or bug server moderation
"As long as you're a good person, this won't affect you"
I dont consider people who swear to be bad people, and this system could easily ban that group. "Harassment and bullying" is also way too broad of a term. If I teased my friend and someone reported me, I could be banned from all servers just for saying something completely light-hearted.
what if you’re playing 2B2T and you blow up somebody’s base, would you get banned for that?
@@notmonkeybusiness Microsoft don't think shit through, first a forced migration and now chat reports. Everything nowadays is dying due to power hungry leaders. RUclips, minecraft, everything.
@@notmonkeybusiness Not justifiably, that's an anarchy server and griefing is allowed because there's no rules.
@@glowstickqueen7139 At this point, "justifiably" doesn't matter. If my friends and I are all adults and decide we're okay with swearing, mojang could still decide we're breaking *their* rules and have us banned anyway (assuming someone reported a message).
@@glowstickqueen7139 It's 2B2T, it's not really no rules. Saying kill in the chat will 100% get you banned from buying priority queue which makes the server practically unplayable. The server doesn't deserve to be called an anarchy server anymore.
The moderation of multiplayer should ALWAYS be up to the server admins, PERMA BANNING ANYONE should never EVER be okay! especially from a game as diverse as this! imagine joining 2b2t and some guy set up a bot to auto report everyone, no one there will ever be able to play any multiplayer ever again
Regardless of your opinion, this is objectively fucked
I agree this is morally horrible (although as a libertarian I think they Mojang should have a right to do this, and then the players should have the right to fuck them back by just violating the EULA anyway and Mojang can do fuck all to stop them as we normalize the use of cracked servers and clients) but the closer of
"Regardless of your opinion, this is objectively fucked"
goes too fucking hard, like god damn. I can see that being the concluding line of "Mario the Idea vs Mario the Man"
Technoblade has went to fight the kingdom of god and left this mortal plane(according to tommy on twitter)
And mojang is starting to add more controlling features and chat reporting around the same time. This is truly the worst timeline.
Me joining back on Minecraft after 365241761671 days to grief Jeb again:
I'd allow it.
NOOOOOOOOOO
@@PhoenixSC can u remove the spambots pls
@@daenite2480 gg on getting pinned lol
Chad move
I absolutely hate this. This kind of system only makes sense when the company also owns the servers. Minecraft servers are owned by individuals. Some servers allow many things that Mojang deems unacceptable. What if I violate the Mojang community guidelines on 2b2t? Why should Mojang get involved when the players have agreed that there are no rules on a particular server? I could understand this for Realms and only banning players from Realms but Mojang needs to keep their hands out of private servers.
I really really hope they do the same as Discord affiliated servers do, where if they're official partners, they have to follow a certain set of rules put by Discord and such. Same for Minecraft, but honestly now we just have to pray to fear God they try and reconsider a few things about this.
guess we just found the next way people are gonna get eachother banned on 2b2t. no longer do you need to book ban or even really put in any effort considering 2b2t
it should *at the very least* be an option that can be disabled in the config of the server, and maybe having a big red "you won't be able to report in this server" sign if you try to connect to a server with reporting disabled.
even if they add that someone should make a mod to bypass this, because connecting to a 3rd party Minecraft server got nothing to do with Microsoft
its stupid, I play on 2b as well. Ever since Microsoft got Minecraft I knew it was gona go downhill. Bedrock is for younger people so moderation like this could be considered partly ok but for java which in my opinion is for more older people. But still its Microsoft.
“As long as you’re just a good person, this won’t affect you” but also don’t forget you can’t yell so saying AHHH or LOL or HELP! or something like that will get you banned
I feel like this could be fixed by giving individual servers an option to ignore Mojang's ban list.
"as long as you're a good person, this won't affect you"
The road to hell is paved in good intentions. Things like this have historically gone down horrifically, it always started as something *good*.
Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
ma'am this is a Wendys
Never forget the shirley exception
@@thepenmen22 this is people's childhoods and PRICATELY OWNED servers at risk because they mentioned catching a beer with a friend (mention of alcohol is bannable) or because they outskilled a streamer and God forbid had the audacity to say a curse word.
this isn't a server or a simple new account. it's over a decade of memories snd adventure being corrupted by an abusive corporate profit system intended on not profiting off JUST realms and advertising and new accounts already being made.
if we don't set a bar, no one will. add whitelists of banned players for public servers and get your fuckass corporate hands out of my private life. if the other players leave the realm, let them. the admins allowed that behavior for a reason. let them exercise their rights.
This minecraft shit get serious. Be ready to die behind it.
ive been saying this for years
theyre not doing it for ''our good'' theyre doing it for their own
and trying to justify it as it being ''our good'' to those who are gullible
cant wait to not be able to communicate normally through MC and im gonna have to use discord or some other platform to message each other
basically completely nullifying the games chat ''feature'' at that point
"As long as you're a good person, this won't affect you."
"If you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't mind submitting to random searches and invasions of privacy."
Not an argument, there are plenty of reasons to not want to submit to rules such as these even if you're not doing anything bad. Mojang isn't my dad, and I don't trust them to be fair.
Even if they were my dad, I still wouldn't trust them.
A corporation sounds like a pretty shitty father to me..
especially when it's owned by MICROSOFT.
*M I C R O S O F T .*
i got banned for making jokes with my friends & they weren’t even awful jokes we were jus calling each other mommy and shit 💀💀
I got banned for hacking but I was not hacking lol
@@Mr.EraserMan YOU CAN GET BANNED FROM THE WHOLE GAME FOR HACKED CLIENTS??????????????????
nah this is too far and the only time i used hacked clients was when the president of my country made a minecraft server and i just had to
We've seen youtube and twitch utterly fail in holding their own guidelines. How the hell would anyone expect Microsoft/Minecraft to be anydifferent.
I wonder if servers could get around this system by instantly ‘cancelling’ a message a player sends and then re-sending it as a tellraw (whatever the thing is that you can send messages in chat via commands)
But hacked clients could still probably autoreport your message instantly as well. It would keep non cheaters from reporting, but hacked clients with autoreport features would still be able to do it
Phoenix, please, we know you're not stupid. There's no way to defend this change, since:
1- One of Java Edition's greatest features is the decentralized moderation, so you can have all kinds of servers, for all kinds of people.
2- Disabling your ability to play on LAN because you broke some rules online (or got false banned) is inexcusable. You paid for the game, they should have absolutely no right to block that.
In a sense, they do have the right. Have you read their ToS?
