Actually this would have been how these movies appeared in theaters back in the day. They were all really grainy. Since the 4K77, 80, and 83 projects were sourced from 35mm prints that were still in good condition, they are the most accurate representation of how these movies looked in theaters. Harmy’s Despecialized editions were made up of multiple sources including the official DVD and Blu Ray releases. Both of those were heavily cleaned up by the studio. That’s why they appear so much clearer. The point of 4K77, 80 and 83 are to bring the trilogy as close as possible to their original theatrical state, not to restore them to modern 4K standards. Harmy’s Despecialized is supposed to be an approximation of what an official restoration of the theatrical versions would be like. That’s why they look more polished than the 4K projects.
But what's the point of having advanced formats just to want something as it looked in theaters. I don't get it. You might as well throw the VHS tape back in then IMO. You can cleanup & restore a movie and still have that filmic look to it. Take classics like Jaws, Alien and The Thing...they look phenomenal on 4K! I just don't get the mentality of producing a 4K disc that looks like VHS. If you are into 4K, you want a quality picture. I just think they took a step backwards with this. But that's just me. If others like it, so be it. Not my cup of tea. This is not what I was expecting. i wanted to warn people out there that might have the Harmy versions and think this is an upgrade when it's not. Thanks for the comment. I appreciate hearing other people's views. I know my opinions vary greatly from others. LOL
@@screamingeekmedia Yeah, I get that. These were made for a more niche audience of Star Wars fans who wanted to be able to experience the unreleased theatrical cuts in the most authentic way possible in the best resolution. It wasn’t meant to be a complete remaster, it was meant to be the way they looked at release. They are basically two different ways of trying to preserve the theatrical cuts in high resolution but in different ways. Harmy’s Despecialized is a polished, modern reconstruction. 4K77, 80 and 83 are the best possible way to view the theatrical cuts in their original presentation. If you’re looking for a version that depicts what an official restoration would be like, Harmy’s versions are for you. The 4K projects were made with a slightly different goal in mind. There is a DNR version of the 4K projects, so if the grain really bothers you that much, you can try looking for those. It doesn’t look like the producer of the 4K Blu Ray sets used those versions. I’m not sure if you’d like them better or not, but they might be more up your alley.
@@TheOldScrapIron Thanks! I will stick with my Harmy BDs. I know grain is important for the filmic look to get that depth and details. But too much is not my cup of tea. I like a polished look while retaining some grain. It is fine line to balance to keep true purists happy and middle-of-the-road purists (like myself) happy. LOL. A great example of that line being crossed is James Cameron. Guess we all need to get out of our moms basements. LOL
You can get DNR versions of Project1977 and 1980 if you look through the forum. Not sure if there is a DNR of 1980 yet. But the other two greatly reduce the film grain. The creators master the films and them (usually) leave it to community members to come up with DNR versions.
Empire was bad. I couldn’t hardly watch it. Stars wars was perfectly fine. Jedi is freaking immaculate. That was the one that really ruined the updated ones for me. I could no longer watch it. The musical changes were too much. My copy freezes and jumps a couple seconds right when they enter the robot chop shop. Star Wars skipped once too. Empire did it a couple times but who cares bc the color grading and the noisy grain are all over the place and sometimes god awful. I can deal with the minor changes in the Disney 4k release
@@robertfaulkner1824 the set I got is a 1080p blu ray set. It has the 4K77 and 4K83 but noticed it has D+80 - Empire Strikes Back for that disc. I guess it came out before they finished 4K80. So I now realize I haven’t seen the 4K80 that’s being discussed here🤪
My collection is a 4k collection so this was the only option. Jedi looks amazing. 77 is actually very faithful and I quite like the presentation and like that it looks like an older movie. Your blu is a little more smoothed than I like. I like the (surprisingly) less saturated colors on the 4k as well. Empire is probably the single worst media disc of any format I’ve seen in my life. Thank god the Disney 4k isn’t changed beyond recognition. I bought the set mainly to watch Jedi so I was happy
I think Harmy and Team Negative 1 have done amazing work on their respective projects. I have the Harmy ones on blu ray but they are older ones and only 720p. I have 4k77 and 4k83 on blu ray at 1080p with slight dnr and they look fantastic. Just waiting for a dnr version of 4k80 now.
I disagree. I downloaded the 4K projects (1080p), secured them to a large USB drive, and I actually think these are my preferred ways of watching the Original trilogy. I think the current physical media versions work for the rather overhated Prequel and Sequel trilogies (moreso Prequels, though Force Awakens was a pretty solid nostalgic trip, suck it Fandom Menace morons) and the two Star Wars Stories, but for the Originals, though I'm fine with the Special Editions, Project 4K is my go-to. It genuinely looks like an authentic 1970s/80s film, and the detail is beautiful. So I disagree... UNLESS you paid money for this shameless bootlegged copy, in which case, yeah. What a rip.