This was such a controversial comment that people are still screaming the exact same stuff at me a month later.
@@aurele2989 In a moral sense they don't. As for the legal part, i don't know. It might be illegal to do that depending on your country, and ToS is not an excuse to break the law. But then again, i'm no lawyer, so you have to ask one.
They absolutely have all the right to block it, you agreed to that years ago. your license is not ownership of the game, I don't agree with heavy handed moderation but to act like you have some special right is false and ignorant
@@aurele2989 Are you okay with your data being collected 24/7? Because that's what Windows and everything you use does.
But hey, it's in the ToS, so it must be justified, right?
@@syrelian And you will accept that kind of thing? Defend it? If we don't push back on this change, one can only imagine what kind of fucked up, anti-consumer shit companies will be able to get away with in the near future.
i think its as simple as "We don't trust you" towards mojang, and it'll defenetly be abused somehow
Hello mogi u also watch his video
(Make more cheating in build competition videos)
If u don't cheat u r still better than them🤗
me: changes version to 1.19 ;)
Minecraft is like a an open platform / game engine to me.
I don't care about 1.19, I just hope that older versions will remain the same (no Microsoft ban system) because the only versions I care about are 1.8, 1.12 and 1.16
Hello Mogi
@@Corgi_Repairs but everyone on 1.19.1 can still have the ability to report you.
"As long as you're a good person, this wont affect you" because Microsoft is the leading authority on who does or doesn't qualify as a "good person"
I can see them from a mile away.
Bots who join unprotected servers, mass report everyone, and managing to become a major problem for minecraft.
Online hackes using code backdoors to access privete servers/worlds and using system code to archive the chat data.
Things far worse as well.
A minecraft bot crisis engineered by microsoft and mojang.
I can see it coming.
As a server admin and owner, this is absolutely going to be abused. By people on multiple sides. Constantly.
In fact I wouldn't be suprised if a disgruntled player ends up getting server staff banned by misreporting.
Me n the boys banning hypixel staff so we can dupe endlessly
@@vignasimp2835 That is genius, and I feel like it would work.
@@tonig2255 I think Mojang would notice if they were about to ban staff from from a reputable server like Hypixel
And then the misreported players are just completely locked out of multiplayer. Like I know so many players that have private realms/servers with their friends, family, or partners which are really important to them. The idea of them getting falsely banned, even if temporarily feels pretty awful. The moderation system feels both unnecessary and unreliable
Some poeple are talking about devoloping mass reporting bots. I can't wait to see what happenes after 1.19.1 Also I'm not updating beyond 1.19. Simple as that
Banning ALL multiplayer options is like removing the option to play with your friend sitting on the couch next to you because you got banned in Street Fighter or something. They should not be able to stop you using your own private servers.
well, server developers can block all packets or encrypt it to make sure no one got banned, done, ez clap
Yeah, and that comparison is rather literal too since the multiplayer button being completely grayed-out like that means you can even join LAN worlds.
If it’s single player there shouldn’t be a filter or anything, if it’s multiplayer and there’s a server, it’s up to admins, staff, and owner to stop players from being able to do this, or punishing them for doing it, not MOJANG, as it depends on the server what is allowed, for instance if I were to buy and run a server, I am the owner of it, and thus I make the rules, banning on all servers, even private ones is ridiculous and could lead to false reports and people getting banned for things the owners of servers don’t deem bad enough to ban, but Microsoft do, I hope this gets removed 🤞🏻
Just got temp banned on bedrock for literally doing nothing. Opened the game up for the first time in a year and said I was banned for “sexually inappropriate content”. I’ve never used the chat feature and only play with my brothers. Ridiculous
They should send the reports to the server/realm owners instead
@ELEVEN 🅥 shut it bot
Agreed because some owners can be ok with swearing
unless it’s something real serious
Yea
@@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890
for example if something isn't supposed to be allowed on the game at all, like links to malicious or bad websites
but if it's just swearing spamming or yelling, it should be sent as a weekly/every time the server stops chat report to the server admins, probably sent to some file in the server stuff
When it comes to moderation, i would actually trust a bunch of admins on a P2W server more than Microsoft.
I would rather*. I've seen ms moderation before and it looks like a shit show.
@@babywaffles It does not look like a shit show, it IS a shit show.
I think minecraft moderation is slowly becoming roblox moderation
@@earlraivengohetia7878 Waiting for the day when ******** **** ** ******
Yeah
My most favorite version since 2013 is 1.15 or 1.16.5. This is a major turning point on my opinion of playing Minecraft, as I do not want something I PAYED for being out of reach to me just because I wrote in all caps.
(I know its not always perma ban bit still its annoying)
Or worse, accidentally hitting Caps Lock and getting banned for that.
“LETS GOOOOOO GG BTW”
“You have been perm-banned”
“Reason: yelling”
To modify a quote from long ago...
"It is hard to find a moderation system in any popular online game that hasn't been abused by players in some way"
Minecraft has so many players there's no way they can manually review anything. It'll likely just be something automated again
"it's hard to find a moderation system that hasn't been abused in some way"
@@SashaMasonVR and oh boy if the automation screws up...
@@SashaMasonVR That just makes it WORSE. Imagine getting your driver's license revoked because some AI malfunctioned. This is going to screw over so many people, and this is on top of those folks who would be screwed over for not following the popular group-think a.k.a. whichever ideology and identity Microsoft decides to advocate for at any given time, which judging by what's currently trendy for megacorporations, is wokism. They're already doing thought-policing crap like this in real life, now it's seeping in to what was once a fun little refuge from it.
@@EnoEso Oh boy indeed...
The main issue with this report system is it's definitely abusable.
Imagine you're on a private, 18+ minecraft server and someone reports you for talking about alcohol. You're now banned from not only accessing all servers, but your own server that you pay for. What's stopping children from mass reporting people they get in a fight with, or reporting a server moderator who banned them for something they don't agree on? Despite what Mojang says these reports can't be human moderated without lots of work and money that wouldn't be worth it in the long run. And we already know how bad Mojang is with dealing with account issues, let alone false bans.
Also, banning someone for TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS PRETTY ABSURD, DON'T YA THINK?
Imagine getting banned on 2b2t
While watching, I instantly thought that this kind of ban should come with ban reviews/unban request, just as any other big platform (youtube strikes is a great example) and with limited previous temporary bans/timeouts as warnings to then ban if it keeps happening, but reading "we already know how bad Mojang is with dealing with account issues" made me realize this isn't even near their minds.
@@Mostbee You could say it would be the same as it was in New World (Amazons failed MMO) where they would mass report enemy leaders before PVP to get them auto banned
@@trappedsan3932 Yeah, that' exactly why there should be a request to get the ban reviewed by a human person, if there will be instant bans or automatic services to judge the report.
there are also hackers looking to create hacks in order to flood the system with as many reports as physically possible.
1.9 was hated for removing the old combat system.
1.19 was hated for adding a report system.
1.29 is gonna be hated for removing minecraft entirely.
1.39 gonna be hated for adding Super NFT to Minecraft 2.0.
Simple solution: servers can either opt in or out of moderation, the catch being that parents can now enable child mode on which blocks off servers who opt out of moderation.
There's quite a bit of swearing involved especially on servers like pvplegacy and literally anyone can see that can report us, which is bs because it's not bullying or harassment it's plain old banter. And if incase someone really means it the entire chat bullies them until they leave so.
Microsoft / Mojang: We added a reporting system to protect the kids!
Also Microsoft / Mojang: Adds virtual currency, that can only be bought with real money in carefully-calculated set quantities, designed to prey on kids by obfuscating the amount of money they are actually spending on in-game items
hmmm? where have i seen this before? OH YEAH! roblox
@@asogameing8271 roblox itself only has cosmetics and stuff in games is dictated by devs, if theyre money hungry its their problem lol
@@fajdek7032 it is on Roblox's platform though, is it not? Therefore it is Roblox's fault too for allowing it.
@@fajdek7032 Roblox not only allows predatory practices, but fully endorses it. (and does it itself)
It's not 'only cosmetics' as once a developer receives 'robux' (the currency) they can not completely convert it into cash.
Roblox has a 'DevEx' program, allowing certain developers to redeem the currency at a set rate. (50,000 'robux' for 175usd)
The most 'robux' that can be bought at a time is 10,000 for 100usd (and the cost per currency gets higher for the lower 'packages')
That's a profit of 325usd (assuming the 1 currency to 1 cent ratio; But the highest ratio is 1/1.175 for the 1700 currency for 20usd)
325/500usd, is assuming 100% of the currency goes to the developer, but it does not; as if I understand correctly there's a 30% tax.
That means 425/500usd remains in roblox's hands.
The tax means it would require about 65,000 currency (again assuming 100% goes to a developer and not roblox itself) to be- purchased for someone to redeem 175 dollars.
There's a whole lot more shady practices which is used to restrict 'robux' actually getting to a developer. As an example;
The minimum DevEx redemption is 50,000 'robux', which cuts off alot of developers from actually being able to redeem for cash.
'robux' is not a real currency, and does not behave like a true currency.
100% of all 'robux' purchases goes directly to roblox itself, only a very small amount is actually paid to it's developers.
I don't understand why people ever use 'bad apple' arguments to defend something
(while looking at some replies to some of my comments, I recently noticed that the person I replied to removed their original comment. an extension saved the comment I replied to, so for the sake of better clarity I will post it below. Underneath their original comment is my original reply to it.)
""Whilst I do hate the Roblox Corporation a lot of what you said are pretty ehh.
It is only cosmetics unless you're on pay to win games which in that case that's a you problem.
The DevEx program is a good thing.
It allowed many developers to make millions and overall increased the quality of most games while a lot more cashgrabs were made.
While it does suck that developers only get 1/5 of the money you have to realize that Roblox is pretty difficult to run and does have very high server costs.
They also have staff to pay. They even write where the money goes to on the developer forums.
The 50,000 robux minimum is there for a reason. Developers have to submit tax information that must be kept up to date at all times. Must be 13+ and have a guardian if not 18+. And a lot more. If everyone and their dog can DevEx because their friend bought something from their game it would be a mess. If you made a high quality game with a decent sized community then earning 50,000 robux would not be an issue.
Use the platform and understand it before you make a comment on how it works.
Roblox has way more serious issues that aren't being talked about yet people are talking about nonissues like these""
@@efwfewewf4649 Just because roblox refuses to address pedophilia on the site, does not mean these issues should be ignored.
allowing a company doing a multitude of issues to get away with one of their many issues because 'there's bigger issues' is dumb at best, and malicious at worst.
I have used the site before, and played some of the most popular games; many of which are social games and do not have any form of pay-to-win, it actually took me awhile to find a game that was a competitive game that had genuine pay-to-win.
They all have predatory practices.
You're using the exact same argument as the person before 'It's just some money hungry bad apples!' It's not, it never is.
I'm quite glad you brought up cosmetics, the children on that site become awful elitist cut-throat little capitalists; all because of some digital assets & a literal stock market.
Kids are bullied when they do not buy the digital currency and get some of the cosmetics, and are praised for buying stock-based cosmetics (so called 'limited' hats).
While the pedophilia on the site is awful, and heart gutting to hear about; the cosmetic & currency side of the site are much worse in terms of the amount of children affected.
Oh, and the 'way more serious issues' are talked about alot more than the currency side of things.
It's very easy to find many news articles describing the almost systemic levels of child grooming and pedophilia, while the silencing of critics, and it's predatory practices to get kids addicted to buying currency are much less common to be talked about.
For a supposed critic of roblox, you sure do alot of defending it.
And most of my original comment was factual statements about the profit roblox makes in comparison to the costs of DevEx
"Do good" is a far scarier phrase than "don't be evil "
Much evil has been done in history by people thinking they were "doing good."
Like Napoleon, Hitler, Putin, etc.
all religions and governments
@@demonking3673 and Stalin
Mao
@@demonking3673 What did Napoleon do?
"as long as you're a good person, this won't affect you"
My account was hacked in the past and I was banned from a major community server. Not a big deal since I only play on private servers/realms but now bad actors can get you banned from all of minecraft and force you to buy a new account to continue playing with friends
"as long as you're a good person, this won't affect you"
One issue with that, companies only think you're a good person if you're bankrupting yourself giving them your money. Anything outside of that line instantly puts you on their hit list.
My only issue is that now Mojang (and by extension Microsoft) gets to unilaterally decide what a "good person" is and I've lost my faith in a corporation to decide that.
Just wait till you ask the Roblox community how our moderation is doing, or me, because I can.
Let me tell you, you will feel lucky you're dealing with Microsoft.
@@cutestcreeper569 How bad is it?
@@spaghettiking653 You can get banned for saying "hi" when reported. The moderation team is just bots. Support team doesn't do much either if you don't file a complaint in time, after you do get unbanned you're just stuck with a punishment record for around a month which is harmful for any Roblox creators who make real income because of guidelines saying so.