I appreciate your comment. I am always interested in hearing others' comments...good or bad. I have never been into downloading and storing movies that way. I am a person that wants a physical disc. I know I could burn a disc myself (if have the proper equipment) but always felt too much a hassle for me. I have never been fine with the Special Editions. I hate Lucas for doing that and then refusing to ever let us have the originals again. So Harmy's blurays were the option for me few years ago and I thought they looked great. When I heard about Project 4K, I just assumed they would be better. But turned out to be worse. ROTJ was the only one that I felt I wasn't watching VHS. Did your downloads of 4K look better? Like I said in video, I didn't want to review it being a bootleg, but wanted to tell people not to buy it. I'm all for the authentic film-feel. But that heavy, grainy VHS quality was too much for me. I just don't get it. I will stick with Harmy's versions for future watching.I will never watch the 4K set again. Again thanks for comment. Being a small-time RUclipsr, I don't get many comments. So always nice to hear people's thoughts.
@@screamingeekmedia The grain looks better when you download it yourself, but the amount of it depends on which version you go for. There's one with DNR and one without. The one without is intended for home projectors, but the one with is meant for TVs.
Yeah, I will always just stick with 2004 DVD as well as Harmy’s Despecialized Editions instead of this 4K UHD versions. The picture quality on those are great.
When you put them next to each other Yea that's definitely not worth picking up I have the harmy ones digitally so I guess that'll do Thanks for your reviews good sir
These are reservations by fans. And they are the films with minimum interference. The despecialised versions are an attempt to clean them up. And you shouldn't be wasting your money. Because they are free for people who own the official editions. Buying fan preservation is morally and ethically wrong.
Team Negative 1 as you said used actual film scans as a source. And Harmy builds on the official bluray with other sources including team negative 1. So your "total sh1t" is the film as it appeared in the cinema. Harmy is trying to be as close to an official release. You "it looks like crap" is based on your altered memory of the films after multiple rereleases and remastering.
@@Concreteowl I appreciate the comments. I'm not going to argue with others out that that prefer the grainy VHS quality. My thing is why bother putting these on a 4K disc with no cleanup? That's the whole purpose of 4K. Hi resolution quality of old classics. You can clean up an old classic and still retain the grain and have that filmic look without scrubbing the grain completely (as james Cameron likes to do). Again, I respect others opinions and will not argue with what they like or don't like. I made this review for those out there that are into 4K and expect the best video.
Actually this would have been how these movies appeared in theaters back in the day. They were all really grainy. Since the 4K77, 80, and 83 projects were sourced from 35mm prints that were still in good condition, they are the most accurate representation of how these movies looked in theaters. Harmy’s Despecialized editions were made up of multiple sources including the official DVD and Blu Ray releases. Both of those were heavily cleaned up by the studio. That’s why they appear so much clearer.
The point of 4K77, 80 and 83 are to bring the trilogy as close as possible to their original theatrical state, not to restore them to modern 4K standards. Harmy’s Despecialized is supposed to be an approximation of what an official restoration of the theatrical versions would be like. That’s why they look more polished than the 4K projects.
But what's the point of having advanced formats just to want something as it looked in theaters. I don't get it. You might as well throw the VHS tape back in then IMO. You can cleanup & restore a movie and still have that filmic look to it. Take classics like Jaws, Alien and The Thing...they look phenomenal on 4K! I just don't get the mentality of producing a 4K disc that looks like VHS. If you are into 4K, you want a quality picture. I just think they took a step backwards with this. But that's just me. If others like it, so be it. Not my cup of tea. This is not what I was expecting. i wanted to warn people out there that might have the Harmy versions and think this is an upgrade when it's not. Thanks for the comment. I appreciate hearing other people's views. I know my opinions vary greatly from others. LOL
@@screamingeekmedia
Yeah, I get that. These were made for a more niche audience of Star Wars fans who wanted to be able to experience the unreleased theatrical cuts in the most authentic way possible in the best resolution. It wasn’t meant to be a complete remaster, it was meant to be the way they looked at release. They are basically two different ways of trying to preserve the theatrical cuts in high resolution but in different ways. Harmy’s Despecialized is a polished, modern reconstruction. 4K77, 80 and 83 are the best possible way to view the theatrical cuts in their original presentation. If you’re looking for a version that depicts what an official restoration would be like, Harmy’s versions are for you. The 4K projects were made with a slightly different goal in mind.
There is a DNR version of the 4K projects, so if the grain really bothers you that much, you can try looking for those. It doesn’t look like the producer of the 4K Blu Ray sets used those versions. I’m not sure if you’d like them better or not, but they might be more up your alley.
@@TheOldScrapIron Thanks! I will stick with my Harmy BDs. I know grain is important for the filmic look to get that depth and details. But too much is not my cup of tea. I like a polished look while retaining some grain. It is fine line to balance to keep true purists happy and middle-of-the-road purists (like myself) happy. LOL. A great example of that line being crossed is James Cameron. Guess we all need to get out of our moms basements. LOL
You can get DNR versions of Project1977 and 1980 if you look through the forum. Not sure if there is a DNR of 1980 yet. But the other two greatly reduce the film grain. The creators master the films and them (usually) leave it to community members to come up with DNR versions.