That sort of dumb really.
You mean the company that brought you Windows 10 creators update wants us to trust them with moderating the largest game in the world?
@@spaghettiking653 I got banned for a week I think for trying to tell other people to vote kick someone bc they were making swastikas all over the server and I had to bypass the censorship in the game to explain why I tried to vote kick them. Im not doing it ever again and I dont think they even got banned -_-
Mojang is way out of line here. It is absolutely none of their business how individual servers decide to moderate their chat or what they consider appropriate behavior. Not happy about this at all.
Microsoft*?
Microsoft*
Mojang actually cares about their players
But even since Microsoft bought it they’ve been fucking up the game
basically mojang:”lets add a shitty report system and do basically nothing to P2W servers!”
same
true
The only way to fix this is to revolt by allowing cracked players to join more and more servers. This will have the effect of making it so that even if you do get banned you can just sign them with a new user name, as well as decreasing the amount of money Microsoft makes off people buying this game, since you don't need to buy the game to be a cracked player
Minecraft should NEVER ban people from all servers. The server administration decide the rules and the actions taken. Servers like 2b2t (although 2b is not on the latest version) will be heavily affected
I love how they are going to ban innocent players for getting falsely reported but refuse to blacklist servers that blatantly violate their EULA. How consistent.
imagine follow eula
Owo is 100% a ptw admin or something of server
fr, like you fuck around on one server, and you get banned from all?
@@gorillaglue2560 yup , at least it's only in 1.19
@@mohamedbenrokhrokh2293 i bet that if it gets implemented it the ban will span across all versions, since it will probably ban you from joining a server if you try to authenticate using your account.
I've moderated for a decently sized network in the past, and man I absolutely hate this. Leave moderation to the servers please. We don't want, or need Mojang to step in and do moderation for us. If a server is privately owned, there's no way that Mojang should be able to punish someone for what they say on that server and ban them from playing on any privately owned server. What if someone says something on a server like 2b2t and they get reported for it? The community for 2b2t agrees as a whole that there are no rules, but now Mojang can just jump in and enforce their own rules anyway and ban someone from ALL servers?
If it was something for like just realms I would be more fine with it, but these are privately owned servers, Mojang should have no control over the moderation of them. If a server is breaking the EULA, that's one thing and they should be able to blacklist it. But banning individual players? That's stepping way out of line.
EDIT: Yes, I understand that it's Microsoft making these changes. I should be saying Microsoft, but said Mojang since they're the ones implementing it.
2b2t players when they can't spam the n word anymore
I dont see the problem, when you buy the game you accept the condition and rules mojang use. Its the same as any other app you use everyday, word, tiwitter, valorant, etc. If you disagree with mojang, just give the feedback to mojang (worst case escenario just play the game download from a third party)
Edit: i forgott something, we didint see anything yet, so there is no reason to say no to this until we can use it
I imagine Mojang will get overwhelmed by the amount of reports coming in from 2b2t and that would be hilarious
@@NA-uz7co And what do you have to say to the people who bought the game before this rule was implemented?
@@NA-uz7co I’m sorry, but that’s BS. I’ve had the game for 8 years now. I never expected to have to be wary of my chat messages in private servers. Microsoft is absolutely overreaching. When I host a private server, I have the expectation that it’s private. This change breaks that privacy.
Wouldn’t be surprised if a report block feature gets added to hack clients or even forge. This is possible in many games, gta V for example. I have faith in the community that there will be some kind of resistance against this
"Looking for feedback"
When they asked if players want this in java everybody hated it and said no
But no Microsoft won't listen to us and ignored the community and said they'll add it in
There needs to be an opt-in option for each individual server configuration. Otherwise, players could end up getting banned from their own private servers. This feels like a feature that was heavily pushed by Microsoft....
I'm playing Minecraft Java on Linux. My private server is Ubuntu. I never agreed to the Microsoft migration Mojang enforced but I guess there was no way around it. I'm doing my best to stay away from Micro$hit as far as possible and yet here they are shoving their dicks in my business once again.
It was pushed on to mojank by microsoft obviously
@@butterfly-fy3wz mojank lol
@@kireal2 yea
That what everyone in the technical minecraft community calls them
Which is probably the only reason why they forced the Microsoft account transfer.
I hope you guys are ready for the new moderation! I know this is regarding Java, but I was just recently banned from it for 3 days for "profanity." When I sent in my appeal, they told me that it was for using the word "f*ck" and that even if it was not directed at someone, it was still unacceptable. The wild thing is that this was on a realm with literally 5 ADULTS.
Good luck and be careful for what comes next!
Hoooly shit considering I tell people on hypixel shit like “I have your family hostage you fucking bowspammer piece of shit” or “I am in your house” or “die in a fire” I’m totally going to get banned for life
yes.
Microsoft is trying REALLY hard to make the game stay rated E, I guess
If I get banned from hypixel idk what I'm gonna do but it's gonna be bad
swearing shouldn’t be prohibited. It is part of life, you can’t just remove it from the dictionary…
"If you don't have anything to hide, then you shouldn't care if the government watches what you do"
Same energy. It doesn't matter which way you decide to slice this issue, Literally any kind of censorship, or moderation from a corporation will ALWAYS negatively affect EVERYONE.
The issue is NOT the guidelines the issue is their attempt to monitor and dish out punishments on public servers that they DO NOT OWN and should have no say over. If I’m paying $500 a month to host hypixel do you think I want Mojang’s chat monitors deciding who to ban from not just my server but all servers based on their activity? It’s absurd to think they should be allowed to just rule over the entirety of multiplayer especially if different servers have different rules. Shitty idea that should not be implemented
We need to make our voices clear to Microsoft and Mojang. 1.19 was a meh update, but it was still adding to the game (even if half-heartedly). THIS update is definintely reeking of corporative meddling where there shouldn't be. This is something we can't let them get away with at any cost, otherwise this change will be for the worse.
seize the means of development
Good thing I uninstalled Minecraft a while ago, got stale after playing for 8 years and this video that I found randomly from my recommendations made my actions less regretable.
(Also, it's just the case for me and you're allowed to do whatever you want and I won't judge unless it's illegal to do)
@@JenyaFio i still play on 1.8, no reporting, lolz
I guess we just don't update our games. 1.18 and earlier versions are good enough.
Its obviously backed by microsoft so yea I doubt it
The other thing to consider is that someone is going to find a way around this. With how open to modding Java Edition is, I really have a hard time believing that someone isn't going to find a way to circumvent being banned from Mojang.
Edit: I understand the session ID thing, but here's my theory of how this could be circumvented:
A server-side mod gets created that disregards the need for a valid session ID from Microsoft, and instead creates a sort of pseudo-session ID unique to that server. That way, you can maintain most of the critical utility of a session ID. If done correctly, it protects players from being banned falsely while also giving server owners more flexibility with how they run their moderation process.
Not saying this doesn't have it's obvious flaws either, but it's more about the concept. They can't just delete the client code from your computer because that's integral to singleplayer as well, and as long as that stays true I guarantee you that there WILL be a way to play multiplayer, even when banned.
@@A68AGaming they'll just buy cracked alt accounts.
It already has. Look up the “No Chat Reports” mod.
Oh, yeah, and plus, Roblox has a big moderation issue where someone can use bots to falsely spam report someone, and get them banned when they ultimately did nothing. Who says that can't happen with minecraft now? We're about to enter a dark age.
From what I've seen - if you're banned, mojang won't authenticate your account to the server. The server will then have no way to know if you're actually the owner of the account, so it won't let you connect. If you're banned, you can't bypass it (the mod that @Apollo mentioned tries to prevent being banned in the first place)
@@enhidri160 I agree plus you are everywhere
"No writing in caps"
There goes 50% of the playerbase
As a liberal, i was banned from a political discussion board. I was told "it doesn't matter that what you are saying is true. It's upsetting people."
The people banning me were *liberal* not conservative. I remain liberal and remain pro-free speech. It shouldn't be up to Microsoft and Minecraft what people do on their own servers.
Especially in a system where you can't type "Pakistan, Japan, Nightmare, Assassin..." etc.
I think this one is a problem for both liberals and conservatives to be honest. Because I'm seeing prettt much the exact same complaints from just about everywhere on the political spectrum. So hey good job Microsoft, you made everyone agree on something. Haven't seen that happen since that disaster of a movie "cuties" (if you haven't heard of it, i wouldn't advise looking into it, its basically a movie that claims to be a message against specialising children... while actively sexualizing children)
To be clear I'm not saying the two problems are equal, ones paedophilia, ones unfair censorship in a game. The point I'm making is how rare it is for the entire political spectrum to be relatively united behind an issue that THAT is what it usually takes to do it. And this issue seems to be doing the same.
this is gonna absolutely destroy some of the most historic minecraft communities including but not limited to anarchy servers.
Such as "2b2t, the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft"
Guess what
There's a ton of amazing mod creators out there who would create plugins to bypass this pathetic B's from Microsoft the crybies who wanna censor everything
@@TheOmnivampire hell yea, screw Microsoft
@@TheOmnivampire damn, thats really nice. Tons of respect to these developerts.
@@ricplays5905 eventually Microsoft is going to suffer backlash from the mod community just wait for Karma
Phoenix this is such a hard miss. The point isn’t that if you’re good you’re okay, it’s that it’s your server your rules. Just because Minecraft is an E rated game doesn’t mean adults and older teens can’t play and swear in the games. The whole idea of being prevented from playing with friends cause you said shit in a private server screams dystopia. Microsoft has no right to interfere with what we do or say in private sessions.
E is for Everyone, that's there to say, "Hey, you could be turning to dust in your deathbed, 80 and grey hair, but you can still play this, or you could even be barely out of diapers, it's for everyone"
This system completely spits in the face of that, it's not for everyone if you shove the "family friendly" initiative down players' throats. Me personally, I absolutely hate the initiative, it's up to the parents/ guardians to keep an eye on their children, not dumb down shit and ruin the fun of all us older fans by implementing bullshit parameters. First it was RUclips getting slammed with this shit rather than pushing it to the dedicated, RUclips Kids, but no, fuck the content creator.
Microsoft is shit, and they can only get away with stuff cause of their near monopoly on the computer industry. Hhhhhhhhhh
Exactly. I say get as many players together as possible and file a class action.
Correct. Now add in Win11 to the mix. We are edging towards owning nothing and being happy.
@@GradientAscent_ Why Win 11 what did they do this time?
@@trappedsan3932 you can't setup windows 11 without a Microsoft account
“HEY MAN HOW U DOIN”
“oops caps”
“im reporting you yelling is wrong”
"As long as you're a good person and you respect these guidelines, this won't affect you"
"As long as you're a good person and you don't go against the government, you won't get thrown in a labor camp"
0:52
"finally 1000662360.742466 years have passed now i can get up from my grave and play bedwars"
**gets insta banned again 0.2 seconds after joining the game for ban evading**
*gets ip banned for blowing up someone’s bed*
891073319.6465753*
yay i waited 1 billion years to play minecraft
I absolutely despise how Mojang (and almost certainly Micro$oft) have desperately tried to make Minecraft into a kids game and turn it into a classic corporate juggernaut. I mean sure, children are far more easily exploitable for profit by big corporations, but Minecraft has always had a more mature aspect to it. The whole point was it was a sandbox, you could do whatever the heck you wanted, you made your own fun. Servers could moderate as they pleased, players could do whatever, the only requirement for new features was how well they fit the game. Its very sad to watch this sort of decay. The stupid "KidS MiGHt HurT AniMaLs sO wE cAN't AdD ThiS" has already caused fun new mechanics to get scrapped. C418 no longer makes Minecraft music since he stands up for himself and refuses to hand all the music rights to Micro$oft. Not to mention some other unsavory actions recently done by Mojang which Antvenom brought up in a recent video. Oh, and apparently snooper settings were secretly added back in in 1.18 (without an option to disable them, of course). Such a shame watching a childhood game become a corporatized mess, but I'm at least thankful for the memories from the good days.
Well said, and I exactly agree with your points. At first, it looked like they bought the game so it could have a bigger dev team to get better features, but it's very clear now that it was all to take advantage of the popularity and make a profit. I already realized the true intentions when I looked at them adding minecoins and the marketplace. Then them switching our accounts over to Micro$oft for "better safety features" (forced us to agree to a set of rules that means they are able to get away with this banning system). Look at Roblox: it's a kids game, with robux (minecoins) and heavy moderation and even chat filtering (hashtags, but on Minecraft it seems to be straight to a ban if you use caps or swears). Roblox is geared towards kids, and Minecraft is heading in that direction. I believe this video is getting more and more relevant: ruclips.net/video/rgd44wSk6nQ/видео.html
Embrace Extend Extinguish machine go brrrrrrr
Honestly, its hard to see minecraft living much longer, 10 years? Sure, but as long as they want it to, not at this rate.