I recently got the 4K77, 4K80, 4K83 set and I think it looks absolutely amazing. I love the film grain.🕺😎
Empire was bad. I couldn’t hardly watch it. Stars wars was perfectly fine. Jedi is freaking immaculate. That was the one that really ruined the updated ones for me. I could no longer watch it. The musical changes were too much. My copy freezes and jumps a couple seconds right when they enter the robot chop shop. Star Wars skipped once too. Empire did it a couple times but who cares bc the color grading and the noisy grain are all over the place and sometimes god awful. I can deal with the minor changes in the Disney 4k release
@@robertfaulkner1824 the set I got is a 1080p blu ray set. It has the 4K77 and 4K83 but noticed it has D+80 - Empire Strikes Back for that disc. I guess it came out before they finished 4K80. So I now realize I haven’t seen the 4K80 that’s being discussed here🤪
Thank god for laserdisc it’s still got the original versions
The laser discs are terrible.
My collection is a 4k collection so this was the only option. Jedi looks amazing. 77 is actually very faithful and I quite like the presentation and like that it looks like an older movie. Your blu is a little more smoothed than I like. I like the (surprisingly) less saturated colors on the 4k as well. Empire is probably the single worst media disc of any format I’ve seen in my life. Thank god the Disney 4k isn’t changed beyond recognition. I bought the set mainly to watch Jedi so I was happy
I think Harmy and Team Negative 1 have done amazing work on their respective projects. I have the Harmy ones on blu ray but they are older ones and only 720p. I have 4k77 and 4k83 on blu ray at 1080p with slight dnr and they look fantastic. Just waiting for a dnr version of 4k80 now.
I disagree. I downloaded the 4K projects (1080p), secured them to a large USB drive, and I actually think these are my preferred ways of watching the Original trilogy. I think the current physical media versions work for the rather overhated Prequel and Sequel trilogies (moreso Prequels, though Force Awakens was a pretty solid nostalgic trip, suck it Fandom Menace morons) and the two Star Wars Stories, but for the Originals, though I'm fine with the Special Editions, Project 4K is my go-to. It genuinely looks like an authentic 1970s/80s film, and the detail is beautiful. So I disagree...
UNLESS you paid money for this shameless bootlegged copy, in which case, yeah. What a rip.
I appreciate your comment. I am always interested in hearing others' comments...good or bad. I have never been into downloading and storing movies that way. I am a person that wants a physical disc. I know I could burn a disc myself (if have the proper equipment) but always felt too much a hassle for me. I have never been fine with the Special Editions. I hate Lucas for doing that and then refusing to ever let us have the originals again. So Harmy's blurays were the option for me few years ago and I thought they looked great. When I heard about Project 4K, I just assumed they would be better. But turned out to be worse. ROTJ was the only one that I felt I wasn't watching VHS. Did your downloads of 4K look better? Like I said in video, I didn't want to review it being a bootleg, but wanted to tell people not to buy it. I'm all for the authentic film-feel. But that heavy, grainy VHS quality was too much for me. I just don't get it. I will stick with Harmy's versions for future watching.I will never watch the 4K set again. Again thanks for comment. Being a small-time RUclipsr, I don't get many comments. So always nice to hear people's thoughts.
@@screamingeekmedia The grain looks better when you download it yourself, but the amount of it depends on which version you go for. There's one with DNR and one without. The one without is intended for home projectors, but the one with is meant for TVs.
Yeah, I will always just stick with 2004 DVD as well as Harmy’s Despecialized Editions instead of this 4K UHD versions. The picture quality on those are great.
When you put them next to each other
Yea that's definitely not worth picking up
I have the harmy ones digitally so I guess that'll do
Thanks for your reviews good sir
These are reservations by fans. And they are the films with minimum interference. The despecialised versions are an attempt to clean them up. And you shouldn't be wasting your money. Because they are free for people who own the official editions. Buying fan preservation is morally and ethically wrong.
Team Negative 1 as you said used actual film scans as a source. And Harmy builds on the official bluray with other sources including team negative 1. So your "total sh1t" is the film as it appeared in the cinema. Harmy is trying to be as close to an official release. You "it looks like crap" is based on your altered memory of the films after multiple rereleases and remastering.
@@Concreteowl I appreciate the comments. I'm not going to argue with others out that that prefer the grainy VHS quality. My thing is why bother putting these on a 4K disc with no cleanup? That's the whole purpose of 4K. Hi resolution quality of old classics. You can clean up an old classic and still retain the grain and have that filmic look without scrubbing the grain completely (as james Cameron likes to do). Again, I respect others opinions and will not argue with what they like or don't like. I made this review for those out there that are into 4K and expect the best video.