People above 18 host the majority of servers medium to small, and even if the large servers have teams and companies behind them (Hypixel and Mod Networks), hypixel is already making there own game, and most of Modded minecraft is only played by adults or late teens now.
With the modpack scene slowly dying every day, and hypixel making there own game, leaving only behind subpar minecraft networks, and the other middle sized servers being ran by individuals who probably would only keep the servers up to profit, not to actually enjoy the game at that point.
It would litteraly lead to an extinction of community hosted content, where a new Hypixel and others like it would have to be established by microsoft, and it would just be a bunch of kids fighting and yelling at one another.
They would turn minecraft from a game into a kindergarten.
Funny that you censor Microsoft given the topic you disagree with.
@@silverstar8868 replacing the s with $ isn't censorship, it's commentary on how soullessly profit-motivated an organization is.
the fact that it doesn’t only ban you from server like hypixel but also ban you from playing with your friends is just terrible. Screw Microsoft
Personally, I feel that this takes a lot away from the Communal feeling I get when playing Minecraft. It was always an internal thing that could be dealt with through casual things like admins or fighting. Now essentially the entire game is going to be a bore
more like... bore ragnarok?
Agreed, Mojang have gone too far this time.
@@thevideoman12 rore bagnorak
@@MasterBroNetwork yeah, it’s just a really bad idea. Especially the fact that multiplayer servers aren’t theirs.
Best I could think of is making a way to ban certain multiplayer servers for being pay to win, toxic without being made for it(so a kids server but fuck is said all the time), or straight up illegal like admin abuse to control and molest children.
But it would have to be with a lot of investigation personally and a great team of investigators.
From communal game to communal toilet
I _maybe_ understand the value of a cross-server ban (especially on the special mojang-approved servers), but the fact that it disables multiplayer _outright_ ? That means that you can't even play over lan or on a small private server with your friends. Not to mention, people can grow a lot over just one or two years (especially children, who make up a lot of the playerbase), so the lifetime ban seems really excessive.
I know, it's just stupid to the next level.
Yea. The lifetime bans should only be given to actual bad people like pedos and ddos attackers. Not even hackers deserve lifetime bans unless they pose a major threat.
What happens if you spam in a bed for example? You get disconnected for spam and taken to the server list. Can you bypass?
@@ran631 I don't think it will you connect to any server, because I'm pretty sure mojang is aware of modded clients
@@h3xad3cimaldev61 yeah but you never know with them, mojang had made some of the stupidest mistakes ever
This is attrocious. This will be weaponized. This is the beginning of the end of Minecraft, this is how online games die
This is awful. Me and my mate have a realm us two play, and we wrote down on a sign some unholy things messing around and got banned on our own server. We didnt even report each other
Not only this is pointless, but I'm sure it's exploitable as shit.
Imagine the upcoming mobsters that will mass report you unless you do something for them. Fuck this shit, let us police ourselves like we have been doing since 2009.
Not to mention bots mass reporting random people
RUclipsrs who play Minecraft for a living will get report-spammed by people and they won’t be able to eat
@@landlighterfirestar5550 personally i don't care about streamers or youtubers, and I think that's a non issue, considering that most of them have at least 4 accounts.
@@midorifox Any account that a streamer or youtuber uses is at risk of being banned, it will just take a while longer for them to run out of usable accounts.
@@landlighterfirestar5550 Stop trying to make me like this development.
I don't care if I'm a "usually good person and so should have nothing to fear". The fact that you can be banned from realms, a service that you _pay_ for and is *private*, really disgusts me. Microsoft shouldn't have that kind of power in the first place. We would all like to think the moderation will be fair and thorough but let's be real, there will be people that get unjustly banned whether from spam reports or just bad moderating. And those people won't be able to access those features that they rightfully paid for. I think it's best to keep the moderation power to the individual servers themselves.
"you pay for" you never needed to pay for it, and now you really shouldn't.
@@QuackUp would it not make more sense to filter cursing instead Or maybe just a chat ban? Rather than completely removing an aspect from the game
Also this would be bad for Anarchy servers
@@QuackUp then they should add a chat filter for kids, but not this, this is just wrong.
@@QuackUp First off, banning those people is up to the server moderators and NOBODY ELSE. Microsoft shouldn't be poking into somebody elses business, its the moderators job to ban people who do that. Second, If those people say horrible things on servers that allow it then they shouldn't be able to be banned for it, plain and simple. People will always cuss other people out, busted report system or not. Or worse, they can use it against you to get you banned from the server by spam-reporting you or otherwise. They say that reports will be looked at by people, but there's no realistic way they could manually review every single report. They WILL implement a bot that reviews the reports, and bots are almost never fair.
i have a solution. make a hacked client that automatically reports EVERY user it comes across in servers. put it in servers with MASSIVE populations. if EVERYONE is banned, nobody will be able to play the game. nobody playing the game means mojang will have a big problem on their hands, and will be forced to remove the report and ban feature.
It’s fine, I warned y’all this was going to break Minecraft, so I banned myself by uninstalling.
i'm surprised no one has tried to class action sue them over this considering that when mojang made people merge their mojang accounts with microsoft accounts,
they did officially state that nothing was going to change in order to get people to merge.
that would classify what they are doing deceptive practices in order to manipulate and trick their customers,
though it's microsoft they aren't impervious to the law and this does hold legal grounds.
Its Microsoft. A billion dollar company.
Also, you did have to agree to the Microsoft TOS... so technically Microsoft can at the very least tie everything up.
my middle class ass aint winning a court case against a multi billion dollar company
their lawyers are scary
and they can easily say that the migration happening isn't substantial enough proof that anything deceptive or manipulative was happening
@@NovaBoi7 Pretty sure Microsoft is a trillion dollar company lol
@goated this is legal statement, go cry for attention somewhere else.
I remember a while ago when I joined a big public server for the first time, I was apparently already banned because someone had gotten into my account and did whatever they did to get themselves banned. Imagine getting your account compromised and waking up one day to find all of your multiplayer features gone with no notification or reasoning. No private servers, no realms, no self hosted servers, no LAN, all because someone decided to wreak havoc with your account on a massive public server. The actions of a player in one single public server should not disallow them from accessing multiplayer altogether, that's just way too much overkill and way overstepping boundaries.
This is gonna be a nightmare
This is what VAC (Valve Anticheat) ban does. It locks your out of multiplayer games on Steam altogether. Permanently.
@@CZghost the difference being that VAC ban won't completely ban you from multiplayer, but only from VAC servers and not because some random kid just reported you for swearing.
Luckily for certain servers (like hypixel) you can enter it on an earlier version, which should allow you to avoid the 1.19 bans (I think, not really sure how it would work).
I support the idea of a "universal ban system," but realm and especially server owners should be able to opt out
2:15 "as long as you're a good person, this won't affect you"
yeah, i heard a rumor about hacked clients getting a report spam feature built in from another video, imagine all of hypixel users at the same time banned/reported in one day. Scary stuff.
Also how does this system work, guilty until proven innocent or innocent until proven guilty?
Also the fact that multiplayer is greyed out would mean that you cant even play locally with your little brother
“Mojang only steps in, if the moderators aren’t doing their job”
One their own servers that Microsoft doesn’t own
365,241,761,671 days = 1,000,662,361 years = literally 1/13 of the length the universe has existed for.
Good luck ever playing multiplayer
This guy doing this math and here i am thinking 9+10=21
@@thaobsidiansword3232 lmao
@@thaobsidiansword3232 the right way
It's a billion years exactly, you're forgetting leap years.
@@thaobsidiansword3232 he kinda just divided 3 numbers, lol
server admins already did this, some rules are different for different servers. Some servers are for more grown up people so swearing is allowed. Microsoft just wants maximum control over its player base. I’m worried because i play anarchy servers where you can talk shit and say what you want and it ruins some of the fun having free speech because as far as i know no kids even want to play these servers because of the complexity, grinding and it gets boring. They could have a filter in the settings if you don’t want to see it, i think it’s just stupid and some of the rules can be abused and you could break them without knowing
What's going on with huge companies buying the most famous and beloved franchises of the world and then murdering them in cold blood
Simple solution: Make this be an "opt out" setting whenever you create a server. If you're a kid who just wants to have some innocent fun, you can be protected from malicious actors by an extra layer of moderation on "safe" servers. If you're a hardcore 2b2t player, you can be left alone to do whatever shenanigans you want. By not even making it a choice for their players, Microsoft is completely overstepping their boundaries, and will only cause more problems for their community.
This is what I was going to say
No, make it an OPT IN setting. If I'm paying for my own server I should start out with absolute control over who gets on my server
@@akayysworld I can understand this, but if you are a server admin, it's probably just going to be changing a single line in your servers files. Opt out and opt in, are in this case, practically Identical. Either way, what matters more than what the default setting is, is that we get the choice at all.
can turn off secure profiles in server settings
This is still problematic because it blocks you from multiplayer completely. Get banned from a public server? Tough luck, no more multiplayer, say goodbye to what you probably spent $35 on!
moderation should be left up to each individual server owner to manage, this feature isn't needed on big servers because big servers should and do have developers that make sure there are word filters or report system as well as actual staff, and small servers shouldn't have any issues with banning a few people
And if you own the server you should be allowed to do what you want on it
Even though I love uncensored chats WAY more than censored ones (entertaining + free speech), this problem has BEEN solved like you said by developers creating strong word filters.
Also, I believe public accommodations on private land or servers, even when owned by a private company, are still subject to public constitutional protections of our god given rights. Does anybody know if this is has legal precedent? Because I believe the restrictions go FURTHER than government protected rights, thus violating our rights post purchase of the account. How can they ban me from others servers if the violation was on another one.
More so, why doesn't hacking on public servers result in a ban but, swearing on my private server with nobody there can? Literally trying to control my freedom of speech by censoring me outside of their jurisdiction.
"Each server is self-moderated and at the discretion of the server owner. If you were banned or suspended from a privately-owned server on Minecraft please reach out to the Administrator of the server to appeal your ban. We do not intervene in private servers aside from overt violations of the Minecraft EULA and our Terms of Service.
Be like Steve and change the world for the better by getting along with others."
- Mojang
0:39 Ah sweet I can’t wait to be unbanned in literally 10 BILLION YEARS
if new system works almost every anarchy server(2b2t especially) will basically die because those servers have no rules whatsoever and if you know the chat in those servers, you know why
I never got the impression that Minecraft servers will just filled with horrible people and it's very easy for serve admins to deal with problem players without getting Mojang involved. This is a whole new level of surveillance and control over the actions of players and everyone is vulnerable to wrongful bans.
I think I’m going to take a break from multiplayer Minecraft and only play on single player worlds until they remove/change this stupid update, I might occasionally play Hypixel but I’m not going to type anything in chat, I think this is the best approach to keeping your account at the moment
This is concerning to all of us
Tell me how many people bought Minecraft for multiplayer only
Exactly
Aye
Nobody, especially the content creators, should let this pass. If there has to be something similar to #SaveTf2 to prevent this, then let it happen. Protest with your dollar. Minecraft can't become the new roblox. We don't need a "stupid minecraft bans" compilation.
Thats me i dont play singleplayer.
@@testgamer571 sadly yes. old games we all loved are now slowly falling because of bad decisions and/or greed. tf2 is a really good example of valve milking the fuck out of csgo (ew) and tf2. yet not giving a shit about tf2 cause its less popular and only continues to push out new hats and cases but not do shit about bots. game dev companies need to realize what the fuck theyre doing and get back on track on actually being good and not shit like ea
I'm calling it right here right now: if they go forward with this, a lot of minecraft youtubers are going to get banned and get pissed.
could make alts but its still annoying af
I don’t see a lot of Minecraft RUclipsrs breaking community guidelines 24/7 which would get them banned. People will definitely try though that’s for sure
@@greyliances ur putting a bit too much faith in companies that dont care lmao
@@greyliances people that see them on a public server may report them just to be troll.
i think they will make a list of name that can't be ban like this to avoid this but maybe i am wrong and they will ban big youtubers and remove their ban/remove this feature
The caps lock thing is ridiculous, tab for the inventory and shift to crouch means a lot of time I accidently turn the caps lock on/off all the time! Which means I ACCIDENTLY TYPE IN CAPS A LOT! Surly they should change it to the content of the message to get you banned not that you had it in all capitals.
"Your account has been temporarily been suspended for 179,542,657 years."
There's a few outcomes of this :
They either ditch this idea completely ( best outcome )
They leave it as it is and you get banned for speaking in caps and bc some 13yr old is bored and decides to spam report you
OR
It becomes an absolutely useless feature , just like in roblox where if you report a hacker you usually wait between a week and yes to get them banned for 24h or give them a warning .
Or like me you get banned for 24h because you were defending yourself from someone who insulted you. Yes you read that correctly.
Yeah that last one sounds like my entire family and most of the court system I've been involved with...
Hopefully the public backlash they get from this makes them remove it, otherwise time to turn to the high seas with cracked servers
@@karlmarxii1898 just reading the comments of what happened to people makes me dislike this update
I got banned for 3 days for calling a friend gay on my own private realm
got a warning for saying "gg" in roblox
My main concern isnt the banning of your account to specific servers, but to multiplayer in general. If you make a mistake on a big server you can be banned from separate smaller servers and even private ones with trusted friends.
Or worse, your own server you use by yourself
@@-FutureTaken- oof
Exactly. This is extremely unfair. Mojang is shooting themselves in the foot with this. Being banned from a single server for breaking the rules there, that's fair. But being banned from all multiplayer because of something you did on one server, that's draconian.
If you get banned can you just go into an older version of MineCraft and still play multiplayer or does the ban affect all versions?
I’ve been playing Minecraft since it was web-only in 2009 and I don’t even really know what realms is lmao
They are clearly not doing well with it
I feel like they’re spreading themselves thin. It’s supposed to be a single player infinite open world sandbox, but they’re diverting a lot of manpower away from the base game and into all these peripherals. They weren’t even able to get fireflies to work, and yet they managed to build a censorship focused spy network.
Minecraft has been a terrible influence on Mojang.
Phoenix has exposed too many gameplay features, Mojang had to stop him.
Facts
@@gestalt7529 Fax no printer
Facts no fraud
That's why he's been banned for 365241761671 days lol
Facts no sweet home alabama
one of the things I loved about Minecraft up until now was decentralized moderation. Microsoft should not have a say about what can and cannot be said. Moderation should be handled by the people who moderate the servers.
right? realms i get, but private servers that mojang dont run they should stay out of trying to moderate.
At this point I’m just going to be disabling chat
"you have been banned for disabling chat"
"Time remaining: 1998612761537151276 years"
"Your account is temporarily suspended and will be reactivated in 365241761671 day(s)" The fact that there's no comma in that number, means that it's not 365 days, 24 hours, 17 minutes, etc. etc. No, it's a flat out lifetime ban, as that number, divided with the 365 days in a year, gives a ban lasting for over 1000 years. That's not a temp ban, that's permanent.
Edit: I'm a Dane and thus a European. As another commenter pointed out, Mojang promised players that "nothing would change" upon merging, so if anyone in Europe are banned as a result of this change, know that you can haul Microsoft and Mojangs asses directly to the ECJ (European Court of Justice) for false marketing and the ECJ would probably also quickly find that this breaks with GDPA and the right to own the product that you pay for.
This update is insane, and not in the good way. Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but let's count the major features this update adds:
- there is 1 new biome which is basically just a reskin of the biome we already had but with different trees.
- there are 2 new mobs (3 if you count the tadpole as separate from the frogs, and 4 if you also count chest boats as mobs).
- there finally are most of the features we were promised 1 year ago, which (from what I know) were apparently close to being finished when 1.18 released (ancient cities, deep dark, the warden and skulk) and were only delayed so they could be improved.
- and finally there is a complex ban system which can lock you out of multiplayer of any kind, and which (looking at how mojang moderated the multiplayer community in the past) is sure to be abused. It also literally attempts to fix something that wasn't even an issue to begin with, as (from what I know) no one really complained about not having enough moderation features.
From what I can see here (and I beg you to prove me wrong on this), the ban system is the only major feature in this whole update adds which was not promised to us in earlier updates, and since it can completely ruin the game for people who only play on multiplayer, this effectively means that this update added a negative amount of features. Even if this system will be used for actual moderation, there is still a large chance of you getting false banned, and now that bans will be handled from a single place, its possible for a bug to lock people out of multiplayer without them doing anything.
Luckily for us, there will definitely be a fully automated system for appealing, which will almost certainly just redirect you to a message saying that your appeal has been denied.
At the very least 1.9 added new things to the game (like end cities and elytra), and some people actually enjoy the new combat system. This pretty much means that 1.19 is the worst minecraft update mojang has released to date.
is not everyone play multiplayer?
1.17 and 1.18 is already bs enough
1.9 was such a great update, idk why you said its comparable to 1.19
Another important thing that wasn't mentioned by anyone so far, is that depending on how this ban system will be implemented, mojang could easily prevent you from doing multiplayer on ANY version of the game, as most minecraft servers require mojang authentication. Implementing this for all versions could literally be as easy as adding 3 lines of code.
The mojang provided servers do have an option to disable authentication, but it allows anyone to join the server as any user, and also disables skins.
The curse of the 1.x9 version
Phoenix, "As long as you're a good person" rules are genuinely a slippery slope. Cause everyone has a different standard of being a good person. Most people would draw the line at like, saying slurs at people. Or preying on kids. Sure. But someone else might draw the line at swearing. Or at women speaking when they're not spoken to. Or "being a good person" to someone might mean "you have to be religious" or "you can't be gay". This kind of stuff can fall apart really, really quickly. And if Mojang ever comes under new management or the moderators have different standards of what a good person is, you can see how this will hurt people.
Its the constant battle of "well they can take away the bad people cause they're bad" but it always inches closer, and where is the line drawn? Not to mention if they set up an algorithm for this. We should genuinely fight this tooth and nail. This is Not something corporate needs to handle. This is something that needs to be handled on a server level
Exactly. One authority should NEVER define the exact meaning of right and wrong, it has never gone well before and it certainly doesn't seem like it will now. The only time this works is when it is fairly relaxed and a big majority agree on it, and even then other cultural backgrounds often disagree.
Hell, here's a fun definition of good: You support all the decisions of the Supreme Court of the USA.
You believe that people should have bodily autonomy and that states shouldn't be able to prevent you from exercising that (Roe v Wade)? Banned.
You believe that states should be able to decide what you can carry on your body (NYSRPA v Bruen)? Banned.
You don't support gay marriage (Obergefell v Hodges)? Banned.
Think the government shouldn't be able to seize and destroy your property for their own profit (Gonzalez v Raich)? Banned.
Only an extremely small portion of the population would be good, and they're incredibly inconsistent.
The worst part is when the line is,like for so many people, a person I disagree with.
Extremely well said!
Can't wait to see people banned for wrongthink on funny block game amirite